Triplicates
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I have the lowest opinion of YouTube gamers but this makes no sense. These people do not harm Nintendo's interests in any way.
He kinda acts like he should be entitled to being abled to make money from using Nintendo's content.
From a business standpoint, I understand how Joe finds this stupid, but legally and morally it's completely okay for Nintendo to not want people use their content, even it does give them free publicity.
Anyone unironically using Nintendo Defense Force isn't here to have a valid discussion about this.
The way I'm understand this, AngryJoe is Angry that Nintendo wants 100% of the ad revenue from this one video, since it's not on their list of approved games for revenue sharing, but they didn't actually take down the video.
Joe took his ball and went home by setting the video to private, even though Nintendo was fine with letting the video stay up. While that 1 video wouldn't generate revenue, it still would've generated traffic for Joe himself, feeding into his other videos and ultimately making him money.
So I don't get why he's throwing a hissy fit.
One could almost say that the Mario Party 10 would provide his channel free coverageJoe took his ball and went home by setting the video to private, even though Nintendo was fine with letting the video stay up. While that 1 video wouldn't generate revenue, it still would've generated traffic for Joe himself, feeding into his other videos and ultimately making him money.
Those are all small indie games. I wonder what the charts look like for big games that got tons of ads running everywhere.This is from a relevant GDC talk.
Video here:
http://gdcvault.com/play/1022063/How-YouTubers-and-Twitch-Streamers
And isn't that shady as shit for a developer to do?
Exactly. A lot of these people definitely put in a lot of work. Joe tends to run long videos, and does most of the post production himself with a small group.That's a very disparaging way of putting it. Angry Joe also has to manage production/editing of his video content; certainly more than "sitting on his ass playing games".
That's a very disparaging way of putting it. Angry Joe also has to manage production/editing of his video content; certainly more than "sitting on his ass playing games".
My response:
To be honest, a lot of comments here are just drive by posts and try to make fun of Joe that's unnecessary and straight up offensive. That's my only problem. It's not just one or two comments.
You know the defenders in this thread are right. News websites should not put ads on their webpage because they are making money based on not their content./s
This is from a relevant GDC talk.
Video here:
http://gdcvault.com/play/1022063/How-YouTubers-and-Twitch-Streamers
I never understood the anger over Nintendo's youtube policy. They aren't stopping you from uploading "let's play" or any Nintendo game footage; thousands of fans do it every day. It's when you decide you, solely, want to make money off those videos is when Nintendo has a problem with you. You're making a video with the primary content and attraction is content you haven't created (a video game/ trailer/ music, copyrighted content etc.) with some silly commentary added. Being generous, only half of the video is your content so what right do you have to 100% ad revenue?.
Huh? I didn't realize that IGN owns Xenoblande Chronicles, Mortal Kombat, GTA etc....
Do any of you know how news works? Fair use? anything???
You gotta wake up, Nintendo. You're so tight on your IP, that you're willing to lose the goodwill you create to protect it. Even those that don't stand to make money off of it.
How could you not be SUPER flattered that somebody spends their time showing love and passion towards your IP? It blows my mind! So while people like Notch are swimming in pools of money in part because Youtubers, you're unable to realize that it's a real thing.
What's cheaper? Not earning a small amount of money because some person made a video about your property? Or millions in marketing budget?
This is from a relevant GDC talk.
Video here:
http://gdcvault.com/play/1022063/How-YouTubers-and-Twitch-Streamers
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Look at Nintendo, that small indie studio.
I never understood the anger over Nintendo's youtube policy. They aren't stopping you from uploading "let's play" or any Nintendo game footage; thousands of fans do it every day. It's when you decide you, solely, want to make money off those videos is when Nintendo has a problem with you. You're making a video with the primary content and attraction is content you haven't created (a video game/ trailer/ music, copyrighted content etc.) with some silly commentary added. Being generous, only half of the video is your content so what right do you have to 100% ad revenue?.
This guy gets it.If Nintendo don't want his "free advertising" (if that's what we're gonna call it) for their games, then they're perfectly at liberty to tell someone to stop producing videos of their content.
This is from a relevant GDC talk.
Video here:
http://gdcvault.com/play/1022063/How-YouTubers-and-Twitch-Streamers
Lastly, to everyone in this thread, if you can't think of anything constructive to say, in response to this, then don't bother.
One could almost say that the Mario Party 10 would provide his channel free coverage
Those are all small indie games. I wonder what the charts look like for big games that got tons of ads running everywhere.
Interesting presentation. You can probably add Minecraft, Five Nights, and Broforce to the list.This is from a relevant GDC talk.
Did you really not understand what he was saying? For a console doing as poorly as the WiiU, any extra coverage or awareness could help the console. Angry Joe making a positive WiiU video for a couple million viewers is almost like spending hundreds of thousands on a TV commercial for the same size audience.
The fact that people are actually defending Nintendo's YouTube copyright bullshit is just ridiculous. Is it just corporate fanboyism at this point?
Because this is their share of the "100%" ad revenue.I never understood the anger over Nintendo's youtube policy. They aren't stopping you from uploading "let's play" or any Nintendo game footage; thousands of fans do it every day. It's when you decide you, solely, want to make money off those videos is when Nintendo has a problem with you. You're making a video with the primary content and attraction is content you haven't created (a video game/ trailer/ music, copyrighted content etc.) with some silly commentary added. Being generous, only half of the video is your content so what right do you have to 100% ad revenue?.
This is from a relevant GDC talk.
Video here:
http://gdcvault.com/play/1022063/How-YouTubers-and-Twitch-Streamers
If you don't claim ads, NIntendo will put ads and monetize them for themself... Had this happen on a couple occasions.
I like that he acts like the content he is creating does anything for Nintendo.
Look at Nintendo, that small indie studio.
Read any thread about Angry Joe on GAF... he drives quite a few people up the wall here for whatever reason... I guess he's undoing the sophisticated and gentlemanly image that gamers have tried to establish over the years, with his angry persona...
I disagree, I guess we don't know what criteria Nintendo uses for the "approval process". If it is up just profanity then that's fine, but if it's being used to filter negative publicity then I stand by my original statement.The only developer that lets people review games weeks ahead of release? No, not really. They just don't want people swearing over their family products. That was their initial concern with the Smash at Evo thing iirc.
Yeah, about the "free" advertising, I think any company would prefer to have a controlled advertising over the "free" one. He sounds so entitled.
Yeah, and the drama is not new. He's living Nintendo every 3 months. Really classy.
I never understood the anger over Nintendo's youtube policy. They aren't stopping you from uploading "let's play" or any Nintendo game footage; thousands of fans do it every day. It's when you decide you, solely, want to make money off those videos is when Nintendo has a problem with you. You're making a video with the primary content and attraction is content you haven't created (a video game/ trailer/ music, copyrighted content etc.) with some silly commentary added. Being generous, only half of the video is your content so what right do you have to 100% ad revenue?.
He did. Reason why I think he just did this to complain (rally his troops maybe? I don't know.). He could have said awhile back when they announced this "I won't be doing Nintendo games." and left it at that.Zero²;158809240 said:Never heard of him, but I'm sure he knew the risks?
So you can keep your stuff up regardless. Basically Joe is whining about not making money?
My response:
So you can keep your stuff up regardless. Basically Joe is whining about not making money?
This is from a relevant GDC talk.
Video here:
http://gdcvault.com/play/1022063/How-YouTubers-and-Twitch-Streamers
I hadn't even heard of them until Angry Joe showed me the light. Grats to him for trying to bring awareness about these plucky upstarts.
Well he made the video, edited it, devoted time that could have been spent editing, filming something else. This is the dudes only job, and he probably took a decent hit financially from the claim.
The fact this needs to be said and with a sarcasm part is the really sad part.
Youtube personalities like Angry Joe, TotalBiscuit, etc making money on talking about games and sharing their opinion on it.
Websites like Giant Bomb, Gamespot, Eurogamer, etc making money on talking about games and sharing their opinion on it.
The fact that some people in this thread are apparently "okay" with one and not the other is hypocritical.
Did you really not understand what he was saying? For a console doing as poorly as the WiiU, any extra coverage or awareness could help the console. Angry Joe making a positive WiiU video for a couple million viewers is almost like spending hundreds of thousands on a TV commercial for the same size audience.
I can't believe that this Mario Party thing got to its tenth entry before Angry Joe introduced it to me, and 1.99 million of my friends.
This Mario character sure has a bright future.
All these games are indie games, who can't afford any real marketing and don't get real coverage on gaming news sites.