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[TheChaos0]

This thread... I'm just glad it didn't explode yet.

I think there' a fine line between sexualised and kawaii (moe is a such an ugly word sometimes). Considering how much emphasis the Japanese people put on cuteness, it's not surprising to see that reflected in their various artworks.

What's sexualised? High School of the Dead? That's one blatant example of that. Etrian Odyssey? That screams more of cute galore in my mind.

What's socially "acceptable" in the East usually differs from what's socially accepted in the West. I'm not surprised that there are people who would say that almost anything in this thread is "sexualised". It might be a lack of cultural understanding kind of thing.

 

[PdotMichael]

Realistic soldiers in the modern world don't wear skirts... and regardless, by having the guys in pants and the girls in skirts they create a difference that only sexualization can explain.

No, that's "cultural awareness" that skirts are sexualized from your american-christian point of view doesn't mean that the world see it in the same way.

 

[Coxy]

Realistic soldiers in the modern world don't wear skirts... and regardless, by having the guys in pants and the girls in skirts they create a difference that only sexualization can explain.

Plus, two girls with zettai ryouiki in that shot you posted alone... and that's not even counting the various videos and such other people have linked. That video's clearly sexualized, by any definition.

Valkyria may have less sexualization than many anime-style games do, but it's certainly there.

it may have escaped your vice like grip on the facts but it's not set in the modern day

 

[Trent Strong]

Realistic soldiers in the modern world don't wear skirts... and regardless, by having the guys in pants and the girls in skirts they create a difference that only sexualization can explain.

Plus, two girls with zettai ryouiki in that shot you posted alone... and that's not even counting the various videos and such other people have linked. That video's clearly sexualized, by any definition.

Valkyria may have less sexualization than many anime-style games do, but it's certainly there.

Well, I learned a new phrase today. (And after doing a google image search, a new fetish.)

 

[Kokonoe]

No, that's "cultural awareness" that skirts are sexualized from your american-christian point of view doesn't mean that the world see it in the same way.

Cultural awareness in war? and culture or law doesn't mean correct or incorrect.

 

[A Black Falcon]

No, that's "cultural awareness" that skirts are sexualized from your american-christian point of view doesn't mean that the world see it in the same way.

Skirts are sexualized because they're a traditionally female garment, mostly. I doubt that you're being entirely serious here, but if you are... There aren't many reasons why they have skirts, and it's either for fanservice or cultural-stereotype reasons for the Japanese fans and audience. And the zettai ryouiki element has to be intentional, and is sexualization.

Also of course the characters in that game are wearing Western-style clothing, not Japanese, you know. That kind of clothing has the same meaning anywhere. But as I said, I find it hard to believe that you're being serious...

it may have escaped your vice like grip on the facts but it's not set in the modern day

You won't find any more women soldiers in miniskirts in the real WWII than you will today, so that doesn't really matter... though at least some of the bathing suits in that beach fanservice thing are actually period (the bikini is not and is a modern anachronism, the others are plausibly WWII-era).

Well, I learned a new phrase today. (And after doing a google image search, a new fetish.)

It's a modern Japanese term, obviously. Common with anime girls.

 

[zkylon]

the megaten games I've played aren't sexualized.

valkyrie profile comes to mind, also xenogears/xenosaga.

I'd love to say the suikoden games but that bitch jeane fucks it all up

I'm sure there's plenty more

 

[michaelius]

time to add burkas as standard option for female characters!

Or remove women at all from games that way feminists will be happy as there won't be any sexualized characters there

 

[PdotMichael]

Cultural awareness in war? and culture or law doesn't mean correct or incorrect.

I don't think it's a question about correct or incorrect. And VC doesn't share that many similarities with a real war.

But for example

Russian female soldiers in WWII wore also skirts. The woman is Roza Shanina, one of the most succesful Russian snipers of the war.

Or remove women at all from games that way feminists will be happy as there won't be any sexualized characters there

The problem is more that some people want only asexual characters. But the human mind can sexualize everything, the main point of "zettai ryouiki" for example is to hide skin - that's pretty insane if you think about it.

 

[Ken]

Russian female soldiers in WWII wore also skirts. The woman is Roza Shanina, one of the most succesful Russian snipers of the war.

Varrot's skirt is probably that length.

Alicia, Isara, and Rosie's skirts were made much shorter than that to make them stand out from the rest of the female cast.

 

[PdotMichael]

Varrot's skirt is probably that length.

Alicia, Isara, and Rosie's skirts were made much shorter than that to make them stand out from the rest of the female cast.

Is that sexualizing or is more like that modern fantasy armours don't look like real middle age amuors?

 

[Canis lupus]

The problem is more that some people want only asexual characters. But the human mind can sexualize everything, the main point of "zettai ryouiki" for example is to hide skin - that's pretty insane if you think about it.

The ones in VC seem to be grade A

 

[michaelius]

Varrot's skirt is probably that length.

Alicia, Isara, and Rosie's skirts were made much shorter than that to make them stand out from the rest of the female cast.

Oh no what a tragedy.

Serious case of first world problems

 

[Ken]

Oh no what a tragedy.

Serious case of first world problems

I don't have a problem with it; just pointing out that not all skirts in VC were created equally.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

It makes me glad that Japan doesn't care about the recent feminist stuff(I have nothing against feminism, but you guys know what I'm talking about) that has invaded the game industry.

 

[Valkyria]

Skirts are sexualized because they're a traditionally female garment, mostly. I doubt that you're being entirely serious here, but if you are... There aren't many reasons why they have skirts, and it's either for fanservice or cultural-stereotype reasons for the Japanese fans and audience. And the zettai ryouiki element has to be intentional, and is sexualization.

Also of course the characters in that game are wearing Western-style clothing, not Japanese, you know. That kind of clothing has the same meaning anywhere. But as I said, I find it hard to believe that you're being serious...


You won't find any more women soldiers in miniskirts in the real WWII than you will today, so that doesn't really matter... though at least some of the bathing suits in that beach fanservice thing are actually period (the bikini is not and is a modern anachronism, the others are plausibly WWII-era).


It's a modern Japanese term, obviously. Common with anime girls.

Wut? For real?

 

[Kokonoe]

Once again.

What this thread is about.

1. Which anime art styled games have 0% of fanservice/sexualization.

What this thread isn't about.

1. Individual views on what you think is appropriate or acceptable.
2. What is the main part of the game.

As long as it exists in the game, then it defeats the purpose of the thread.

 

[Ken]

Once again.

So Valkyria Chronicles doesn't count because it has more than 0% fanservice/sexualizafion.

 

[Kokonoe]

So Valkyria Chronicles doesn't count because it has more than 0% fanservice/sexualizafion.

The title is "Anime art style games with no sexualized characters?".

 

[Ken]

The title is "Anime art style games with no sexualized characters?".

I mean it doesn't answer the OP's question, as in it's not an "anime art style game with no sexualized characters."

 

[Kokonoe]

I mean it doesn't answer the OP's question, as in it's not an "anime art style game with no sexualized characters."

It doesn't. You can still suggest it, but to act like it entirely doesn't have that at all would be a lie, and the topic is about none of it at all in a game.

Either or not you like that factor or dislike that factor isn't what the thread is about, and I think people got defensive for no reason. No one was calling anyone out by creating this thread, but it turned into people throwing their views at each other without much merit at all.

 

[MrCunningham]

I've been wanting to understand the fuss about this game for a few years now.

Now it's a must play.

I would say that it is some of Hideo Kojima's best work storywise. Right up there with the first Metal Gear Solid, before his scripts started to get too convoluted for their own good. The English translation was partially done by Jeremy Blaustein, so the voice acting and English dialogue were all very well done. There were a few brief scenes cut out of the english version for sexual content (the shower scene I mentioned before), but nothing that hurt the game story in any noteworthy way.

There is an English fan translation for the Playstation version of Policenauts, but I still haven't played it. But what I have seen from playt hrough videos, Policenauts has its share of serialized female characters just like Snatcher did.

 

[PdotMichael]

The title is "Anime art style games with no sexualized characters?".

The question is pointless without a definition

Is Advance Wars 2 okay or already over the top?

 

[Femmeworth]

No, that's "cultural awareness" that skirts are sexualized from your american-christian point of view doesn't mean that the world see it in the same way.

What the crap am I reading. Shorter skirts are considered more sexual in many countries.

Edit: That said, the women in Valkyria Chronicles outside of Selvaria are not too highly sexualized.

 

[dude]

No, that's "cultural awareness" that skirts are sexualized from your american-christian point of view doesn't mean that the world see it in the same way.

WTF? What does America has to do with it? She's wearing a skirt that barely reaches her mid thighs for god's sake! How can she even run in that thing without flashing everyone?

Sure, skirts were used by soldiers, male and female, but not these sort of mini skirt that bear a strange similarity to Japanese school uniform (which are a Japanese sexual fetish in and of itself.)

 

[Ken]

What the crap am I reading. Shorter skirts are considered more sexual in many countries.

WTF? What does America has to do with it? She's wearing a skirt that barely reaches her mid thighs for god's sake! How can she even run in that thing without flashing everyone?

Sure, skirts were used by soldiers, male and female, but not these sort of mini skirt that bear a strange similarity to Japanese school uniform (which are a Japanese sexual fetish in and of itself.)

Which is why I pointed out the different skirt lengths within VC. The character designer even acknowledges that Alicia's skirt is shorter than any real life military skirt he's seen and that it serves no real military or tactical purpose aside from being cute/differentiate her from others.

 

[TheChaos0]

The question is pointless without a definition

Pretty much. You can get a fair amount of games or none at all, if you nit pick enough.

 

[StayDead]

Super Robot Wars
Most other mech stuff
Kid Icarus Uprising
Layton vs Ace Attorney
Bravely Default
Wario Land 1-4
Chibi Robo
Sayonara Umihara Kawase
Cave Story

 

[Ken]

Super Robot Wars

Maybe the older games.

 

[dude]

The question is pointless without a definition



Is Advance Wars 2 okay or already over the top?

Is you question whether this character is sexualized? It is, very much - It's an attractive girl in clothes that were very much designed to show that off as much as possible, and the poses make it very clear how sexual she is - Pelvis thrusted forward and such.

Now, just to be clear, sexualized characters are not inherently bad, some people are highly sexualized and it makes sense for some characters to be - It's when the sexualization of women is done systematically and seem to be a natural occurrence in the world regardless of personality and other factors that it's a problem. In this case, I don't know the character but there's no question about whether she was designed to appear sexual.

 

[michaelius]

Is Advance Wars 2 okay or already over the top?

No power armor covering her from foots to top of head - sorry sexualized

 

[Valkyria]

Is you question whether this character is sexualized? It is, very much - It's an attractive girl in clothes that were very much designed to show that off as much as possible, and the poses make it very clear how sexual she is - Pelvis thrusted forward and such.

Now, just to be clear, sexualized characters are not inherently bad, some people are highly sexualized and it makes sense for some characters to be - It's when the sexualization of women is done systematically and seem to be a natural occurrence in the world regardless of personality and other factors that it's a problem. In this case, I don't know the character but there's no question about whether she was designed to appear sexual.

Really? I think some of you are just projecting your personal believes into this. I see no trace of sexuality in that image.

 

[L.O.R.D]

 

[dude]

Really? I think some of you are just projecting your personal believes into this. I see no trace of sexuality in that image.

Imagine a real women dressed like that and standing like that. C'mon, that tank top is more like a sports-bra.
And again, maybe that design makes sense for this character, but this character has a very extrovert sexuality. This is a pretty much objective observation.

 

[Valkyria]

Imagine a real women dressed like that and standing like that. C'mon, that tank top is more like a sports-bra.
And again, maybe that design makes sense for this character, but this character has a very extrovert sexuality.

Man you would be fapping the whole day in summer in my country.

 

[L.O.R.D]

i dare you

 

[dude]

Man you would be fapping the whole day in summer in my country.

I live in Tel Aviv, some people here dress in less the whole year round (we get more than 300 sunny days a year.)

Listen, I'm not going to make this particular character into a big deal because it's not the worst offender and the it's less relevant in that particular genre. But I'm talking about the principle - This character is sexualized, both in pose and in design (look for example how pronounced her ass is even though she's wearing loose army pants). If a woman chooses to dress like that, she is showing off her sexuality. Again, this is not bad in and of itself - The problem is that we accept that for most of the women in games regardless of whether it makes sense or indicates anything of the character. You can turn a blind eye to this, but then you're just helping the problem. The first step is admitting that this particular design is sexual (whether needlessly or not I can't say.)

 

[M3d10n]

Only female characters can be sexy. Gotcha.

Of course, good looking male characters are power fantasies. Always. Even Vaan.

 

[PdotMichael]

Is you question whether this character is sexualized? It is, very much - It's an attractive girl in clothes that were very much designed to show that off as much as possible, and the poses make it very clear how sexual she is - Pelvis thrusted forward and such.

Now, just to be clear, sexualized characters are not inherently bad, some people are highly sexualized and it makes sense for some characters to be - It's when the sexualization of women is done systematically and seem to be a natural occurrence in the world regardless of personality and other factors that it's a problem. In this case, I don't know the character but there's no question about whether she was designed to appear sexual.

Well, I think that's missing the point of the thread though. Sure, she is supposed to be cute but it's really what you would call "sexualization".

Faith is often an example of a good non-sexualized female character but she is pretty "sexy" in a similiar way in pretty much all official artworks.

 

[Frodo]

Legend of Zelda, easy.

Great Fairy?

 

[dude]

Well, I think that's missing the point of the thread though. Sure, she is supposed to be cute but it's really what you would call "sexualization".



Faith is often an example of a good non-sexualized female character but she is pretty "sexy" in a similiar way in pretty much all official artworks.

Faith is pretty in a non over-sexualized way because the way she dresses makes sense for what she does and who she is, as a bonus not all the women in Mirror's Edge dress in a sexual way. Again, I didn't play Advance Wars save for a couple of matches so I added the disclaimer that it could make sense for the character.

If you want another disclaimer - This problem is far from being exclusive to Japanese or Anime-styled games, they're just frequent offenders.

 

[Femmeworth]

Of course, good looking male characters are power fantasies. Always. Even Vaan.

Point me to someone who has said Vaan is a power fantasy.

 

[Conor 419]

Tales Series is good for this iirc

 

[Tizoc]

Megaman Legends comes to mind when I think of what the OP is asking about, at least the 1st game.

 

[M3d10n]

Point me to someone who has said Vaan is a power fantasy.

Do not underestimate Japan.

 

[BY2K]

Faith is often an example of a good non-sexualized female character but she is pretty "sexy" in a similiar way in pretty much all official artworks.

Didn't they changed her design on the cover in Japan to give her bigger eyes and boobs?

 

[dude]

Megaman Legends comes to mind when I think of what the OP is asking about, at least the 1st game.

Just googled some of the designs - And really?

 

[Femmeworth]

Do not underestimate Japan.

After making my post, I started to ponder if Gackt is empowering to Japanese men.

 

[L.O.R.D]

Just googled some of the designs - And really?

its a fan art
ever heard of some rule in 34 ?

 

[dude]

its a fan art
ever heard of some rule in 34 ?

My bad then, didn't play the game and it looked rather polished for a fan art. Have any official art for a counter point? because none of the google images I found were significantly less sexual (even for the other female characters.)