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"Anonymous" Vs Scientology : FIGHT

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laserbeam

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vertopci said:
Wow...just wow :lol
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That Video and Many more like it can all be seen at www.xenutv.com

Some amazingly scary videos of just how scary Those Scientology guys are. The really big freaks are at all the Protest videos from Clearwater Florida at the Ft Harrison where McPherson was murdered.
 
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DECK'ARD

The Amiga Brotherhood
Nearly all the Scientology sites are down! France is the only one standing.

My Mac is doing it's bit, I like the retro OS9 look to the app:

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DECK'ARD

The Amiga Brotherhood
Karakand said:
Ironic.
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I thought that too :)

Hopefully it will fall soon. While the sites are down they can't be selling books or tacky jewellery.

As Tesco says, every little helps.
 
K

kaizoku

I'm not as deluded as I make myself out to be
Nash said:
In fairness to them there is meant to be a lot more coming:

4.1 Section 0: Good ol' DDos
4.1.1 DDoS Protection: Prolexic
4.2 Section 1: Phone and Fax
4.3 Section 2: Anti-propaganda
4.3.1 Secret Scientology Documents
4.3.2 Press Work and Media Attention
4.3.3 Digg, Reddit, and Internet News
4.3.4 YouTube Bump
4.4 Section 3: Neutralize threats to the raid
4.4.1 Spam their info-leak drop-boxes!
4.5 Section 4: IRL Raids
4.5.1 Arguing with Scientologists during raids
4.6 Section 5: Deconversion of Current Scientologists
4.7 Section 6: Snail Mail Bouncing

And the internet is actually a good weapon against Scientology, because information is their greatest enemy. What better way of delivering that information than a medium that cannot be easily censored?
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I couldnt tell if you were joking or not until your little sentence at the end. Information on the web will do nothing, you can find all kinds of information on all kinds of things, unlimited amounts. All that adds up to is a largely unreliable source, one that people simply dip in and out of.

You can spread as much anti-hubbard propoganda as you like, you may be powerful enough to cause some kind of online sensation, but even the effects of that would be minimal. the rest of the nuisances are just that, annoying little bugs.

I fear these guys the same way I fear the thugs eyeing up my wallet. They might seem cool to their peers, if not fucking awesome - but will they make a real impact in the adult world? Not like this.

as amazingly intelligent as they may be, at the end of the day they're probably unemployed/students with the luxury of parents looking after them. the real geniuses work for places like google, microsoft, ibm or credit card companies etc.

and the real badass guys dont show off or behave with such arrogance.

bottom line: you cant bring down a religion, the only thing that can destroy a religion is replacing it with one which is perceived to be better. as proven by history - even massacres do not destroy religions.
 
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tokkun

Member
Nash said:
Nearly all the Scientology sites are down! France is the only one standing.

My Mac is doing it's bit, I like the retro OS9 look to the app:

[.IMG]http://i30.tinypic.com/24euxro.jpg[/IMG]
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So are you doing anything to hide your IP from the Scientology servers? That screenshot seems to indicate that you're committing a crime, and Scientology is well-known for its litigiousness.
 
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DECK'ARD

The Amiga Brotherhood
kaizoku said:
I couldnt tell if you were joking or not until your little sentence at the end. Information on the web will do nothing, you can find all kinds of information on all kinds of things, unlimited amounts. All that adds up to is a largely unreliable source, one that people simply dip in and out of.

You can spread as much anti-hubbard propoganda as you like, you may be powerful enough to cause some kind of online sensation, but even the effects of that would be minimal. the rest of the nuisances are just that, annoying little bugs.

I fear these guys the same way I fear the thugs eyeing up my wallet. They might seem cool to their peers, if not fucking awesome - but will they make a real impact in the adult world? Not like this.

as amazingly intelligent as they may be, at the end of the day they're probably unemployed/students with the luxury of parents looking after them. the real geniuses work for places like google, microsoft, ibm or credit card companies etc.

and the real badass guys dont show off or behave with such arrogance.

bottom line: you cant bring down a religion, the only thing that can destroy a religion is replacing it with one which is perceived to be better. as proven by history - even massacres do not destroy religions.
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Religion is replaced by knowledge.

And as futile as you may think their actions may be, I still think it's a more productive use of their time than making pedobear cartoons.
 
Eteric Rice

Eteric Rice

Member
kaizoku said:
I couldnt tell if you were joking or not until your little sentence at the end. Information on the web will do nothing, you can find all kinds of information on all kinds of things, unlimited amounts. All that adds up to is a largely unreliable source, one that people simply dip in and out of.

You can spread as much anti-hubbard propoganda as you like, you may be powerful enough to cause some kind of online sensation, but even the effects of that would be minimal. the rest of the nuisances are just that, annoying little bugs.

I fear these guys the same way I fear the thugs eyeing up my wallet. They might seem cool to their peers, if not fucking awesome - but will they make a real impact in the adult world? Not like this.

as amazingly intelligent as they may be, at the end of the day they're probably unemployed/students with the luxury of parents looking after them. the real geniuses work for places like google, microsoft, ibm or credit card companies etc.

and the real badass guys dont show off or behave with such arrogance.

bottom line: you cant bring down a religion, the only thing that can destroy a religion is replacing it with one which is perceived to be better. as proven by history - even massacres do not destroy religions.
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Well, they are taking it outside of the internet, trying to make people more aware of Scio's crimes.

Enough people do something like that, and it can have a bad effect.

Also, Anonymous is getting media attention for this stunt, bringing attention to themselves, while at the same time, at Scientology.

And when people ask why they're doing this, they may stumble on to the correct information.
 
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DECK'ARD

The Amiga Brotherhood
tokkun said:
So are you doing anything to hide your IP from the Scientology servers? That screenshot seems to indicate that you're committing a crime, and Scientology is well-known for its litigiousness.
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Well they are going to be in for a busy time over the next few weeks then!
 
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Chrono

Banned
speculawyer said:
Why don't they take on some other whacky religions?

Like religions that encourage suicide bombings or religious that have clergy screwing young kids?
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Because they'd get their ass kicked. :lol
 
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Ether_Snake

安安安安安安安安安安安安安安安
Religion can't be eliminated, only replaced?

Secularism and Atheism sure wasn't as popular 100 years ago!
 
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Fuzzery

Member
Nash said:
Religion is replaced by knowledge.

And as futile as you may think their actions may be, I still think it's a more productive use of their time than making pedobear cartoons.
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WRONG

Most of the funnies on the internets originate from 4chan
 
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tokkun

Member
Eteric Rice said:
Well, they are taking it outside of the internet, trying to make people more aware of Scio's crimes.

Enough people do something like that, and it can have a bad effect.

Also, Anonymous is getting media attention for this stunt, bringing attention to themselves, while at the same time, at Scientology.

And when people ask why they're doing this, they may stumble on to the correct information.
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You don't have to be that savvy to spin this to Scientology's advantage. The DDoS attacks can be seen as someone trying to squash a specific religion's freedom of speech. Scientology will characterize Anon as a terrorist group to the media and may point out that Anon's roots are in message boards known for child pornography and pervasive racism. The South Park episode was a far more effective utilization of the media than this will be.
 
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DECK'ARD

The Amiga Brotherhood
tokkun said:
You don't have to be that savvy to spin this to Scientology's advantage. The DDoS attacks can be seen as someone trying to squash a specific religion's freedom of speech. Scientology will characterize Anon as a terrorist group to the media and may point out that Anon's roots are in message boards known for child pornography and pervasive racism. The South Park episode was a far more effective utilization of the media than this will be.
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South Park just prompted a "How can they believe that rubbish!" response.

By using YouTube and the internet people are discovering all the other leaks/documentaries/exposures on Scientology, the shady way it operates, and whether it should even be considered a religion in the first place when it has such a cult like effect on it's followers. Just look at the reaction of people who have stumbled across things in this thread.

The more attention Scientology draw to what is going on, the more people will seek it out on the internet. Who is instigating it will have less impact than what people find out about Scientology in the process in my opinion.
 
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Souldriver

Member
Nash said:
South Park just prompted a "How can they believe that rubbish!" response.

By using YouTube and the internet people are discovering all the other leaks/documentaries/exposures on Scientology, the shady way it operates, and whether it should even be considered a religion in the first place. Just look at the people stumbling across things in this thread.

The more attention Scientology draw to what is going on, the more people will seek it out on the internet. Who is instigating it will have less impact than what people find out about the organisation in the process in my opinion.
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That's one way of looking at it. But there are always some people who are "searching for spirituality", and because of all this media attention, the Church of Scientology becomes an option on their list. So they buy some books from Scientology (the ones made by the Church themselves), et voila, they get a new follower.

So it's two sides of the same coin. On one hand the media attention shows how ridiculous and dangerous the sect is, but on the other hand it gives them the opportunity to be noticed by people who search for religion.
 
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Crow

Member
Souldriver said:
That's one way of looking at it. But there are always some people who are "searching for spirituality", and because of all this media attention, the Church of Scientology becomes an option on their list. So they buy some books from Scientology (the ones made by the Church themselves), et voila, they get a new follower.

So it's two sides of the same coin. On one hand the media attention shows how ridiculous and dangerous the sect is, but on the other hand it gives them the opportunity to be noticed by people who search for religion.
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Scientology, due to the growing number of high profile celebrities that practice it, is ever more prominent in media anyway. These people who you say are searching for religion, are inevitably going to encounter Scientology anyway. I'd rather they be introduced to it by those who oppose it then those who promote it.
 
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ZealousD

Makes world leading predictions like "The sun will rise tomorrow"
tokkun said:
and may point out that Anon's roots are in message boards known for child pornography and pervasive racism
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I doubt that the media would care to do that much research on the matter.
 
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Onemic

Member
kaizoku said:
I couldnt tell if you were joking or not until your little sentence at the end. Information on the web will do nothing, you can find all kinds of information on all kinds of things, unlimited amounts. All that adds up to is a largely unreliable source, one that people simply dip in and out of.

You can spread as much anti-hubbard propoganda as you like, you may be powerful enough to cause some kind of online sensation, but even the effects of that would be minimal. the rest of the nuisances are just that, annoying little bugs.

I fear these guys the same way I fear the thugs eyeing up my wallet. They might seem cool to their peers, if not fucking awesome - but will they make a real impact in the adult world? Not like this.

as amazingly intelligent as they may be, at the end of the day they're probably unemployed/students with the luxury of parents looking after them. the real geniuses work for places like google, microsoft, ibm or credit card companies etc.

and the real badass guys dont show off or behave with such arrogance.

bottom line: you cant bring down a religion, the only thing that can destroy a religion is replacing it with one which is perceived to be better. as proven by history - even massacres do not destroy religions.
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Oh noes. We have another scientologist! Burn him!
 
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Dwayne

Member
kaizoku said:
bottom line: you cant bring down a religion, the only thing that can destroy a religion is replacing it with one which is perceived to be better. as proven by history - even massacres do not destroy religions.
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Heaven's Gate.

(i win the internet)
 
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Fusebox

Banned
Crow said:
These people who you say are searching for religion, are inevitably going to encounter Scientology anyway. I'd rather they be introduced to it by those who oppose it then those who promote it.
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Great sentiment, and well worded too.
 
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RevenantKioku

PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS oh god i am drowning in them
I was going to say something of note, but when I realized Scientology is already in my spell checker, I was just scared.
 
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Cymbal Head

Banned
Hellsing321 said:
Jesus christ! Scios are crazy as fuck.
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HOLY. SHIT.

I knew the CoS was involved in some creepy shit, but just wow. I feel sorry for that poor BBC crew. I'm impressed the reporter was able to keep from just slugging the guy by the end of the episode.
 
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super funk

Member
This is cool. How can I support this terrorist organization, and I mean that in the good way.

Has this actually been getting any reponse or attention from anyplace outside of interweb message boards?
 
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Particle Physicist

between a quark and a baryon
super funk said:
This is cool. How can I support this terrorist organization, and I mean that in the good way.

Has this actually been getting any reponse or attention from anyplace outside of interweb message boards?
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its been on the news.
 
Eteric Rice

Eteric Rice

Member
super funk said:
This is cool. How can I support this terrorist organization, and I mean that in the good way.

Has this actually been getting any reponse or attention from anyplace outside of interweb message boards?
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On the news.

If they keep it up, they could stir up some crazy shit.
 
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super funk

Member
Eteric Rice said:
On the news.

If they keep it up, they could stir up some crazy shit.
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I hope that is the case. I dont know much about these anonymous people, but it seems to me that they can do some funny stuff as long as their attention span keeps up.

Thanks for posting the videos. So it does seem that they are getting some pretty good attention at this point. Now they just need to keep it up.
 
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Youta Mottenai

Member
Eteric Rice said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPol_m8wm8Y&feature=related

Scary.
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Nash said:
The infamous BBC Panorama episode about Scientology should be posted in this thread as well:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...162&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

That shows the madness and character assassination techniques spread all the way up the organisation, and not just the crazy followers. Tommy is a true character ;)
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Holly hell! Scary is an understatement! If these are the things they do publicly, I fear to imagine what they´re able to do behind the curtains.
 
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dem

Member
There are three orders of Scientologists.

The third order is the believer. They are the followers, the quiet believers, the ones on whom the Church relies on for its income. While they are indeed foolish or susceptible to trickery, they are not to be hated. They are to be pitied, and to be saved. Our mission is to free them from the shackles of their blindness. They are but the lambs gone astray; in the promises of Scientology, they have sought a new and improved life. They are being lured over the dark precipice, and we must rescue them from that brink before they cross it and fall into darkness forever.

The second order is the zealot. They are the spokespeople, the loud, abrasive megaphones through which the siren song of this cult blares. This is both the celebrity figureheads of the group, and its middle-lower management. They are to be fought, but with measured restraint. While active agents of this monstrous mockery of faith, they too are believers at heart. They must be defeated, but shown the light as well. For most in this category, there is hope, and we must not forsake them; there is still a chance they may see truth through unclouded eyes once more.

The first order is the overseer. They are the masterminds, the silent power structure through which their second order acts. These are the madmen on ocean yacht, the proud financiers of mercenary legal teams, and the shrewd conspirators whose pockets are lined with the spoils of the Church’s lies. While the zealots shall be the ones we face upon the battlefield, they are but pawns of this highest division of vile swine. We must defeat their front ranks of brainwashed pawns, but when at least reach these foes; we must cut them down without mercy.

It is to the first order I address the second part of this short treatise.

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You are scum. You are the lowest of the low. Whether or not you believe an inkling of the impossible nonsense you trot out to masquerade as a religion, you are still guilty of the willing and knowing destruction of countless lives. You are charlatans of the highest order, and must be stopped in the name of reason, justice, honesty, and every other basic human virtue. You have committed innumerable treacheries against your fellow man; in the following text, I shall list the themes of your deplorable actions. Some shall seem similar, and many shall overlap, but each is an independent crime I directly and openly levy against you.

One. You charge exorbitant sums of money for what you claim is enlightenment. All texts and practices associated with gaining a greater understanding of your belief system require ludicrous sums of cash. Your entire Church’s structure is designed to ensnare those who invest in attempting to progress in the faith you promise them, and continue to drain them of money. Your greed is clearly evidenced in the carrot-and-stick methodology of cementing the faith of your constituency. The further ones gets, the more one has been coerced into spending, and will go on spending so as not to lose face. What you claim is a hierarchy of faith is but a thinly veiled pyramid scheme to those who are not clouded in judgment by your lies.

Two. You attempt to dominate the lives of your followers at all costs. You denounce accepted medicine, psychology, and common sense as basic tenets of your Church. While you claim openness to other faiths, your dogma not only is starkly in contrast to that of other common faiths, but directly denounces them as fabrications meant only to distract and deter people from your twisted version of “the truth”. Mainstream religions act as a support system for its followers, not a guiding life force. While guidelines for living life are set forth and you may be judged for your actions, people are free to live life as they pleased. They are not egged on to rise in meaning “levels” of faith for a false sense of satisfaction for going so deep into your sick maze.

Three. You prey incessantly on your every opponent and have openly declared your desire for their total destruction. A true faith would attempt simply to attract followers; what you have chosen is an onslaught on so-called “heretics” reserved for, in mainstream religions, militant radicals and past atrocities. The ferocity of your hatred for non-believers, or even your conscientious and peaceful dissenters, finds parallel only in gun-toting fundamentalists and the Spanish Inquisition. Where commonly accepted religions just shun their detractors, you openly attempt to silence them. The upkeep of your illusions requires the constant limiting of free speech, which is counter to the aims of a rational and progressive world. There are both livelihood and lives undone by your work, and you must be punished for your errant destruction.

Four. You refuse to disclose the direct beliefs of your Church. Be it motivated by either greed or shame, you intentionally repress what you claim are the keys to happiness. There are numerous divisions and departments in your organization devoted to handling funds, acting more like the part of a corporation than a part of a religious institution. This fact alone is enough illustrates your inherent depravity. Any person who is truly aiming for the advancement of mankind would never dare demand a fee, as you do. Even those who you connive into throwing their money and their lives away in your name are not privy to much of your core information.

Five. You preach and exert a level of hubris that is repulsive to any person who truly knows your ways. You promise your faithful the power to become like gods, and to gain unachievable degrees of control over their lives. On the backs of your deceived masses, you craft your iron-clad walls and slowly lose sight of the sun of reality; you begin to acclimate to the darkness of your own mania. You flaunt the laws of countries across the globe, strong-arming your way through court systems with your ill-gotten gains, trying to infiltrate the world of the rational day by day. And your head figure, the corpse of a science fiction huckster, which you have made to dance like some macabre puppet, has become the ultimate idol for the ultimate coven of idolaters.

Six. You tried to hide your guilt on all these pre-existing counts behind a mantle of faith. Your spineless self-defense knows no bounds of decency or morality; you seek every refuge you can, like a bubonic rat desperate not to drown in the brig of a transatlantic ship. The use of faith as a catch-all, combined with your calculated skulking in the world’s system of laws, has led you to assume your total protection from the judgment of the common man. As such, you have grown more diabolical with every passing minute, ever devolving into a more base caricature of the world as it is. But you are wrong, and the voice of the public can still make even your fortifications crumble.

This is it. These are the final days of your sham. The people you have enslaved shall be freed, your attack dogs shall be silenced, and your entire establishment shall be unraveled. You cannot prevent this; you cannot deter this. Money or luxuries will not sway us. We are not motivated by a personal or secondary goal. Our aim is your destruction, in the name of the good of all people on this earth. Our assault has only begun, and shall not cease until your Church is no more. Our efforts will ebb and flow, but our persistence will be as reliable as the tides.

Your time is up.

Welcome to your end.
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It all sounds very dramatic
 
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