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[HMD]

First post in GAF since the great migration.

I see N-words and ridiculous comments that wouldn't fly even on reddit. I understand wanting free expression, and wanting to differentiate yourself from Era. I do think Era is a bit over-moderated especially on certain topics such as trans issues, but at least you can expect to have reasonable discussion that you could maybe associate your real name with (if you were an industry insider) without tarnishing your image.

 

[molnizzle]

So you have zero evidence and are making a baseless accusation. Funny you would call him a garbage person as I would think someone who makes baseless accusations of racism/sexism/transphobia/alt-right are much worse. But that may just be me. Peace

Baseless accusation? No. Quick assumption informed by prior engagement with the topic in question? Yes.

 

[NickFire]

How long has ERA been down?

Most of them started feeling down in November 2016.

 

[molnizzle]

How long has ERA been down?

Over 24 hours now.

 

[Malakhov]

If you can have a discussion without being triggered by people who stand on the other side of the fence than you, you're welcome. If not, go back to resetera, please.

This place is finally back to the way it was before these social justice warriors infected it, I would hate for it to happen again.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Baseless accusation? No. Assumption informed by prior engagement with the topic in question? Yes.

"...a clearly alt-right/garbage human...."

That is a baseless accusation. You have no evidence to show that the person is alt-right or garbage, just that he has an opinion that you do not share. You then attribute that opinion to being "alt-right/garbage", despite many left leaning, centrist, and right-leaning folks also having similar sentiments in regards to safe spaces/triggers. Honestly, it feels more like you are projecting your own failures onto someone else.

 

[His Majesty]

What's the ratio of anime avatars to normal people on this forum?

 

[Guiberu]

I still really like this video on the whole matter.

 

[molnizzle]

"...a clearly alt-right/garbage human...."

That is a baseless accusation. You have no evidence to show that the person is alt-right or garbage, just that he has an opinion that you do not share. You then attribute that opinion to being "alt-right/garbage", despite many left leaning, centrist, and right-leaning folks also having similar sentiments in regards to safe spaces/triggers. Honestly, it feels more like you are projecting your own failures onto someone else.

I do believe the "clearly" there indicated that it was a quick assumption on my part, but in any case, you're arguing semantics here.

 

[Leenbzoold]

For a short while i was entertaining the idea to try to get as many temporary bans on resetera as possible and to view them as some sort of trophy.
But then i decided that that's dumb and that i would attempt to be a regular poster over there.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

I think the issue with the CDPR tweet in particular was that it wasn't the first time it happened. The first time many did give them the benefit of the doubt. The second time as well, though more people were starting to be suspicious. The most recent tweet was the "third strike" for many though, which is totally understandable to me. Especially if you're a trans person.

I do get that. But I also think all the tweets were just of the "edgelord" variety. I also get why they're upsetting to trans people. I just don't think there's anything wrong with someone saying that they just thought it was in poor taste, but not intentionally hateful and that they'll still buy the game.

That's not telling trans people they shouldn't be offended or dismissing their concerns. It's just someone stating their take on the tweet/company. People aren't going to be your "ally" in every case, especially with the extremism shown in some of the "outrage threads."

Expecting that, much less banning people for posting simple takes on things like that, isn't going to make allies. If anything it loses allies as people not at the extremes get put off by extremism. Ban the bigots and accept that not everyone is going to agree on everything that's perceived as racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic outside of outright bigoted statements. That or just stop being a site saying it's for "Everyone" and brand it clearly as a site catered primarily to marginalized groups and their activist allies and hopefully have some of the pure gaming stuff move back here or elsewhere that's not such an activist community.

Doesn't have to be one or the other! I voted for George W. Bush in 2004, right before I joined the U.S. Army. I was as conservative as they came. My views gradually shifted as I read more and more evidence proving my views incorrect (right here on GAF, of all places). Even if the poster being replied to never backs down, that doesn't mean the reply will have no effect on the potentially thousands of different individuals who will see it. All of it matters to a varying degree.

Fair enough. In any case, I put in my keyboard warrior time in my teens and 20s. Mid 30s on I'm done with that shit and focused on me and mine aside from voting left and donating some money here and there.

 

[K' Dash]

Moderation on ERA is a mess, I just avoid anything not videogame related.

It is tiring when there are ridiculous outrage threads posted every day.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

How long has ERA been down?

It was down or 10ish hours yesterday to do the update. Was back up presumably overnight from when they tweeted it was live (I was asleep). Was working well this morning then started having issues and has been down again for a few hours.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

First post in GAF since the great migration.

I see N-words and ridiculous comments that wouldn't fly even on reddit. I understand wanting free expression, and wanting to differentiate yourself from Era. I do think Era is a bit over-moderated especially on certain topics such as trans issues, but at least you can expect to have reasonable discussion that you could maybe associate your real name with (if you were an industry insider) without tarnishing your image.

Can you give examples. Also did you report it.

 

[BANGS]

Can you give examples. Also did you report it.

He didn't see shit...

 

[Mochilador]

Moderation on ERA is a mess, I just avoid anything not videogame related.

It is tiring when there are ridiculous outrage threads posted every day.

That's why I left that place. People going apeshit over everything.

 

[JokerMM]

i am convinced most moderators and a large portion of users in that site are transgenders

 

[molnizzle]

Moderation on ERA is a mess, I just avoid anything not videogame related.

It is tiring when there are ridiculous outrage threads posted every day.

I agree that they can be a bit overzealous. But at the end of the day, you still need do something pretty fucked up to get perma'd. Even if I see someone banned for something that I don't think deserved it, it's usually just a few days or a week. That's whatever.

i am convinced most moderators and a large portion of users in that site are transgenders

Well the mods there don't tolerate active hostility towards trans people, so it makes sense that there would be more of a trans community there than on GAF.

 

[Interfectum]

That's why I left that place. People going apeshit over everything.

There are at least 2-3 outrages per day on Era but you eventually get numb to it and ignore those threads.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

Moderation on ERA is a mess, I just avoid anything not videogame related.

It is tiring when there are ridiculous outrage threads posted every day.

The ratio of gaming threads to outrage threads has gotten a lot better at least--though it still ebbs and flows. Though I haven't been around here much the past couple of months, I was on a lot summer/early fall and this site was about the same. There'd generally be a parallel "outrage" thread here, it just often skewed more to the other side of the debate. i.e. Resetera took Jessica Price's side, thread here was mostly people glad she and her defender were fired, the threads about why women care about sexualized designs were mostly people bashing them there and defending them here and so on. Neither 100% stances of course, just the way the discussions skewed. Main, and crucial, difference being "opposing" opinions here (outright bigotry/sexism aside) don't get bans here.


Anyway, at least there's a built in ignore thread feature now to hide that shit. I used a user scrip on PC to hide them before, but that did no good on mobile. So nice to have an account level feature to keep shit hidden across platforms. EviLore should enable that feature here. If nothing else, it's great for reducing clutter and hiding threads you don't care about that stay on the front page for ever and make it harder to find the less popular threads that do interest you.

 

[HMD]

Can you give examples. Also did you report it.

He didn't see shit...

It's literally in this very thread.

Whites say nigga all the time and nobody cares except people who are "woke".

 

[dionysus]

I agree that they can be a bit overzealous. But at the end of the day, you still need do something pretty fucked up to get perma'd. Even if I see someone banned for something that I don't think deserved it, it's usually just a few days or a week. That's whatever.


Well the mods there don't tolerate active hostility towards trans people, so it makes sense that there would be more of a trans community there than on GAF.

You have to check back after a review. On Era the original ban can never be a perma, as it has to undergo a review from multiple mods. I think the max without review is a week or something. It really seems like a large majority of them get upgraded, especially if the ban is around race or gender.

 

[BANGS]

But at the end of the day, you still need do something pretty fucked up to get perma'd.

No, no you don't...

It's literally in this very thread.

That's... nothing like what you described...

 

[Guiberu]

Well the mods there don't tolerate active hostility towards trans people, so it makes sense that there would be more of a trans community there than on GAF.

Could you define this? For Science.

 

[12Goblins]

I feel like resetera is just the younger generation of neogaf who wanted to split up with their parents and establish their own identity. right now the way their moderation works its absolutely insane and unsustainable but I feel like they will grow and change into something with a more coherent ideology. In the meantime I feel like a lot of users will slowly migrate to here as they figure out how unintellectual that community is, and focus more on peoples feelings etc. , that will drive out a lot of science driven folks

 

[K' Dash]

I agree that they can be a bit overzealous. But at the end of the day, you still need do something pretty fucked up to get perma'd. Even if I see someone banned for something that I don't think deserved it, it's usually just a few days or a week. That's whatever.


Well the mods there don't tolerate active hostility towards trans people, so it makes sense that there would be more of a trans community there than on GAF.

What use is a discussion board if I can't discuss my opinion on a civil and polite manner? If you all have to agree on a topic, what good can come from it?

Anytying not pure video game topic is over moderated.

 

[Nelsin]

First post in GAF since the great migration.

I see N-words and ridiculous comments that wouldn't fly even on reddit. I understand wanting free expression, and wanting to differentiate yourself from Era. I do think Era is a bit over-moderated especially on certain topics such as trans issues, but at least you can expect to have reasonable discussion that you could maybe associate your real name with (if you were an industry insider) without tarnishing your image.

If you see something reported I pretty sure even moderators here won't allow the N word and such.

 

[BANGS]

It's literally in this very thread.

I feel like resetera is just the younger generation of neogaf who wanted to split up with their parents and establish their own identity. right now the way their moderation works its absolutely insane and unsustainable but I feel like they will grow and change into something with a more coherent ideology. In the meantime I feel like a lot of users will slowly migrate to here as they figure out how unintellectual that community is, and focus more on peoples feelings etc. , that will drive out a lot of science driven folks

No, they'll implode just like they did here...

 

[LordRaptor]

I agree that they can be a bit overzealous. But at the end of the day, you still need do something pretty fucked up to get perma'd. Even if I see someone banned for something that I don't think deserved it, it's usually just a few days or a week. That's whatever.

thats partially because the mods now hide permanent bans behind "duration pendings" so people don't notice people being permanently banned for things that are bullshit.

 

[JordanN]

First post in GAF since the great migration.

I see N-words and ridiculous comments that wouldn't fly even on reddit. I understand wanting free expression, and wanting to differentiate yourself from Era. I do think Era is a bit over-moderated especially on certain topics such as trans issues, but at least you can expect to have reasonable discussion that you could maybe associate your real name with (if you were an industry insider) without tarnishing your image.

I hope you know your own moderators are racist.

 

[Reckheim]

I hope you know your own moderators are racist.

context is a thing.

 

[Cunth]

Gotta think about in the context of white patriarchy. Racism = prejudice and jelly

 

[molnizzle]

Could you define this? For Science.

The very poster I was replying to. States they are convinced "most moderators and a large portion of users in that site are transgenders," after first stating "i'd rather cut both my balls off than go back to Resetera tbh. fuck that POS echo chamber "

No hostility towards trans people there!

What use is a discussion board if I can't discuss my opinion on a civil and polite manner? If you all have to agree on a topic, what good can come from it?

Anytying not pure video game topic is over moderated.

Keeping things "civil and polite" is how we perpetuate the status quo. Bad actors have been using that to their advantage for years now.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

It's literally in this very thread.

That’s ban worthy? On Reddit? Which subreddit?

Personally, I think the only places this would be ban worthy is Neogaf pre Nov 2017 and current Resetera (based on whats been posted in Off Site thread. Outside of that, it's not a huge offense to say the N word is used by people (not Black) and isn't meant with outrage usually.

I don't think saying this will get discipline from even Twitter.

But if this is an issue for you, respond and say so to them. If you want to argue it out, then do so. Or move on to other threads.

I got to be honest tho. This isn't some kind of offense or TOS violation. If you can't handle that then at least you know this site isn't for you.

Whichever you decide, best of luck to you.

 

[dorkimoe]

My 11 year old account is back! Woohoo

There are at least 2-3 outrages per day on Era but you eventually get numb to it and ignore those threads.

I ignored anyone who made those threads. My ignore list is about 20 people. But then I got banned again because someone quoted me and I didn’t respond to them.

 

[caffeware]

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[Lady Bird]

My 11 year old account is back! Woohoo

Gz! I see you have over 8k posts. That account must have a lot of history.

 

[Dr. Claus]

context is a thing.

Mate, even after context is taken into account - both posts are racist.

It's literally in this very thread.

That post is a perfectly acceptable thing to state. Meanwhile the very site you are defending (resetera) has done far worse such as comparing conservatives with "niggers" as shown by the Slayven post above mine.

 

[Mochilador]

My 11 year old account is back! Woohoo

I ignored anyone who made those threads. My ignore list is about 20 people. But then I got banned again because someone quoted me and I didn’t respond to them.

What the hell!? What happened??

 

[Deleted member 752119]

No, they'll implode just like they did here...

I kind of doubt it. That admin/mod team is much more "in tune" with the extremists in the user base than GAF ever was. I think that community will mostly just stay what it is--very active gaming side with some lame outrage thread, off topic side with some fun threads but the political/social stuff skewing extreme left.

That will likely keep the site from growing any bigger than it is, and maybe shrinking some. But I don't see it imploding. People are drawn to it for what it is and for the people that just want to talk games it's very active and it's easy enough to avoid the sensitive topics and just stick talking about games in the OTs and community threads.

Unless something comes along that's equally or more active in those game threads that's not Reddit (as people who opt for forums generally hate the Reddit format or they'd be there as that's the most active spot for most games) they aren't going to lose a lot of traffic IMO. Even people like me that dislike the modding still go there as we can post a question in a game OT or community thread and get an answer in seconds or minutes vs hours or days on slower sites like this (outside of the huge new release OTs near launch).

People want it to fail given the dominate views and modding, but to a big part of their community they either actively support that or largely don't care as they have no interest in the types of topics affected by it and just use it for game news and OTs/community threads. No different than GAF in it's final years on that front--worse modding, but still a matter of really need to just avoid that stuff if you don't care or have strongly divergent views. And GAF would still be going strong if that incident didn't blow up and give that huge segment of the user base moment to migrate elsewhere en masse.

Most internet communities are echo chambers anymore. Especially Reddit with subReddits for everything under the sun. Few people want to debate things with people with sharply divergent views. So as much as I disagree with a lot of how they run that site, I don't see that causing an implosion. It's just emblematic of what the internet has became post social media and the ability to easily cultivate your own community and information.

 

[Reckheim]

Mate, even after context is taken into account - both posts are racist.

to be honest, era has been down most of the day so I can't double check that. I only have the context of the post here.

 

[Fujan]

First post in GAF since the great migration.

I see N-words and ridiculous comments that wouldn't fly even on reddit. I understand wanting free expression, and wanting to differentiate yourself from Era. I do think Era is a bit over-moderated especially on certain topics such as trans issues, but at least you can expect to have reasonable discussion that you could maybe associate your real name with (if you were an industry insider) without tarnishing your image.

I rather associate myself with my real name as a normal person in a place that does allow for disagreeing.

I hope you know your own moderators are racist.

If you're not a minority you're immune to racism /s

 

[Blam]

Real talk @NeoGAF EviLore -- How do we get user activity back up to pre-RE levels? Is there a hope in hell of this ever happening again? Are activity trends still seeing positive inflection?

The most valuable part of GAF was the insanely high user activity that turned this site into the best real-time breaking news aggregator I had ever seen. I learned about some of the most important stories of the past decade within MINUTES of it happening - well before CNN would break the news. Now RE has the users and the excellent user activity, but the alt-left moderation makes the site an unusable echo chamber.

Look on the first page of RE off-topic. Half of the threads show the latest post "a moment ago" (i.e. <1 min). Now look at GAF. It's still like a graveyard.

I don't have the answers. I know some will say "I like the slower pace these days!" but that's not true for the vast majority of people. Activity > content >> activity >>> content >>>> etc.. Maybe there needs to be some kind of mass sign-up drive. Or some kind of incentive system to get people to post more/create more threads. Hopefully smart people than me have better ideas.

I know I'm a bit late to the post. But it's really simple we just wait... Everyone who isn't here and on ERA isn't going to come back immediately after changes we have to slowly slowly push up that number again like it was done before hand.

First post in GAF since the great migration.

I see N-words and ridiculous comments that wouldn't fly even on reddit. I understand wanting free expression, and wanting to differentiate yourself from Era. I do think Era is a bit over-moderated especially on certain topics such as trans issues, but at least you can expect to have reasonable discussion that you could maybe associate your real name with (if you were an industry insider) without tarnishing your image.

Yes but if those same people will no doubt leverage your identity against you then why bother? No you cannot have a reasonable discussion with anyone on ERA as then you've hit the differing opinions and now you're oppressing/dismissing someone elses topic, and you'll be banned for it.

We've talked about a shitload of topics also talked about on ERA at the same time, but one side bans anyone who doesn't follow OP and one side allows all discussion about it.

 

[dorkimoe]

What the hell!? What happened??

Haha. I don’t remember the specifics. But the ban reason was like “making a post in a thread and then not answering peoples responses to you and posting elsewhere”. I didn’t feel like responding at that moment.

 

[zenspider]

Offended? You're the one complaining about not being able to share your "different point of views" on reset Era, I just assumed what different points of view are those, since those are the ones who generally warrant bans (outside of fanboyism and stuff like that)


The classic #notallmen #alllivesmatter post that completely ignores social and historical context in which things are said and done. Don't tell me you also have black friends, wonder why white people can't say the N word and that the gender gap is a myth.

This illustrates the problem with what passes for discourse on ERA perfectly.

Right there, you have two incredibly obviously true statements that have been poilticized to a degree that you can't articulate them in the realm of logic and reason without conflating them with "why white people can't say the N word", and also smuggling in a gender gap strawman - not to engage, mind you, but to short circuit the discussion by dismissing the person.

The problematization of #notallmen, for example, doesn't run through to the truth of claim that, until recently, was self-evident. Of course not all men. I learned to spot the fallacy of generalizations in 3rd grade.

We can talk about the gender gap claim, the concept of word appropriation, and powerful distortions of the 'alllivesmatter' hashtag, but not if the very appeal to do so is considered racist, sexist, etc., based on an increasingly suspect premise of power dynamics borrowed from postmodernism.

This would get me banned on ERA. Similar arguments have.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Well that dump is back up and it looks a lot like the new look here.

 

[RedVIper]

I'm literally not promoting the policing of thoughts that are not in line with mine. People are free to say whatever they want--but that doesn't make their statements immune to criticism.

Stating you don't care what women think about an issue that negatively effects them on a macro level is indeed a valid opinion to have and state. It would probably get you banned though, because forums don't exist in a vacuum and ResetEra is trying to be welcoming to everyone. Not just dudes. There are more women posting there now than I ever remember seeing on GAF in its heydey.

So you're not promoting policing of thought by telling us in your next sentence what were allowed to say. Cute. If you truly believe the people posting there are "women" you're delusional, there are bunch of guys pretending to be women for virtue points, because that's what happens when you play Oppression Olympics. (There's also the shitlords from the farm that just go there for the giggles)

And I understand that it can be frustrating if you're not yet "with the program" to have everyone dogpile on you, but you should also try and understand the feeling of exhaustion people feel to constantly re-explain the same things to every new poster who's simply "asking questions." The answers are out there already, Era genuinely operates under the assumption that people will seek them out on their own if they actually care.

It shows how indoctrinated you are when you openly state that you just have to "get with the program" if you don't want to get banned, Era doesn't promote discussion, dissenting opinions are banned on the spot, any thread of criticizing the moderation is promptly locked and swept aside.

These discussions don't exist in a vaccum though, that's the thing. Sexist depictions of women actively harm women, a group that has had it rough enough for... like, ever. Trying to play nice and keep everything "civil" simply maintains the status quo, which isn't something marginalized groups care to maintain. Era is empathetic to those groups.

Yes Era it's definitely not a vacuum, the mods are bastions of freedom of speech. Do they? Why? Who says? Some women dislike them sure, but just has many love them. That's also a nice of saying if you don't agree with our vies you're promoting the patriarchy and are a bigot/racist/literal Nazi (As opposed to metaphorical Nazis)

I appreciate the effort here, but as I was browsing through the ban list I noticed most of them didn't link to the actual thread? Unless I'm missing something (still figuring out this XF 2.0 thing). I feel like that's super important for transparency.

Also maybe less snark in the ban messages, that's what turned many people off from GAF in the olden days.

Era has much better transparency, that's why the only way to find out who was banned and why is with a third party website http://resetera.kiwifarms.net/new

I honestly believe you're just a troll, but pretending Era is a "moderated" forum is completly bullshit and everyone here sees right trough it. There are actively more people being banned each month than there are people joining in there.

 

[Papa]

It's not hidden lmao, we are just discussing the entire site, and any other sites for the matter of fact in that thread. We do it because we want to point out the issues with how they are running the site, and the bias they show with each mod action we see. We also look at the hivemind behind the site and how it's slowly going out of control to the point where they approve of antifa members there.

Exactly. Not discussing those moderation behaviours and understanding where they’re going wrong is part of how GAF imploded in the first place. Of course it naturally devolves into point and laugh on occasion (I admit I’m more than happy to participate in that too) but it’s not as though there’s no value in the thread.

 

[nephilimdj]

I don’t want to be constantly banned for 24 hours lol

Honestly its a good site, got some old habbits of the old gaf. Example was okay to shit on lets go Pikachu/eevee, yet other games would be a quick ban. Not much real news breaks there thu.

 

[Blam]

Well that dump is back up and it looks a lot like the new look here.

Yeah they bought that theme I believe from themehouse, as they kicked all of their designers off lol.