Apparently, CDProjekt RED and GOG have fired one of their community managers over polemical Tweets

Like how when Jessica Price said some mean things to a dude, an enormous mob of people jumped on her back? The subreddit suddenly lit up like a Christmas tree as it got flooded by people who had absolutely no prior post history there.

Let's not pretend this is one sided. Both sides of the fence thrives in mob culture and revels in taking down an "enemy". You can't accuse the one and pretend the other is innocent.
Except one side started everything & began p*ssing in everyone's breakfast, i.e. people who just wanted to live based upon their western civilization values suddenly encountered an army of freaks who shifted the goal posts & attacked normalcy. Here, have a look at Bill Clinton's speech vis-à-vis illegal immigrants, dated 1995. Imagine how resetera & the animals over there would crucify him for such words in 2018?


I wasn't born yesterday. Some creatures want to destroy the world & erect their own society based upon paranoia, envy & a massive chip on their shoulders. They can get stuffed for all I care.
 
There's a measure of irony in you calling the OP lazy for not providing you with the homework you yourself couldn't be bothered with.
What "homework"?

You posted bare hints at something happening and expected everyone here to either blindly trust your take on it, or go off and do the investigative journalism themselves to form a balanced opinion.

I've never started a thread on NeoGAF.

I came here years ago when it was harder for members to just initiate 'drive-by' threads like this. I respected NeoGAF because the first post of a thread had to have some weight to it. Mods expected you to provide sources and enough material to initiate a discussion with the community. And if you responded you had to add to the discussion. It's what drew me here as it set NeoGAF apart from most (all?) other gaming forums. I never started a thread because I had enough respect to want anything I started to add value to the community.

Go back and read your original post which started this thread. You throw up second and third-hand sources, one of whom had already made up his mind about what happened and how outraged he expected people to be in agreeing with him.

All we needed was some balanced background from you. Maybe screen-caps of the original tweet, and the tweets/forum posts of the people who lobbied GOG to take action, and anything else which is relevant. Is that a lot to ask? Maybe. But that's the benchmark NeoGAF deserves from threads.

If you can't do that, then don't start these threads. Let someone with more respect of our time do it. Don't disrespect the community by asking them to do your homework.
 
I had to google ‘polemical’...

Still don’t know what it’s all about lol

Social media goes over my head these days, I’m getting too old to keep up with all this he said, she said internet disputes.

> Recalls the good old days before social media, sigh.
 
The hypocrisy of those railing against SJWs is they act the same way. I rarely see so-called SJWs complain, but I see people complain about SJWs more often.
Amazing you don't see how the loons are running the asylum, leftist politicians allowing lawless mobs on the streets by telling the police to stand down. The MSM, gaming journalist press, a good chunk of the comics industry, the fact any conservative speaker has to spend hundreds of thousands in security if they're going to give a public speech anywhere, have you not heard of the saying get woke go broke? How can you miss all the orange man bad, Trump hate parroted all around 24 7?

This is a fight for freedom and human rights against oppression. At first these people said go make your own platform we don't have to allow you in, while having monopolistic control over most of the internet public space, then they said LUL did we say go make your own platform? No we meant you shouldn't be able to have a platform at all, DDOS, cutting payment, hosting, domain registration.

It is an all out war. These people believe that all differences in outcome are the result of sexist and racist oppression at the hand of the evil white man, no other thing could be the cause of said differences.
I don't want to be Captain Obvious, but Blizzard and Nintendo are not GOG? I asked if GOG was ever doing that before. If Apple or Microsoft would have released or not released a statement would be of equally little relevance. It's GOGs business how they manage their business.
It is, and if I had an employee that was doxxed, was harassed and received death threats by an outrage mob, even if I was going to fire him I wouldn't, I'd stand up to the mob not cave to their demands.

We as customers can respond to their decisions. If they desired to hire an excon serial rapist, it'd be their right to do that, and our right not to buy their products.
 
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You are not owed anything.

You posted bare hints at something happening and expected everyone here to either blindly trust your take on it, or go off and do the investigative journalism themselves to form a balanced opinion.
On the contrary. The OP is notably silent on my own opinion, which I have stated in a separate post. Didn't it occur to you that was on purpose? And didn't the word Apparently strike you as cautionary?


Go back and read your original post which started this thread. You throw up second and third-hand sources, one of whom had already made up his mind about what happened and how outraged he expected people to be in agreeing with him.
He was my source. That's why I included his video and that's also why I went with the word Apparently.

All we needed was some balanced background from you.
I'm under no obligation to provide background information, certainly not to conform to your notions of balance. This topic has been discussed at length around here. If you want to engage in the discussion in a meaningful way, I suggest you do your own research and come to your own conclusions, which you are welcome to offer here.

Maybe screen-caps of the original tweet, and the tweets/forum posts of the people who lobbied GOG to take action, and anything else which is relevant.
That's a nice suggestion. But since the topic had already been extensively discussed, I didn't deem it necessary.

Is that a lot to ask? Maybe. But that's the benchmark NeoGAF deserves from threads.
Sure. I'm sure to give it a thought next time I start a thread.

If you can't do that, then don't start these threads. Let someone with more respect of our time do it. Don't disrespect the community by asking them to do your homework.
Have the rules changed?

I appreciate the advice, but I wouldn't dream of taking you as the elected representative of NeoGAF. So don't use second person plural as though you were.

Thanks!
 
It is, and if I had an employee that was doxxed, was harassed and received death threats by an outrage mob, even if I was going to fire him I wouldn't, I'd stand up to the mob not cave to their demands.
Must be nice working for you. Too bad many victims of a twitter mob are not so lucky. Are you currently hiring? I know of someone who might need a job as community manager.
 
Must be nice working for you. Too bad many victims of a twitter mob are not so lucky. Are you currently hiring? I know of someone who might need a job as community manager.
No, but I think other companies need to grow a backbone. These firings over the most innocuous of things need to stop.

I'm glad the guy behind Rick and Morty got to keep his job, they did the right thing at that company. That's what companies should do.
 
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Must be nice working for you. Too bad many victims of a twitter mob are not so lucky. Are you currently hiring? I know of someone who might need a job as community manager.
Would the fact that you know who the community manager is be related to the fact he was doxed?

Oh, the irony.

What a peculiar logic. Because in the past some have suffered at the hands of twitter mobs, his predicament is being made to appear less vile or more tolerable.

So peculiar.
 
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Is this true? Because that is really telling and possibly illegal if true! 0-o
And as another poster has said, the deranged perpetrator of this attack actually asked and got the fired person's position. I just wish to know if this is true, because this is borderline illegal here!
Just to clear things up for the sake of intellectual integrity, there's nothing so far from after the fact, about CDP actually giving that moderator the job he asked for.

What's confirmed so far is just that the harassment and death threats, the firing(s), and that the dox took place along with a dump of personal details, in a tweet directly crediting a named resetera mod for being the source. Also that resetera forum members shared the dox and approved of it (and probably used it to harass the PR team, considering they are that site that has moderators openly say there's nothing wrong if white babies were murdered out of racial hatred) with no real sanctions besides a late edit to cover their asses.

Select screencaps below (with the likes and later comments removing any doubt about how consenting that moderator was in the ongoing death threat witch hunt), obviously with the dox info itself omitted to mitigate whatever further damage could happen to this now unemployed person who faced this. I hope they will clear things up.


Inb4 this is some 4-dimensional dark matter comedy our feable minds can't comprehend it and this totally a well-adjusted chill cool individual.

No. You are not the person who was fired. You are not part of CDPR's Human Resources dept. It is NOT any of your business.
Empathy, how does that work again?

There's a reason why most modern governments consider murder, murder attempts, murder threats, and similar lesser crimes, very much THEIR own business. That reason isn't entirely altruistic, there's an element of self-preservation within about what happens to society at large when this behavior becomes the new normal and justifies harassment and murder over "hashtags" (I don't buy that, that's just psycho harassment lovers relishing any opportunity to release their ugliest impulses at the word at the flimsiest excuse). That climate of terror is not "welcoming" to anyone, no matter how much that word is repeated by advocates of this harassment campaign.

In other unrelated news: Twitter now no longer allows resetera direct links, as they link to "dangerous" websites. Coincidence?
 
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Would the fact that you know who the community manager is be related to the fact he was doxed?

Oh, the irony.
Wait, what?



Seems your irony detector is broken or way off. I actually don't know the person lol, that was just a joke. But I guess you are in favor of getting people fired over bad jokes?



But don't let me be in your way of punching some selfmade strawmen :D
 
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Wait, what?

Seems your irony detector is broken or way off. I actually don't know the person lol,
You said you knew of someone, but now you don't, and it's my detector that is off?
Something is off alright.
Clearly, It's not my detector.

that was just a joke. But I guess you are in favor of getting people fired over bad jokes?
Your joke was bad, by your own admission. Which job would I be looking to get you fired from again? Your post is like mixed metaphors.

I mean, if you're going to attempt some stand up, at least clean up your routine beforehand.

But don't let me be in your way of punching some selfmade strawmen :D
You're only in the way of a proper argument, which you have yet to offer. Hopefully, time will help with that.
 
Yes and your joke backfired.
How did it backfire? You don't understand what I wrote, that's your loss not mine :)

But the topic at hand is whether or not CDPR/GOG were justified in, allegedly, firing one of their community managers over the tweets, not your brand of stand up.
That's already been answered: yes they were, it's their business, their decision who they hire and fire. Poland is a free country. Thread closed?
 
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i would never want to work in PR, it sounds like a nightmare.

one time i interviewed for a job making a website and they kept asking me about social media and when it became clear they wanted me to handle all of that as well i was like, oh hells no, i don't want this, this is too much responsibility. i turned them down and don't regret it.

Public Relations is weird. you are there to put a human face on an inhuman thing, a company, a corporation, a collection of people and non-corporeal concepts, products, and public actions. like all public surrogates, part of their job is the understanding that they will be made scapegoats, sacrifices for the greater good.
I can understand that logic.

But here is the question the other side hasn't been able to answer. If the backlash against the firing gets loud enough, will CDPR be justified in hiring him back?

If someone's answer is yes, then the first worm coming out of that can will be continuous even if contradictory uproar. If someone's answer is no, then I'd like to know the reasons for the double standard.
 
Except one side started everything & began p*ssing in everyone's breakfast, i.e. people who just wanted to live based upon their western civilization values suddenly encountered an army of freaks who shifted the goal posts & attacked normalcy. Here, have a look at Bill Clinton's speech vis-à-vis illegal immigrants, dated 1995. Imagine how resetera & the animals over there would crucify him for such words in 2018?


I wasn't born yesterday. Some creatures want to destroy the world & erect their own society based upon paranoia, envy & a massive chip on their shoulders. They can get stuffed for all I care.
Wow, that video. Nowadays from what I read of US politics, it would seem Mr. Clinton was a nazi.
 
I can understand that logic.

But here is the question the other side hasn't been able to answer. If the backlash against the firing gets loud enough, will CDPR be justified in hiring him back?

If someone's answer is yes, then the first worm coming out of that can will be continuous even if contradictory uproar. If someone's answer is no, then I'd like to know the reasons for the double standard.
I don't consider myself the "other" side, but if CDPR hired him back due to backlash from him being fired then that's okay too. At the end of the day CDPR will do what it thinks is best for its bottom line. At least that's what I assume they'd do. So if the CDPR community liked this guy that much and they hired him back, then cool.

I'd be surprised if hired back, he'd still post tweets like those in the past though.
 
Were they immediately banned for it?
The forum admin Hect? Banned? LMAO

They celebrated the dox in public on twitter, then locked their accounts after the story got a bit too big. They celebrated it on their actual forum as well, but a mod was telling them not to get too excited with on-site doxing and leave incriminating evidence there (but the discussion continued gleefully for hours even before the cleanup). To quote a certain diplomat "if you are going to do it that's fine and dandy, but do it outside, you're getting me into trouble". And that despicable behavior is just the tip of the iceberg, since this also confirmed one more use of their private chats where they probably do worse (let's just say these GOG employees weren't the first to have harassment sent the way of their families and their employers...)
 
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The forum admin Hect? Banned? LMAO

They celebrated the dox in public on twitter, then locked their accounts after the story got a bit too big. They celebrated it on their actual forum as well, but a mod was telling them not to get too excited with on-site doxing and leave incriminating evidence there (but the discussion continued gleefully for hours even before the cleanup). To quote a certain diplomat "if you are going to do it that's fine and dandy, but do it outside, you're getting me into trouble". And that despicable behavior is just the tip of the iceberg, since this also confirmed one more use of their private chats where they probably do worse (let's just say these GOG employees weren't the first to have harassment sent the way of their families and their employers...)
Wooooow. Fuuuck that shit.
 
Were they immediately banned for it?
Early in the Resetera thread there was a guy who posted Linkedin info of the supposed GOG guy. No banning of course. The info was deleted soon after. Either the poster or mod deleted the info, so I missed it. But if you read the thread, there was discussion about it.

And soon after that, when all the emotional posters were telling others to fuck off and people were getting banned, they were all patting each other on the back. The mod was loving it and even self declared himself something like "King Iron Fist" of the thread. One idiot even asked a GOG CSR to delete his account. The GOG guy did as requested, and the angry poster then replied by telling "Lue the CSR" to go fuck himself. The guy was so proud he even uploaded an image of his emails.

Great attitudes there.
 
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Great attitudes there.
To be blunt, that's what the insistence on mails tied to real names, companies, universities, or businesses came from, just to get the "privilege" of subscribing on resetera (or neogaf back when much of the same people were in charge, and not so coincidentally dropped shortly after) That's what it really was about.

The evolution of said forum has been very interesting to say the least, in how they use that information. Some traitors who didn't join the exodus had someone who had a mail list of members here beforehand (because of course) to mail their employers directly. Then developers who comment about not feeling comfortable commenting without getting into specifics have an echo chamber mob turning against them, stripping their "verified" tag, and trying to dig dirt on them to get them fired from their company. Now even game developer PR accounts, or inactive accounts have their information exploited to get someone fired, whenever the company does something they are offended at off-site. What a merry gang. I still sympathize with the plight of game developers who want none of that drama who entrusted their personal information to that fine administration team that will happily use it at a hat's drop for maximal damage, as long as it hurts one of the company's members.

That all doesn't matter going into the content of their off-topic section that openly advocates for police murder, political violence, baby murder, normalizing racism and other joys.

I applaud you had the mental fortitude to skim through the hive of madness that's a witch hunt topic there drunk with negativity and desire to harm so much they lash at their own at the first suspicion of not holding the one approved opinion. The internet of today is a dangerous world, but sometimes the threat lies in plain sight, and not just crawling from imageboards or seedy subreddits.
 
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To be blunt, that's what the insistence on mails tied to real names, companies, universities, or businesses came from, just to get the "privilege" of subscribing on resetera (or neogaf back when much of the same people were in charge, and not so coincidentally dropped shortly after) That's what it really was about.

The evolution of said forum has been very interesting to say the least, in how they use that information. Some traitors who didn't join the exodus had someone who had a mail list of members here beforehand (because of course) to mail their employers directly. Then developers who comment about not feeling comfortable commenting without getting into specifics have an echo chamber mob turning against them, stripping their "verified" tag, and trying to dig dirt on them to get them fired from their company. Now even game developer PR accounts, or inactive accounts have their information exploited to get someone fired, whenever the company does something they are offended at off-site. What a merry gang. I still sympathize with the plight of game developers who want none of that drama who entrusted their personal information to that fine administration team that will happily use it at a hat's drop for maximal damage, as long as it hurts one of the company's members.

That all doesn't matter going into the content of their off-topic section that openly advocates for police murder, political violence, baby murder, normalizing racism and other joys.

I applaud you had the mental fortitude to skim through the hive of madness that's a witch hunt topic there drunk with negativity and desire to harm so much they lash at their own at the first suspicion of not holding the one approved opinion. The internet of today is a dangerous world, but sometimes the threat lies in plain sight, and not just crawling from imageboards or seedy subreddits.
I'm no game maker or work even close to the game industry in any way, but if I was a gaming employee I'd never post on a site like GAF or Resetera or any forum with rabid fans. Too many assholes taking things too far. On one hand, talking games is fun, so the urge to join in with people who will play your game sounds great...... not too many industries out there have large forums who talk about your product years out from release.

If the company is ok with reps discussing games and offering info, the right thing to do is be anonymous. The drawback is many people won't believe you're legit and you are posting BS info, but who cares. Let it be. Gamers will notice the info is real and then believe. So credibility will improve.

Or just stick to their own company forum with an anonymous ID.

I can't think of any other community that can be so vile to one another. And every time I've heard about doxxing info or swat team raids are due to angry gamers.
 
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Entirely deserved. You want people who can do their job professionally.

None of those tweets, even if they weren't the end of the world, were professional.
There is nothing wrong with a company having a personality. The Tweets were harmless fun. Anyone that was offended by them should take a step back and get off the internet for a while. For the people that have social anxiety and live their lives on the internet, it might be time to delete any and all social media for a while, stop going to the usual chat forums and look for new places to visit to get some perspective.

If GoG fired the community manager for the Tweets, I think they should have checked their own forums first to see what the consensus was. If their consumers didn't care, then they shouldn't have cared. As for the people boycotting GoG due to the tweets, GoG should have asked these so called boycotters to provide their account details to see exactly how many of them were actual customers of theirs. If they weren't customers, then who cares about their threats.
 
There is nothing wrong with a company having a personality. The Tweets were harmless fun. Anyone that was offended by them should take a step back and get off the internet for a while. For the people that have social anxiety and live their lives on the internet, it might be time to delete any and all social media for a while, stop going to the usual chat forums and look for new places to visit to get some perspective.

If GoG fired the community manager for the Tweets, I think they should have checked their own forums first to see what the consensus was. If their consumers didn't care, then they shouldn't have cared. As for the people boycotting GoG due to the tweets, GoG should have asked these so called boycotters to provide their account details to see exactly how many of them were actual customers of theirs. If they weren't customers, then who cares about their threats.
I don't use GOG, but people posted GOG tweets does to sell games, which is sometimes puns. All lighthearted cheeky posts.

Tasteless considering the hashtag being used? I can understand that for some people ion this case. But most of the time, all it seems is a Twitter guy takes popular hashtags and tries to spin it to sell PC games.

But as you made point, some people just got to stop. Some people can't handle the internet which is 24/7 information and social media on steroids..... and bad news is always magnified ten-fold which gets the most clicks.

Stop reading Twitter and news and instead have fun playing games or watching a movie rated G or PG-13.
 
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You know what , Game companies need to stop trying to be friendly and having a bit of banter on social media with there customers , nothing good comes of it. if you want to get to know people who works for companies join there forums.

Just be like Rockstar only tweet when advertising a product or stream etc etc , don't bother trying to interact . As someone more intelligent then me said the only way you win is by NOT playing the game .
 
The “did you just assume their gender” joke was completely fine, because it attacks a notion with a pretty common joke that subverts an SJW common-place, rather than people. That's why he wasn't fired.

The "Classic PC games #WontBeErased on our watch", "Yeah, how’s that for some use of hashtags" directly attacked people being targeted by transphobic political plays in the US, and I say it's the sanest thing to have fired him.
 
The “did you just assume their gender” joke was completely fine, because it attacks a notion with a pretty common joke that subverts an SJW common-place, rather than people. That's why he wasn't fired.

The "Classic PC games #WontBeErased on our watch", "Yeah, how’s that for some use of hashtags" directly attacked people being targeted by transphobic political plays in the US, and I say it's the sanest thing to have fired him.
How does it attack them? If anything it promotes their cause?
 
Amazing you don't see how the loons are running the asylum, leftist politicians allowing lawless mobs on the streets by telling the police to stand down. The MSM, gaming journalist press, a good chunk of the comics industry, the fact any conservative speaker has to spend hundreds of thousands in security if they're going to give a public speech anywhere, have you not heard of the saying get woke go broke? How can you miss all the orange man bad, Trump hate parroted all around 24 7?

This is a fight for freedom and human rights against oppression. At first these people said go make your own platform we don't have to allow you in, while having monopolistic control over most of the internet public space, then they said LUL did we say go make your own platform? No we meant you shouldn't be able to have a platform at all, DDOS, cutting payment, hosting, domain registration.

It is an all out war. These people believe that all differences in outcome are the result of sexist and racist oppression at the hand of the evil white man, no other thing could be the cause of said differences.
This is missing a /s right?
 
Amazing you don't see how the loons are running the asylum, leftist politicians allowing lawless mobs on the streets by telling the police to stand down. The MSM, gaming journalist press, a good chunk of the comics industry, the fact any conservative speaker has to spend hundreds of thousands in security if they're going to give a public speech anywhere, have you not heard of the saying get woke go broke? How can you miss all the orange man bad, Trump hate parroted all around 24 7?

This is a fight for freedom and human rights against oppression. At first these people said go make your own platform we don't have to allow you in, while having monopolistic control over most of the internet public space, then they said LUL did we say go make your own platform? No we meant you shouldn't be able to have a platform at all, DDOS, cutting payment, hosting, domain registration.

It is an all out war. These people believe that all differences in outcome are the result of sexist and racist oppression at the hand of the evil white man, no other thing could be the cause of said differences.


It is, and if I had an employee that was doxxed, was harassed and received death threats by an outrage mob, even if I was going to fire him I wouldn't, I'd stand up to the mob not cave to their demands.

We as customers can respond to their decisions. If they desired to hire an excon serial rapist, it'd be their right to do that, and our right not to buy their products.
Boy, what a complex.
 
The “did you just assume their gender” joke was completely fine, because it attacks a notion with a pretty common joke that subverts an SJW common-place, rather than people. That's why he wasn't fired.

The "Classic PC games #WontBeErased on our watch", "Yeah, how’s that for some use of hashtags" directly attacked people being targeted by transphobic political plays in the US, and I say it's the sanest thing to have fired him.
Why would a video game company like CD Project RED want to "subvert" and SJW common place?
 
Why would a video game company like CD Project RED want to "subvert" and SJW common place?
That's why they fired the CM, the company may not want, but the CM did and you can when it's smart and not an aggression.

The "assumer their gender" was okay, the Postal II one pissing on game journalism was provoking but journalism is not an identity or condition, it's an highly criticisable job, however when various individuals are threatened to be denied existence (which is important for education, freedom to be, anti-discrimination, research and treatment of problems) and you subvert their campaign as a way of mocking or denying it's point, you are cowardly aggressing these people.

I'll take a more radical example: at the times of segregation when Emmet Till was defaced by a racist mob, and you mock or subvert people's calling for truth and due justice, there is absolutely no confusion as to the character of the message and whose purpose it serves.
 
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Do you think saying “gamer lives matter. How’s that for a hashtag?” promotes or belittles “Black Lives Matter”, regardless of what you think of the group.
It doesn't.

The “did you just assume their gender” joke was completely fine, because it attacks a notion with a pretty common joke that subverts an SJW common-place, rather than people. That's why he wasn't fired.

The "Classic PC games #WontBeErased on our watch", "Yeah, how’s that for some use of hashtags" directly attacked people being targeted by transphobic political plays in the US, and I say it's the sanest thing to have fired him.
It didn't. You are a wee bit loony if you think such, mate. You are projecting your own personal issues onto a harmless tweet.
 
Do you think saying “gamer lives matter. How’s that for a hashtag?” promotes or belittles “Black Lives Matter”, regardless of what you think of the group.
Even 'Black Lives Matter' was not original. It was coopted from 'Animal Lives Matter' down to the colors and font, which was done years (articles written on it as far back as 2009 and prior [in the 70's/80's UK] with that very slogan) in the Animal Rights/Liberation movements.
 
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Do you think saying “gamer lives matter. How’s that for a hashtag?” promotes or belittles “Black Lives Matter”, regardless of what you think of the group.
It would do neither.

That, in particular, to people in good faith who can spot an attempt at humour when they read it.

But to people in bad faith the world is nothing but a bottomless pit of rancour, resentment and belittlement all aimed at themselves, which they can draw from and drink from at any time in order to reinforce the farcical role they have cornered themselves into.
 
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Redneckerz

Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
I think this predominantly shows that CDPR, in relation to PR and social media, is a rain cloud in a desert: They simply have no idea how to comprehend how to deal with this.

What should have been done: Not apologize for the tweet.
What should have been done: Not fire someone over it. Since when cant this be fixed internally?
What should have been done: Release a statement detailing how this kind of outrage has hardly any effect on the sales of a game when its a game most anticipated. Okay, better leave the reference to your own game out, but just maintain the position that these complaints are hollow in nature.

By giving not only weight to this by way of sorry but also by firing someone over it, you are just giving the most vocal a confirming voice. And they don't need that voice, for their squeaking is only meant to be heard by fellow chirpers amongst one another.