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Starchasing
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Sriffat said:GAF always has a dedicated browser window for me
but that is not miltitasking...
multitasking is listening to pandora stream, while connected to msn, while typing...
Mr. Dobalina
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D4Danger said:
Until (if) Android ever can overtake iPhone in total units, then there is no reason for developers to ignore the iPhone. If some cool app comes out that is Android only and the developer refuses to make an iPhone version, some other deverloper will make an equivalent unless there is some technical reason they can't.
Of course, this isn't even taking into account that it's not just an Adroid/iPhone market thing. Apple probably sells at least 3X as many iPod Touches as iPhones (just guessing on that number). So if you're a developer, you choices are developing for the Android market or the iPhone/iPod/iPad market - which will likely be 10-20X the size. Where do you think you are going to focus?
Ignatz Mouse
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SuperPac said:
How is not having flash a nitpick of the hardcore? Joe User goes to a website, it doesn't work right. That happens a lot on phones/iPods, and they live with it, but why would they accept that in large device where the web browsing isn't so much a bonus as a major reason to own the it in the first place?
jts
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I am using Windows 7 on a tablet. It's shit to use just the screen so I use it as a regular laptop. I can't imagine the usability nightmare it would be have this without have kb/m *shudders*Hari Seldon said:
iPhone OS is more than simply a cell phone OS. It's Apple's mobile OS for touch devices powered by ARM processors. Apple can take it anywhere and still call it iPhone OS.
It's clear that they should change its name for marketing's sake though.
Technosteve
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which1spink said:
that is why apple bought out Final Cut. An apple platform is the only way to use Final Cut and all the stuff that supports it. Also Logic is locked down on apple platform. Adobe's products has always complemented those types of software.
Starchasing said:
I know. that is just one of those for me. For me multi tasking is having twitter open, web browser open, listening to music, having notepad/wordpad open. Sometimes I have an excel spreadsheet open. On many ocassions I have a picasa open with all the apps open.
I just don't want to close apps to open another one.
Mr. Dobalina said:
no no, I'm not saying ignore the iPhone.
I'm saying that the iPhone has a perfectly good web browser and it makes more sense to build your product using HTML because it will work on the iPhone, Android, WinMo etc.
If you build apps (for any brand of phone) then you're locked down. It goes against everything that made/makes the web so great. I want to see people stop building products that give one company a monopoly.
Hari Seldon
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jts said:
Personally, I'd give up some usability and UI features for the power of having a real OS. I was hoping that the UI would just blow me away, but it didn't, so I'd rather have a real OS.
eh, i have an ass old laptop that all i do is web browse and use office. If i could have a tablet that does the same thing that is easier to take around with me and always online i'd be all over it, which is why i'm very anxious to see iphone os 4 and then what comes out of the other tablets mentioned earlier. I am definitely in the market for one
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NinjaFridge
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Ignatz Mouse said:
The faithful are trying to justify bad decisions. We all know Flash is pretty shit but it is a huge part of the internet and ignoring that is retarded.
Some info on the Apple A4 system on chip (single chip that combines the CPU, GPU, mem controller, etc): http://bit.ly/bPtCkZ
Basically:
CPU: ARM Cortex A9 MPCore (multi-core). Same as Tegra2 and the TI OMAP4440. http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=3714
GPU: PowerVR SGX 540 or the ARM Mali 50
Basically:
CPU: ARM Cortex A9 MPCore (multi-core). Same as Tegra2 and the TI OMAP4440. http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=3714
GPU: PowerVR SGX 540 or the ARM Mali 50
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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But when you have a YouTube application on the device by default, Flash suddenly becomes very unimportant.NinjaFridge said:
Add in that Vimeo, Dailymotion, and YouTube all have native video support, what are we missing? Hulu and Netflix, both of which are better suited to other devices, and both can make applications to run on this. After all, Pandora is a Flash website, but they've nailed their iPhone app.
Hari Seldon
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jts said:
Yeah I'm going to wait for the HP reviews and obviously the courier announcement. MS has 60 days to sell me on something else! :lol
Starchasing
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yeah.. ipad has a filesharing system and there are many many pdf readers for iphone
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Sure.ElyrionX said:
I use Dropbox to sync documents between my computers and devices.
Ignatz Mouse
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My biggest problem with the Win7 tablets is... they are Win7. I really wanted a Mac Tablet. I have an old Tablet PC that I've been investigating the hackintosh route with, but I stalled waiting to hear about this.
longdi
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this is like macbook air again, good to look, no good to eat.
i believe tablets/e-readers of books and interwebs, are going to be the next big thing. i hope other companies like Google, Sony, Dell, Microsoft will not miss the boat like iPhone. surfing porn in bed on 10" high res e-ink is the digital life!
i believe tablets/e-readers of books and interwebs, are going to be the next big thing. i hope other companies like Google, Sony, Dell, Microsoft will not miss the boat like iPhone. surfing porn in bed on 10" high res e-ink is the digital life!
Battersea Power Station
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That might be correct in some way, i.e. the tech community was expecting a lot more from the iPad. But do you honestly think the iPad will sell in as limited quantities as the MB Air did? If not, you can't say it's "like [it] again."longdi said:
I think the lack of multi-tasking is the major killer for me at least, its the one thing that's keeping it a giant Itouch and not a tablet PC.
what I think is most bizarre is the thing is fast, it has decent specs its should be able to do far more...its like its purposely crippled.
what I think is most bizarre is the thing is fast, it has decent specs its should be able to do far more...its like its purposely crippled.
Mr. Dobalina
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Legit question (even as an iPad supporter):
If using iWork - how do I import/export those documents to my desktop? Lack of an SD reader is a downer but I don't think I can wait until version 2. I suppose iDisk might actually be a more elegant option (assuming you can open/save documents to iDisk).
...or you just need to wait for next rev of the firmware.
If using iWork - how do I import/export those documents to my desktop? Lack of an SD reader is a downer but I don't think I can wait until version 2. I suppose iDisk might actually be a more elegant option (assuming you can open/save documents to iDisk).
...or you just need to wait for next rev of the firmware.
Hari Seldon
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sedaku said:
I wonder if Apple will release some type of special stylus that will work with the screen to make it a good note-taker device. If they do that would be huge for me.
PhoncipleBone
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NinjaFridge said:
A majority of people use Flash for YouTube, which has an app. But I do agree that not supporting something that is such a massive part of the internet is pretty stoopid. I am still waiting for them to make a hulu app and release it.
Kung Fu Jedi
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longdi said:
If by porn you mean crappy novels or something. Show me an e-ink display that does video and photos well.
So there's no convincing argument for netbooks to sell to the mass public, despite the sales figures showing them selling in the tens of millions to the mass public, yet the convincing argument for the iPad to sell to the mass public is exactly the same as the netbook argument, just with a dash of elegance thrown in?SnakeXs said:
Like I alluded to, the whole sector is going lateral. This year is going to see an explosion of options in terms of formfactor, UI configurations, etc. Netbooks, tablets, hybrids, e-readers - this whole arena of supplementary computing device is diversifying dramatically this year.
But that's nothing special for the sector the iPad moves into. It WAS for the smartphone market when the app store appeared for the iPhone.
Because it established a major headstart in the areas I outlined.
Who was expecting that?!?. I think most were expecting that Apple would build more strongly on it than they have.
NO. The iPhone didn't simply do the things I listed more elegantly, it clearly did them better. It put other smartphone web browsing capabilities to shame and made real 2.0 web apps a reality on smartphones for the first time. It single-handedly redefined how to build and distribute native apps for smartphones. It introduced sensible UI innovations that hadn't existed on smartphones previously.
Since when is the netbook market "tiny, tiny" or even just tiny?
sonycowboy
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Hari Seldon said:
The iPad isnt' competing with those IMO.
It's an entertainment/lifestyle device. It in no way acts as a replacement for a computer (which netbooks ~sort of can do), and it can't act as a replacement for a Smartphone.
It's really, really good at the things Steve showed during the presentation, but it isn't intended to be a wholesale computer replacement as the normal tablet/netbooks tend to try to be.
You HAVE to sync this thing up to your computer to back it up, to get your photos, probably to get firmware updates, etc, etc. So, in many ways it is a BIG iPod touch.
However, due to the additional size & processor speed, it's going to be much better at doing the web, email, and all the things that were shown. It's also going to open up a new class of apps that couldn't be done on the iphone/ipod touch, such as the iLife stuff.
I know it's fun for people to hype or troll this product, but I think people bashing it are being disingenuous or simply not understanding the target Apple is going for.
That being said, I think it will be at the very least a moderate success, but at the same time, I don't see the need for ANYONE to HAVE TO HAVE this device. The iPhone had a distinct and gamebreaking utility. This device is simply about convenience, and for the price, I can see alot of people bypassing it. There's simply no killer app associated that isn't handled by other devices. The killer app is the hardware / screen itself, but other than the form factor, it hasn't really brought anything new to the table.
Starchasing
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Mr. Dobalina said:
File Sharing. A shared file directory is provided that will mount on your Mac or PC. This is presumably how files such as iWork documents will be transferred to and from the iPad. iPad applications will be able to access this shared directory.
http://www.macrumors.com/2010/01/27...-display-file-sharing-system-no-multitasking/
also
iPad Camera Connection Kit
The Camera Connection Kit gives you two ways to import photos and videos from a digital camera. The Camera Connector lets you import your photos and videos to iPad using the cameras USB cable. Or you can use the SD Card Reader to import photos and videos directly from the cameras SD card.
http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/
i use the goodreader app ... i use it for reading in small burst so i dunno if its good for long term use.... it also can convert pdf to pure text so you can reformat it
longdi
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i suddenly got this feeling that it still looks dorky reading from a 10" lcd in public. no?
i think the perfect e-reader is like a 4-5" smart phone from iphone 4g or nexus 2, something that easily slot in/out of pockets and control in one hand. tablets are still for indoors use, ether personal time in bed or work/school/projects...imo. :lol
i think the perfect e-reader is like a 4-5" smart phone from iphone 4g or nexus 2, something that easily slot in/out of pockets and control in one hand. tablets are still for indoors use, ether personal time in bed or work/school/projects...imo. :lol
jonnybryce
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I'm just disappointed it can only do with a iPod Touch can do, and isn't more Mac like. Not even UI-wise, but OS-wise. If they want to keep the iPhone menu look, that's fine, but I should be able to watch Hulu on it or stream the embedded video in a blog I'm reading. I should be able to listen to internet radio while I'm typing a paper on it. I can't do these things, and it's not just "nerds who care enough to read tech sites" that will be turned off by this. To regular people who haven't researched it, they'll know the iPad as simply a giant Touch, and I doubt that will be so enticing to the masses.
Netbooks look nicer and do more. They're also more portable and easy to carry around since they fold. Many college students use netbooks...I can't see people in class pulling out iPads, especially when sites like Engadget report typing with it flat on a table makes it wiggle and move since it's not completely flat.
It makes little sense. It's a very confusing peice of tech, it doesn't seem to know what purpose it wants to serve, and neither does Apple.
Netbooks look nicer and do more. They're also more portable and easy to carry around since they fold. Many college students use netbooks...I can't see people in class pulling out iPads, especially when sites like Engadget report typing with it flat on a table makes it wiggle and move since it's not completely flat.
It makes little sense. It's a very confusing peice of tech, it doesn't seem to know what purpose it wants to serve, and neither does Apple.
Just curious, but does anyone interested in the iPad currently have a tablet? Maybe some of my disillusionment comes from owning a tablet, and not seeing this as a huge step up. This has multitouch, which mine doesn't, but having used an HP tablet with multitouch recently, I think that's one less advantage this device has. It's really down to the form factor IMO. 1.5lbs is the best thing here. PEACE.
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Vennt
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Hari Seldon said:
You can already get Capacitive Stylus's, Of course you'd still need a scribble app of some sort, but I can't imagine one specifically for the iPad would be far behind as you can already get them for the iPhone/Touch
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
But have news sites switched over? I know I can't watch the state of the Union on whitehouse.gov due to it being flash.
I think what people are missing is what Steve actually said about netbooks. "Netbooks aren't better than laptops at anything. They're just small laptops. They're cheap laptops. "
He's defining the netbook as a laptop, from that perspective, it's not a third pillar category. The iPad is an appliance. Heck, I could sync it to a netbook if I wanted to. A netbook is not an appliance, it's a computer, with all the power and cruft that applies.
I think if we could ask him, he'd say the Kindle does fit in that category, it's better at reading books than a laptop. It's an appliance. As is the iPad.
He's defining the netbook as a laptop, from that perspective, it's not a third pillar category. The iPad is an appliance. Heck, I could sync it to a netbook if I wanted to. A netbook is not an appliance, it's a computer, with all the power and cruft that applies.
I think if we could ask him, he'd say the Kindle does fit in that category, it's better at reading books than a laptop. It's an appliance. As is the iPad.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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White House has an iPhone app where you can watch it. It even let you stream it last night.Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
NY Times showed off their updated iPad app yesterday that had inline videos with the newspaper content.
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