• Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!

Apple iPad revealed

Status
Not open for further replies.
mrkgoo said:
Those are all good points too.

They're not super deal breakers, but with enough complaining, I can see Apple introducing some of that stuff in the future.
If those aren't deal breakers, I really don't know what is.
 
m0dus said:
Oh, do you mean 'wake from sleep?' in which case, it takes about 1-2 seconds
Most people don't sleep their computer. They turn it off to save electricity and don't turn their computer on until they get home.

m0dus said:
I cannot undersand the need to justify the stupidity of the product by marvelling at how many stupid people will buy it.
If this is a stupid device and stupid people will buy it, then is Apple stupid for making tons of money off of it to fund future products/revisions? I don't see how this is an argument either.

If you don't want it, don't buy it, simple as that. No need to act like Apple stole your baby and sold it into a prostitution ring like many are doing.

m0dus said:
Immediately fail to load any flash sites, most embedded videos, hulu, etc.
Yep, this is a flaw.

m0dus said:
(IE, NO camera? my ipod fucking NANO has a fucking camera) it is as far from perfect as anything can be.
Yes, these are also flaws. But I didn't say *this version* was a perfect device. This iteration is clearly flawed. But the concept, which is basically half iPod Touch and half Macbook is perfect.
 
Big, Ugly Bezel
Have you seen the bezel on this thing?! It's huge! I know you don't want to accidentally input a command when your thumb is holding it, but come on.

:lol leave it to gizmodo to complain about something and put the reason for what they're complaining about IN the complaint

edit: the responses from people in here are so cookie cutter from every other apple keynote it's mindblowing

"anyone who wants this is stupid because I don't want it!"
 
SnakeXs said:
What do you expect from revisions? Nearly every complaint likely to be addressed can be tied back to software, not hardware, camera(s) aside.

Cheaper and better. And when I said revisions I meant both hardware and software. Hopefully they will have found some new things for this to do as well. Apple hasn't really answered the quesiton of "What do you do with a tablet?" but within a few years someone I'm sure will. So the ipad is a great foundation for some really cool tech.
 
giga said:
USB and SD card slots would require it be thicker people...

And people asking for 16:9 have really missed the objective of this having ebook functionality. How many books and textbooks are in 16:9?
1. Having basic things like USB and SD slots are far more important than a couple of millimeters of thickness.

2. It's not an ebook. It's a tablet. In the same market as laptops...
 
Skittleguy said:
tumblr_kwxariQohu1qztjn5o1_500.jpg

:lol :lol :lol
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
It's unique at this size.

Are there any laptops at all with an IPS panel and 178 degree viewing angle?

I agree its unique at this size definitely. But many are saying, wow @ this new IPS technology.

and no, i don' t think there are any panels like that on laptops... maybe some.
 
p_p_o_d said:
do apple have something against Flash?



I guess it could hurt app sales? maybe?

Everyone should have something against Flash. Forcing proprietary formats is bad.

Anticitizen One said:
hmm whats the reason behind that?

Apple is trying to force the industry to move to HTML5. It's a good thing.
 
I had a hunch the tablet would suck and lo and behold. Looks like something thrown together in 6 months wtf =/

Just a bigger iPhone. Same technology, same limitations. Just oversized.
 
Anticitizen One said:
Do you guys think the 2nd generation ipad will have camera/video conferencing/flash/multitasking ?

Like a netbook? No way, Steve already said Netbooks are for cheap people. The way to go is buying a huge touchscreen without any multitasking capabilities.
 
p_p_o_d said:
do apple have something against Flash?



I guess it could hurt app sales? maybe?

Yes, it runs like shit and is buggy as hell on any platform other than Windows, and Adobe has not been in a hurry to fix it at all.
 
anovice said:
There's a reason PC gaming is such a niche. It's fun and nerdy and techy and bleeding edge, but most people just want to start something up and play, not having to worry about all of the additional bullshit that comes along with the aforementioned.

And for Flash crazies... You might not see it now, but what Apple is doing will benefit the industry. Flash is the only Web "Standard" that is proprietary and that is not a good thing.

You can argue that Flash can do this, but so could anything else given the proper attention... HTML5/CSS3/JS/SQLite/XML/BlahBlahBlah.


A multi-billion dollar/year industry is a niche? Not to mention the laughable notion that casual games (which dominate the Apple products) are NOT PC games.


When a consumer is buying a device, they want it to be functional for the world they live in, not the world they SHOULD live in. It's the same kind of trap that Sony falls into when they release products.
 
Buckethead said:
Most people don't sleep their computer. They turn it off to save electricity and don't turn their computer on until they get home.
I'm sorry but WHAT?
 
giga said:
USB and SD card slots would require it be thicker people...

And people asking for 16:9 have really missed the objective of this having ebook functionality. How many books and textbooks are in 16:9?


Its not an ereader device. ibook store is just one part of it. To me its more media/browser focused, in which case a 16:9 screen would have been useful. Also for the way they've laid out their apps for landscape, like email, lends itself to a wider aspect ratio.



and why is a 'big ipod touch' being lazy? isn't it possible that the bigness of the screen will make it very different to an ipod touch in use? look at things like MS Surface - ipod touch is focused on portable use cases, this can be more general purpose for around the home etc.
 
When the iPad rev2 (rev3) includes the following, I'll dive in with the force of a thousand suns:

1) Front-facing camera + video chat software. I will literally feel like I'm in THE FUTURE.

2) Run multiple Apps. It's complete horseshit that I can't work on a doc and listen to twitter or have aim open at the same time. AIM is my lifeline - it's how I get the majority of my work done. Not being able to run ichat and a browser at the same time kills this.

~~~

As always, I want one. Apple made a great form factor. But it just isn't there yet.
 
So much hype for such a mediocre device.

Steve Jobs, if you take a look down and to your left, you will notice a certain shark you have just leapt over.
 
silverbullet1080 said:
1. Having basic things like USB and SD slots are far more important than a couple of millimeters of thickness.

2. It's not an ebook. It's a tablet. In the same market as laptops...
1. This is Apple. They'd rather take those millimeters and clean lines and provide a dock adapter for things consumers wouldn't use often.
2. What? How many slates are 16:9? Regardless, my point was that it needed to be 4:3 for the iBooks implementation and iPhone app compatibility.
 
Blu_LED said:
If those aren't deal breakers, I really don't know what is.

Well, not deal breakers to me.

I'd like to note that a lot of apps on the iPhone are pointless on this. I wish it had multiple app 'widgets'.

Things like opening a weather app is kind of stupid on the iPad (in both 1:1 centred and enlarged mode).

To be fair, though, you KNOW third parties will make a "dashboard" app that will have all the stuff at once (there's actually iPhone apps like that already).

iPhone games make little sense. Won't i have a GIANT virtual stick for some games? Games like REal Racing might work better. Again, though, it's an interim.

the iPad screen resolution (pip) is less dense than the iPhone, so not sure how that translates in gorgeous factor.
 
anovice said:
You could always look at it like this:

There are development gaming consoles and there are gaming consoles.

It's as if everyone has been forced to use a development console just to play games when most people really just want a gaming console to do just that.

Why do people need a system that can do everything? I understand the flexibility, but this device is a blank slate that can do specific things very well, assuming you have the right app.

It's not about needing a system that can do everything. But the Ipad suffers from too many restrictions carried over from its smartphone OS to be actually useful, even as a minimal approach. The Iphone is a nice smartphone, but it's a small device you can always carry with you. That's why the lack of certain features can be tolerated; there's really not much sense to allow massive multi-tasking on a smartphone (although it can be done with, for example, Android). But when you essentially blow your smartphone up to the size of the Ipad, these considerations will play a large role in determining the utility of it, and that's where the Ipad is definitely quite lacking. It's like an over-the-top zen approach to mobile computing; the Ipad almost feels like the sound of zero hands clapping.

-F.
 
Flek said:
yeha and laptob batery is ALWAYS empty when using sleep

Are you using a crappy laptop or not using sleep correctly? The same sleep that keeps just a minimum amount of power going to the computer to keep the RAM state active? It would be like the PSP's sleep mode where it's more or less off but just a bare amount of power is keeping the RAM active. My netbook can last a week in sleep mode. May laptop I've never fully tested but can last at least a few days in sleep.
 
Tobor said:
Everyone should have something against Flash. Forcing proprietary formats is bad.



Apple is trying to force the industry to move to HTML5. It's a good thing.

This thing is the definition of proprietary... :lol
 
I think what the iPad really signifies the end of the printed press for good. I dont think I will buy another newspaper or a magazine again. They will simply be delivered to my iPad each morning. This is should almost be as good as reading on real paper. Computer screens just weren't good enough for proper duration reading.
 
nightez said:
I think what the iPad really signifies the end of the printed press for good. I dont think I will buy another newspaper or a magazine again. This is should almost be as good as reading on real paper. Computer screens aren't good long duration reading.

What, exactly, is the difference between the Ipad and a computer screen?

-F.
 
ToxicAdam said:
A multi-billion dollar/year industry is a niche?

When a consumer is buying a device, they want it to be functional for the world they live in, not the world they SHOULD live in. that is available now. It's the same kind of trap that Sony falls into when they release products.

Yes. You could also argue that any other industry that makes millions and billions isn't niche.

The color management industry is a multi-million dollar industry that piggybacks on a multi-billion dollar print industry.

Still niche. Print will also become niche. Even if they still make billions of dollars, compared to what will be.

ToxicAdam said:
When a consumer is buying a device, they want it to be functional for the world they live in, not the world they SHOULD live in. that is available now. It's the same kind of trap that Sony falls into when they release products.

This kind of thinking means we should still be riding in carriages. A device like this offers simplicity as its functionality. That directly relates to convenience. People want to simplify their lives and make it more convenient.

That's the big picture. Not proprietary Sony non-sense. They don't do that at all.
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
I have a Macbook in my lap, I use a Macbook at work, I have my old Mac as my media machine, my wife and I both own iPods. I personally am on my third.

I understand usability. What you fail to understand is *utility*. I will pay more to gte more usability, but only for functions that make sense and are worth it at that price. UI is nothing when so many functions the tablet could have are missing, and what it does I can do already on devices I own or cheaper devices. (My wife, for instance, has a Kindle, far cheaper for the one thing this makes sense for.)

Cool. How many movies does she have on here Kindle. How do those vacation pics look on the eink display. Oh right you have a laptop for those things. So now your packing up your kindle and laptop in her purse.

Its more functional than an ereader. Its a better book reader than a netbook/laptop. You get the idea.

I myself don't have much use for laptops, because I think they suck, of all places, on your lap. I've gotten to where I just keep my iPhone right beside me all the time when I'm in my house, so I don't have to go to my desk when I want to quickly check email, browse web, whatever. I'd love to have a larger screen to do those things. I'd be great on the nightstand.

I'm not saying the thing is perfect or doesn't have plenty of room to grow, but regardless of wether you see it or not, there's a use for a larger iPhone/iPod touch.
 
Buckethead said:
Most people don't sleep their computer. They turn it off to save electricity and don't turn their computer on until they get home.

So in other words, it needs to be conveyed better that putting a computer to sleep is no different than putting an iPhone/iTouch/iPad to sleep or you need to trick them that when they shut down it just puts it to sleep? Because really, that's what is going on here. Keeping the iPhone/iTouch/iPad in sleep mode is just like using electricity when putting a laptop into sleep mode. The only difference is one they are probably aware of and the other they aren't.
 
Tobor said:
I think you guys are confusing DRM with proprietary formats.

Two different concepts that achieve the same goal. DRM fucks consumers, Proprietary fucks other companies/consumers. Geez I wonder which apple likes more.
 
I think calling the HP slate the better solution is a mistake - expect highlights like poor battery life, lackluster performance and (probably) a resistive interface to make it a letdown overall. I mean, after using Windows XP Tablet for years, the interface (even as W7) is roughly about as ready for touch-use as Windows Mobile (eg: not much).

That doesn't mean the iPad is a brilliant success by comparison; I just think it does the core things a slate needs to do better, namely an interface meant for touch, battery life meant for being untethered, a usable screen resolution and a thin profile (ie: it's actually portable.)
I'm not convinced it's a breakthrough device of any sort - obviously multitasking, camera, and USB all seem like things that should be there - but I also have no evidence that any of the PC slates can deliver at the same level (yet).

Obviously a netbook is a more enticing entry level device (200-300 does that for you) but I have to admit I'd probably rather type on a big iPhone than struggle with the mini-keyboard and pointer pad on a typical netbook...
 
Tobor said:
I think you guys are confusing DRM with proprietary formats.

No. It's just funny that you see Apple as some sort of crusader against proprietary formats.

I mean, you need to buy an adapter to use SD cards and USB devices.
 
I knew people were going to be in here defending this device until their face turned blue regardless of the end product, I just love how much harder Apple has made it for you all.

I was hoping to be blown away by the iTablet. However, the iPad can blow me.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom