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I was hoping this would have real Mac OS X. Turns out it's nothing more than an iPod Touch XL and personally I don't need or want that.

I don't get why anyone with an iPod Touch/iPhone and a MacBook would want this.
 
Seems too luxurious, too limited, and too stuffed with the "Apple knows best" mentality.

It's an impressive little device, I'll say. Not better than a netbook.
 
Shogmaster said:
That's a dock/keyboard. I don't think you'd want to carry that around in your bag. It's got a big hump on it as a base.

and you can also use the bluetooth keyboard, for your humpless storage needs.
 
Don't worry.....this thing will be huge, maybe not as big as the iPhone but it will get all the coverage to make it a must have item.

I'm looking at the features page and I really don't see anything that my iPhone can't do, I also still hate having to convert all my videos. Even windows 7 supports avi/divx!
 
All it needs to be able to do is keep my legal textbooks that I use off pdfs. If it can hold those (when I transfer them to it), then im getting one
 
Technosteve said:
html 5 supports h.264 video with in the frame work. Safari supports html 5.

It's not that easy. HTML5 supports embedding video, but thanks to companies unwilling to decide on the codec, pretty much everything goes. Some browsers won't support Codec A, some won't support Codec B etc.
It's just like the 90s' plugin terror again, but I'm not sure whether there'll actually be plugins you can install to get codec support.

-F.
 
ToxicAdam said:
I love how people are making the standard PC out to be some kind of complex, obscure technology when 4 year olds around the world are using it on a daily basis.

:lol

I love my laptop, and I couldn't not have connectivity and flexibilty. But the battery life is shit and 80% of the time I'm just browsing on the sofa at home. iPad would be fine for me.


There is a space for an ipod-like large device in the home, especially nowadays when people are not really 'computing' day to day, but browsing/emailing/IMing etc.
 
I think I will buy a few of these. I want a 3G version, but isn't likely I can get one before I leave. OS I might get a non-3G one to have with me, and then get a 3G one a few months later if I feel I need it (although I think iPhone will cover my 3G needs).

The non-3G device is cheap enough.

if iWOrk syncs with MAc well, then I'm probably going to get iWork for mac too.

And try to convince my parents to get one as well.
 
iPhone > Macbook > iPad > AppleTV

My thoughts on where this fits on the consumer acceptability scale.
 
No flash is rediculous, yes it undermines the app store but so does plain web to, you can make plenty of web apps.

As a smaller device the iPhone can get away with it, here it's sticks out like a saw thumb.

Looks nice, great little coach web surfer & could replace my iPhone/laptop for that.

We'll see when uk prices are out if I nab one.
 
KratosKilla said:
Simplicity is one thing but restricting normal features like cameras and Flash is not a matter of making the device simpler. It is restricting to keep the price down and to increase profit margins.

I didn't say the absence of a camera, Flash, etc is to better simplify the device. Quite the opposite.

The point I'm trying to make is that something absent like that doesn't invalidate the purpose of the device. Y'all should bitch and scream over those things. I agree and it's that very reason (price) certain things aren't there. Not really rocket science.

Flash shouldn't be a normal feature on any device (I teach Flash, btw) - Apple's resistance to putting it on what they consider their next-gen thinking devices is for web-forward and political reasons.
 
If Apple knows at all what they're doing, they will can this thing before it is slated to hit the shelves in March. I think they must have realized they might have to - usually when they have a new release, it goes up on the Apple store that same day. Announcing it now for release in March is not like them.
 
Technosteve said:
html 5 supports h.264 video with in the frame work. Safari supports html 5. For video on a low power device it's easier to optimize for the codec then the flash frame work. iphone you can multitask with ipod.

on another note, i am disappointed but i think i might get one for my mom who will love it.

HTML5 doesn't mandate a codec and if a browser doesn't support a certain codec that doesn't mean it doesn't support HTML5.

If Apple really wanted to open up the web they would use Theora/Vorbis instead of h.264 which they have a big stake in.

Let's not pretend this is a noble gesture on Apple's part. It's all business.
 
Do they seriously have spotlight to the left taking up a full page?
It looks like, but the pic is kind of small.
 
DarkJC said:
:lol leave it to gizmodo to complain about something and put the reason for what they're complaining about IN the complaint

edit: the responses from people in here are so cookie cutter from every other apple keynote it's mindblowing

"anyone who wants this is stupid because I don't want it!"

Maybe because Apple are so behind even the laziest Hong Kong pirates in certain areas?
 
Tarazet said:
If Apple knows at all what they're doing, they will can this thing before it is slated to hit the shelves in March. I think they must have realized they might have to - usually when they have a new release, it goes up on the Apple store that same day. Announcing it now for release in March is not like them.

And yet more trolling, some people just can't heed the warning of those banned before them.
 
NYR said:
It fits right in between the two items you mentioned. It has a point. You just can't see it since you are not the market for it.
I still don't see the use of something like this "In Between".
 
Tarazet said:
If Apple knows at all what they're doing, they will can this thing before it is slated to hit the shelves in March. I think they must have realized they might have to - usually when they have a new release, it goes up on the Apple store that same day. Announcing it now for release in March is not like them.

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
 
anovice said:
Flash shouldn't be a normal feature on any device (I teach Flash, btw) - Apple's resistance to putting it on what they consider their next-gen thinking devices is for web-forward and political reasons.

If you want to argue that flash shouldn't be a plugin installed by default, sure.

If you want to argue that a device with one of it's main points being able to surf the web, and then not allowing flash period, that's just idiotic.
 
Tarazet said:
If Apple knows at all what they're doing, they will can this thing before it is slated to hit the shelves in March. I think they must have realized they might have to - usually when they have a new release, it goes up on the Apple store that same day. Announcing it now for release in March is not like them.
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anovice said:
I didn't say the absence of a camera, Flash, etc is to better simplify the device. Quite the opposite.

The point I'm trying to make is that something absent like that doesn't invalidate the purpose of the device. Y'all should bitch and scream over those things. I agree and it's that very reason (price) certain things aren't there. Not really rocket science.

Flash shouldn't be a normal feature on any device (I teach Flash, btw) - Apple's resistance to putting it on what they consider their next-gen thinking devices is for web-forward and political reasons.

I agree with you then. I'm interested in this device but I already have an iPhone 3g so many of the features are the same. Although those who don't own it may find a use for it and even as a ebook reader it sounds cool.
 
MThanded said:
Reading research papers on this thing will be great..... no mention of pdf reading support as of yet...
iphoneOS has had built-in PDF support for generations now. you can bet your cookie the first thing on the islate that browses documents will handle PDFs flowlessly.

what i do hope about, is that apple fixed the plain text document view widget - that one is horrendously broken in iphoneOS 3.x.

I like the hp slate. Wonder what the price is going to be.
if you like that then check the dell mini 5 too (android). at least that latter runs an actual touch-based OS ; )
 
RubxQub said:
iPhone > Macbook > iPad > AppleTV

My thoughts on where this fits on the consumer acceptability scale.

I think that's correct but the bigger question is how far are the gaps in between those devices?
 
Sriffat said:
Meh. To me, a tablet is a great way to browse the web around the house, and that's what I spend 90% of my time doing. Oddly, though, my Gateway spent 90% of its time in standard notebook mode because I do a lot of typing on here and FB, so even the fantastic handwriting software wasn't enough to keep me from the keyboard. Besides, I hate writing by hand. That's why I got a computer in the first place. Typing is better. Not sure how I feel about the touch keypad.

Anyway, to me, the negatives are the lack of usb port, no webcam and somewhat strange resolution. Just strange design decisions. But as a whole, a tablet is nice if you sit reclined in front of a tv, and it's great for reading manga. I can slide it in a sleeve and throw it in my bag. I just wish they'd come with a better setup. I'll wait for the G2 and then jump in. I'm really not feeling this, but I'm not anti-Apple or anything. If they get it right, it might be a fun little device to tinker around with while I weigh the options of going all Apple or all Google. Maybe by then the iPhone will be on a CDMA network. PEACE.
 
No Multitasking
This is a backbreaker. If this is supposed to be a replacement for netbooks, how can it possibly not have multitasking? Are you saying I can't listen to Pandora while writing a document? I can't have my Twitter app open at the same time as my browser? I can't have AIM open at the same time as my email? Are you kidding me? This alone guarantees that I will not buy this product.

This is what is holding me back from getting this thing on day 1. I mean why would Apple not include this function on their "tablet killer"
 
Are there many vids? I just headed to Engadget and it says there's one on the front page. Just a heads up really. but I'm sure you all know already.
 
Brera said:
Maybe because Apple are so behind even the laziest Hong Kong pirates in certain areas?

But the pirates are ahead for a very good reason. They don't have to care about licensing and royalites and having to support products post-release.
 
anovice said:
I didn't say the absence of a camera, Flash, etc is to better simplify the device. Quite the opposite.

The point I'm trying to make is that something absent like that doesn't invalidate the purpose of the device. Y'all should bitch and scream over those things. I agree and it's that very reason (price) certain things aren't there. Not really rocket science.

Flash shouldn't be a normal feature on any device (I teach Flash, btw) - Apple's resistance to putting it on what they consider their next-gen thinking devices is for web-forward and political reasons.

I hate the "political reasons" argument. Why are they doing that? They're most likely actively denying their customers support for flash, for which they should be shunned. Adobe doesn't really make quality products, and I'm not a fan of flash, but citing political reasons is just so incredibly cheap.

Still, I wonder how it'll sell. Adding multi-tasking support should be their #1 priority, because I still think it's pretty much useless without it. The power it has to offer should be sufficient, unless all of it is blown on making it look slick and pretty.

-F.
 
Well, my wife seems to be taken away with this thing, and she wants to replace our old laptop with this, and get that 16g 3G version. We don't own any iPhone, so I'm not too sure how it works on some of the stuff - so here are few questions - if any could answer, I'd appreciate it.

1. Does this support online shopping on various department store websites, or use online banking / bill payments?

2. Does this support Windows Live / MSN Messenger and able to run it in the background, while she's doing something else (such as looking at some site)?

As far as I can tell, above 2 are the most she does with her current laptop - other than paying the bills, and doing some excel spread worksheet for domestic budgets.

Thx in advance!
 
Once this thing gets jail breaked its gonna be a great day. Sad it has to be this way. I will be buying mine day one but a jailbroken ipad is going to be glorious.

lachesis said:
Well, my wife seems to be taken away with this thing, and she wants to replace our old laptop with this, and get that 16g 3G version. We don't own any iPhone, so I'm not too sure how it works on some of the stuff - so here are few questions - if any could answer, I'd appreciate it.

1. Does this support online shopping on various department store websites, or use online banking / bill payments?

2. Does this support Windows Live / MSN Messenger and able to run it in the background, while she's doing something else (such as looking at some site)?

As far as I can tell, above 2 are the most she does with her current laptop - other than paying the bills, and doing some excel spread worksheet for domestic budgets.

Thx in advance!

1. you are fine
2. no its not going to work.
 
Political reasons are also crap because Apple also sells products that allow you to do WHATEVER YOU WANT on them. I happen to be rather fond of those products, but not this formfactor mismatch.
 
Tarazet said:
If Apple knows at all what they're doing, they will can this thing before it is slated to hit the shelves in March. I think they must have realized they might have to - usually when they have a new release, it goes up on the Apple store that same day. Announcing it now for release in March is not like them.
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Wait.. Why was he banned?
 
Marty Chinn said:
What happened to form factor? Netbook then becomes better form factor here.

When did I say I was going to buy a keyboard? I don't need it. The option is there for people who do.
 
Shogmaster said:
You can always carry spare battery in your bag.

Er...sure, if I'm a photographer on a road trip. And I want the extra .5-1lb to carry?

I need a tablet with great brightness that I can afford to leave on and let sleep without it outright dying once a day. My iPhone can do that, but there's just no way in hell that my old X41t could. And that's with the 8-cell battery in "conserve" mode.

I was using one of those Kohjinsha mini's for awhile...3 hours, tops. Really. Hopefully Intel has performance per watt figured out, but I can't say I've seen anything to make me hopeful.

Shogmaster said:
It's powerful enough for Flash :P

Sure, and probably will run it fine providing it's running ION or Tegra. Not confident at all about it for regular Windows app use, especially if they try to put a regular hard drive in there.

Shogmaster said:
Confirmed @ CES as Capacitive Multitouch.

That's refreshing.

Shogmaster said:
XP Tablet ain't W7. Tell me, how long you've been using W7 on tablet? ;)

A month? Mainly just demo models. Seems to be the same old hunt-and-peck stylus stuff, which obviously doesn't work when you hit small screens with high DPI. Handwriting recognition still doesn't work for me at all (convinced nobody has ever bothered to model left-handed writing). I do see from a screengrab on the MS website of the media center interface though...how did that turn out? The pro install on the X200T I was using didn't have it (or maybe I just couldn't find it...)

Logistically I was just comparing how, say, the core W7 interface isn't nearly as usable with a pen, as, say, Sketchbook Pro.
 
I should be doing hw said:
I don't get what this is...an iPhone minus the phone except large so it isn't portable? Who the fuck would want that? Someone help me out here.
me. I wanted something that can read pdfs that was about book size but was more functional than an ereader. This is the only thing that fits this void.
 
Marty Chinn said:
I think that's correct but the bigger question is how far are the gaps in between those devices?
I'd say:

iPhone >>> Macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iPad >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>AppleTV
 
Oh, and with Flash Memory up to 64gb? Well that ain't gonna be cheap. Look at the bloody iPod Touches.
 
lachesis said:
Well, my wife seems to be taken away with this thing, and she wants to replace our old laptop with this, and get that 16g 3G version. We don't own any iPhone, so I'm not too sure how it works on some of the stuff - so here are few questions - if any could answer, I'd appreciate it.

1. Does this support online shopping on various department store websites, or use online banking / bill payments?

2. Does this support Windows Live / MSN Messenger and able to run it in the background, while she's doing something else (such as looking at some site)?

As far as I can tell, above 2 are the most she does with her current laptop - other than paying the bills, and doing some excel spread worksheet for domestic budgets.

Thx in advance!

1) Yes. You can either do it from an app developed by the store or bank or just use the normal web interface

2) There is a MSN Messenger app like Beejive (it does more than just MSN), and I have to assume you can have push notifications on this so you could in theory do that. Still will be a pain to switch between the two IMO, especially since Beejive can take awhile to connect and retreive the messages.
 
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