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Hitokage said:
Political reasons are also crap because Apple also sells products that allow you to do WHATEVER YOU WANT on them. I happen to be rather fond of those products, but not this formfactor mismatch.
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If OS X had been released today I don't know if that would be the case, unfortunately...
 
v0yce said:
Cool. How many movies does she have on here Kindle. How do those vacation pics look on the eink display. Oh right you have a laptop for those things. So now your packing up your kindle and laptop in her purse.

Its more functional than an ereader. Its a better book reader than a netbook/laptop. You get the idea.

I myself don't have much use for laptops, because I think they suck, of all places, on your lap. I've gotten to where I just keep my iPhone right beside me all the time when I'm in my house, so I don't have to go to my desk when I want to quickly check email, browse web, whatever. I'd love to have a larger screen to do those things. I'd be great on the nightstand.

I'm not saying the thing is perfect or doesn't have plenty of room to grow, but regardless of wether you see it or not, there's a use for a larger iPhone/iPod touch.
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Right, because I need moves everywhere I go. Kindle has one function, the *one* think the iPods and laptops don't do better. I already acknowledged that-- and th eiPad is a huge premium pricewise for that function.

Believe me, I've argued up and down why the iPod and why Macs are worth it. THis thing isn't, unless you are netbook-phobic and/or have a big need for an ereader.
 
Tobor said:
When did I say I was going to buy a keyboard? I don't need it. The option is there for people who do.
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So then does that mean you concede that a netbook is better form factor for a lot of cases and that there is a perfect example of why a netbook is better than an iPad? For example, taking notes in class or working on a school project with people?
 
Smiles and Cries said:
so something no one is talking about what the hell is IPS?
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In-plane switching was developed by Hitachi Ltd. in 1996 to improve on the poor viewing angle and the poor color reproduction of TN panels at that time.[4] Its name comes from the main difference from TN panels, that the crystal molecules move parallel to the panel plane instead of perpendicular to it. This change reduces the amount of light scattering in the matrix, which gives IPS its characteristic wide viewing angles and good color reproduction.[5]
Initial iterations of IPS technology were plagued with slow response time and a low contrast ratio but later evolutions have made marked improvements to these shortcomings. Because of its wide viewing angle and accurate color reproduction (with almost no off-angle color shift), IPS is widely employed in high-end monitors aimed at professional graphic artists, although with the recent fall in price it has been seen in the mainstream market too.[4]
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Marty Chinn said:
So you're advocating packing an iPad and a laptop over a Kindle and a laptop because really the iPad lacks in so many areas that you could possibly need a laptop anyway. Personally I wanted something that merged the best of both worlds between a Kindle and a laptop and the iPad doesn't deliver that. Just because it's out doesn't mean we should settle for it and that is why there is negative reaction.
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Its not a laptop. Its an entertainment/media device. Books, videos, games, web, photos. That's its strenght. And its form has great potential as a presentation tool. I'm sure that's why they got iWork going for it.

I understand the negative reaction. You want a tablet PC. The iPad isn't it. You'll have to wait for something else. But I still see a use for the thing.
 
Im waiting for the 21"

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Smiles and Cries said:
so something no one is talking about what the hell is IPS?
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A technology of LCD screens that is leaps and bounds better than your average TN screens.

It's effectively as good as a screen can get (coupled with LED backlighting) before jumping into OLED land.
 
Does anyone know if there will be a way to annotate PDFs? Specifically with a stylus? That is frankly my primary interest in the iPad...
 
Marty Chinn said:
1) Yes. You can either do it from an app developed by the store or bank or just use the normal web interface

2) There is a MSN Messenger app like Beejive (it does more than just MSN), and I have to assume you can have push notifications on this so you could in theory do that. Still will be a pain to switch between the two IMO, especially since Beejive can take awhile to connect and retreive the messages.
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Thanks. Messenger issue might be a little deal breaker for her... hmmm.
 
lachesis said:
Thanks. Messenger issue might be a little deal breaker for her... hmmm.
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look into the hp slate device. You will sacrifice on ui but it will run any windows application.
 
Marty Chinn said:
So then does that mean you concede that a netbook is better form factor for a lot of cases and that there is a perfect example of why a netbook is better than an iPad? For example, taking notes in class or working on a school project with people?
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no, because although the Samsung NC10 comes close, I haven't found a netbook with a usable touch typing keyboard. Virtual keyboard probably sucks more, but I don't think it'll be night and day.

If the slightly larger 12" CULVs have full sized keyboards, then that's another matter.
 
'Marty Chinn was right' club +1

I just wish that iPad at least had Flash. This thing would rock with Hulu/Netflix Watch Instantly capability.
 
Hitokage said:
Server upgrades won't pay for themselves.
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:lol

Awesome.

I wonder how many of these I'll see on the train/subway. I know people will pay more for aesthetics and form factor, but I think the price is still way too high.
 
Sorta bummed out, I was looking forward to this. I was hoping to buy an iPad rather than a netbook but it fails in my expectations of what such a device should do.

No multitasking is a joke, no flash is a joke. I was hoping for a game changer in terms of iPhone and iPod level, people will buy Apple.
 
FLEABttn said:
If you want to argue that flash shouldn't be a plugin installed by default, sure.

If you want to argue that a device with one of it's main points being able to surf the web, and then not allowing flash period, that's just idiotic.
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The Web is one of the only things that has been given to the world. It's purpose is to communicate related information using technology that isn't controlled by any single entity, but developed by everyone.

Flash is a technology that has become a (and was originally developed) "standard" to fill a visual, aural and interactive niche. If the same attention had been applied to focused web-standards, back in the 90's, we wouldn't have this nearly proprietary technology controlled by one company without any checks and balances other than people not buying their stuff.

There should be nothing like that that is so embedded to what so many people think is essential, controlled by a company that is only interested in the bottom line.

Anyway, this isn't an argument for open-source software. Something as universal as the Web should only be primarily powered by stuff that's open. I don't care if there a plug-in alternatives and extensibility, but plug-ins shouldn't be required to get to content.

The fact that sites like Hulu must rely on proprietary technology is a joke in the industry, but it certainly lines the pockets of former Macromedia and now, Adobe.

Apple has big cojones to keep on this track. I applaud them just for it, even if a bit of it is self-serving.
 
lachesis said:
Thanks. Messenger issue might be a little deal breaker for her... hmmm.
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If I were you, I'd just wait and see. You could also make a list of specifications you'd want the replacement to have and then select a suitable model based on that.

-F.
 
Marty Chinn said:
So then does that mean you concede that a netbook is better form factor for a lot of cases and that there is a perfect example of why a netbook is better than an iPad? For example, taking notes in class or working on a school project with people?
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For the love of Pete, no. I think having the keyboard be optional is superior. For consumers who will never need it, they don't buy it. For consumers that do need it, they can buy one. The first thing Asus and Acer will start copying from this design is optional bluetooth keyboards.

Do you concede that having a keyboard permanently attached to your display is inferior for reading ebooks?
 
Oh here's another avenue I think that hasn't been touched on. This thing weighs 1.5 pounds right? I don't know about anyone else, but that's kinda heavy compared to a book or a Kindle or a Nook and that I would imagine put strain on the wrist for extended reading periods. Might not be so ideal for an eReader either.
 
What a dissapointing product. It's like a $640 kindle that you have to pay $15 a month for - since I already have an iphone that's really the only new feature I would want.
 
Landscape mode on iPad Homescreen is sexy.
I hope there's grid options and maybe (*stretch*) a CandyBar app so that I can change that dock w/o jailbreaking.
 
I've only just dipped into the thread and am still catching up. So far I gotto say I'm underwhelmed. But that's cos of my own expectations. I was expecting revolution. I figured the "tablet market" (whatever the hell that is) was wide open for the taking and everyone would be left in Apple's wake. Tbh I'm glad it hasn't happened. C'mon somebody, leave your competitors in your wake. I want revolution dammit.
 
Tobor said:
For the love of Pete, no. I think having the keyboard be optional is superior. For consumers who will never need it, they don't buy it. For consumers that do need it, they can buy one. The first thing Asus and Acer will start copying from this design is optional bluetooth keyboards.

Do you concede that having a keyboard permanently attached to your display is inferior for reading ebooks?
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Yes, that's why I prefer a Nook over a Kindle :D
 
huha said:
I hate the "political reasons" argument. Why are they doing that? They're most likely actively denying their customers support for flash, for which they should be shunned. Adobe doesn't really make quality products, and I'm not a fan of flash, but citing political reasons is just so incredibly cheap.

Still, I wonder how it'll sell. Adding multi-tasking support should be their #1 priority, because I still think it's pretty much useless without it. The power it has to offer should be sufficient, unless all of it is blown on making it look slick and pretty.

-F.
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I certainly hate the argument as well. It may indirectly push the Web in the right direction, but Apple is doing it in favor of control and QuickTime.

Companies are self-serving, but this will actually have a greater benefit than having to rely on Flash as a "standard" Web technology.

Hope multi-tasking is in 4.0 :-)
 
Teddman said:
'Marty Chinn was right' club +1

I just wish that iPad at least had Flash. This thing would rock with Hulu/Netflix Watch Instantly capability.
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netflix uses silverlight. I expect a netflix app sooner rather than later though.
 
Massa said:
I was hoping this would have real Mac OS X. Turns out it's nothing more than an iPod Touch XL and personally I don't need or want that.

I don't get why anyone with an iPod Touch/iPhone and a MacBook would want this.
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It's a media device..portable

Don't see what's so hard to understand?
 
I kinda feel like this is to tablets as the Macbook Air was/is to laptops. Missing too much functionality.
 
slider said:
I've only just dipped into the thread and am still catching up. So far I gotto say I'm underwhelmed. But that's cos of my own expectations. I was expecting revolution. I figured the "tablet market" (whatever the hell that is) was wide open for the taking and everyone would be left in Apple's wake. Tbh I'm glad it hasn't happened. C'mon somebody, leave your competitors in your wake. I want revolution dammit.
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I think this thing will be a huge pull for normal non tech savy people. We might not like it but a large majority of users love the concept of the boxed in app store centric device.
 
Ferrio said:
And I don't just mean giving me root. I mean being able to install other os's on it etc.
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So, what's the point in doing that? The Ipad is underwhelming, but using an OS not optimized for it will be a real pain. You could try Android and have multi-tasking, but then you won't have multi-touch. And you never know how many features will be supported, so it's quite a gamble.

-F.
 
Marty Chinn said:
Oh here's another avenue I think that hasn't been touched on. This thing weighs 1.5 pounds right? I don't know about anyone else, but that's kinda heavy compared to a book or a Kindle or a Nook and that I would imagine put strain on the wrist for extended reading periods. Might not be so ideal for an eReader either.
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Yeah that could be a problem. I do most of my readig lying down.

I finnit funny after all the "what good is a tablet for other than rowsing on the toilet" and "nobody reads anmore anyway", that thatbis exactly what the ipad is.

That where my disappointment is. I thinnbi will still get one though, as I actually like the device.
 
MThanded said:
netflix uses silverlight. I expect a netflix app sooner rather than later though.
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But silverlight is Microsoft. Apple won't support that.

Teddman said:
'Marty Chinn was right' club +1

I just wish that iPad at least had Flash. This thing would rock with Hulu/Netflix Watch Instantly capability.
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Heh thanks. Honestly though, I was hoping I was really wrong and that Apple would have surprised me. But I'm glad to know that what I thought was reasonable speculation wasn't just out of nowhere and that there was merit to what I was saying at the time.
 
Ferrio said:
And I don't just mean giving me root. I mean being able to install other os's on it etc.
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I expect this thing to be a modders playpen. Definitely think we will see another OS on this thing sooner rather than later.
 
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