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[Shogmaster]

Er...sure, if I'm a photographer on a road trip. And I want the extra .5-1lb to carry?

I need a tablet with great brightness that I can afford to leave on and let sleep without it outright dying once a day. My iPhone can do that, but there's just no way in hell that my old X41t could. And that's with the 8-cell battery in "conserve" mode.

I was using one of those Kohjinsha mini's for awhile...3 hours, tops. Really. Hopefully Intel has performance per watt figured out, but I can't say I've seen anything to make me hopeful.

Comparing ARM and X86 is rather foolish. For instance, one is powerful enough to do Flash, but other runs a lot cooler and longer. If you are carrying around a 10" device, then you're already carrying a bag. Is a spare battery gonna break your back/shoulder?

BTW, my current HP 2730p is hella lot brighter than my old R25, and it gets me 10 hours with a slice battery. So you can get long battery life these days on X86 tablets. X41 goes back to the days of Pentium M. That's ancient history in computer terms.

Sure, and probably will run it fine providing it's running ION or Tegra.

You don't need ION to run Flash. Sure, you won't be doing full screen Flash on Atoms, but you can do Flash in a window with Atom

BTW, Tegra is ARM based and so no Flash.

Not confident at all about it for regular Windows app use, especially if they try to put a regular hard drive in there.

I wouldn't do a full rendering or batch convert RAW files with it, but I can confidently do basic editing on Photoshop no problem.

That's refreshing.

There was several Windows slates that had capacitive multitouch this year, thanks to Wacom introducing their 6th Gen touch panels there.

A month? Mainly just demo models. Seems to be the same old hunt-and-peck stylus stuff, which obviously doesn't work when you hit small screens with high DPI.

You can easily set the display settings for bigger icons, handles, boxes, fonts, etc...

Handwriting recognition still doesn't work for me at all (convinced nobody has ever bothered to model left-handed writing).

TIP doesn't care which handed you are. TIP does care that you write in normalish manner. If you write in cursive backwards, it will be all confused for sure, but if you write normally, it gets it frighteningly right.

Also, if you're relying on HWR, you didn't get the point at all. You can search your handwritten scribbles. The point is to leave things in your native handwriting.

I do see from a screengrab on the MS website of the media center interface though...how did that turn out? The pro install on the X200T I was using didn't have it (or maybe I just couldn't find it...)

Logistically I was just comparing how, say, the core W7 interface isn't nearly as usable with a pen, as, say, Sketchbook Pro.

Hold down and flick interface only goes so far. One of the reasons why SBP is such a simple and limited program. Sometimes, you just need more conventional dialog boxes and such when the complexity of the app is increased.

 

[Mr. Dobalina]

What a dissapointing product. It's like a $640 kindle that you have to pay $15 a month for - since I already have an iphone that's really the only new feature I would want.

:lol

Actually, it's like a Kindle DX + $10 without being able to download without WiFi - only you can do about 1000X more on it. No poo-pooing the Kindle because it's better as a pure e-reader, but side by side the value is silly.

 

[mrkgoo]

I kinda feel like this is to tablets as the Macbook Air was/is to laptops. Missing too much functionality.

I can see that. That said I really wanted a MacBook air too. The only limitig factor was price. It's not in thecase of the ipad.

 

[harSon]

Server upgrades won't pay for themselves.

Fistful?!

 

[MThanded]

http://www.forbes.com/2010/01/27/amazon-ipad-apple-technology-cio-network-kindle.html

I feel better.

article is flawed. The added functionality is worth more than the price difference.

Seriously if the author doesn't understand that then they should not have even written the article.

 

[Mecha_Infantry]

What a dissapointing product. It's like a $640 kindle that you have to pay $15 a month for - since I already have an iphone that's really the only new feature I would want.

You don't NEED to pay for anything per month..Oh yea, a kindle has a videeo, book, itunes store inbuilt with abilities to check your main or ipod. Some of you guys are terrible

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

But silverlight is Microsoft. Apple won't support that.



Heh thanks. Honestly though, I was hoping I was really wrong and that Apple would have surprised me. But I'm glad to know that what I thought was reasonable speculation wasn't just out of nowhere and that there was merit to what I was saying at the time.

Really? Then whatabout this?

http://mashable.com/2009/11/27/silverlight-iphone/

Microsoft Demos Silverlight on the iPhone
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iphonesilverlightLast week at the Professional Developer’s Conference, Microsoft showed off the first developer beta of Silverlight 4, which includes support for Google’s Chrome browser.

It turns out that Chrome isn’t the only competitor’s product with Silverlight in its future though. Betanews interviewed a Microsoft manager who revealed — and showed off — Silverlight video streaming on the iPhone.

What’s even more interesting is that this wasn’t a skunkworks proof-of-concept project, Microsoft got the OK from Apple. This is in stark-contrast to Apple’s stance on Adobe Flash, which currently has plans for all mobile platforms except for the iPhone.

 

[MThanded]

Really? Then whatabout this?

http://mashable.com/2009/11/27/silverlight-iphone/

Microsoft Demos Silverlight on the iPhone
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iphonesilverlightLast week at the Professional Developer’s Conference, Microsoft showed off the first developer beta of Silverlight 4, which includes support for Google’s Chrome browser.

It turns out that Chrome isn’t the only competitor’s product with Silverlight in its future though. Betanews interviewed a Microsoft manager who revealed — and showed off — Silverlight video streaming on the iPhone.

What’s even more interesting is that this wasn’t a skunkworks proof-of-concept project, Microsoft got the OK from Apple. This is in stark-contrast to Apple’s stance on Adobe Flash, which currently has plans for all mobile platforms except for the iPhone.

I will eat my words. Personally I would love to see it on the device. Netflix streaming is great and I use it all the time. This would eat into video sales like nobodies business.

 

[Marty Chinn]

Really? Then whatabout this?

http://mashable.com/2009/11/27/silverlight-iphone/

Microsoft Demos Silverlight on the iPhone
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iphonesilverlightLast week at the Professional Developer’s Conference, Microsoft showed off the first developer beta of Silverlight 4, which includes support for Google’s Chrome browser.

It turns out that Chrome isn’t the only competitor’s product with Silverlight in its future though. Betanews interviewed a Microsoft manager who revealed — and showed off — Silverlight video streaming on the iPhone.

What’s even more interesting is that this wasn’t a skunkworks proof-of-concept project, Microsoft got the OK from Apple. This is in stark-contrast to Apple’s stance on Adobe Flash, which currently has plans for all mobile platforms except for the iPhone.

I stand corrected. Thanks for pointing that out. I guess Netflix has a good shot then.

 

[Brera]

Im waiting for the 21"

That looks awesome!

I'm a sucker, I'll most likely end up buying an iPad. Most likely someone will hack it for multitasking but my mind is running wild on what would have been possible with a multitouch, multitasking iPad!

It would have been Minority Report in my pants!

 

[MThanded]

Also those worrying about book prices, I bet we will see an updated kindle app soon .

That looks awesome!

I'm a sucker, I'll most likely end up buying an iPad. Most likely someone will hack it for multitasking but my mind is running wild on what would have been possible with a multitouch, multitasking iPad!

It would have been Minority Report in my pants!

I was pretty sure this was multitouch...

 

[Sqorgar]

The iPhoneOS 3.2 SDK beta beta has some really interesting additions. Unfortunately, it's covered by NDA, so I can't discuss it. I think a door of possibilities is about to be opened for the platform.

 

[peacebyanymeans]

FEEL IT IN YOUR HAND.

(btw, whoever wants that for an avatar can have it)

 

[Teddman]

http://www.forbes.com/2010/01/27/amazon-ipad-apple-technology-cio-network-kindle.html

I feel better.

Yeah, the mainstay Kindle 2 and its 6-inch successors will come out of the iPad launch just fine. Especially if Amazon is smart and drops it to $199 quick.

The Kindle DX however, is in a tight spot and will need a drastic price drop or redesign to survive.

 

[anovice]

:lol Poor guy.

 

[MThanded]

The iPhoneOS 3.2 SDK beta beta has some really interesting additions. Unfortunately, it's covered by NDA, so I can't discuss it. I think a door of possibilities is about to be opened for the platform.

Personally I think that is one of the dumbest moves by apple. NDAing the sdk... Even the apple fanboy in me cant get behind that.

 

[Stabby89]

Damn it, is this a US-only product? I don't see the iPad on the European websites.

 

[Tobor]

Silverlight, huh. I will eat my "proprietary formats are bad" comment. I beg forgiveness, except to Marty. I still don't want a keyboard.

 

[Marty Chinn]

For the record, here are the weights of each device:

Kindle 10.2 oz
Kindle DX 18.9 oz
Nook 12.2 oz
iPad 25.6 oz

The iPad sounds pretty heavy to think about it being twice as much as the Nook that I'm holding on to now. I think the Nook is borderline heavy as is.

 

[Buckethead]

So I assume that this won't be able to link with an iMac/MacBook/Mac Pro?

Even if it were just a keyboard that'd be pretty awesome. Move aside Optimus keyboard that never really happened.

 

[MThanded]

For the record, here are the weights of each device:

Kindle 10.2 oz
Kindle DX 18.9 oz
Nook 12.2 oz
iPad 25.6 oz

The iPad sounds pretty heavy to think about it being twice as much as the Nook that I'm holding on to now. I think the Nook is borderline heavy as is.

I am still debating whether to get a nook. How is it with pdfs? More specifically pdfs with diagrams.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

This thing really screams "wait for revisions/upgrades/updates" to me. =x

Ditto. Many of my complaints may well be gone with later versions/optional apps.

Like those infamous early iPod hating posts from when it was first released, when 2/3s of the complaints were legitimate, and revved away in later models.

 

[Darko]

FEEL IT IN YOUR HAND.

(btw, whoever wants that for an avatar can have it)

:lol dibs

 

[Boonoo]

article is flawed. The added functionality is worth more than the price difference.

Seriously if the author doesn't understand that then they should not have even written the article.

It isn't if all you want is an ebook reader. And if we're talking blanket functionality in this general device price range (iPad, e-book readers, netbooks) the net book always wins.

 

[Barrett2]

No camera + no multitasking + no Hulu make this a failed product for me. Lame.

 

[Crazymoogle]

:lol Oh c'mon now.

I really love that monitor (I use one myself) but I'm not sure what the point of pretending it's a 22" iPad is. :lol

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I kinda feel like this is to tablets as the Macbook Air was/is to laptops. Missing too much functionality.

I'll defend the Air over this any time. I used one for the better part of a year, and I still miss its lightweight "not even there" presence. If you don't need enough memory for virtual machines, it's excellent.

 

[Buckethead]

No camera + no multitasking + no Hulu make this a failed product for me. Lame.

No worries, Comcast will release the Hulu iPhone/iPad subscription based app.
Only $9.99 per month!

I hate Comcast. Ugh.

 

[MThanded]

Ditto. Many of my complaints may well be gone with later versions/optional apps.

Like those infamous early iPod hating posts from when it was first released, when 2/3s of the complaints were legitimate, and revved away in later models.

I still have ipod touch v1 and never had any problems.

 

[SnakeXs]

I also feel like people are wildly overlooking the App Store, yet again. Seeing the NY Times app, and all the power this thing has... I'm expecting some killer things.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

So how long until someone mods it to look like a Star Trek PADD?

 

[NomarTyme]

No worries, Comcast will release the Hulu iPhone/iPad subscription based app.
Only $9.99 per month!

I hate Comcast. Ugh.

What? fo real?:lol

 

[Marty Chinn]

I am still debating whether to get a nook. How is it with pdfs? More specifically pdfs with diagrams.

I've only barely touched it with PDFs so far, but from what I can tell, it's great for text, but not so great for images as there's no easy way to scale them. What's nice is it does take the text and allows you to change its size and font for easier reading. So sounds like not for you then. I think this is an area where eReaders need to mature which is why I'm still holding out.

 

[avaya]

I do believe the mobile computing world will belong to Google/Microsoft, since when you begin to factor in the need to do office work it's not going to be a contest.

Waiting for the Android devices. Ideally I would need it to actually support net video + multi-task. If this thing had osx it would be interesting. Right now it's...I don't even know what it is.

iPod had reasoning behind it, first mp3 player with hard drive that didn't look like a POS. iPhone has reasoning behind it prior to any app hysteria. Everyone carried an iPod + cellphone. iPhone is the next logical step.

This? What is this?

Already have an iPhone for pissing around with. This is just a giant waste of time. Wanted something for betfair + internet video or online trading + internet video. Doesn't cut the mustard. Which is pretty shocking.

 

[Tobor]

I also feel like people are wildly overlooking the App Store, yet again. Seeing the NY Times app, and all the power this thing has... I'm expecting some killer things.

Agreed, though the games were really underwhelming. They need to show games designed ground up for the iPad. Where are the obvious, like board games and strategy?

 

[will27]

Whens the entire press conference going to be posted?

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I still have ipod touch v1 and never had any problems.

Biggest complaints were cost, capacity and battery. One of those is certainly solved by now! And if the other two don't bother you, fine-- but they were real and legitimate complaints, especially when the device was $400-$500.

 

[bengraven]

They did for me when I bought one for my wife last year and they dropped the price 3 weeks later. Never hurts to ask and they usually take care of you. Especially if you order from Amazon a lot.

Hell, they'd just need to give me the extra money, up to 100 dollars, in Amazon credit and I'd turn around and spend it on e-books. Win/win for them.

 

[Buckethead]

What? fo real?:lol

The Hulu app has been done for awhile and many speculated it's because of a subscription service.

 

[anovice]

Really? Then whatabout this?

http://mashable.com/2009/11/27/silverlight-iphone/

Microsoft Demos Silverlight on the iPhone
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iphonesilverlightLast week at the Professional Developer’s Conference, Microsoft showed off the first developer beta of Silverlight 4, which includes support for Google’s Chrome browser.

It turns out that Chrome isn’t the only competitor’s product with Silverlight in its future though. Betanews interviewed a Microsoft manager who revealed — and showed off — Silverlight video streaming on the iPhone.

What’s even more interesting is that this wasn’t a skunkworks proof-of-concept project, Microsoft got the OK from Apple. This is in stark-contrast to Apple’s stance on Adobe Flash, which currently has plans for all mobile platforms except for the iPhone.

The rest of the article should really be read.

The iPhone isn't playing proprietary FLV formats and it certainly isn't going to do it in the browser, unless it is requested to serve what the iPhone can support, and that's an open video standard - which should be accessible to anything that takes advantage of modern, open Web standards and emerging Web standards.

Then, using HTML 5’s <video> tag, Silverlight is able to communicate a QuickTime request to the IIS server, which then decodes the MPEG-2 v8 file dynamically and starts streaming it to the iPhone.

Hulu and Netflix can make their own apps, but it would have to serve a media type the iPhone supports. It's against their policy to allow other runtimes on Mobile OSX... Silverlight, Flash, etc.

 

[Mecha_Infantry]

So I assume that this won't be able to link with an iMac/MacBook/Mac Pro?

Even if it were just a keyboard that'd be pretty awesome. Move aside Optimus keyboard that never really happened.

It has a connection to a mac, yes

 

[mrklaw]

So I assume that this won't be able to link with an iMac/MacBook/Mac Pro?

Even if it were just a keyboard that'd be pretty awesome. Move aside Optimus keyboard that never really happened.

You can do that now with an ipod touch with something like rowmote, airmouse or Jaadu VNC, so almost certainly you coudl do that on the ipad.

It'd make a great home automation remote, with the added benefit of being able to eg watch a movie trailer before deciding what to watch.

 

[SnakeXs]

Agreed, though the games were really underwhelming. They need to show games designed ground up for the iPad. Where are the obvious, like board games and strategy?

Well 2 weeks time isn't much at all, but yeah that was definitely the low point of the show. The joy of staying super secretive is you can't demo third party support well so early on.

I do believe the mobile computing world will belong to Google/Microsoft, since when you begin to factor in the need to do office work it's not going to be a contest.

Waiting for the Android devices. Ideally I would need it to actually support net video + multi-task. If this thing had osx it would be interesting. Right now it's...I don't even know what it is.

iPod had reasoning behind it, first mp3 player with hard drive that didn't look like a POS. iPhone has reasoning behind it prior to any app hysteria. Everyone carried an iPod + cellphone. iPhone is the next logical step.

This? What is this?

Already have an iPhone for pissing around with. This is just a giant waste of time. Wanted something for betfair + internet video or online trading + internet video. Doesn't cut the mustard. Which is pretty shocking.

To make a little connection, the iPod was the first mp3 player with good software. Even back then some people said it was limited, yet it struck a nerve because people enjoyed using it.

I wonder what that sounds like... Hmm.

Also, hasn't a Hulu app been on its way forever now?

 

[MThanded]

I think this device is actually perfect for me however I understand its pitfalls.

Lemme give you my situation. I am a PhD student who reads a lot of research papers(pdfs). For the last few months I have been searching for an ereader that could handle pdfs correctly so that I could view text and diagrams with ease. As far as I know none of them are really great at handling pdfs. I have heard the only way to zoom in on pdfs on the kindle is to turn it to landscape mode and thats not going to work for me.

Anyone agree that this would be a good device for my needs? Everyone in this thread shitting on the device is not helping my purchasing decision. :lol

Edit:I would buy the 500 dollar one and wifi tether to my htc hero. No 3g needed here.

 

[NomarTyme]

I think this device is actually perfect for me however I understand its pitfalls.

Lemme give you my situation. I am a PhD student who reads a lot of research papers(pdfs). For the last few months I have been searching for an ereader that could handle pdfs correctly so that I could view text and diagrams with ease. As far as I know none of them are really great at handling pdfs. I have heard the only way to zoom in on pdfs on the kindle is to turn it to landscape mode and thats not going to work for me.

Anyone agree that this would be a good device for my needs? Everyone in this thread shitting on the device is not helping my purchasing decision. :lol

Just pre-order it, dude.

The Hulu app has been done for awhile and many speculated it's because of a subscription service.

I wouldn't doubt then.

 

[Cereal KiIIer]

I wanted to buy this so bad but I just cannnot... I already have a 14' Lenovo laptop that is small enough to carry around and offer up to 12h of realistic life with a 12 cell battery (T400)

My iPhone does all this thing do, only less convenient because of the screen size.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

I think this device is actually perfect for me however I understand its pitfalls.

Lemme give you my situation. I am a PhD student who reads a lot of research papers(pdfs). For the last few months I have been searching for an ereader that could handle pdfs correctly so that I could view text and diagrams with ease. As far as I know none of them are really great at handling pdfs. I have heard the only way to zoom in on pdfs on the kindle is to turn it to landscape mode and thats not going to work for me.

Anyone agree that this would be a good device for my needs? Everyone in this thread shitting on the device is not helping my purchasing decision. :lol

Edit:I would buy the 500 dollar one and wifi tether to my htc hero. No 3g needed here.

For your needs? Probably a good fit. For me? I am waiting until the revision to see what Apple has in store.

 

[MThanded]

Biggest complaints were cost, capacity and battery. One of those is certainly solved by now! And if the other two don't bother you, fine-- but they were real and legitimate complaints, especially when the device was $400-$500.

battery? I use my ipod constantly and have never had any battery issues,

 

[avaya]

To make a little connection, the iPod was the first mp3 player with good software. Even back then some people said it was limited, yet it struck a nerve because people enjoyed using it.

I wonder what that sounds like... Hmm.

An iPhone?

This thing? What is the market for it exactly? You are going to replace your laptop? What happens to office?

As has been said in the thread before, you will make compromises for a phone.

You will not make compromises for this.

What I wanted wasn't even really setting the bar high. I want multitasking and ability to play flash/embedded video. Is that so hard? Yet it fails miserably.

 

[Tobor]

An iPhone?

This thing? What is the market for it exactly? You are going to replace your laptop? What happens to office?

As has been said in the thread before, you will make compromises for a phone.

You will not make compromises for this.

What I wanted wasn't even really setting the bar high. I want multitasking and ability to play flash/embedded video. Is that so hard? Yet it fails miserably.

Why does it have to replace anything? There are valid use cases for a supplemental device.