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DieH@rd said:
Here is the alternative, its not lightning fast as iPass but it will get job done.

Touch Book by Always Inovating
http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/
product-main-2.png

Video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tisD1FOEpfU

Specs:
9.7" x 7" x 1.3" for around 3 lbs (with keyboard)
600Mhz ARM Texas Instruments OMAP3 chip
1024x600 8.9" screen
512MB RAM - 8GB SD card for storage
Wifi 802.11 b/g/n and Bluetooth
3-dimensional accelerometer
Speakers, micro and headphone I/O
7 USB 2.0 (4 internal, 3 external)
10 hours of battery life

Its a little thick [YOU CAN INSERT USB FLASH DISK INSIDE ITS CASE!!!!! WHOOO! ], but it can run AI OS, Ubuntu, Android, and soon it will run Google OS and Maemo.

300$ for base device, +100$ for keyboard

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DieH@rd said:
Here is the alternative, its not lightning fast as iPass but it will get job done.

Touch Book by Always Inovating
http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/
product-main-2.png

Video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tisD1FOEpfU

Specs:
9.7" x 7" x 1.3" for around 3 lbs (with keyboard)
600Mhz ARM Texas Instruments OMAP3 chip
1024x600 8.9" screen
512MB RAM - 8GB SD card for storage
Wifi 802.11 b/g/n and Bluetooth
3-dimensional accelerometer
Speakers, micro and headphone I/O
7 USB 2.0 (4 internal, 3 external)
10 hours of battery life

Its a little thick [YOU CAN INSERT USB FLASH DISK INSIDE ITS CASE!!!!! WHOOO! ], but it can run AI OS, Ubuntu, Android, and soon it will run Google OS and Maemo.

300$ for base device, +100$ for keyboard

That's kinda cool, although in elegant.

Anyway, my main criteria for the iPad were to not have contract, be unlocked (but it looks like I won;t be getting a 3G version anyway), but also have a good syncing solution with my main computer. Most netbooks for me probably mean I have to somehow drag stuff, over to it right? Manage separate libraries of media? That wouldn't work for me. I want all my devices to speak to each other about what's going on.

I guess cloud is the only real option, but I actually like having to tether an iPad to my computer.
 
shaft said:
disappointing.

Apple should have shown killer apps which makes the tablet special. iWorks is OK but not quite.

Yup. I would have settled for one awesome iPad only app. iWorks wasnt doin it for me

Still, I think it probably works as smooth as the iPhone, and sells itself when you play with it
 
EVIL said:
first I was like: HNNG!! so bad want!
then I was like: :o

now I am like: D: does not want!

I am betting my money on the microsoft courier as a better product

sorry apple, you lost me here

The courier looks cool in concept, but it sounds very pie in the sky, and if it meets the concepts, likely to be expensive. When is it 'due'? It's possible the iPad could've reached an iteration down the line. Still sounds like very different products to me.

NOt sure I like the idea of exclusive stylus control (i.e. writing out urls) - but that's gotta be just concept.
 
GodfatherX said:
what I would consider reasonable pricing structure
32gb iPad $399
64gb iPad $449

More reasonable? I mean a 64GB iPod touch costs $399. So you expect for $50 more to get a 10" IPS version, with a better processor and more?

Okaaaaay.....

(iPod touch maybe could be cheaper, however). Still.
 
GodfatherX said:
at $599 for a 32gb model you are 2/3 of the entry level macbook with a fully functional os

Come on, for real?

Is this all this is about? Cost:performance ratio? Is that all this is to you? If that's all that matters ever, Apple better just stop now. R&D costs money, better never improve anything, better never make anything new. New costs money. Better not make new designs, designs cost money. Better not make new OS, just make faster cheaper hardware.

Point is - the iPad is not meant to be a MacBook. It's a different device, with a different interface, and a different purpose.


Look, I have a MacBook (pro). The iPad looks like a neat novel device to play with. A new way to experience my media. It looks fun.

But because it's so close to being a MacBook, I should just buy another MacBook instead? How does that make sense?
 
mrkgoo said:
The courier looks cool in concept, but it sounds very pie in the sky, and if it meets the concepts, likely to be expensive. When is it 'due'? It's possible the iPad could've reached an iteration down the line. Still sounds like very different products to me.

NOt sure I like the idea of exclusive stylus control (i.e. writing out urls) - but that's gotta be just concept.
I think Balmer has denied that this was in development and said it was just a concept, though I may be mixing this up with their rumored smart phone.
 
The media fawning over this is incredible. Front page of the The Telegraph here, nearly a whole page dedicated to it (on the page facing you immediately when you open the paper) in the Irish Times. Waxing lyrical about breaking open 'several new markets' etc. etc.

I think like a lot of you, I just don't get what's so amazing about it. It is very much like a iPod Touch with a bigger screen. I fail to see what it's doing that's so amazing compared to other tablets announced at CES for example.

The attention Apple commands among journos, literally the spell they can cast over the media, is something money can't buy. I'd say a lot of other companies are very despondent at the heralding Apple's stuff gets. A magical device indeed.

From my point of view it makes me quite cynical about the media and the tech media though - it just seems like there's a huge herd mentality there when it comes to Apple stuff about who can write the most gushing praise or given the most column inches. It's sort of a sad state of affairs.
 
It would be good if I could stream all media from a networked hard drive whilst at home that way I wouldn't have to bother with a 64 gb version but it doesn't multi-task so I'd be stuck with iTunes.

No matter how hard I try to jusify this product to myself there are many problems with it (no 16:9 form factor and a lack of a camera being two more) so I'm going to wait for the next version.
 
holy donkey balls at the Courier. That video makes it look insane. Two screens though makes it sound like it'll be 400+ for sure. Though I would buy that at 500.

I can see the iPad's appeal and have purposefully left myself out of this thread. I think it will revolutionize lounge usage (just pick up and go with no hassle) but for more practical uses (business or school) the lack of multi processes makes it a bit of a dud. Also, no flash kills a bit of the couch browsing appeal. But still, very solid.

I love iBook and the interface. Took a bit for me to finally say that (cause Im fairly sure I don't have the cash right now for the iPad) but I can see how this could make one sexy e-reader. If you could just all your stuff (Mags, Books, RSS) in one place/app that would be amazing and might finally just make me jump in on the cheap non 3G.

All in all, I can see this being a very nice e-reader that includes movie watching and internet capabilities. Like so nice the non 3G ones actually make sense to buy. Having the 3G is a bit useless I thought since I am often doing work and I have a browser open while I'm taking notes or reading a textbook. Streaming music in the background would be nice. But I can't do that so why have 3G with the expensive data plan. So as a tablet it kind of fails (offers very basic features) but as a souped up e-reader it is great.
 
gofreak said:
The media fawning over this is incredible. Front page of the The Telegraph here, nearly a whole page dedicated to it (on the page facing you immediately when you open the paper) in the Irish Times. Waxing lyrical about breaking open 'several new markets' etc. etc.

I think like a lot of you, I just don't get what's so amazing about it. It is very much like a iPod Touch with a bigger screen. I fail to see what it's doing that's so amazing compared to other tablets announced at CES for example.

The attention Apple commands among journos, literally the spell they can cast over the media, is something money can't buy. I'd say a lot of other companies are very despondent at the heralding Apple's stuff gets. A magical device indeed.

From my point of view it makes me quite cynical about the media and the tech media though - it just seems like there's a huge herd mentality there when it comes to Apple stuff about who can write the most gushing praise or given the most column inches. It's sort of a sad state of affairs.

I think this just says more about you (or rather, people on an internet forum). The general public aren't aware of other tablet devices. The newspapers report to those people. Those people may be wowed. If you want journalism more akin to your tastes, check out engadget, gizmodo and the like, most who are underwhelmed.
 
EVIL said:
first I was like: HNNG!! so bad want!
then I was like: :o

now I am like: D: does not want!

I am betting my money on the microsoft courier as a better product

sorry apple, you lost me here

That is why they should have had the pre orders ready today. People are going to come to their senses.
 
mrkgoo said:
Come on, for real?

Is this all this is about? Cost:performance ratio? Is that all this is to you? If that's all that matters ever, Apple better just stop now. R&D costs money, better never improve anything, better never make anything new. New costs money. Better not make new designs, designs cost money. Better not make new OS, just make faster cheaper hardware.

Point is - the iPad is not meant to be a MacBook. It's a different device, with a different interface, and a different purpose.


Look, I have a MacBook (pro). The iPad looks like a neat novel device to play with. A new way to experience my media. It looks fun.

But because it's so close to being a MacBook, I should just buy another MacBook instead? How does that make sense?

I think the fact that you explained it like that is kind of the problem. I don't want something that is cool to play with because its a different experience. I want it to give me something I wanted with something I never knew I wanted and put it in an enjoyable experience.

Something over 250 dollars can no longer be something like a "novel device". And an expensive novel device shouldn't be qualified by it being "fun" haha.

I'm curious as to your opinion on what I wrote above on it being more of a great e-reader than a Tablet.
 
mrkgoo said:
Come on, for real?

Is this all this is about? Cost:performance ratio? Is that all this is to you? If that's all that matters ever, Apple better just stop now. R&D costs money, better never improve anything, better never make anything new. New costs money. Better not make new designs, designs cost money. Better not make new OS, just make faster cheaper hardware.

Point is - the iPad is not meant to be a MacBook. It's a different device, with a different interface, and a different purpose.


Look, I have a MacBook (pro). The iPad looks like a neat novel device to play with. A new way to experience my media. It looks fun.

But because it's so close to being a MacBook, I should just buy another MacBook instead? How does that make sense?
no, you, like myself and the majority of others in that situation should/will continue to use their mbp/iphone as the ipad doesn't fill any void between the two nor seem like a logical choice for anyone looking foran actual portable device. I think the pricing, iphone os, and storage will make this a niche product

i love apple, I have 2 iphones, an ipod classic, and a macbook pro on my desk, I have no need or use for this device
 
That video on the Apple site is so outrageously smug it's hilarious. I would have loved to have sat in for the product meetings for the Ipad must have been a hoot.
 
Do we have any word on UK pricing yet? Im guessing around £450 for the base model. I think its really quite dissapointing. It is just coming across as a big iPod touch that you cant use in public cos some twat'd slice your throat for it
 
Burger said:
Reminds me of the bit Louis C.K. did on Letterman:

"People always moaning about how their flight was delayed, had to taxi on the runway for 20 minutes, the food on the plane was crap, the seat was uncomfortable, all the while forgetting they are participating in the miracle of flight! In a chair! In the sky at 40,000 feet!"

I'm not buying a iPad, I don't need one, but even I can't deny that this thing will be huge.
Nothing this does hasn't been done before, sure it's slick (as expected) but this will not be another iPod. This device does not create a new space, it sits uncomfortably between two.
 
gofreak said:
The media fawning over this is incredible. Front page of the The Telegraph here, nearly a whole page dedicated to it (on the page facing you immediately when you open the paper) in the Irish Times. Waxing lyrical about breaking open 'several new markets' etc. etc.

I think like a lot of you, I just don't get what's so amazing about it. It is very much like a iPod Touch with a bigger screen. I fail to see what it's doing that's so amazing compared to other tablets announced at CES for example.

The attention Apple commands among journos, literally the spell they can cast over the media, is something money can't buy. I'd say a lot of other companies are very despondent at the heralding Apple's stuff gets. A magical device indeed.

From my point of view it makes me quite cynical about the media and the tech media though - it just seems like there's a huge herd mentality there when it comes to Apple stuff about who can write the most gushing praise or given the most column inches. It's sort of a sad state of affairs.

Just to report on the so-called 'fawning':

Engadget:
"...for the vast majority of consumers, I think the case for the iPad has yet to be made."
"For me, in a nutshell, the iPad is a larger screen iPhone with fewer capabilities."
"I can only judge it as a larger iPhone and, well... it's larger"
"...but all this instant negative reaction to the iPad ..."
"If you step out of that context, though, and look at the iPad in a vacuum, does it make sense?
The jury's going to be out for a couple months, but my early feel is that it doesn't."
"That's why I'm disappointed in the product as it stands for my own use."

MacWorld:
"However, there are two show stoppers on the above list that mean I won’t be purchasing the first-generation iPad. Without those two things at least, I will be reaching for the laptop more often than not."

Gizmodo:
"The iPad's Onscreen Typing Solution Isn't a Solution At All"
"And Fox Business isn't too impressed with the interface. Brian Sullivan, who is "larger than the average man," complains about not being able to type on the iPad properly because of his big fat thumbs"

Ars technica:
"After a decade of waiting, the Apple tablet is finally here, and reactions across the Internet are mixed, to say the least."
"there's always a bit of widespread deflation after a launch with so much hype behind it; nonetheless, the range of attitudes towards the iPad goes from "it's a great tablet, but I'll have to wait and see about the 'revolution' part," to "I'm so disappointed that it's just a giant iPod touch."
"Missing is the near-universal "Apple has changed the game" sentiment that followed the launch of the iPhone."
" it's hard to see how the iPad is really the no-brainer upgrade over everything else in the world the way that the iPhone was when it was announced."

Hardly fawning, I 'd say.
 
GodfatherX said:
no, you, like myself and the majority of others in that situation should/will continue to use their mbp/iphone as the ipad doesn't fill any void between the two nor seem like a logical choice for anyone looking foran actual portable device. I think the pricing, iphone os, and storage will make this a niche product

i love apple, I have 2 iphones, an ipod classic, and a macbook pro on my desk, I have no need or use for this device

I don't want it for a portable device so much, at least not in the context of going out with it. Maybe for long distance travel. I mostly want it for home.

It may be a niche product - time will tell, but I have no real need either, but I'm still going to get one :)
 
Charred Greyface said:
Meh, that's just a crutch to not offer complete multitasking--it obviously doesn't scale well (unless Apple is going to make something like that jailbreak utility, infinidock). Apple is slipping, if iPhone OS 4.0 doesn't offer a proper multitasking and notifications system then I'll be picking up a WebOS device when my contact ends later this year.

How A Great Product Can Be Bad News: Apple, iPad, and the Closed Mac


I didn't quote half of the article so click the link if you found that bit interesting.

John Gruber was saying today that the iPad doesn't have a filesystem. What nonsense, of course it has a filesystem, you're just prevented from seeing and using it if you so chose.

It's incredulously wrong for anybody to argue that for Apple had to lock down the iPad to make it easy to use. There is such a thing as layer complexity, only revealing the hidden sophisticated features to those who ask. But there is no need to do theoreticals here; there is already a device out that is extremely easy to use, designed for children even, yet incredibly open. While the OLPC program might have failed in fulfilling many of its broader social and political goals, the XO Laptop that it produced is a great device. It has a simplified file system and UI but is still extremely transparent. Heck there is even an app that teaches you how to program! I wonder: if I give my little niece an iPad will she grow to love computers like I do or just become adept at watching movies bought from the iTunes Store?


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Good article. Apple is not the Apple of yesterday. As someone who embraced Apple during the Apple II+ days, much of the direction today is disheartening.

It's really strange lurking in here and seeing Apple fans sound more and more like the IBM/PC people of yesterday. It reminds me so much of those days, seeing people openly embrace such closed systems and make so many excuses for forced limitations. This is not about simplicity or "ecosystem."

The iPad seems like a decent starting point gadget, but seems too caught up with desires to further monetize the app store(s). It really should of been the Mac tablet instead of the iPhone tablet. There is brilliance and failure, on both the hardware and software side of this product.

It does look really sexy though, and I imagine it will be a fun gadget for some.
 
exarkun said:
I think the fact that you explained it like that is kind of the problem. I don't want something that is cool to play with because its a different experience. I want it to give me something I wanted with something I never knew I wanted and put it in an enjoyable experience.

Something over 250 dollars can no longer be something like a "novel device". And an expensive novel device shouldn't be qualified by it being "fun" haha.

I'm curious as to your opinion on what I wrote above on it being more of a great e-reader than a Tablet.

Yup, definitely could be a problem. I don't know how prevalent a personality I am - that is, a 'delusional' Apple Fanboy who is willing to pay a higher price for that little bit of extra 'fun'. Obviously, I'm not the market that needs convincing.

Normally, I'd be wary of a device of this price too, but I have a bit more disposable income this year, so I might splash out.

Besides that anyway, for me it does give me that 'something I didn't know I wanted'. That something is the multitouch experience of my stuff on a larger screen. I can see the potential for the apps. I want to see my photos on it. Movies....hmmm, maybe. Music, not so much.

I see it as a fun thing. After seeing the keynote, they drop 'fun' and 'cool' a lot, but that's just Steve, he's a bit like that.

I did read your opinion when you posted it, and I thought they were really good comments and dead-on. Especially about the tablet vs. nifty e-reader device.

Apple isn't going to let this one go down, though. They will keep it afloat with whatever it takes. Who knows, if the backlash from online is reflected in the general public (we'll see ova re the next few days), they may do something about that. It's going to be interesting to see what the public think.
 
Opus Angelorum said:
I think gofreak meant traditional media, those who don't really know.

I would've figured so too, but he does point out the 'tech media'. If it were just the traditional media, then who cares, we know they already don't know about the other stuff.

Anyway, I'm excited by it, and for me, that's all that matters at the moment. I think people might enjoy it once they use it, but who knows.
 
It will be very interesting as to how Apple respond. I think we can agree the iPad has received the most lukewarm of responses (for an Apple product) in quite some time.
 
tfur said:
Good article. Apple is not the Apple of yesterday. As someone who embraced Apple during the Apple II+ days, much of the direction today is disheartening.

It's really strange lurking in here and seeing Apple fans sound more and more like the IBM/PC people of yesterday. It reminds me so much of those days, seeing people openly embrace such closed systems and make so many excuses for forced limitations. This is not about simplicity or "ecosystem."

The iPad seems like a decent starting point gadget, but seems too caught up with desires to further monetize the app store(s). It really should of been the Mac tablet instead of the iPhone tablet. There is brilliance and failure, on both the hardware and software side of this product.

It does look really sexy though, and I imagine it will be a fun gadget for some.

That is a great article. And you're right too. I'm just too blinded by Apple to see it. I'm a lost cause, though, and since I mostly blabber, few here listen, so I'm free to embrace my own lunacy with little effect.
 
I'll enjoy my iPad browsing the web away from the desk, where a clamshell laptop of any type is too big/cumbersome and an iPhone is too small.
 
Holy Jesus, is the price of the Wi-Fi +3G freakin' expensive. Oh, I'm sure the iPad is cool as hell, but man....+130$ for 3G service over the standard version? Ouch.
 
Opus Angelorum said:
It will be very interesting as to how Apple respond. I think we can agree the iPad has received the most lukewarm of responses (for an Apple product) in quite some time.


Lukewarm. Hmm. It's relative to the hype.

If the iPad has had a lukewarm response, then things like the iPod shuffle (last two updates) must be classed more like 'acidic'.

iPod Phat was not liked (so much so Apple actually went back to the other design).
MacBook Air is very often lauded as too expensive and underpowered.
The latest MacBook is not seen as an enticing option next to the 13" MBP.
The latest iPod touch is not favoured due to the lacking update.

The iPad has only had, not even a day, to judge responses. I'd agree that it has had the more harsher of initial responses compared to the amount of hype, but that's nearly the norm, right? Many of the other products didn't have the same level of hype surrounding the announcement.
 
micster said:
Do we have any word on UK pricing yet? Im guessing around £450 for the base model. I think its really quite dissapointing. It is just coming across as a big iPod touch that you cant use in public cos some twat'd slice your throat for it

No idea but you know we are going to screwed as usual.

I
 
Hopefully in time the OS will become more like Mac OS.

But I see the potential in it, and I do believe it'll be the leader in this market.

Also Apple CPU = Awesome
 
DiatribeEQ said:
Holy Jesus, is the price of the Wi-Fi +3G freakin' expensive. Oh, I'm sure the iPad is cool as hell, but man....+130$ for 3G service over the standard version? Ouch.

Also GPS. Someone pointed out that adding 3G is typically in that range of increase for some computers.
 
Engadget: iPad iBooks will be US-only at launch

Apple Australia just became one of the first international sites to introduce the iPad to its pages. That gives us a pretty good indication of Apple's plans for a global launch: same "late March" ship for Wi-Fi only models and April for 3G models (carrier yet to be announced). Fine, but it's not what we see that has us intrigued so much as what's missing: the iBookstore and any indication of the iBooks app. This doesn't look like an oversight but rather its purposeful removal from any images or feature lists. Guess we shouldn't be too surprised; going back to the press release we see the following: "iBookstore will be available in the US at launch." Seems Apple meant to say, only in the US, eh? Rest easy Bezos, the iPad has a long way to go before it's any competition to the Kindle.
Here's the iPad page for Apple Australia, compared to the US page
 
It works out at £308 for the base model so id say £399 would be fair, but then when is Apple ever fair.

I don't think this thing is going to fail but neither will it reach iPod/iPhone epicness, i can see it being niche like the Macbook Air.
 
I can't wait to get hold of one of these. It's perfect for me, I enjoy browsing on my Ipod Touch but the screen is too small and my next device up would be my media centre laptop with a 21" screen. I was tempted by a netbook but I was ideally holding out for a 10-13" screened Ipod Touch. This seems perfect.

I bought a PSP Go and I adore it, ignore my opinions.
 
I was reacting mostly to the broadsheet media here.

However I dunno if I'd give them a pass because they're 'mainstream media'. They have dedicated tech correspondents who would probably react vociferously if you questioned their geek credentials.
 
definitely not getting a gen 1, I think of all the disappointments the real major ones are no multitasking and the typing interface. Without those two things iPad is really no more functional than an ipod touch and arguably less so than an iphone. And I wonder just how many devs they'll attract to develop apps that are really only doable on the bigger screen when they can release an app thats also compatible on touches/phones and hit a much wider audience for free.

Ultimately I think its half baked from a software stand point and obviously cut to the bare minimum from a hardware standpoint so they could get as close as possible to kindle.

I think sticking with the iphone os so closely is going to ultimately kill this thing.

But who knows, gen 1 always sucks.
 
gofreak said:
I was reacting mostly to the broadsheet media here.

However I dunno if I'd give them a pass because they're 'mainstream media'. They have dedicated tech correspondents who would probably react vociferously if you questioned their geek credentials.

I know what you mean. But it's still not like they were super fawning. They typically just make up nice sound headlines.

for example NYT:
"But the iPad, costing $499 to $829, also lacks some features common in laptops and phones, as technology enthusiasts were quick to point out. To its instant critics, it was little more than an oversize iPod Touch. A camera is notably absent, and Flash, the ubiquitous software that handles video and animation on the Web, does not work on the device.

Another thing missing is an alternative to the AT&T data network, which is already buckling under the strain of traffic to and from iPhones. Some versions of the iPad can, for a monthly fee, use a 3G data connection like cellphones, but the only carrier mentioned was AT&T.

The event, in typical Apple style, was tightly scripted and heavy on theatrics and hyperbole. "

Selective quoting!

Anyway, I still think we should give it a few more days before complaining. Interesting to see how the public react to it.
 
It's a big itouch. Reminds me of that new nintendo ds. The one thats bigger. While it may not be a netbook, ill glady pay the extra $500 for that alienware netbook that is comming out.
 
The more I think about it, the less I like this thing. Its limitations are downright preposterous. As someone who already owns a netbook and iPhone, I literally see zero justification for owning this product.
 
Xun said:
Hopefully in time the OS will become more like Mac OS.

But I see the potential in it, and I do believe it'll be the leader in this market.

Also Apple CPU = Awesome

The netbook market? I dont think so.

mrkgoo said:
Anyway, I still think we should give it a few more days before complaining. Interesting to see how the public react to it.

It is going to take 6 months to find out what the public thinks. The first numbers Apple will release will big because of the rush of Apple super fans. After that we will find out what the mass market thinks.
 
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