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:lol yeah right. :lolcaptive said:
Kano on the Phone
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"If things were different we'd think differently about things."border said:
Poignant.
Marty Chinn said:
could have, but was tried with PDAs years ago and never worked out. Yes, modern computing power could help with that but I'm not sure if companies want to bring that back just yet. Fingering is where its at.
iPad is a logical progression from iphone. Perhaps thats why we aren't blown away by it. But 'uninspired design'? Its a giant screen, what did you want?
The interaction model is proven and the larger screen opens up new possibilities compared to the smaller iphone.
Ignatz Mouse
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If, in a few months, they knock 1/3rd off the price, I will be singing a different tune.
Opus Angelorum
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In hindsight it's easy look at historical opinion and highlight how wrong it was, this does not however mean that many of the genuine criticisms of the iPad are null and void. To suggest that the iPad will be successful because critics in the past have been wrong about other Apple products is rather disingenuous.
Regardless of sales, the iPhone's impact on what phones can do and multitouch alone are beyond putting down. Obviously a 2G phone that carried a 500+ dollar price tag wasn't going to fly off the shelves, and yet it far exceeded expectations.
On the same hand, as a mass market device it absolutely shot off after its price was more than halved, and the App Store absolutely blew things out of the water.
On the same hand, as a mass market device it absolutely shot off after its price was more than halved, and the App Store absolutely blew things out of the water.
Steve Youngblood
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It's not really trying to replace anything. It's just another device that has a different design philosophy for reaching mostly the same end. People are NOT getting tired of having more options to accomplish their computing needs.GodfatherX said:
VGChampion
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Anth0ny said:All five hundred and seventy something chapters of One Piece in the palm of my hand? DAY ONE!
Oooo I didn't even think of that. Now I can finally stop deciding if I should read it on the computer or wait till the actual release.
Marty Chinn
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mrklaw said:
Even if the ability to transcribe handwritten input to text completely accurate at this time, there's something to be said about being able to write your own notes in various ways for various applications. Taking notes on PDFs, jotting down a quick to do list or something other type of note taking. There's a number of intuitive ways that a stylus opens up because writing with a pencil/pen is much more natural and intuitive to the people that this is supposedly catered to.
I don't buy this crap that defenders are using saying you can buy a stylus seperately. Unless you make it a standard where everyone has one, and you make it a part of the OS, it will never fly in the end. Apple has to establish it if it's going to work.
Pristine_Condition
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border said:
I'm sure the iPad will stay exactly the same forever too, chief.
Your point?
Besides, I was answering this:
D4Danger said:
...so your counterpoint is moot.
He was claiming "from the very first second it was shown," which is certainly covered by the timeline of all the above quotes. Also, he acknowledged the bit about "some things were missing" too, which covers the adding of features.
I applaud your attempt to move the goalposts to counter my post, but it clearly doesn't work here now as my response was very specific to his claim which I quoted, and it wont work in the future either, as this device will most assuredly change over time, as every other device does in its product cycle.
Opus Angelorum said:
It doesn't mean criticisms are wrong; it just means that critics are notoriously short-sighted. In a few weeks or months the iPad could have multitasking and Flash support and those are the only serious dealbreakers here. In a few weeks or months it could be cheaper due to a subsidy worked out with AT&T or just a flat price cut.
JORMBO
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Don't see the point myself. Too large to carry around, and most people already have a laptop or desktop at home. I guess it could be used in place of a laptop, but a laptop would have more functionality so I don't see this replacing that.
Right now my phone has internet and fits in my pocked. I also have a laptop sitting on my coffee table in front of the couch, which can be tossed in a bag if I need it elsewhere.
Right now my phone has internet and fits in my pocked. I also have a laptop sitting on my coffee table in front of the couch, which can be tossed in a bag if I need it elsewhere.
VGChampion
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By the way has this article been mentioned here? My dad just sent me it and it's pretty much how I feel about the iPad.
http://thechasbah.blogspot.com/2010/01/at-this-writing-i-havent-had-chance-to.html
http://thechasbah.blogspot.com/2010/01/at-this-writing-i-havent-had-chance-to.html
Marty Chinn
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border said:
Well for the record, I have a 100% track record with these types of Apple products
I knew the iPod would be big, I instantly knew the iPhone would be huge, and I knew the Apple TV would be a flop. I also so far have called the iPad even before it was unveiled. I really don't think this thing will be big in its current form. It's going to need to go through some massive changes in order for it to have a chance for any type of success. I think it'll sell better than the Apple TV, but I think it will be extremely mediocre in success at best compared to the iPod and iPhone.Pristine_Condition
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Opus Angelorum said:
Are you WickedAngel's alt account or something? Because he tried this same, lame rhetoric and failed as well.
Nobody is suggesting that valid criticisms are null and void. Nobody.
Opus Angelorum
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@ border
So do we really just highlight the potential of a device, rather than its current flaws. Are we really saying that everything will be fine in six months, so lets not be too harsh?
I understand that history has shown (sometimes) that Apple can improve a product beyond original inception, but to give every new release a free pass is bordering on insanity.
So why does it seem anyone voicing a negative opinion is being castrated?
So do we really just highlight the potential of a device, rather than its current flaws. Are we really saying that everything will be fine in six months, so lets not be too harsh?
I understand that history has shown (sometimes) that Apple can improve a product beyond original inception, but to give every new release a free pass is bordering on insanity.
Pristine_Condition said:
So why does it seem anyone voicing a negative opinion is being castrated?
Mr. Dobalina
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Marty Chinn said:Well for the record, I have a 100% track record with these types of Apple products
:lol
Well, if that's you're comparison, of course it's not going to be "successful."
Projections are 4M in 2010, while the iPhone goal was 10M the first year.
WickedAngel
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Pristine_Condition said:
Actually, that's exactly what you're doing when you pull quotes from 9 years ago and throw in a "lol, familiar".
If people who agree that the comparison is stupid is some kind of indicator of how many alts I have, the mods are going to be busy.
Cereal KiIIer
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I will never buy this for myself, but it just might be the perfect computer for my mom who knows nothing about them.
Marty Chinn
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Mr. Dobalina said:
I'm just saying I don't think it's going to be the next best thing as Apple has implied and how the defenders are pushing it. I think it's going to be more like a MacBook Air or an Apple TV. Its price point and functionality will help it sell better than those but it will definitely be more in that class than the game changing class the other two devices are.
border said:
Computers are essential lifestyle accesories. Netbooks and laptops are becoming the new desktops where their sales go up as people use them instead of having a desktop in the home because it can do both. So I think it's wrong to say that a laptop/netbook never can be when in fact that is where things are shifting.
Marty Chinn said:Well for the record, I have a 100% track record with these types of Apple products
I have pretty much 0% record :lol. But that's because I don't really make predictions. I just make judgement calls myself and decide whether I want something or not.
Oh man, this iPad can't come soon enough.
I think lack of USB is the 3rd major ciritical fault (hell, I'm willing to discount Flash although I think it's pretty big). USB would have allowed the iPad to act as a real midpoint between an ipod/iphone and a desktop, with a user being able to easily move data onto the iPad and then directing it towards either an iPhone/iPod or desktop. The desktop could have been completely removed from the equation for the computer-terrified, particularly with the vastly improved iTunes interface on the iPad.border said:
Marty Chinn
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Zachack said:
I didn't really think about this aspect before but I think I'm starting to agree with this. The lack of having a mini-USB port on it makes the whole dongle thing cumbersome. Without it, it keeps the thing issolated in so many ways.
Pristine_Condition
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Opus Angelorum said:
Insanity is suggesting that that is what's going on here in this thread. There are plenty of people with complaints. Including me. I'm interested in the device, but not the first iteration.
There are just as many, if not more, people in this thread who are suggesting this is a complete flop, with no value and no chance in the market. I'd suggest that is equally "insane," to what you perceive is happening in this thread.
Opus Angelorum said:
Really? You feel that strongly about it?
CASTRATED?
Really now... You guys take this shit WAYYYYY too seriously.
Marty Chinn said:
I don't think many people have said that this is going to be the next best thing. A lot of the so-called 'defenders' are simply enthusiasts excited for a new product (myself), and don't really make much comment about how well they think it will do.
I think it's up in the air about it's success -there's potential. Of course that's a totally obvious thing to say as nothing is ever set in stone.
Re: MBA. I can see it being kind of a MacBook air thing - I was in the market for an Air, but two things stopped me from getting one, and probably EVER getting one, as much as I like it. It didn't have enough storage/power to be my main machine (and I wanted it for my main machine as there is no default syncing solution for my Mac environment), and the price.
The iPad is a completely different device for me, as it's actually affordable, and is not going to be my main device (hence storage not an issue).
In fact, the iPad will likely sync documents that I would work on, which is something I've always wanted in a portable device. I like the environment where I have a primary computer and my portable devices are based off of that. The iPad fits into that environment.
Pristine_Condition
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WickedAngel said:
2007-2008 is not nine years ago, dood. Try again.
But take a deep breath first. Don't want you to get too upset and feel castrated like Opus.
Serious. Business.
:lol
The amount of wildly shortsighted points of view are astonishing. I must be the only person who sees the potential.
It's not for many people. Fine. Saying it's for nobody is crazy.
Beyond that, people are completely missing what this is doing. It's taking hand held, touch computing to another level. Call it iPod Touch XL all you like but merely getting people to do more things on a touch OS is a big deal. It's the first steps for taking the entire industry in that direction.
Maybe I'm just crazy, what do I know.
:lol
It's not for many people. Fine. Saying it's for nobody is crazy.
Beyond that, people are completely missing what this is doing. It's taking hand held, touch computing to another level. Call it iPod Touch XL all you like but merely getting people to do more things on a touch OS is a big deal. It's the first steps for taking the entire industry in that direction.
Maybe I'm just crazy, what do I know.
Pristine_Condition said:
:lol
DjangoReinhardt
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I'm starting to think the fact that Apple has enraged so many is a sign that they've really nailed the "in-between" concept. I can totally see where I'd prefer to use the iPad - lounging on the couch, in bed - to my iPhone or MacBook. At an absolute minimum, this seems like a killer casual device to me.
CharminUltra
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Still not sure if want, BUT I get the feeling 3rd parties are going to come up with a super awesome app that will make me buy it evetually :lol
Opus Angelorum said:
Noone is castrating it. That's more your skewed view. For sure, there's some heated debate, but just take step back and just see what's going on in this thread.
If you look at it from my point of view you could probably say the same thing, "Why does it seem like anyone voicing a positive opinion being castrated?"
I wouldn't say it, because I see that both sides are simply defending their own potion of view when a point is brought up. You say something we respond. We say something you respond. It goes back and forth.
People are being fairly aggressive, but I don't see many people actually calling out people (if anything there's more people calling out the Apple Faithful in that they're delusional - not many have called out the Apple haters).
WickedAngel
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Pristine_Condition said:
The quotes I'm talking about were about the iPod, "dood".
Past that, you're going to find similar quotes about every product Apple has delivered in the past decade because that's what they do; they imitate. They're an American embodiment of classic Japanese business philosophy; their most successful products already have established markets and their product is typically seen as an evolutionary movement past every else. The problem here? Tablets aren't a household establishment; the market is flimsy and questionable in contrast to, say, the netbook market.
Opus Angelorum said:
I never suggested that iPad should get a free pass -- just that you can't really gauge the product's potential for success on an announcement press conference.
Marty Chinn said:
Except that no single model (or even a line of models) is going to be that popular. I'm highly skeptical of the assertion that people are switching to a netbook-only lifestyle, or that they ever will. Even if they did, you could never really expect one model to dominate in the way that iPod and iPhone have.
Burger
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SnakeXs said:
You can say that again.
My favorite is the people saying they want/expected this to be running OS X Snow Leopard. To quote Ricky Gervais, "ARE YOU MENTAL ?"
Didn't it take like 3-4 years of parallel development to get OS X on X86 architecture ? Wasn't it a massive undertaking which was pretty much unheard of in the industry ?
Now you expect them to do it again to port it to an ARM RISC architecture ? That Apple A4 CPU would shit its pants if you could get Snow Leopard running on it.
Reginald P. Linux
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VGChampion said:
I don't know where people are getting this ridiculous idea from.
Flying_Phoenix
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SnakeXs said:
I'm going to be honest here. I can't really think of any sites I regularly go to that even use flash. Let alone have it as a mandatory.
Marty Chinn said:
What do those things have to do with Wacom's sensors?
Karma said:
And how many aim to deliver a streamlined, easy to use experience for everyone? Not geeks, not people who demand a full OS at all times, but everyone. Computer illiterate moms, uncles who can't figure out how to upgrade their Google (browser), and so on.
How many of them have the media consumption capabilities of this thing? Again, not for geeks who want to rip their own Blu Rays, or *gasp* play downloaded stuff, but someone who doesn't mind buying a movie on iTunes, or the iBookstore. How many of them aim to make casual use more refined and dare I say enjoyable?
No Android OS I've seen has this level of polish, and this appealing a size/price point. On top of that, you have all the stores I mentioned, right there on the device.
Reginald P. Linux said:
Steve said it. Thats where it's coming from.
I'm not sure I agree with him on all accounts, but I do on some things. Browsing, email and photos look great on the iPad.
For email, they've moved a little from the functionality side of a client, with stacks of papers and stuff. It may not have all the 'pro' features of a client, but it looks slick. And fun.
WickedAngel
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Polishing a concept doesn't mean you've created a market.
Apple created a market with iTunes. They expanded a market with the iPod. There is a significant difference.
Apple created a market with iTunes. They expanded a market with the iPod. There is a significant difference.
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