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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
All I want is even gimped multitasking for streaming music or IM plus browsing. If that comes (I think it will), I'll buy 200 iPads.
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My question is how do you expect/want multitasking handled? Do you want some tool bar across all apps a la a miniature Dock? Or do you just want apps to run in the background but still need to home -> Tap app and home -> tap app to return to your initial app?
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
iPhone OS 3.2 being iPad-only makes me think iPhone 3.1 is the final version for this round and 4.0 is coming soon.
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I like your optimism but I will bet you $100 fake dollars that it's not coming until June when they update the iPhone with a modified A4 chip.

One thing I'd love Apple to do is to kill "Text Messages" and have them a part of the data plan.
 
SnakeXs said:
My question is how do you expect/want multitasking handled? Do you want some tool bar across all apps a la a miniature Dock? Or do you just want apps to run in the background but still need to home -> Tap app and home -> tap app to return to your initial app?
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If I were going to do it, I'd let it support only two applications to keep it simple, and you flip back and forth by holding the home button. Then it does a basic OSX Expose effect where it shrinks the two "cards" and switches what's in front.
 
Buckethead said:
I like your optimism but I will bet you $100 fake dollars that it's not coming until June when they update the iPhone with a modified A4 chip.

One thing I'd love Apple to do is to kill "Text Messages" and have them a part of the data plan.
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I'm not exactly a telecomm engineer but I thought texting requires a phone number, while a strictly data connection just needs an IP address?

Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
If I were going to do it, I'd let it support only two applications to keep it basic and simple, and you just flip back and forth by holding the home button. Then it just does a simple OSX Expose effect where it shrink the two "cards" and switches what's in front.
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What about voice commands? Assuming it makes it to iPhone, as well. And what about when you open a third app? A "Kill one app to open this new app" menu?
 
SnakeXs said:
My question is how do you expect/want multitasking handled? Do you want some tool bar across all apps a la a miniature Dock? Or do you just want apps to run in the background but still need to home -> Tap app and home -> tap app to return to your initial app?
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I like the idea that people posted in earlier discussions where there is a special slot on the dock. Drag an app there and it runs in back ground. Tap it to go to it, so yes home button to return. Drag it off and poof, it disappears and stops running. Unlike other apps, hitting home on an app that is in that position does not close or pause it.
 
Xeke said:
Is there any reason to believe you can't just listen to music while you do other stuff?
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You can. Nobody's inferred you can't. People bitching about multitasking tend to mention streaming via Pandora, however, which currently can't be done.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
If I were going to do it, I'd let it support only two applications to keep it simple, and you flip back and forth by holding the home button. Then it does a basic OSX Expose effect where it shrinks the two "cards" and switches what's in front.
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This sounds reasonable, although I would say two on the iPhone, 4 on the iPad, or something like that. Whatever it is, it needs to be elegant, and it needs to work perfectly, neither of which I'm worried about.
 
Xeke said:
Is there any reason to believe you can't just listen to music while you do other stuff?
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You can. Just like you can on the current iPod Touch/iPhone.

Multi-tasking between third-party apps is not possible, but you can use some of the Apple apps simultaneously with third-party apps.

TBH, I don't get the hubbub about the lack of multi-tasking. How essential is it to one's computing experience? Not that essential.
 
SnakeXs said:
You can. Nobody's inferred you can't. People bitching about multitasking tend to mention streaming via Pandora, however, which currently can't be done.
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Ah, I have Pandora but I hardly use it, I'd rather just listen to my music I guess...
 
perryfarrell said:
TBH, I don't get the hubbub about the lack of multi-tasking. How essential is it to one's computing experience? Not that essential.
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Well personally, I'm constantly switching between web, music, chat programs, email, and occasionally gaming while having them all running and active at the same time.
It's just how I compute. So yeah, pretty damn essential for me.
 
Xeke said:
Ah, I have Pandora but I hardly use it, I'd rather just listen to my music I guess...
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I'm with you, and considering the speakers this thing's bound to have I don't really see music as a huge deal, but some do so I get it. Then again I don't listen to music on any dinky speakers, I Airtunes everything to my sound system. *shrug*
 
I've never seen that magazine R&D/technology thing before, but I'd love to read Game Informer and Time on my iPad once I get one.
That's one thing that I absolutely hate about books on iPhone all of them have ugly ass icons with the same boring template. I hope that the iBooks store is more visually interesting while also offering a simple version for hardcore readers.

And I see the appeal of multi-tasking in some aspects, but on the whole, these are stripped down devices.
If you want to multi-task, then go on your laptop or desktop computer.

Seems a little silly, just imo.
 
perryfarrell said:
TBH, I don't get the hubbub about the lack of multi-tasking. How essential is it to one's computing experience? Not that essential.
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I'll have to use the iPad to see how well it works. Push notifications for IMs blows on the iPhone because of all the loading back and forth, but if the speed increase on the iPad makes switching transparently seamless, I'll have no problem.
 
The only thing I would use multitasking for(beyond the iPod player that works already) is a twitter client. I don't IM and I don't stay logged into Facebook. Everything else closes and opens fast enough that it's not a big deal.
 
At least with this you can multitask.
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Multitasking is a huge deal for me. I'm constantly juggling multiple programs and that's why I have two computer displays and will be getting a third at some point.
 
perryfarrell said:
TBH, I don't get the hubbub about the lack of multi-tasking. How essential is it to one's computing experience? Not that essential.
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So you're saying that at any given point, you only have one program open at a time on your computer? Multi-tasking is major, especially when you want to listen to some streaming music while working on a file, or if you want to use an IM client while browsing the web, etc.
 
Tisan said:
Well personally, I'm constantly switching between web, music, chat programs, email, and occasionally gaming while having them all running and active at the same time.
It's just how I compute. So yeah, pretty damn essential for me.
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I think the thing is the amount of ram. Multitasking is fine for a computer which typically has gigs but what about an ipad? It had no way of knowing how much an app is going to need, and I guess apple don't want o jankify the user experience.

For me it's not essential. If an app closes and opens rapidly enough and there's a notification system, I'm good. I'd like it if it can keep up the user experience, but I'd likely just use it for chat. I'd prefer background downloading of websites for multiple web page browsing.
 
Speaking of the Crunchpad, I wasn't aware of how it crashed&burned. That's fucked up

http://blog.laptopmag.com/michael-a...partner-attempts-to-oust-him-from-the-project


SnakeXs said:
My question is how do you expect/want multitasking handled? Do you want some tool bar across all apps a la a miniature Dock? Or do you just want apps to run in the background but still need to home -> Tap app and home -> tap app to return to your initial app?
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There are plenty of alternatives.



Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
If I were going to do it, I'd let it support only two applications to keep it simple, and you flip back and forth by holding the home button. Then it does a basic OSX Expose effect where it shrinks the two "cards" and switches what's in front.
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I was thinking something similar. It could even have a gesture to swap between them.



If they wanted to expand it to more apps, a tap (or gesture) could simply bring up thumbnailed versions of the running apps ... and you simply touch the one you want to be active.
 
Tisan said:
Well personally, I'm constantly switching between web, music, chat programs, email, and occasionally gaming while having them all running and active at the same time.
It's just how I compute. So yeah, pretty damn essential for me.
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People are willing to accept that for aesthetics.

Mac fans, mostly.
 
Sorry if this has been posted, but here is Mark Cuban's take on the IPad:

I cant wait to get my hands on the IPad. Its going to be a HUGE hit.

You can book it right now that it will be the product that kids of this generation grow up with and look back on with affection just like we did with the first video games. Video games changed how we grew up. The IPad will change how kids grow up.

Apple was brilliant in how they cultivated apps for the IPhone and Touch. With so many apps for kids, any parent with young kids and either of these 2 devices will tell you that their kids use and love them. In fact, it was this very reason that I helped create Puzzle Palace for the IPhone. It allows my kids to take the pictures they take and turn them into puzzles. My 3 year old loves it.

The IPad will take this to the next level. I recognize that its very expensive for most families right now. Hopefully that will change over time. If it does, you can bet every home with kids will have an IPad. And the first person to create the “kidproof” covering will make money as well (Hint to entrepreneurs) On the flipside, the minute these devices hit critical mass in families, the DVD market for kids, who watch the same movie over and over will end as we know it. Download Scooby Do one time and the need to hassle with all those DVDs for the kids at home or on trips becomes a distant memory. A relic of an older generation.

Thats big.

Whats also big is the exclusion of flash. The reason is obvious. No flash. Far less streaming over 3G. Less streaming over 3G means less bandwidth consumed. Less bandwidth consumed means ATT can offer a GREAT price on the 3G data service. I personally have never had problems with the ATT Network. The limits on 3G streaming probably means I wont going forward either. Thats a good thing.

Its big that there is no USB port. As a content producer thats not a good thing. It means that Apple wants to force us through ITunes to sell content. It will be the path of least resistance for consumers to add content to the IPad and a HUGE source of revenue for Apple. Im sure there will be work around alternatives, but they wont be able to match the simplicity of the ITunes Store.

Outside the Apple Universe, the company that should be licking its chops is Dish Network. Their SlingBox product just became a grand slam. I absolutely LOVE the sling box app I run on my IPod Touch to watch NBA League Pass games, HDNet in a hotel room and other shows that I record on my DVR. I cant wait to put it on the IPad and its big screen.

And finally, if i was just out of school and fluent in all things Wi Fi , networking and wireless, I would immediately go door to door offering to fine tune your home’s wireless network. With new HDTVs coming out with Wi FI, the IPad, SlingBox, Netflix Streaming and other applications consuming tons of bandwidth in the home, it is an ABSOLUTE certainty that 99pct of home networks can be improved and perform significantly better. Be that kid in your neighborhood that comes in and fine tunes everyone’s wi fi in their home for 50 or 100 bucks (or more if you live in a fancy part of town) and you will make some good money.
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I have a feeling that people complaining about multi-tasking are the same crowd that complained about the iPod Shuffle when it lost it's click wheel.

Like putting a fat lady in heels, is what that is.
 
Stop defending the lack of multitasking, it's pointless. It's obviously a flaw, this is undeniable, but will likely be fixed with an OS update. iPhone 4.0 or whatever.
 
Pristine_Condition said:
You are the guy saying their tablet "Has the most potential of any shown." Shouldn't you know the answer to that question?

:lol
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I was referring to the HW/design.

Oh, and thanks for answering the question.
 
Buckethead said:
I have a feeling that people complaining about multi-tasking are the same crowd that complained about the iPod Shuffle when it lost it's click wheel.
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Who didn't complain about losing the click wheel? Forcing an external non-standardized control method is bonkers.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
If I were going to do it, I'd let it support only two applications to keep it simple, and you flip back and forth by holding the home button. Then it does a basic OSX Expose effect where it shrinks the two "cards" and switches what's in front.
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I like this idea a lot.

Honestly, I'd be fine with no multitasking -- with one exception: Safari. Let me run the browser and any one other app at any given time, and I'm fine.
 
Teddman said:
Stop defending the lack of multitasking, it's pointless. It's obviously a flaw, this is undeniable, but will likely be fixed with an OS update. iPhone 4.0 or whatever.
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No. Lack of multitasking is the best thing that ever happened to me.

I'm so glad the ipad doesn't multitask. If it could multitask, it would be a dealbreaker.

Lack of multitask defense force unite!
 
You don't think the lack of multi-tasking is because they want the user to have a reliable, fast experience every time they use the product? Open multiple apps and you could get some severe slowdowns or maybe even crashes? Could make the inexperienced user think that something is wrong with his machine.

Kind of like how some PC FPS Devs lockout users from changing certain engine mechanics, because they don't want new users to have erratic experiences when playing their game online.
 
perryfarrell said:
You can. Just like you can on the current iPod Touch/iPhone.

Multi-tasking between third-party apps is not possible, but you can use some of the Apple apps simultaneously with third-party apps.

TBH, I don't get the hubbub about the lack of multi-tasking. How essential is it to one's computing experience? Not that essential.
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Since we're talking about music, can you use Pandora and browse? Last.FM and browse? Can the built in music player run FLAC?
 
Tobor said:
Seriously?
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Yeah? Why?

ToxicAdam said:
You don't think the lack of multi-tasking is because they want the user to have a reliable, fast experience every time they use the product? Open multiple apps and you could get some severe slowdowns or maybe even crashes? Could make the inexperienced user think that something is wrong with his machine.

Kind of like how some PC FPS Devs lockout users from changing certain engine mechanics, because they don't want new users to have erratic experiences when playing their game online.
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lulz
 
StopMakingSense said:
That only covers Arrington's side of things. Turns out he and the manufacturer never even had a contract.
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But I take it they still were planning on going ahead with his design?
 
Raistlin said:
Well, that's subjective. Regardless, the HW is what I like.


Tegra 2, multitouch, Pixel Qi screen, 1GB RAM, camera, 1080p support and output via HDMI, etc.




What's with the :lol for FLAC?

haterz gonna hate :p
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What would you do, stream it? You couldn't put more than 5 albums on there.

And yeah, I was referring to the Adam's design, I didn't meant to bold HW. It needs an emergency makeover.
 
Epic Tier 3 Engineer said:
At you, not with you.
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Let me...refine...the previous statement.

Multi-tasking simple things like music is fine, but in the end these are simple devices.
The iPhone moreso than the iPad. The iPad needs multi-tasking, the iPhone not so much.

My point was that they wanted the Shuffle to be a cheap Nano, they wanted it to serve a purpose it didn't really fill. The control stuff really has nothing to do with it.
 
Tobor said:
What would you do, stream it? You couldn't put more than 5 albums on there.
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Yes, it would mostly be for streaming (I have a dedicated server in my house). That said, the 5 album thing is a bit hyperbolic :p. I have a 4GB Miezu media player, and I can fit a lot more than 5 albums on it.

And yeah, I was referring to the Adam's design, I didn't meant to bold HW. It needs an emergency makeover.
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Eh, to be honest, I really don't care what it looks like.
 
SnakeXs said:
I'm sure you'll recoil in terror but you can convert FLAC to ALAC. Yay lossless.
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The point is, I shouldn't have to.

Not to mention, not everything I own supports ALAC. In reality, very few dedicated, non-apple players support it. I went with FLAC because it has more support. Why would I want to go with a non-entrenched proprietary format?

Having two copies of everything on my server would be a bit of a space waster (and is kind of silly)
 
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