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Teddman said:
It's really not though. The most perfect Mac comic reader would run FFView (or other cbr reader) and work with regular cbr files.

It would work with sites like Marvel Digital Comics (which uses Flash).

It would have an industry-standard pdf application, like Acrobat. What are the pdf reading options on iPad anyway?
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There are multiple very good .cbr readers on iPhone right now. I use Comiczeal. It will be trivial to update these for iPad. And pdf is built in.

As for Marvel and DC, like I said, the clock is ticking. They better get native apps with built in stores up and running.
 
RubxQub said:
...why is Adobe releasing a developer tool to make iPhone/Pad applications using Flash? It just seems like they are introducing an odd layer that doesn't need to exist.

Are there really flash developers that want to put content on the iPhone/Pad so badly, but don't want to learn the SDK?

...or am I reading this wrong?
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So that you can make apps on PC and not have to buy a Mac?
:D
 
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http://www.macrumors.com/2010/01/29...images-show-properly-displayed-flash-content/

9 to 5 Mac noticed that demonstrations of Web browsing in Apple's iPad promotional video reveal properly loading Flash content on similar Web pages, suggesting either that the iPad device used in the video supports Flash or that Apple has manipulated the promotional video in order to hide the fact that the iPad does not support Flash.
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The iPhone, like OSX, has native support for opening PDFs. Add to that the several ebook and manga readers on the store (many free) and you have the ability to read almost every format out there.
 
wiid said:
So that you can make apps on PC and not have to buy a Mac?
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You're the worst troll I've seen in quite awhile.
 
Whether there's a tv ad or not is really pretty irrelevant. If the AppleTV had done better out of the gate, Apple would have done more with it. TV advertising in particular is extremely expensive and pretty poor at creating a market to begin with. It's more for established or establishing products to send a lifestyle message about the product and keep it in the public's eye after the initial shine has worn off.

AppleTV did poorly because it wasn't a very well thought out product in terms of market positioning. It was a stab in the dark, and all it hit was air. It and the MacBook Air are proof that Apple's product instincts are not infallible. Imo, this'll turn into one of those unless they do some quick work on fixing it up, but only history will prove anyone right on that.
 
I don't think anyone needs full laptop functionality out of this thing. The negative buzz is due to the ommision of a few killer apps that demand purchase because nothing else does that. Facing camera would have people thinking video conferencing. Flash would mean Internet usage as good as a desktop in your hand, better than an iPhone or netbook. This first iteration is a little limiting when you think about what you actually might use it for: real basic shit that duplicates functionality of something you probably already own

I'll probably get it anyway so that I won't feel the need to use the iPhone at home. I'm sure it will be like the iPhone as well: people won't know the true usefulness until people make more tablet specific apps. Unlike something like the appletv, which was pretty much closed unless you Mod it or wait for nonexistent apple updates. This is the first time I am not compelled to buy the expensive versions though. $499 one will do the job
 
Tobor said:
There are multiple very good .cbr readers on iPhone right now. I use Comiczeal. It will be trivial to update these for iPad. And pdf is built in.

As for Marvel and DC, like I said, the clock is ticking. They better get native apps with built in stores up and running.
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Comiczeal is not as good as FFView though. Liu Kang said "most perfect."

Why should Marvel and DC have to get an app in store rather than Apple simply enable Flash? Of course, we know the reasons Flash is disabled, but I think laying the blame at the feet of Marvel/DC is unfair.
 
maharg said:
It and the MacBook Air are proof that Apple's product instincts are not infallible.
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What makes you think the Air was supposed to be a mainstream hit? I remember when it came out, some dumb journalist quizzed Jobs on some missing features on the product, and Jobs straight up said "it's not for you." It was a hit with the exact market it was made for. It made enough money that HP and Dell have been making competing products to get a piece of the pie.

The Apple TV is better to critique as missing the mark, but I also feel like that was just aimed at the weird niche of people who bought a lot of iTunes movies and TV shows and was never intended to be a big mainstream hit that replaced DVD, Blu-ray, Tivo, Cablecard, and whatever else people on the Internet wanted it to be. It was just a quick and dirty solution to justify buying movies and easily getting it on a TV instead of a computer screen.
 
Teddman said:
Comiczeal is not as good as FFView though. I said "most perfect."

Why should Marvel and DC have to get an app in store rather than Apple simply enable Flash? Of course, we know the reasons Flash is disabled, but I think laying the blame at the feet of Marvel/DC is unfair.
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First of all, Marvel's online store is shit. Irregardless of this. They deserve blame for thinking that's a good business model. Secondly, they better get content onto the iPad, and the iPhone for that matter, or else risk their business longterm.

Marvel is starting to get it, the PSP store is a good first step on a better model.
 
I guess I just don't buy that Apple, or Steve Jobs in particular, aims low. The Air was a pretty big announcement, made out to be a serious product. It reminds me a lot of this one, actually.

Truth is, we don't really know what they intend for their products. If we hear that an Apple product wasn't meant to be the next big thing, we always hear that after it's already failed to be one. Since we never really hear anything about an Apple product in development, any sense of their scope pre-launch is obscured by hindsight.
 
maharg said:
I guess I just don't buy that Apple, or Steve Jobs in particular, aims low. The Air was a pretty big announcement, made out to be a serious product. It reminds me a lot of this one, actually.
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The Air was announced at Macworld 2008 along with a bunch of other products. (It was a Macworld everyone was disappointed in, considering the iPhone was the 2007 Macworld announcement.) The Air was not a singular product announcement like the annual laptop, desktop, iPod, and iPhone updates.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
What makes you think the Air was supposed to be a mainstream hit? I remember when it came out, some dumb journalist quizzed Jobs on some missing features on the product, and Jobs straight up said "it's not for you." It was a hit with the exact market it was made for. It made enough money that HP and Dell have been making competing products to get a piece of the pie.
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Word. Ultralight laptops existed before the Air as well, and they've always cost a bundle, but there has always been a small but steady market for them.
 
maharg said:
Whether there's a tv ad or not is really pretty irrelevant. If the AppleTV had done better out of the gate, Apple would have done more with it. TV advertising in particular is extremely expensive and pretty poor at creating a market to begin with. It's more for established or establishing products to send a lifestyle message about the product and keep it in the public's eye after the initial shine has worn off.

AppleTV did poorly because it wasn't a very well thought out product in terms of market positioning. It was a stab in the dark, and all it hit was air. It and the MacBook Air are proof that Apple's product instincts are not infallible. Imo, this'll turn into one of those unless they do some quick work on fixing it up, but only history will prove anyone right on that.
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The difference between the apple tv and the ipad is that where they wouldve done more IF the appletv had done better out of the gates, they WILL do more to the ipad if it doesn't do that well. I feel that there's a lot more expectation riding on this devices success than was the apple tvs. I admit I may have an inflated view of apple in that they may joy work off of public expectation as I might think.

The appletv was poorly executed, I agree. The MacBook air makes a more compelling arguement as a 'less successful' apple product, because I do belies that apple considered it a game changer. Or rather, wouldn't have minded :p. I saw it as apple just being on the edge of tech in thaT case.

The 'it's not for you' comment is interestig because it's thrown a lot around here for the ipad.
 
mrkgoo said:
The MacBook air makes a more compelling arguement as a 'less successful' apple product, because I do belies that apple considered it a game changer.
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I see the Air as a weird product that they made for bragging rights on how thin it was as well as R&D on the eventual unibody aluminum regular MacBook Pros and new battery designs that ended up coming out a year later.
 
Beyond that the iPad will always be able to tag along to the developments of the not-going-anywhere iPhone line. That alone will give it constant support.
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
Word. Ultralight laptops existed before the Air as well, and they've always cost a bundle, but there has always been a small but steady market for them.
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Smartphones existed before the iphone, tablet pcs existed before this, mp3 players existed before the ipod. What Apple seems to have striven for, ever since the success of the iPod, is to find markets that are 'small but steady' and transform them into big business. I don't think it's a stretch, personally, to think that they were hoping to do that with the Air.

But like I said, our perceptions of their expectations are always obscured by hindsight.
 
Gizmodo put up a pretty nice comparison chart -- I'm not sure if it's been posted yet as I missed the overnight stuff in this thread:

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Strangely enough, there is only going to be two tablets capable of doing Flash.....one of which is $500, the other is probably more than $500. So much for the "I can find something that does twice as much for half the price!" nonsense.
 
If the Air was such a failure, you wouldn't be able to buy one today. The Cube was a failure, and they discontinued it after barely a year.

I assume the Apple TV plucks along as an answer to a question. A customer in an Apple store asks how to get iTunes content on his TV, and they can show a $200 device to do it.

I barely use mine, admittedly, just to rent the occasional movie or watch the content I already have.
 
Tobor said:
First of all, Marvel's online store is shit. Irregardless of this. They deserve blame for thinking that's a good business model. Secondly, they better get content onto the iPad, and the iPhone for that matter, or else risk their business longterm.

Marvel is starting to get it, the PSP store is a good first step on a better model.
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What do you mean by 'online store'? Marvel Digital has a full monthly subscription service which is a pretty great value.

I don't know if it currently is available on iPhone as it is on the website though. Which is another problem with the "just make an app for that" walled garden philosophy.
 
maharg said:
Smartphones existed before the iphone, tablet pcs existed before this, mp3 players existed before the ipod. What Apple seems to have striven for, ever since the success of the iPod, is to find markets that are 'small but steady' and transform them into big business. I don't think it's a stretch, personally, to think that they were hoping to do that with the Air.

But like I said, our perceptions of their expectations are always obscured by hindsight.
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You may be right. I always thought it was intended, and remains, a luxury item.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
I see the Air as a weird product that they made for bragging rights on how thin it was as well as well as R&D on the eventual unibody aluminum regular MacBook Pros and new battery designs that ended up coming out a year later.
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Edited too late. Yeah I think this too, but I think they had hoped it would be a lot better received too. Which is a dumb comment, because they would hope that of all their products.

Gamechanger -yeah not the right term. I'm going to eat crow on that one. I'll revise it back a notch and just say they were hoping fr 'more influential'. ( see dumb comment above)

Actually, I'm going to conced that you're absolutely right here. The price alone on the air is enough to make me accept that it's a tech demo and for that specific market.
 
border said:
Gizmodo put up a pretty nice comparison chart -- I'm not sure if it's been posted yet as I missed the overnight stuff in this thread:

500x_slate_showdown_chart_final.jpg



Strangely enough, there is only going to be two tablets capable of doing Flash.....one of which is $500, the other is probably more than $500. So much for the "I can find something that does twice as much for half the price!" nonsense.
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Flash forAndroid is expected shortly. It's been demoed. It may even be released with those tablets, depending on timing.
 
Reginald P. Linux said:
Microsoft's reaction to the iPad. Why so defensive?
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You didn't present the article that way.

...and what's the point of stating that a full-blown operating system like Windows is more open than an iPhone OS and can be sold on many devices? Isn't that common sense?
 
Teddman said:
What do you mean by 'online store'? Marvel Digital has a full monthly subscription service which is a pretty great value.

I don't know if it currently is available on iPhone as it is on the website though. Which is another problem with the "just make an app for that" walled garden philosophy.
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I don't want to read comics on a PC or laptop. That's a failure.

Andy Ihnatko said:
Of all of the major publishers, Marvel Comics is the clear leader. It’s less of a compliment for Marvel than it is an illustration of how carelessly the industry as a whole has pursued digital expansion. Despite its name, Marvel Digital Comics Unlimited is all about limitations. You need to be connected to a live Internet connection; the whole service and its comic-reader app are web-based. The reader is only supported by desktop browsers, so forget about reading comics on your phone.

And you can’t read newly-released books. The 7,000-issue archive keeps growing, but it almost exclusively consists of older comics that help promote the comics that ship to brick-and-mortar shops this month, or way older comics from deep within the Marvel archives.

Marvel Digital Comics Unlimited is emblematic of the industry’s approach because it’s nearly completely useless to a regular comics reader like me.

Are the consumers waiting patiently? Hell, no. They’re reacting the same way music consumers did ten years ago: they’re pirating everything in sight.
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http://www.suntimes.com/technology/...ko-longbox-comics-apple-tablet-102009.article

I'd love to see something like Longbox become the standard(and you should too, it will work on every device), but Marvel will want to do it's own thing.
 
Tobor said:
We all wanted copy/paste. We just wanted it done right.
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Liu Kang didn't care for 'copy&paste'... Go check the old iPhone thread, it used to erupt every once in a while with debates about the usefulness (imagine that) of the feature...
 
Looking at that chart posted makes me think most people that are excited about the iPad should be more excited the Notion Ink.
 
Karma said:
Looking at that chart posted makes me think most people that are excited about the iPad should be more excited the Notion Ink.
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A device is much more than it's specs.
 
eggandI said:
4 out of those 6 tablets have multi tasking and other features the Ipad doesn't. Apple is asking up to $830 for a tablet that doesn't even have multi tasking. Lol.
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Excellent contribution to the iPad thread, as always, eggandI.
 
eggandI said:
4 out of those 6 tablets have multi tasking and other features the Ipad doesn't. Apple is asking up to $830 for a tablet that doesn't even have multi tasking. Lol.
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Your skills of deduction amaze me.
 
Huh. That chart really does make the notion ink look really good. The whole thing where it can be in greyscale reflective mode when appropriate makes it really appealing.
 
Karma said:
So you are not excited about it? What is wrong?
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It's ugly beyond belief, the price is unknown, and the company is out of nowhere. If they can get the price of the 16GB model to $500 and clean up the design, then it will be interesting.

I think Android is a much better choice for a tablet than Windows 7. Most importantly, I want to see the market for these devices grow.
 
That chart has taken the JooJoo (CrunchPad) out of the picture for me, 2.4lbs? No apps? - ouch!. The Notion Ink is still interesting, as is the HP Slate, whether or not Notion Ink has the clout to make it to market is another matter, another problem is what likelyhood is there of slate/tablet based apps really appearing on the Android market anytime soon, one of the draws of the iPad is knowong there will be apps appearing as well as a collection of apps already purchased for my Touch I can use straight away.

Notion Ink should have stuck to the design of the concept renders, they were the bomb, the new design is functional enough, but no pretty picture in comparison.

So I'll keep my eye out for HP's model, and Notion Inks, the others are out of the picture but I can easily see myself getting an iPad if the Slate takes too long to arrive and the Notion Ink doesn't get too far, we'll see.
 
Karma said:
So you are not excited about it? What is wrong?
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I don't know a thing about it and apparently it doesn't have a price tag on it or exact release date.

Edit: Just watched this video and it looks trash.
 
numble said:
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http://www.macrumors.com/2010/01/29...images-show-properly-displayed-flash-content/
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Of course it can support Flash. Apple just doesn't want anyone to use Flash. The Ipad is like a fucking prison. You can't do anything, and have almost no control over your own device.

They didn't implement flash with the Ipad because it would cut into the sales of their multimedia. Now you depend on Apple for content, and they make more money. Apple acts like they will support HTML5 going forward, but they won't. Not on devices like the Ipad. If HTML5 ever becomes as mainstream as Flash, they will limit your access to it so they can sell more of their own digital DRM lock-downed products.

The Ipad has the capabilities to support flash and multi-tasking. And It probably will, when version 2 comes out and they up the price to $900.

Like I said before. I could see myself really getting into a tablet. I just refuse to pay for a joke like the Ipad. This isn't 1989, the fact multi-tasking is even something being talked about is plain sad.
 
RubxQub said:
I don't know a thing about it and apparently it doesn't have a price tag on it or exact release date.

Edit: Just watched this video and it looks trash.
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Actually, it looks like they have changed the design. I don't get the huge roll on the left side. though.
 
Reginald P. Linux said:
They mention in the video that the one they showed isn't the final build.
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So I should base my opinion on something I can't see, or what?
 
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