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[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

4 out of those 6 tablets have multi tasking and other features the Ipad doesn't. Apple is asking up to $830 for a tablet that doesn't even have multi tasking. Lol.

Nice Trolling. And notice how the ones with prices don't have 3g? But yet you want to use 3G compare prices instead of wifi vs wifi? Keep trolling. SMH.

 

[SnakeXs]

Of course it can support Flash. Apple just doesn't want anyone to use Flash. The Ipad is like a fucking prison. You can't do anything, and have almost no control over your own device.

They didn't implement flash with the Ipad because it would cut into the sales of their multimedia. Now you depend on Apple for content, and they make more money. Apple acts like they will support HTML5 going forward, but they won't. Not on devices like the Ipad. If HTML5 ever becomes as mainstream as Flash, they will limit your access to it so they can sell more of their own digital DRM lock-downed products.

The Ipad has the capabilities to support flash and multi-tasking. And It probably will, when version 2 comes out and they up the price to $900.

Like I said before. I could see myself really getting into a tablet. I just refuse to pay for a joke like the Ipad. This isn't 1989, the fact multi-tasking is even something being talked about is plain sad.

 

[border]

Looking at that chart posted makes me think most people that are excited about the iPad should be more excited the Notion Ink.

There seems to be a perception (I'm not sure how justified) that it's either vaporware or they won't be able to bring it in at an attractive price.

 

[Karma]

That chart has taken the JooJoo (CrunchPad) out of the picture for me, 2.4lbs? No apps, ouch. The Notion Ink is still interesting, as is the HP Slate, whether or not Notion Ink has the clout to make it to market is another matter, another problem is what likelyhood is there of slate/tablet based apps really appearing on the Android market.

So I'll keep my eye out for HP's model, and Notion Inks, the others are out of the picture but I can easily see myself getting an iPad if the Slate takes too long to arrive and the Notion Ink doesn't get too far.

I think you will see tablet apps. There was Droid and Nexus apps almost immediately after they released.

It's ugly beyond belief, the price is unknown, and the company is out of nowhere. If they can get the price of the 16GB model to $500 and clean up the design, then it will be interesting.

I think Android is a much better choice for a tablet than Windows 7. Most importantly, I want to see the market for these devices grow.

Ugly? The pics I have seen are gorgeous.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

Of course it can support Flash. Apple just doesn't want anyone to use Flash. The Ipad is like a fucking prison. You can't do anything, and have almost no control over your own device.

They didn't implement flash with the Ipad because it would cut into the sales of their multimedia. Now you depend on Apple for content, and they make more money. Apple acts like they will support HTML5 going forward, but they won't. Not on devices like the Ipad. If HTML5 ever becomes as mainstream as Flash, they will limit your access to it so they can sell more of their own digital DRM lock-downed products.

The Ipad has the capabilities to support flash and multi-tasking. And It probably will, when version 2 comes out and they up the price to $900.

Like I said before. I could see myself really getting into a tablet. I just refuse to pay for a joke like the Ipad. This isn't 1989, the fact multi-tasking is even something being talked about is plain sad.

I think you might be taking this too seriously. You should go out and take a walk, clear your head, you'll feel better.

 

[numble]

Ugly? The pics I have seen are gorgeous.

The design renders or the CES pics/video?

 

[Keylime]

Ugly? The pics I have seen are gorgeous.

I posted a video of a working model that looks awful. The only pictures I've seen are CG renders of what they want it to look like.

Is there an actual photo of this thing anywhere?

 

[DataStream]

This is a much better blog post dealing with Flash from someone at Adobe.

http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2010/01/sympathy_for_the_devil.html

 

[Karma]

The design renders or the CES pics/video?

Must have been renders.

I posted a video of a working model that looks awful. The only pictures I've seen are CG renders of what they want it to look like.

Is there an actual photo of this thing anywhere?

Watching the video he says it is a working prototype and that the actually device is way slimmer.

 

[Vennt]

Ugly? The pics I have seen are gorgeous.

The concepts were lovely, the model shown at CES? Not so much.

They should have stuck to this as a target for it, or not released the concept renders at all, the model shown looks plain and functional in comparison.

vs.

 

[Tobor]

I think you will see tablet apps. There was Droid and Nexus apps almost immediately after they released.




Ugly? The pics I have seen are gorgeous.

I was talking about the original design. The new one they showed at CES is better, but seriously, whats this the fat roll? How do I store that in my bag?

@Vennt, to each his own. I think the CES version is far superior to that render.

 

[border]

Look at Notion Ink's website -- http://www.notionink.com/

Is that a company you want to buy a $500 piece of electronics from? I think it would be cool if they have a great product, but they are running off WordPress and a website that I could have designed -- and I haven't taken an HTML class since 1999.

 

[Reginald P. Linux]

I posted a video of a working model that looks awful.

Again, about 2 minutes into that video the person clearly says what he's showing is a prototype.

 

[Vennt]

Look at Notion Ink's website -- http://www.notionink.com/

Is that a company you want to buy a $500 piece of electronics from? I think it would be cool if they have a great product, but they are running off WordPress and a website that I could have designed -- and I haven't taken an HTML class since 1999.

That's the one thing that really gives me pause for them, the same deal for JooJoo (CrunchPad) to be honest, they just don't seem to have the clout they need to bring a device like this to mass market.

 

[Keylime]

Again, about 2 minutes into that video the person clearly says what he's showing is a prototype.

So what did you want me to base my opinion of the device on?

I post a video of a working model of the device, with some guy saying "...but it's going to be way better than this." I've seen the CG renders. I don't have a price. I don't have a release date. I haven't seen a final product.

What's to get excited about? The screen tech is the only thing about the device that interests me.

 

[Mr. Dobalina]

That's the one thing that really gives me pause for them, the same deal for JooJoo (CrunchPad) to be honest, they just don't seem to have the clout they need to bring a device like this to mass market.

...and how do you think the tech support is going to be?

It's kind of like buying off ebay versus Craigslist (or some shadier version thereof). Ebay might rape you a little bit on the fees, but you have some recourse and can usually sort problems out. Craigslist seems better, but you better bring your anti-rape kit and there's always the possiblity someone just snatches your money and runs.

At least you know Apple will be thee if the thing breaks.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

What's so great about the notion ink over the iPad that says people should be looking at that instead? Only major difference from that list is multitasking it seems.

 

[mrkgoo]

4 out of those 6 tablets have multi tasking and other features the Ipad doesn't. Apple is asking up to $830 for a tablet that doesn't even have multi tasking. Lol.

I get that, but I always hated comparisons like that when they're taken at face value. You can look at any one category and make a for or against argument based on one thing.

Multitasking is great and all, but seriously, let's say the iPad HAD multitasking (Again, it could be an omission based on technicality, or it could be laziness - Apple maybe just upscaled the iPhone OS, at least for now, which doesn't have room for it) - would you honestly then go out and buy one? Because if not, then the point is moot.

I get that certain features (or rather, lack thereof) are deal breakers for some. It's not for me. Well at least as far as I know. Maybe I will end up using this device completely differently than I imagine, and I will miss multitasking immensely later, but in concept, it isn't dealbreaking for me.

What do people want multitasking for? I see two main reasons:

1) Pandora
2) IM

1) I don't use pandora. Access to my iPod is sufficient for me.

2) I DO use IM, and I would probably very much likely use IM at the same time as doing something else like browsing.

But it's not deal breaking. If the thing doesn't have multitasking, then I guess I just won't IM while I'm browsing. There'll probably be a notification system just like the iPhone, so the whole IM thing for me is mitigated to minimal levels in that case.

I get that this is a dealbreaker for some. Thats fine. Don't buy one until it has multitasking. I'm not defending the lack of multitasking, but I'm also not elevating it to the status of number one feature.

 

[Tobor]

Clearly Notion isn't shipping in Spring like that chart says, anyway. They don't have a final design, they aren't taking preorders, and they don't even have an announced price.

HP will be the real competitor, but again, no timeline, and no price. We'll have to wait and see.

 

[numble]

Notion Ink is an Indian start-up company, so far they've just shown a CG render and a prototype made of off the shelf parts put together. I don't know if they have the clout to get it customized down for their target render.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

What's to get excited about? The screen tech is the only thing about the device that interests me.

I thought you were interested in a touch-interface tablet that is light and can read docs and surf the web and has an app store, no?

I will say, that video highlights an issue with all tablets-- how to type when you are holding it in one hand. The iPad stuff I've seen has been careful not to hit that situation, but it will happen all the time-- people with these will be pecking at the keyboard with a single finger. There's an obvious-enough way around it-- a split keyboard that pops up near where your thumbs will be-- but the fact that I didn't see that on the iPad tells me Apple has not thought this all the way through (which they usually do).

 

[Reginald P. Linux]

So what did you want me to base my opinion of the device on?

Keep an open mind? I don't have an opinion one way or another regarding the Notion Ink (this thread is actually the first i've heard about it), but i'm not going to pass judgment based on a prototype.

 

[Vennt]

What's so great about the notion ink over the iPad that says people should be looking at that instead? Only major difference from that list is multitasking it seems.

The Pixel Qi screen is nothing to sniff at, neither is the openness of it being Android based.

For me I've got to weigh up the likelyhood of support of the Adam, versus the certainty of support for the iPad, the closed nature of the iPad versus the open nature of the Adam, and the quantity of apps on Android market versus on the App Store for the iPad.

I've plenty of time yet to weigh them up, but seeing as I do want a light-weight slate-style "couch/bed internet / media browser" I'll end up getting one of them, or maybe the HP Slate or MS Courier will knock me for six.

I'm not so much in the market for an iPad as I am in the market for a device that offers what it offers, what I buy is up in the air, but for me, the iPad is hell of a contender and has shown me that a few of my original considerations really won't come close. (Archos, JooJoo etc.)

I will say, that video highlights an issue with all tablets-- how to type when you are holding it in one hand. The iPad stuff I've seen has been careful not to hit that situation, but it will happen all the time-- people with these will be pecking at the keyboard with a single finger. There's an obvious-enough way around it-- a split keyboard that pops up near where your thumbs will be-- but the fact that I didn't see that on the iPad tells me Apple has not thought this all the way through (which they usually do).

Pity me, I two-finger 'peck' when typing on my desktop.

 

[Keylime]

I thought you were interested in a touch-interface tablet that is light and can read docs and surf the web and has an app store, no?

Not really, no. I was interested to see Apple's take on it, but I'm not so sure it delivered something that I can get behind.

I have no interest integrating an Android device into my ecosystem unless the thing is balls to the wall fucking incredible, which nothing I've seen has been so far.

This device especially is not worthy whatsoever of discussion considering it isn't even real yet.

Keep an open mind? I don't have an opinion one way or another regarding the Notion Ink (this thread is actually the first i've heard about it), but i'm not going to pass judgment based on a prototype.

You're misplacing my judgment of the prototype as a judgment of the final product. If this thing is shown in it's final capacity and it's fucking incredible, I'll say so.

What I saw was rubbish.

For what it's worth, I haven't been all roses on the iPad, either.

 

[SephCast]

2) I DO use IM, and I would probably very much likely use IM at the same time as doing something else like browsing.

But it's not deal breaking. If the thing doesn't have multitasking, then I guess I just won't IM while I'm browsing. There'll probably be a notification system just like the iPhone, so the whole IM thing for me is mitigated to minimal levels in that case.

I get that this is a dealbreaker for some. Thats fine. Don't buy one until it has multitasking. I'm not defending the lack of multitasking, but I'm also not elevating it to the status of number one feature.

Yeah, I basically only want IM+Browser. It'll happen either through some kind of notification system or a browser that has a built in panel for IMing. What's that? It sounds like AOL. :lol

 

[Schlep]

1) Pandora
2) IM

2) I DO use IM, and I would probably very much likely use IM at the same time as doing something else like browsing.

You can multitask IM on the iPad the same as iPhone/iPod Touch. Beejive IM is a great program with push notifications, and knowing those guys, they'll make a really good iPad version of the program as well.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Not really, no. I was interested to see Apple's take on it, but I'm not so sure it delivered something that I can get behind.

I have no interest integrating an Android device into my ecosystem unless the thing is balls to the wall fucking incredible, which nothing I've seen has been so far.

There's nothing to integrate, an Android device is even simpler and more standalone than an iPod/iPhone, as it doesn't sync with iTunes.

Personally, I'm not that interested for the same reasons I'm not that interested in the iPad. It's not serving any particular need for me that isn't already met by my phone, iPod, or MacBook.

 

[mrkgoo]

I thought you were interested in a touch-interface tablet that is light and can read docs and surf the web and has an app store, no?

I will say, that video highlights an issue with all tablets-- how to type when you are holding it in one hand. The iPad stuff I've seen has been careful not to hit that situation, but it will happen all the time-- people with these will be pecking at the keyboard with a single finger. There's an obvious-enough way around it-- a split keyboard that pops up near where your thumbs will be-- but the fact that I didn't see that on the iPad tells me Apple has not thought this all the way through (which they usually do).

In a way, the execution of the iPad is such a brave move by Apple in that it is so reserved. People were expecting something amazing, revolutionary, and more 'gimmicks'. I'm not saying a split keyboard is a gimmick - it sounds very natural, but It ink Apple just made stand on this one and chose elegance and simplicity of functionality (they often do that).

I personally like the standard keyboard on the iPad. I would've preferred perhaps a couple more keys (like a cursor control), but I'm not seeing myself writing huge big long things on this. An occasional email, and forum post. I will probably buy iWork, just to have them, but I doubt I'd use them that much to be honest. I'm ok with using one hand to type, and then for longer things, sit down and go landscape for two hands. Also, I think it's a joke that Jony says this is a device that conforms to you. I'm going to have to do so much conforming to it! But I have no problem with that.

Maybe the form factor is going to be useless. I might hate it. I don't know because I've never had such a device before. It's gonna be fun!

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

The Pixel Qi screen is nothing to sniff at, neither is the openness of it being Android based.

For me I've got to weigh up the likelyhood of support of the Adam, versus the certainty of support for the iPad, the closed nature of the iPad versus the open nature of the Adam, and the quantity of apps on Android market versus on the App Store for the iPad.

I've plenty of time yet to weigh them up, but seeing as I do want a light-weight slate-style "couch/bed internet / media browser" I'll end up getting one of them, or maybe the HP Slate or MS Courier will knock me for six.

I'm not so much in the market for an iPad as I am in the market for a device that offers what it offers, what I buy is up in the air, but for me, the iPad is hell of a contender and has shown me that a few of my original considerations really won't come close. (Archos, JooJoo etc.)



Pity me, I two-finger 'peck' when typing on my desktop.

Ah, I had no idea about that Qi screen but I guess that shows what other people were saying that charts like that can be misleading.

 

[gcubed]

again yes, notion ink is an unknown at this time. The hardware is there, they say that the target renders are what its going to look at, and the CES device was built solely to show off the screen and the tablet functions. There target price was below $400 I believe. They are developing a fron end for android, but again, the only thing that was shown was a in progress prototype with a crap slow front end. I dont really have any worry about support for the Adam as its basically just an android box and will run the apps, but the company is where the worry is.

That being said, if it delivers, it will be awesome

 

[Keylime]

There's nothing to integrate, an Android device is even simpler and more standalone than an iPod/iPhone, as it doesn't sync with iTunes.

For me, that's actually a big minus. I know Double Twist exists, but I'm probably one of the, if not the biggest, consumer of iTunes content.

Personally, I'm not that interested for the same reasons I'm not that interested in the iPad. It's not serving any particular need for me that isn't already met by my phone, iPod, or MacBook.

Ditto.

Until something comes out that convinces me I need something between what I have, I'll try my best to hold my ground. I'm a total victim of tech-lust, though, so if something comes out that is sick enough, I figure out how to integrate it into my life whether it belongs there or not :lol

 

[blu]

Do tell. Grandma's only getting the $500 model. I doubt she's springing for an extra $130 + $30/mo subscription for a 3G version. I'm certainly not buying it for her. So how does she get on the web with the $500 SKU without a wifi network setup?

so basically grandma is too senile to ask in the store what that wifi-shmifi means, subsequently will not be asked by the clerk if she has one at home, which would help her decide she'd rather take the 3G one which is serviced like a phone, staring from $15/month (yes, i know it's be real tough for her to give up those torrents). at the same time she has idiot children, apparently, who'd get her a $500 device she cannot really use for lack of wifi. gotcha. does she at least have electricity in her house?

iPad has USB ports now? Hot diggity!

you may want to inform yourself of the available accessories before jumping into arguments on usability scenarios. me thinks.

And so now apparently she's not using her $500 iPad until she gets over to her grandkids place, got it.

she gets her grandkids' pictures from the grandkids' network, when she visits them. too complicated to grasp, i know.

Why are we buying Grandma this $500 device again when she's apparently ignoring a large portion of its core features?

spoken like a true nerd. i'm sure she'd lose her sleep over 'ignoring a large portion of her new gadget toy's core features'.

Grandma's hands are a bit arthritic and she's more than a little hesitant to carry such an expensive device around with her in public. When Grandma gets coupons/rebates in her email, she'd like to print them out, not have to carry the iPad to the store and hold that up.

so she goes online for brick'n'mortar store coupons and rebates, because she never gets enough of those in ther snailmail box, to boot. because she's a fucking rebate-o-holic. i see. did not think of that. maybe because my parents don't do this (but they still spend 90% of their computer time in browsing and email. the rest is skype, which automatically puts them into the wating-for-camera-SKU audience). but yeah, i can see how not printing rebates can be tough.

Also, she doesn't want to read driving directions from an iPad.

of course, she'd much more print out a google maps page than use the built in GPS in her ipad. oh, right, i forgot she went for the 3G-less SKU she cannot use at home anyway. my bad.

She's also messy in the kitchen and the iPad is such a beautiful, elegant thing, she'd rather just print a recipe than run the risk of spilling something on the iPad. Besides, if she likes the recipe, she'll want to add it to the hardcopy recipe book/box of favorites that she's been keeping for decades. She's not just going to transfer all that over to the iPad.

i'm sure she'd
(a) never use a pen and paper to write down a 5 lines of text recipe (funny, i do that myself, and i have two printers connected to my home network).
(b) would never bookmark anything for later use, but would rather print it out for the records.

i got to ask my parents how many text docs they've printed out from their laptop in the entire time they've owned one. i'm suspecting a resounding 0 for an answer. they do print pictures, though (on a dye-sub, not-suitable-for-docs printer). but that's normal when the alternative is to watch them on a practically stationary laptop's LCD.

 

[Karma]

I've plenty of time yet to weigh them up, but seeing as I do want a light-weight slate-style "couch/bed internet / media browser" I'll end up getting one of them, or maybe the HP Slate or MS Courier will knock me for six.

I'm not so much in the market for an iPad as I am in the market for a device that offers what it offers, what I buy is up in the air, but for me, the iPad is hell of a contender and has shown me that a few of my original considerations really won't come close. (Archos, JooJoo etc.)

Rumor has it that HP is going to release an Android version of the Slate shown as CES with full Android Apps support.

edit:

What is all this talk about Grandmothers?

 

[Blackhead]

posted already?

Nintendo chief unimpressed with Apple's iPad

Nintendo chief unimpressed with iPad, planning more than just 3D for next machine

Nintendo's president shrugged off the just unveiled iPad tablet computer from Apple as delivering "no surprises," and displayed as little enthusiasm for 3-D technology and high-definition upgrades for games.

"It was a bigger iPod Touch," Satoru Iwata said of the much anticipated device shown Wednesday by Apple Inc. CEO Steve Jobs.

Iwata denied speculation in Japanese media that what Nintendo Co. has in the works in new gadgets may be a DS equipped with a motion-sensor similar to the wand for Nintendo's hit Wii home console, or a Wii upgraded for high-definition TVs.

"I question whether those features would be enough to get people to buy new machines," he said of the DS. Nintendo engineers are developing new machines, he said, without giving details.

Iwata also doesn't expect 3D video-gaming to catch on, although he welcomed 3D movies at theaters like James Cameron's hit "Avatar."

"I have doubts whether people will be wearing glasses to play games at home. How is that going to look to other people?" he said at a Tokyo hotel.

Sony Corp. and other technology companies are making big investments in 3-D TVs, expecting it will boost sales growth in the next few years.

Kyoto-based Nintendo, the maker of Pokemon and Super Mario games, would also have to look into the possible health effects of longtime 3-D game playing, which is likely to last longer than a two-hour film, Iwata said.

Nintendo has scored success by making games easier to play for the elderly, women and newcomers. Iwata reiterated his company will continue on that track as potential for sales growth remains in Japan, the U.S. and Europe.

He made no pretense to hide he was totally unimpressed with the iPad.

"There were no surprises for me," said Iwata.

Apple says the iPad is a new kind of mobile device that is more intimate than a laptop but is packed with more functions than a mobile phone.

On Thursday, Nintendo reported April-December profit fell 9 percent as solid year-end sales failed to make up for the weak results for the earlier part of the fiscal year, a rising yen and a price cut for the Wii.

 

[Vennt]

If I hear about Grandma one more damn time, I swear I'm gonna....

 

[Keylime]

posted already?

Nintendo chief unimpressed with Apple's iPad

On the gaming side, yes. Fresh over here, though, I believe.

...not all that hard to understand why Nintendo has no interest in an iPad succeeding in the market, though.

 

[gcubed]

If I hear about Grandma one more damn time, I swear I'm gonna....

if someone talks about grandma they need to buy an archos and be mired in crappiness

 

[C.Dark.DN]

If I hear about Grandma one more damn time, I swear I'm gonna....

:lol

 

[Vennt]

if someone talks about grandma they need to buy an archos and be mired in crappiness

You just know the Archos is going to have an EM field so strong around it that it can stop pacemakers at 20 yards.

That's if the battery lasts long enough to even get that close

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Do they usually show new devices before release but after announcement or will we not be able to physically try an iPad until 58 days or whatever when you can purchase?

 

[Teddman]

I don't want to read comics on a PC or laptop. That's a failure.

Admit it, you didn't know that Marvel had a full-fledged digital subscription service rather than just a "store." But that's all they have in iPhone land.

This is the problem with a walled garden approach.

You need to come out of your garden, sir.

 

[SuperPac]

What do people want multitasking for? I see two main reasons:

1) Pandora
2) IM

1) I don't use pandora. Access to my iPod is sufficient for me.

2) I DO use IM, and I would probably very much likely use IM at the same time as doing something else like browsing.

Agreed. People who're complaining about multitasking only want it for an audio streaming app or IM.

IM is gonna be taken care of. You gotta figure Beejive or the other devs that have IM apps in the store are working on something for the iPad. And I'd be surprised if the 3G version of the iPad doesn't support push notifications, so there ya go. I use Beejive on my iPhone all the time and it's fantastic. I used it before they had push notifications and it was great then too.

Audio streaming... for me, it's not an issue. I have Pandora and the NPR app on my phone but I rarely use them. I wouldn't decide to buy/not buy a device based solely on that, especially since you can listen to your personal music library via the iPod app while running other apps.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

Do they usually show new devices before release but after announcement or will we not be able to physically try an iPad until 58 days or whatever when you can purchase?

What?

 

[VGChampion]

What?

I believe he's wondering if the iPad will be in stores to try out before you can purchase them in 58 days.

 

[Flek]

"Nintendo chief unimpressed with Apple's iPad"

Uh yeha and apple is totally unimpressed with nintendos stealing of apple product design and commercials.

 

[wayward archer]

Do they usually show new devices before release but after announcement or will we not be able to physically try an iPad until 58 days or whatever when you can purchase?

I'm sure they'll demo them in an apple store and maybe even best buy and other places.

 

[SuperPac]

posted already?

Nintendo chief unimpressed with Apple's iPad

That's pretty hilarious to me especially since they just put out a bigger DSi.

 

[mrkgoo]

That's pretty hilarious to me especially since they just put out a bigger DSi.

To be fair, when they announced the XL, they said pretty much said, "this is just a bigger DS".

There would be much less backlash had Apple release an iPod Touch XL. For whatever reason.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

I believe he's wondering if the iPad will be in stores to try out before you can purchase them in 58 days.

Correct, sorry if the wording was confusing. It seems like this more so than anything else they sell where you have to try it in person.

 

[mrkgoo]

If I hear about Grandma one more damn time, I swear I'm gonna....

What have you got against my Grandma?


My grandma would roll in her grave from hearing all this speak about her.