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[mrkgoo]

Also, plenty of music peripherals (assuming they make garageband for it)

I begin to wonder how universal that dock connector to USB really is.

I'm positive Apple want you to use dock port for any expandability. I know it's not universal, you don't need to point that out to me.

I figure it's just like an iPhone. Ironical,y an iPhone is likely to get some kind of usb port in the next iteration by my gathering.

 

[mrkgoo]

I like the idea of syncing, but what happens if you take the iPad somewhere else?

I'd wager some wireless solution? If you were desperate to get a file to some location, then you can use Steve's favourite answer to everything and just email it.

 

[numble]

They want to push mobile me.

 

[mrkgoo]

They want to push mobile me.

Ha, forgot about that. They probably have too.

At this stage, I'm thinking that they don't want to add ports for things that only have one use. Let's fact additional storage/transfer is only for iWork, which not everyone will have.

Yes, they could open it up to third party apps, but I'm guessing Apple really don't want people being able to dump stuff out that easily, or at the very least have an app be able to accept things easily. What's the point of a DLC system if you allow people to allow their apps to easily accept files?.

 

[jts]

I begin to wonder how universal that dock connector to USB really is.

I'm positive Apple want you to use dock port for any expandability. I know it's not universal, you don't need to point that out to me.

I figure it's just like an iPhone. Ironical,y an iPhone is likely to get some kind of usb port in the next iteration by my gathering.

Hummm... interesting.

I think all handsets will have to have micro-USB for charging from 2012 onwards, in order to make the universal charger a reality.

Always wondered how Apple would deal with that.

 

[mrkgoo]

Hummm... interesting.

I think all handsets will have to have micro-USB for charging from 2012 onwards, in order to make the universal charger a reality.

Always wondered how Apple would deal with that.

I said that based on memory - that it was some regulation or something in the EU that mobile devices had to be able to be charged by standard mini-USB or something. But you never know, maybe Apple's way around that is to have a dock connector adaptor

 

[Tobor]

I want a usb port if they don't have an elegant solution to move files to and from the iPad to be used with iWork.

We already know for a fact they do.

 

[Raistlin]

I said that based on memory - that it was some regulation or something in the EU that mobile devices had to be able to be charged by standard mini-USB or something. But you never know, maybe Apple's way around that is to have a dock connector adaptor

It's quite possible to make a USB/mini-USB port that only supports charging

 

[jts]

I said that based on memory - that it was some regulation or something in the EU that mobile devices had to be able to be charged by standard mini-USB or something. But you never know, maybe Apple's way around that is to have a dock connector adaptor

That's probably not a good enough way around, though, lawfully speaking :lol

I believe that Apple would/will add a micro-USB port for charging purposes only in addition to the 30-pin dock connector, which they won't have to drop that way.

Having 2 redundant ports is not the most elegant or Apple-like solution but hey, dura lex sed lex. The only other option would be dropping the dock connector altogether.

 

[mrkgoo]

It's quite possible to make a USB/mini-USB port that only supports charging

Yeah, I know it's possible, but more in line with Apple's policy of not want to stick useless ports (I'd argue it's pretty useful, however). Not so much about expansion.

That said, I think you can already get adaptors probably. But as JTS said, if it is standardised, I'm sure they wouldn't be allowed this way around :loll.


Just an additional port for charging is about the only thing they can do. I doubt they'd get rid of the dock connector.


I guess when Apple didn't want flash for the iPad they didn't want it in anyway :lol.

 

[see5harp]

Hummm... interesting.

I think all handsets will have to have micro-USB for charging from 2012 onwards, in order to make the universal charger a reality.

Always wondered how Apple would deal with that.

Adapter so that third parties can get a piece and so they can charge a premium for the same thing.

 

[aaaaa0]

Everything on the taskbar should be good for touch use except for the notification area. But after that, you run into problems..

[...]

Software just hasn't been designed for big, inaccurate fingers on a small 10" display.

While true, you can make things a bit better by turning on High DPI mode.

 

[Terrell]

I want a usb port if they don't have an elegant solution to move files to and from the iPad to be used with iWork.

....... did you forget we're talking about Apple? Elegant file synchronization is how they got to the position they're in right now in the MP3 market. Of all the things to doubt about Apple, I didn't think THIS would ever be on the table.

 

[Technosteve]

Would apple allow stanza and classics app on the ipad?

 

[mrkgoo]

Would apple allow stanza and classics app on the ipad?

I'm sure they will.

 

[Alfarif]

Everything on the taskbar should be good for touch use except for the notification area. But after that, you run into problems..

Software just hasn't been designed for big, inaccurate fingers on a small 10" display.

Whoa, your name is Warren? So is mine. Weirded me out for a second seeing that. Or is that from something else? Either way, I was like "What the hell? We haven't upgraded to 7 at work yet....."

 

[Juice]

Would apple allow stanza and classics app on the ipad?

They're free to let themselves get spanked.

It's like when Panic told Steve Jobs they were working on a photo management app (prior to the announcement of iPhoto). It's one of my favorite Jobs quotes:

I remember [Jobs] asked, "Do you have any other ideas for apps you want to work on?" I replied, genuinely, "Well, we've got an idea for a digital photo management program..." and he replied with a simple, "Yeah. Don't do that one."

 

[kaching]

Everything on the taskbar should be good for touch use except for the notification area. But after that, you run into problems..

Software just hasn't been designed for big, inaccurate fingers on a small 10" display.

Most of that is not really any smaller than what you interact with on an iPhone screen.

What do people want a USB port on this for?

If nothing else, so I can use an SD card dongle from among the ones I already own. I don't need another.

A standard USB port extends the flexibility of the device significantly at little or no extra cost.

 

[favouriteflavour]

From reading the last few pages the consensus is that this computer is designed to work as an accessory to another computer and is not designed as a replacement for your macbook or PC. Yeah?

 

[mrkgoo]

From reading the last few pages the consensus is that this computer is designed to work as an accessory to another computer and is not designed as a replacement for your macbook or PC. Yeah?

yeah.

 

[Fafalada]

A lot of people don't realize how many things actually use flash.

No thanks to Adobe though.
For games, 99% of 3rd party Flash renderers were created(at least initially) by reverse-engineering Flash (that includes scaleform). And scaleform is just the tip of the iceberg really - I can name 4-5 proprietary solutions used across many shipped games and I'm sure there were more.

Legacy Flash architecture was also a huge mess(I was "fortunate" enough to write one of those renderers myself) - I don't know if anything changed since 9.0 but either way, you have to keep supporting legacy if implementation is for the web or general purpose device.

It's a stupid decision business wise, but from engineering perspective I can understand platform holders that refuse to take on flash.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

Thinking about it, it makes perfect sense that Apple would use the iPhone OS for this. It's an OS that's been research and developed for a touch based interface for years with a huge investment. I know that Apple should have uped the ante for the OS (unless OS 4 will do some significant changes), but all in all it makes sense.

 

[mrkgoo]

Most of that is not really any smaller than what you interact with on an iPhone screen.

If nothing else, so I can use an SD card dongle from among the ones I already own. I don't need another.

A standard USB port extends the flexibility of the device significantly at little or no extra cost.

The more I think about it, the more I reckon it's just locking the device down. If they have a USB port, they'd kind of have to open it up to third party use. If they do that, they'd have to limit the files that can be read by apps (lest they read some bad stuff like malware - it's like a way to get bad code into an app - also, it's a way to bypass DLC content - a company might charge for expansions from outside). Basically, Apple would want to limit it. If it's limited, what's the point? They may as well just not have it. It would confuse users that they plug something in and it doesn't work.

then again, the dock connector to USB (I'm guessing only for photo video transfer one way) can be just as confusing, but they sell it as a 'Camera connector kit', so maybe that's ok.

It's probably just easier not to have one at this stage. Not defending the decision, but I can see so many reasons why they shouldn't (from their perspective) and very few reasons why they should (from their perspective).

For us it's mostly an ideal that represents expansion, when really it's all 'maybe' this, and 'maybe' that.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

I'm really curious what the killer aps will be for the iPad. What are some apps that you hope to see?

 

[Schlep]

From reading the last few pages the consensus is that this computer is designed to work as an accessory to another computer and is not designed as a replacement for your macbook or PC. Yeah?

For the moment, I believe so. Until you can back the iPad up without a computer (NAS, USB HDD, MobileMe, whatever), it's kind of hard to imagine using it without a computer. You know a solution is coming somewhere down the road, just not in rev. A.

I'm really curious what the killer aps will be for the iPad. What are some apps that you hope to see?

A real version of Quicken would be nice. Also I'd like to see Apple update the Photo app to allow for very basic editing like enhance, red eye, and touch up.

 

[mrkgoo]

I'm really curious what the killer aps will be for the iPad. What are some apps that you hope to see?

Brushes for me. Even though I barely use it. I like the idea of it.

Photoboard for a larger surface (it was basically a viewing app that you could throw photos around on it).

Jaadu VNC (or some other screen sharing app for my Mac).

I know these are unimaginative, as they're mostly bigger versions of existing apps, but these apps would actually be much better on a larger screen.

I wonder if the iPad comes with a weather/clock app? If not, I'd like a widget version of that where it has both.

Of course games are a big thing. This thing has higher res than a wii(even if it is less capable processorwise, I imagine). Games that utilise more gestures and stuff.

I'm actually going to buy iWorks (mac) because of this. iWorks 10 is probably coming along with better tools to sync?

 

[Tobor]

I'm really curious what the killer aps will be for the iPad. What are some apps that you hope to see?

Games that take advantage of the large screen and are innovative. Local multiplayer games will be big.

 

[Buckethead]

I'm really curious what the killer aps will be for the iPad. What are some apps that you hope to see?

Anything that comes out really soon to keep Windows 7 screens out of this thread. MY EYESSSS.

But seriously I'd like to see:
-Coda
-CandyBar
-Final Cut Keyboard Remote
-QuickBooks
-iChat
-iChat AV
-Verizon Bill Management

 

[mrkgoo]

Anything that comes out really soon to keep Windows 7 screens out of this thread. MY EYESSSS.

But seriously I'd like to see:
-Coda
-CandyBar
-Final Cut Keyboard Remote
-QuickBooks
-iChat
-iChat AV
-Verizon Bill Management

iChatAV.....

You make want a camera again. Although a blog someone posted earlier made a good point. You'd have to hold this thing at arms length. Since you can't multitask, you'd have to essentially make it a calling only device (i.e., not just have it while you do something), especially if you don't have a stand. What are you going to do, lay it down? I guess that's minor. There are reports of leaked iPad parts containing space for a camera, but it's one of those kind of random out of nowhere rumours. Who knows what that parts from (although the idea is enticing).

If it had a camera, a mirror app could've been funny (not that it'd be different from a chat app - but you wouldn't need a network).

 

[favouriteflavour]

For the moment, I believe so. Until you can back the iPad up without a computer (NAS, USB HDD, MobileMe, whatever), it's kind of hard to imagine using it without a computer. You know a solution is coming somewhere down the road, just not in rev. A.

Without the added functionality I don't see it as a device for me. Too much of a gadget at that point.

 

[mAcOdIn]

Why would someone want a tablet to be a replacement computer? Typing's a bitch, don't care how much someone says they like the onscreen keyboard, no one wants to write a novel or paper with a touch screen tablet. Placing more horsepower under the hood kills the battery life, so even if it were powerful enough to run Dragon Age it'd be useless. I guess you could lug around some kind of screen mount/dock, keyboard and mouse and make it a portable computer but at that point why not just get a larger laptop or PC and lug it around?

I like the idea of a portable tablet for lots of shit, navigation, reading on the go, checking up on websites on a bearable screen, watching videos, last minute school or work revisions, shit like that. I know that phones can do most of that now but I find it unbearable on such a small screen. Plus the navigation thing I think will be really cool, especially now that the screen should be large enough to fit a protractor on, hopefully you can preload maps so you can bring them up even if you don't have a wireless signal, yes some people can still use maps without GPS satellites.

Wait, this thing doesn't have USB? So I can't do last minute edits of my school work and send it to a flash drive then print it out at school? Or will one of their fucking docks do that? Grr, I'm starting to not like it too much.

 

[favouriteflavour]

Why would someone want a tablet to be a replacement computer? Typing's a bitch, don't care how much someone says they like the onscreen keyboard, no one wants to write a novel or paper with a touch screen tablet. Placing more horsepower under the hood kills the battery life, so even if it were powerful enough to run Dragon Age it'd be useless. I guess you could lug around some kind of screen mount/dock, keyboard and mouse and make it a portable computer but at that point why not just get a larger laptop or PC and lug it around?

I like the idea of a portable tablet for lots of shit, navigation, reading on the go, checking up on websites on a bearable screen, watching videos, last minute school or work revisions, shit like that. I know that phones can do most of that now but I find it unbearable on such a small screen. Plus the navigation thing I think will be really cool, especially now that the screen should be large enough to fit a protractor on, hopefully you can preload maps so you can bring them up even if you don't have a wireless signal, yes some people can still use maps without GPS satellites.

Wait, this thing doesn't have USB? So I can't do last minute edits of my school work and send it to a flash drive then print it out at school? Or will one of their fucking docks do that? Grr, I'm starting to not like it too much.

Once you finish school and college unless you use your computer for work you do not tend to type all that much.

 

[mattiewheels]

Wait, this thing doesn't have USB? So I can't do last minute edits of my school work and send it to a flash drive then print it out at school? Or will one of their fucking docks do that? Grr, I'm starting to not like it too much.

You could email it, or publish it to the web.

 

[Flek]

You could email it, or publish it to the web.

or upload it to dropbox/idisk

 

[Buckethead]

I'd love if Apple were to develop a Documents app.
Store PDFs, Keynotes, Docs, etc. to view them, then if you own any of the iWork apps then open them with those programs.

 

[mAcOdIn]

Once you finish school and college unless you use your computer for work you do not tend to type all that much.

My 30 year old ass will keep that in mind, thanks. I don't care about it's typing ability really, thought that was clear in my post. I was trying to make the argument that for this device to be as flexible and powerful as a computer replacement would be expected to be, it'd be a shitty portable tablet, so I'm trying to explain why I feel a person would be foolish to want to replace their computer with a tablet.

I do care about the ability to transfer data not just between my home PC but ANY PC, connected to the internet or not so the lack of a USB hurts this device a lot.

You could email it, or publish it to the web.

Yes I could in some situations and I can't in others, that's the most retarded defense of the lack of a USB port ever. If that dock does not have some kind of USB functionality then I'm done with this device. The dock isn't make or break because obviously I'm going to be carrying around a power plug in the same thing the tablet would get carried in, so, so long as the cheapest dock is more so a bundle of different cables than an actual "dock" then I'm ok with that. Being that I can't watch the presentation due to having no decent internet at the moment I'm slowly getting the details of this, I should probably have started at the start of the thread and just slowly trodded through, then I would have known yesterday there was no USB, but I just assumed that in 2010 there'd be one USB port on a portable computing device.

There's just something backwards(I guess too foreward actually, lol) about not being able to share information with this device outside syncing and emailing. I still have a lot of friends and family out here on the edge of civilization and the boonies that have shit internet, I don't want to email them everything, especially if I'm in the same God damn room but just don't have the capability to hook this damn tablet to their computer and transfer it.

I foregave the lack of a true GPS because I don't need that sissy shit, I can read a fucking map if I'm not in range of a cell tower but I can not forgive it if it doesn't have some kind of way of transferring information outside of directly syncing. So many people just seem to think we all live in places just blanketed by wifi and 3g networks that not being in range is so rare to not even warrant consideration but if I go 15 minutes North I can't even get a cell phone signal let alone edge.

 

[mrkgoo]

My 30 year old ass will keep that in mind, thanks. I don't care about it's typing ability really, thought that was clear in my post. I was trying to make the argument that for this device to be as flexible and powerful as a computer replacement would be expected to be, it'd be a shitty portable tablet, so I'm trying to explain why I feel a person would be foolish to want to replace their computer with a tablet.

I do care about the ability to transfer data not just between my home PC but ANY PC, connected to the internet or not so the lack of a USB hurts this device a lot.

Yes I could in some situations and I can't in others, that's the most retarded defense of the lack of a USB port ever. If that dock does not have some kind of USB functionality then I'm done with this device. The dock isn't make or break because obviously I'm going to be carrying around a power plug in the same thing the tablet would get carried in, so, so long as the cheapest dock is more so a bundle of different cables than an actual "dock" then I'm ok with that. Being that I can't watch the presentation due to having no decent internet at the moment I'm slowly getting the details of this, I should probably have started at the start of the thread and just slowly trodded through, then I would have known yesterday there was no USB, but I just assumed that in 2010 there'd be one USB port on a portable computing device.

There's just something backwards(I guess too foreward actually, lol) about not being able to share information with this device outside syncing and emailing. I still have a lot of friends and family out here on the edge of civilization and the boonies that have shit internet, I don't want to email them everything, especially if I'm in the same God damn room but just don't have the capability to hook this damn tablet to their computer and transfer it.

I foregave the lack of a true GPS because I don't need that sissy shit, I can read a fucking map if I'm not in range of a cell tower but I can not forgive it if it doesn't have some kind of way of transferring information outside of directly syncing. So many people just seem to think we all live in places just blanketed by wifi and 3g networks that not being in range is so rare to not even warrant consideration but if I go 15 minutes North I can't even get a cell phone signal let alone edge.

The 3G version has true gps. It's assisted meaning if cell towers are available it can use them to get a faster lock.

It won't have a USB. I'm convinced it's because it's to keep the device locked down. There's no accessible file system outside of apps anyway. It would be pointless to have a USB that only Apple's apps use, and not everyone has those apps anyway.

Yes, I know it sounds crazy. Welcome to the world of Apple.

The device is 'not for you'.

 

[maharg]

I'd love if Apple were to develop a Documents app.
Store PDFs, Keynotes, Docs, etc. to view them, then if you own any of the iWork apps then open them with those programs.

So.. basically, Finder.

 

[mrkgoo]

So.. basically, Finder.

:lol

 

[favouriteflavour]

My 30 year old ass will keep that in mind, thanks. I don't care about it's typing ability really, thought that was clear in my post. I was trying to make the argument that for this device to be as flexible and powerful as a computer replacement would be expected to be, it'd be a shitty portable tablet, so I'm trying to explain why I feel a person would be foolish to want to replace their computer with a tablet.

I do care about the ability to transfer data not just between my home PC but ANY PC, connected to the internet or not so the lack of a USB hurts this device a lot.

Yes I could in some situations and I can't in others, that's the most retarded defense of the lack of a USB port ever. If that dock does not have some kind of USB functionality then I'm done with this device. The dock isn't make or break because obviously I'm going to be carrying around a power plug in the same thing the tablet would get carried in, so, so long as the cheapest dock is more so a bundle of different cables than an actual "dock" then I'm ok with that. Being that I can't watch the presentation due to having no decent internet at the moment I'm slowly getting the details of this, I should probably have started at the start of the thread and just slowly trodded through, then I would have known yesterday there was no USB, but I just assumed that in 2010 there'd be one USB port on a portable computing device.

There's just something backwards(I guess too foreward actually, lol) about not being able to share information with this device outside syncing and emailing. I still have a lot of friends and family out here on the edge of civilization and the boonies that have shit internet, I don't want to email them everything, especially if I'm in the same God damn room but just don't have the capability to hook this damn tablet to their computer and transfer it.

I foregave the lack of a true GPS because I don't need that sissy shit, I can read a fucking map if I'm not in range of a cell tower but I can not forgive it if it doesn't have some kind of way of transferring information outside of directly syncing. So many people just seem to think we all live in places just blanketed by wifi and 3g networks that not being in range is so rare to not even warrant consideration but if I go 15 minutes North I can't even get a cell phone signal let alone edge.

I wasnt trying to imply that you were some pimply teen, more a general scenario. I agree with most of your complaints. This doesnt seem to be a computer repalcement.

 

[Buckethead]

So.. basically, Finder.

:lol

Well, look at the way they're loading documents in the iWorks apps.
They're just there automatically. Something like that.

I mean I don't always want to go into my e-mail and find the email from Stacy and look at the Excel document. Save it to the little documents app then you can delete the email. Sometimes I want to look at a Powerpoint to prepare for a speech or something.

E-mail has kinda become the defacto document storage app for a lot of people.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

I agree about the USB. That us ridiculous. If/when it gets jailbroken you know SSH will be there. Obviously doesn't help in all situations for l people but...

 

[mAcOdIn]

The 3G version has true gps. It's assisted meaning if cell towers are available it can use them to get a faster lock.

It won't have a USB. I'm convinced it's because it's to keep the device locked down. There's no accessible file system outside of apps anyway. It would be pointless to have a USB that only Apple's apps use, and not everyone has those apps anyway.

Yes, I know it sounds crazy. Welcome to the world of Apple.

The device is 'not for you'.

You sure that's how the assisted GPS works on it, if so that's back to being a plus.

I'm actually not that worried about Apple's formats though, a pdf is a pdf, a doc is a doc, so long as the Apple apps like numbers let a person choose what format to save something in I'm game. I never expected it to handle every format out there, at that point we're talking about needing a full fledged computer again, just the fairly standard ones that people run across. It doesn't even need to give me access to the file system to accomplish what I need, all it has to do is give me an option to "save to" the USB port from the program I'm using and I'd be golden. Now granted, I would have preferred to also be able to use the iPad as a "mass storage" device like I can my Ipod and cell phone and put files on there that the iPad doesn't recognize and cut out using a USB stick altogether, but my USB stick with most of my go to files and data is on my key chain, not that big of a hassle to continue carrying around.

As I bow out though, please understand I'm not bashing the device for those that like it, it just doesn't meet all of my needs yet, shoot no tablet has, props for Apple getting close though, maybe next year.

I wasnt trying to imply that you were some pimply teen, more a general scenario. I agree with most of your complaints. This doesnt seem to be a computer repalcement.

Ahh, sorry for this misunderstanding then.

 

[mrkgoo]

You sure that's how the assisted GPS works on it, if so that's back to being a plus.

I'm actually not that worried about Apple's formats though, a pdf is a pdf, a doc is a doc, so long as the Apple apps like numbers let a person choose what format to save something in I'm game. I never expected it to handle every format out there, at that point we're talking about needing a full fledged computer again, just the fairly standard ones that people run across. It doesn't even need to give me access to the file system to accomplish what I need, all it has to do is give me an option to "save to" the USB port from the program I'm using and I'd be golden. Now granted, I would have preferred to also be able to use the iPad as a "mass storage" device like I can my Ipod and cell phone and put files on there that the iPad doesn't recognize and cut out using a USB stick altogether, but my USB stick with most of my go to files and data is on my key chain, not that big of a hassle to continue carrying around.

As I bow out though, please understand I'm not bashing the device for those that like it, it just doesn't meet all of my needs yet, shoot no tablet has, props for Apple getting close though, maybe next year.
Ahh, sorry for this misunderstanding then.

Nah, I'm not grilling you, I'm being serious. To get the most out of an Apple operating environment, sometimes you have to put up with what you may initially think is completely backwards. After a while, often, you don't even know what you were complaining about when you 'get' it, but other times, it can be completely befuddling in what is actually missing.

I wasn't meaning file formats, just that in this case, you may just have to do without an easy storage transfer. A lot of people were expecting to be able to use their iPhone/iPod touch as external storage, but they locked that out. Some stuff you just have to live with. (some apps returned the functionality by connecting via wifi to another computer in a peer-to-peer). It's going to be interesting how iWorks handles file transfer. Sync is all well and good, but what about foreign cmputers? I'm not up to speed about this new file sharing thing they've got set up. Also, printing, I would've thought would be key. But do you really want to carry around drivers and stuff that you have no control to remove?

 

[mrklaw]

USB would be useful to attach a USB flash or HDD for playign back movies from.

I thought that new SDK allowed for USB host mode, although if its PTP it might only be relevant for cameras (can PTP be used for general file transfer?).

So if the 'camera connector' can be used as a general USB port, whats the big difference between plugging a USB cable in, and just having the 'camera connector' on the end of your USB cable? You could leave it attached to the USB cable and just treat it like a single cable. Not a lot of extra hassle, although you wouldn't be able to just grab any cable lying around wherever you are.

I agree its an oversight, but hopefully Apple will change the camera connector into a general USB adapter.

 

[Flek]

Hey guys has this been posted:

Did Steve Jobs’ iPad Have An iSight Camera?

Sharp-eyed observers have noticed what looks to be an iSight camera in the iPad Steve Jobs used in last week’s keynote.

Even though Jobs didn’t talk about a camera, and it’s not mentioned in Apple’s official tech specs, something that looks like an iSight camera can be seen when Jobs first holds the iPad up for everyone to see.

As he holds it up, the light catches the iPad’s surface, illuminating something underneath. That something looks like an iSight camera, similar to the ones built into MacBooks, under the screens.

In the official iPad podcast, it can be seen around the 1:23:40 mark.

It’s not conclusive, of course, but corroborates the prototype images published by Engadget in the run up to the event, which clearly show an iSight camera in the same position. And references to a camera have been found in both the iPad’s Address Book software and the iPad firmware.

The absence of a camera on the iPad has been one of the device’s most puzzling omissions. Although, as our own John Brownlee first noted, a camera in a tablet that’s sitting in your lap, staring up at you, doesn’t produce the most flattering camera angles.

UPDATE: A repair company called Mission Repair says the iPad’s frame clearly shows an empty spot for an iSight camera, and it is exactly the same size and shape as the iSight slot in a MacBook’s screen frame. (Mission Repair received a shipment of iPad parts on Monday, the company blog says).

http://www.cultofmac.com/did-steve-jobs-ipad-have-an-isight-camera/28696

oh and:

iPad SDK holds hints of video calls, handwriting "keyboard"

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2...hints-of-video-calls-handwriting-keyboard.ars

 

[mAcOdIn]

Nah, I'm not grilling you, I'm being serious. To get the most out of an Apple operating environment, sometimes you have to put up with what you may initially think is completely backwards. After a while, often, you don't even know what you were complaining about when you 'get' it, but other times, it can be completely befuddling in what is actually missing.

I wasn't meaning file formats, just that in this case, you may just have to do without an easy storage transfer. A lot of people were expecting to be able to use their iPhone/iPod touch as external storage, but they locked that out. Some stuff you just have to live with. (some apps returned the functionality by connecting via wifi to another computer in a peer-to-peer). It's going to be interesting how iWorks handles file transfer. Sync is all well and good, but what about foreign cmputers? I'm not up to speed about this new file sharing thing they've got set up. Also, printing, I would've thought would be key. But do you really want to carry around drivers and stuff that you have no control to remove?

I didn't know they removed the mass storage option from the Ipod Touch(I guess removed isn't the right word since it's a new product).

I never really argue much against Apple's usability ideas for the most part, I honestly think simplicity is key in most instances and removing options and forcing limitations on people actually makes things easier usually. If this were my home PC they could do all the crazy shit they wanted, it's stationary and doesn't need to work with anything except stuff I buy specifically to coexist with it, but a tablet is different.

I always knew Apple was always trying to lock people into their stuff, it's what they do and I generally never had a problem with it because I usually think that it added to the experience, but no usb port and no mass storage I can't accept, it locks it too much for me to use as a portable device. The ipod and iphone are small portable devices but I never expected to actually use them for self study, school, or work, this I wanted to use for everything, whether I'm at home or at some diner in some small town on my way to visit family. If it's relegated to only being useful to me in range of wifi or edge it's effectively useless for me except at the workplace where I can't use it and at home, where I'd probably use my desktop because of the keyboard and mouse. If I lived in a larger town and used public transportation and had great edge coverage I could see my opinion being slightly different but even then it severely cramps it's usability when visiting family, even if they have internet they don't have a wifi router.

 

[Flek]

Also http://blog.missionrepair.com/2010/02/01/ipad-camera-rumor-becoming-a-reality-we-think-so/

My guess

its not normal for apple to release a product "60 days later". Normally they anonce something and you can buy it right away. So my guess is there is going to be a nother keynote in these 60 days. Anouncing OS 4.0 for iphone/ipad incl. camera chat and text input.

 

[Timbuktu]

Also http://blog.missionrepair.com/2010/02/01/ipad-camera-rumor-becoming-a-reality-we-think-so/

My guess

its not normal for apple to release a product "60 days later". Normally they anonce something and you can buy it right away. So my guess is there is going to be a nother keynote in these 60 days. Anouncing OS 4.0 for iphone/ipad incl. camera chat and text input.

Nah. camera will be in rev. B, the delay I'd assume would be for FCC, get developers to start making apps, we still haven't got international prices yet.

 

[DarkJC]

Also http://blog.missionrepair.com/2010/02/01/ipad-camera-rumor-becoming-a-reality-we-think-so/

My guess

its not normal for apple to release a product "60 days later". Normally they anonce something and you can buy it right away. So my guess is there is going to be a nother keynote in these 60 days. Anouncing OS 4.0 for iphone/ipad incl. camera chat and text input.

iPhone was announced 6 months before launch. 27" iMacs didn't start shipping until quite a bit later after their announcement. It's more normal than you think.

That being said, if they can switch the iPhone screen to glass between announcement and ship date, they can add a camera to the iPad.

iPhone OS announcements came around March last year if I'm not mistaken, so if it's the same timing this year it DOES put it ahead of the actual iPad launch.