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[Battersea Power Station]

they don't want 3rd party api on the hardware.

...?

 

[Technosteve]

...?

i think part of the contract of being iphone developer is that you can't introduce anything new to the iphone. All the applications has to be written in objective C using the dev kit. Say you want .net support or something, your app installs new dll on the iphone so your program can use .net. According to apple that's not allowed.

i'm not a developer but that's what i remember from way back why flash was rejected.

 

[Mudkips]

Any insight on whether the iPad will have to pay for OS updates? Or has apples transition to new accounting practices fixed that?

It was never about "accounting practices", interpretation of SARBOX, etc.
It was always about not wanting to have to include the cost of further support/updates in the balance sheets / prospectuseses / shareholder meetings.

By charging for updates, Apple can legally skirt the issue by saying that the updates pay for themselves, and are not an additional cost attached to a product.

Apple is very secretive, and they do NOT want it getting out when they may be end-of-lifeing or end-of-supporting various products. Doing it this way also allows them to be more flexible in deciding how long to continue development and support for existing products.

Whether or not Apple decides to change that is completely up to the bean counters.
If I had to guess, I'd guess that they'd still charge for them, if only because I don't see them doing major updates for the iPad that don't coincide with major updates to the iPhone. The iPad is so much more third pillar than the DS ever was and Apple will probably be keeping the Pod, the Pad and the Phone all in lock-step.

 

[shantyman]

Once you finish school and college unless you use your computer for work you do not tend to type all that much.

This is the most inane thing I have ever seen posted on this forum.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

What do people want a USB port on this for?

To be able to plus in storage to copy things to and from it.

As noted, it's meaningless without access to the filesystem, which I also want.

I'd actually prefer an SD slot, buta USB port is a nice hedge against future developments.

 

[see5harp]

This is the most inane thing I have ever seen posted on this forum.

This is true. But for the love of god stop saying that this entertainment device is a PC replacement. Apple isn't trying to replace any of their existing macbook lines. It is basically an iTouch (as cliche as the description is), only large enough to actually use for regular internet and video browsing.

 

[SuperPac]

I like this blog entry a lot...

http://northtemple.com/2010/02/01/on-ipads-grandmas-and-gam

Sample:

Technophobe

A good friend of mine is an attorney and reluctantly uses technology for his work. In age, he’s somewhere between my generation and the baby boomers. He recently lost his phone in the snow and then found out his company was moving to AT&T. He replaced his lost phone with a blackberry and when our group of friends caught wind of that, we informed him he could have gotten an iPhone. So on our recommendation, he decided to take the Blackberry back and give the iPhone a try.

I had never once seen him exhibit any excitement over technology but the next time I saw him, he could barely contain his enthusiasm for his new phone.

Fast forward to last Wednesday evening. I told him about the new iPad and his eyes grew wide. He blurted out “Wait, are you talking about an iPhone but with a bigger screen? A regular sized computer THIS easy to use? $15 a month for internet anywhere? When can I buy one?”

He had been won over completely by the user experience of the iPhone. It was amazing to watch and fascinating to see him project his good experience and excitement to the iPad.

This and the other anecdotes on this blog speak to why I think this thing is going to be a huge hit.

 

[Schlep]

This and the other anecdotes on this blog speak to why this thing is going to be a huge hit.

Kind of goes back to what I was saying about traditional desktop/laptop computers having hit their apex in the work place. There are so many people out there who need to use e-mail, internet, and traditional office apps, but can barely do that on a daily basis. The first time something even slightly goes wrong (think, accidentally deleted a shortcut on the desktop), IT gets called. The iPad or devices like the iPad are going to free up a lot of resources for people who work in non-technical fields.

Also that post shows a lot of why this will be a hit, despite all the nay saying online. People who are very used to the complexities involved in using a Mac, and especially Windows and Linux, are equating the device to a toy in the same way the original Mac was perceived as one (read this on a blog, sorry I can't remember which one to cite). They don't realize that for a sizeable chunk of people (I would dare say the majority), computers are intimidating devices that lead to an aversion like the lawyer in the blog had.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

For the problems of not having an SD card slot or USB for more storage. Can't I just use a Wifi SD card so I can just pick up the connection on my iPad and open up the files through there?

 

[out0v0rder]

For the problems of not having an SD card slot or USB for more storage. Can't I just use a Wifi SD card so I can just pick up the connection on my iPad and open up the files through there?

apple devices don't let you view "files".

 

[mrkgoo]

For the problems of not having an SD card slot or USB for more storage. Can't I just use a Wifi SD card so I can just pick up the connection on my iPad and open up the files through there?

It's not a matter of just hardware. The iPhone OS just doesn't allow it. Think about it - it's just Wifi. Can you connect to your Mac and view your mac files on your iPhone? The answer is not natively. If you download a thirdparty app that enables this, then yes.

Actually, the iPhone can connect to your computer through so many different ways: wifi peer-to-peer, wifi on a network, Bluetooth, USB and so on.

But it's not going to 'just work' without any software. And the iPhone OS doesn't have anything to 'just' view files.

 

[mrkgoo]

To be able to plus in storage to copy things to and from it.

As noted, it's meaningless without access to the filesystem, which I also want.

I'd actually prefer an SD slot, buta USB port is a nice hedge against future developments.

An SD slot makes sense, but I would prefer a CF, as that's what I use. Just a personal preference. Actually when I saw the iPad I thought it did have an SD slot, but it turned out to be the volume rocker :lol. I was briefly excited for a moment... THere's no way they'll let you use it as extra storage though.

For one thing, all the media is put into it's own structure. What happens to the function of the device if it's photo library is just removed? It would need to have hooks to read off an external directory like "Album = files in folder on external storage". Thing is one of main the differentiators to the various model lineups of apple products is storage space. They subsidise each other, so having storage undermines that.

 

[Opiate]

So are most in agreement about the goal of this device? It appears to me (and based on others in the last few pages) that this intended to target netbooks first: that is, people who own a laptop and use it nigh exclusively for 1) Browsing 2) Email 3) Multimedia like movies and pictures and 4) Productivity apps.

If it does actually manage to create a beachhead there, it will try to move towards more complex devices: from netbooks to standard laptops eventually to desktops. That's what that Keyboard/Stand are for: make the iPad in to a psuedo-desktop.

I'm not at all saying this will work, by the way. That's another discussion entirely. I'm just trying to establish what Apple wants to do.

 

[numble]

If it does actually manage to create a beachhead there, it will try to move towards more complex devices: from netbooks to standard laptops eventually to desktops. That's what that Keyboard/Stand are for: make the iPad in to a psuedo-desktop.

No, it already has a profitable beachhead in laptops and desktops.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

It's not a matter of just hardware. The iPhone OS just doesn't allow it. Think about it - it's just Wifi. Can you connect to your Mac and view your mac files on your iPhone? The answer is not natively. If you download a thirdparty app that enables this, then yes.

Actually, the iPhone can connect to your computer through so many different ways: wifi peer-to-peer, wifi on a network, Bluetooth, USB and so on.

But it's not going to 'just work' without any software. And the iPhone OS doesn't have anything to 'just' view files.

Alright so I can just download an app? Badass.

I can't stand plugging in a cable from my Camera just to put in photos.

So are most in agreement about the goal of this device? It appears to me (and based on others in the last few pages) that this intended to target netbooks first: that is, people who own a laptop and use it nigh exclusively for 1) Browsing 2) Email 3) Multimedia like movies and pictures and 4) Productivity apps.

If it does actually manage to create a beachhead there, it will try to move towards more complex devices: from netbooks to standard laptops eventually to desktops. That's what that Keyboard/Stand are for: make the iPad in to a psuedo-desktop.

I'm not at all saying this will work, by the way. That's another discussion entirely. I'm just trying to establish what Apple wants to do.

But don't you still need a laptop to export your photos and MP3 players and stuff? Sounds like people will still need that laptop.

 

[Mecha_Infantry]

smh



No, not strange. Just what a well-rounded OS has to do to account for all the ways a user may try to use it.

By your logic, this "middle" device shouldn't even include wifi or 3G support, because when the device isn't in range of either form of signal, has a really weak connection or perhaps runs into a wifi router it's not compatible with it would have to report a confusing issue to the user. Best to probably just leave the browser out as well - wouldn't want to confuse the user with pages that load fast sometimes, slow others and not at all in other cases...

what the hell is wrong with you? I said strange because I haven't seen that error msg before

and yea, a middle ground product shouldn't have a browser; that's the point I was trying to make :/

 

[SuperPac]

So are most in agreement about the goal of this device? It appears to me (and based on others in the last few pages) that this intended to target netbooks first: that is, people who own a laptop and use it nigh exclusively for 1) Browsing 2) Email 3) Multimedia like movies and pictures and 4) Productivity apps.

If it does actually manage to create a beachhead there, it will try to move towards more complex devices: from netbooks to standard laptops eventually to desktops. That's what that Keyboard/Stand are for: make the iPad in to a psuedo-desktop.

I'm not at all saying this will work, by the way. That's another discussion entirely. I'm just trying to establish what Apple wants to do.

I think the main goal of this device is to make a computer that's easy to use; ticking off the checkboxes for the things most people use computers for (browsing, email, multimedia, simple productivity) and expanding its capabilities through Apps. I don't think the goal is just "to do what netbooks do," but to make an approachable device that's easy for *anyone* to use.

I don't think Apple is even going to have to "move" their goal to more complex devices at all. They'll have apps that can do what most users would want a standard desktop/laptop to do. But there will always be a need for professional desktop applications that have more complex functions than could be done on the iPad.

 

[mrkgoo]

Alright so I can just download an app? Badass.

I can't stand plugging in a cable from my Camera just to put in photos.

No you can't. Only if there is software, which there isn't. At least not in the default iPhone OS or photos app. My point is, if a third party were to make a photo viewing app that could access a wifi network, and possibly read the file structure, they might be able to get it to read files, and then save to the photos area. Not sure if you can get an iPhone to look at a file structure, but you can definitely get storage apps that can see the file structure of an app, and thus stick files in there.

But don't you still need a laptop to export your photos and MP3 players and stuff? Sounds like people will still need that laptop.

YOu will still need a computer. You can operate an iPad on its own as much as you can an iPhone/iPod touch. At least that's how I see it. Apple did say you can activate the data plan and stuff directly from the iPad, so maybe they're increasing the independence a little.

TEchnically speaking, you can keep even an iPod touch as its own device, provided you only get content from iTunes, for example.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

No you can't. Only if there is software, which there isn't. At least not in the default iPhone OS or photos app. My point is, if a third party were to make a photo viewing app that could access a wifi network, and possibly read the file structure, they might be able to get it to read files, and then save to the photos area. Not sure if you can get an iPhone to look at a file structure, but you can definitely get storage apps that can see the file structure of an app, and thus stick files in there.

So currently there is no app that does such a thing?

What's the chance of there being something like that?

 

[blu]

apple devices don't let you view "files".

devices don't have a say here, apps do. and one can view files in iphoneOS just fine, as long as they're located within the private space of the particular app (that's what the whole sandboxing model's been about).

 

[Opiate]

I think the main goal of this device is to make a computer that's easy to use; ticking off the checkboxes for the things most people use computers for (browsing, email, multimedia, simple productivity) and expanding its capabilities through Apps. I don't think the goal is just "to do what netbooks do," but to make an approachable device that's easy for *anyone* to use.

I don't think Apple is even going to have to "move" their goal to more complex devices at all. They'll have apps that can do what most users would want a standard desktop/laptop to do. But there will always be a need for professional desktop applications that have more complex functions than could be done on the iPad.

I'm not suggesting they'll make their products more complex: I'm suggesting their simplified products will assault products which are increasing in complexity. First netbooks, then laptops, then the desktop: that doesn't mean Apple is necessarily getting more complex, just that the competitors are.

But don't you still need a laptop to export your photos and MP3 players and stuff? Sounds like people will still need that laptop.

Not your MP3s: you can operate that fully through iTunes, which is a device native to the iPad. I have a friend that does with this with his iPod. I'm expecting that with eventual upgrades, this device will also fully operate your photos (built in camera, possibly an SD slot), movies (also iTunes) and other media.

Again, I think someone can argue that iTunes simply isn't satisfactory for most people. I don't use it. I'm just arguing that this is what Apple is trying to do -- or rather, what they're heading towards.

 

[Vennt]

Anyone who's not already using Air Sharing to mount their iPhone/iPod Touch as a wireless drive on their PC/Mac is nuts.

With Air Sharing, you can:

* Mount your iPhone or iPod touch as a wireless drive on a Mac, windows, or Linux computer, over Wi-Fi, or connect from your computer’s web browser.
* Drag-drop files between your iPhone or iPod touch and your computers.
* View documents in many common formats.

FEATURES

* Familiar Finder-like file browser
* Use of Bonjour and WebDAV (like iDisk) for easy connection
* Extensive in-line Help with detailed, simple instructions
* Controls to prevent or to delay iPhone auto-lock
* Syntax coloring of source code

Advanced image viewer

* Stable, high-quality viewing of very high-resolution image files
* Configurable image slideshow
* Next and Previous buttons in image viewer

Fast access

* Page Up and Down buttons that accelerate while held down
* A folder popup for going back to previously viewed folders
* Automatic jump to last viewed location when opening a document

Security

* Optional password protection
* Public folder for guest access
* Local passcode lock for app security

Flexibility

* Unique pinch-to-zoom in the file browser to reveal more or less file information
* Full support for landscape orientation throughout app

Compatibility

* Mac OS X (Tiger, Leopard, & Snow Leopard)
* Windows (XP, Vista, & 7)
* Linux (GNOME and KDE)
* Any web browser

Quality

* Avatron Software’s signature design, usability, security, and stability

VIEWABLE FORMATS

* iWork ‘08 and ‘09 (Pages, Numbers, and Keynote)
* Microsoft Office (Word, Excel, and PowerPoint), with limited support for XML formats
* Web Archive (web pages downloaded by Safari)
* HTML Web page
* PDF
* RTF (Rich Text Format)
* RTFD (TextEdit documents with embedded images)
* Plain text (many different file extensions), with Unicode support
* Source code (C/C++, Objective-C/C++, C#, Java, Javascript, XML, shell scripts, Perl, Ruby, Python, and more), with color-coded formatting
* Movies, Audio, and Images (standard iPhone formats)

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

Anyone who's not already using Air Sharing to mount their iPhone/iPod Touch as a wireless drive on their PC/Mac is nuts.

Wow that's awesome. But it doesn't work with a Wifi SD card I assume?

 

[mrkgoo]

Wow that's awesome. But it doesn't work with a Wifi SD card I assume?

As far as I know, Air sharing doesn't read anything from somewhere else. It's like an App with viewable, writeable storage space within your iPhone. YOu run it, access the storage space and dump stuff into it via a computer. SO technically, yes - if you can connect your Eyefi to it, and view the iPhone then it will work. Eyefi actually has some system to connect and write to storage space, but I'm not sure how well that will handle Air sharing.

Vennt: DO you use Pro? I have the non pro version, and was wondering if the additional features were worth it. I got AIr sharing free when it was first released, but I actually find it kinda slow to view files. Does pro improve on that?

 

[Jill Sandwich]

devices don't have a say here, apps do. and one can view files in iphoneOS just fine, as long as they're located within the private space of the particular app (that's what the whole sandboxing model's been about).

iPhoneOS 3.2 also lets you store files in a shared folder on the device. This folder can be shared between apps and is mountable when docked. You can also send these files wirelessly. Food for thought for those whinging about no filesystem or not being able to view them. There's a lot more going on under the hood than it being a 'big iPhone'.

 

[Vennt]

I used to use Pro, but found I didn't really need all the PDF features that much.

I mainly use DigiDNA's FileApp now, it pretty much does the same thing, it just mounts the device as an FTP server.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Anyone who's not already using Air Sharing to mount their iPhone/iPod Touch as a wireless drive on their PC/Mac is nuts.

Hmm, I don't know if I'd have any real use for it though. Definitely cool concept though.

 

[mrkgoo]

I used to use Pro, but found I didn't really need all the PDF features that much.

I mainly use DigiDNA's FileApp now, it pretty much does the same thing, it just mounts the device as an FTP server.

I guess it depends on what you need it for I was carrying around PDF versions of my bus schedule, since I don't have reliable data service. :lol.

Thing is it was so poor at opening and reading them, I sometimes didn't bother to look anyway.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

As far as I know, Air sharing doesn't read anything from somewhere else. It's like an App with viewable, writeable storage space within your iPhone. YOu run it, access the storage space and dump stuff into it via a computer. SO technically, yes - if you can connect your Eyefi to it, and view the iPhone then it will work. Eyefi actually has some system to connect and write to storage space, but I'm not sure how well that will handle Air sharing.

So I can get my iPad. Open up the Air share app. Open up my SD cards Wifi signal. And drag my files to my iPad. ?

 

[mrkgoo]

Hmm, $10 is kind of pricey though... Does it let you do it over usb also? It's not bad but there still aren't enough wifi points around to make it worthwhile for my touch.

YOu need a computer, so ideally you just create a peer-to-peer, no wifi point necessary.

There's also a non-pro version for like $6.

 

[mrkgoo]

So I can get my iPad. Open up the Air share app. Open up my SD cards Wifi signal. And drag my files to my iPad. ?

Depends what are you dragging on? The Air sharing on the iPhone (as far as I know) doesn't look at a computer and bring things over, a computer looks at the iPhone, and you can send things to it. Basically it acts as a drive mounted on your computer.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

Depends what are you dragging on? The Air sharing on the iPhone (as far as I know) doesn't look at a computer and bring things over, a computer looks at the iPhone, and you can send things to it. Basically it acts as a drive mounted on your computer.

So it doesn't work both ways?

I just want photos and videos.

 

[ToxicAdam]

This might be the worst tech article I have ever read:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/188286/apples_ipad_will_be_the_death_of_the_mobile_web.html

(sorry if old, I'm running out the door)

:lol

 

[SnakeXs]

This might be the worst tech article I have ever read:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/188286/apples_ipad_will_be_the_death_of_the_mobile_web.html

(sorry if old, I'm running out the door)

:lol

Ironically, the iPad makes the iPhone -- Apple's game-changing technology of 2007, whose impact still reverberates through the wireless, mobile, and computing industries -- obsolete. And as the iPhone fades away as a short-lived marvel, so too will disappear the mobile Web.

You were not kidding. He then goes on to call the iPhone a bad phone. I could go no longer. :lol

 

[Critical Jeff]

Once they unlock the ipad, well all be using ssh to xfer files.

 

[blu]

iPhoneOS 3.2 also lets you store files in a shared folder on the device. This folder can be shared between apps and is mountable when docked. You can also send these files wirelessly. Food for thought for those whinging about no filesystem or not being able to view them. There's a lot more going on under the hood than it being a 'big iPhone'.

yes. i was merely talking of the current model available to idevice users.

 

[mrkgoo]

So it doesn't work both ways?

I just want photos and videos.

From what I understand, no. Yes it would be kinda cool to support that, especially the eyefi.

 

[Tobor]

So I can get my iPad. Open up the Air share app. Open up my SD cards Wifi signal. And drag my files to my iPad. ?

Just set up the Wifi SD card to upload the pictures to Flickr, or Photobucket, or whatever web service you use along with downloading to your PC/Mac. Then you can access them from any device, including the iPad.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

DP

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

Just set up the Wifi SD card to upload the pictures to Flickr, or Photobucket, or whatever web service you use along with downloading to your PC/Mac. Then you can access them from any device, including the iPad.

So I would I be able to upload my files on Photobucket, Flickr, Tinypic, etc?

 

[Ashhong]

So I would I be able to upload my files on Photobucket, Flickr, Tinypic, etc?

look into www.logmein.com its a fantastic way to control your computer from anywhere with internet, and they have an amazing iphone app that works really really well on my 3G. i can only imagine it works even better on the iPad. its almost like being able to navigate the files on ur pc...but not really.

 

[Tobor]

So I would I be able to upload my files on Photobucket, Flickr, Tinypic, etc?

http://www.eye.fi/how-it-works/basics

Once you set it up, it will automatically upload wherever you want:

uses your home Wi-Fi network

Upon setup, specify which networks the Eye-Fi card uses to transfer your media. Add up to 32 networks for your card to use. The next time your camera is on within range of a specified network, your photos and videos will fly to your computer and to your favorite sharing site.

gets media where you want it
During the quick set-up, you customize where you want your memories sent. The Eye-Fi card will only send them to the computer and to the sharing site you choose. Pick from one of over 25 popular sites »

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

YOu need a computer, so ideally you just create a peer-to-peer, no wifi point necessary.

There's also a non-pro version for like $6.

Ya, I'm just thinking about computers at school and work where I would most likely want to move those files from my iPad to and those don't have a wireless way of doing that.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

http://www.eye.fi/how-it-works/basics

Once you set it up, it will automatically upload wherever you want:

Oh and I can just go online and download my photos.

That's great.

Though I wish there was a way that the photos can transfer directly to the iPad first.

 

[SnakeXs]

Though Apple didn't outline its strategy to target the educational sector with its iPad last week, people familiar with Apple's thinking have said that the iPad's use in schools was one of the focal points of discussions in developing the product. In its exploration of electronic book technology, it thought particularly about how it could re-invent textbooks, these people said.

Expected, but it'll be interesting to see how this pans out.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Sorry, old.

 

[Terrell]

So are most in agreement about the goal of this device? It appears to me (and based on others in the last few pages) that this intended to target netbooks first: that is, people who own a laptop and use it nigh exclusively for 1) Browsing 2) Email 3) Multimedia like movies and pictures and 4) Productivity apps.

If it does actually manage to create a beachhead there, it will try to move towards more complex devices: from netbooks to standard laptops eventually to desktops. That's what that Keyboard/Stand are for: make the iPad in to a psuedo-desktop.

I'm not at all saying this will work, by the way. That's another discussion entirely. I'm just trying to establish what Apple wants to do.

Hey, worked for me, I'm going out to buy the cheapest mini I can find as a home-base computer and will sell my MacBook to get an iPad, because using this much hardware for web, email, vids and budgeting is just a waste. iPad fills the gap for people that KNOW a notebook is more computer horsepower than their lifestyle actually requires.

 

[sarcastor]

does anyone have any HQ photos of the Ipad, like this bigger?

 

[mrkgoo]

does anyone have any HQ photos of the Ipad, like this bigger?

Are you trying to make a replica? :loll

Anyway, I don't know who would have higher quality images than Apple themselves, to be honest.

 

[sportzhead]

Are you trying to make a replica? :loll

Anyway, I don't know who would have higher quality images than Apple themselves, to be honest.

Full size paper craft replica.
http://create-elephant.blogspot.com/2010/01/ipad-papercraft.html