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[Tobor]

They're just being polite

:lol I know you're just tweaking me, but they're actually pretty excited. They wanted to know all the details.

 

[Raistlin]

It's a bit complicated...

People have argued that HTML5 with embedded AVC/h.264 is a superior approach to flash-based video delivery because Flash is proprietary, and that video sites will inevitably switch over to this format, making the lack of Flash moot.

However, some other major players - notably Mozilla - have balked at supporting the HTML5-based solution because the video codecs are subject to patents, and the patent holders could start charging them for including the code needed to decode the formats.

The announcement that the formats will be free for the next 6 years might convince Mozilla and other holdouts to support them. Support from the major browsers is critical to getting website operators to dump Flash video or at least support a Flash alternative.

Sorry ... I was being rhetorical.

My point was that, even discounting the <video> tag issue, there is no standard for vectors ready for primetime.

 

[mrkgoo]

They're just being polite

If you feel like you get regular use out of most of those apps, then that's obviously a different case and you may have a valid investment that warrants the migration to iPad. But I don't think most people view spending in such small increments that way, aka as part of a larger investment vs. just as disposable individual purchases. It's like buying a coffee or a candy bar.

But I think this is where some basic multitasking could have locked more people in with the iPad. As you say, it's not particularly enticing to think about using iPhone apps on a larger, more powerful device that doesn't really use those advantages to enhance the iPhone apps significantly. If you could at least run a couple of the iPhone native apps at the same time, as widgets essentially, while the rest of the screen could be dedicated to a third panel for a native iPad app, that could actually increase the perceived value of the apps by increasing the amount of onscreen use they get.

Yeah, if you go back to before release, I stated I would like multitasking in the form of running apps as widgets.

 

[neorej]

It's a bit complicated...

People have argued that HTML5 with embedded AVC/h.264 is a superior approach to flash-based video delivery because Flash is proprietary, and that video sites will inevitably switch over to this format, making the lack of Flash moot.

However, some other major players - notably Mozilla - have balked at supporting the HTML5-based solution because the video codecs are subject to patents, and the patent holders could start charging them for including the code needed to decode the formats.

The announcement that the formats will be free for the next 6 years might convince Mozilla and other holdouts to support them. Support from the major browsers is critical to getting website operators to dump Flash video or at least support a Flash alternative.

If Flash was being used for video only, this would've made the Flash-argument moot. However, it isn't. It's used for games, navigation, applications, all kinds of applications that might be performed with help of JQuery, but would strain your CPU even more than Flash (I know, we've tried it here for several clients). Therefor, Flash is still here to stay for a while.
I won't see Flash being dumped for a good while, not even just for video. But a co-existence is definatly possible. But webdevelopers need to offer the choice to their visitors and explain in laymanterms why they should switch to HTML5. Tell the average Joe on Facebook or YouTube that the Flash-video is more CPU-intensive than HTML5 and he'll go "so?".

 

[shantyman]

Was this posted yet?

http://stevenf.tumblr.com/post/359224392/i-need-to-talk-to-you-about-computers-ive-been

Old Worlders are particularly sensitive to certain things that are simply non-issues to New Worlders. We learned about computers from the inside out. Many of us became interested in computers because they were hackable, open, and without restrictions. We worry that these New World devices are stifling the next generation of programmers. But can anyone point to evidence that that’s really happening? I don’t know about you, but I see more people carrying handheld computers than at any point in history. If even a small percentage of them are interested in “what makes this thing tick?” then we’ve got quite a few new programmers in the pipeline.

The reason I’m starting to think the Old World is ultimately doomed is because we are bracketed on both sides by the New World, and those people being born today, post-iPhone and post-iPad, will never know (and probably not care) about how things used to work. Just as nobody today cares about floppies, and nobody has to care about manual transmissions if they don’t want to.

If you total up everyone older than the beginning of the Old World, and every person yet to be born, you end up with a much greater number of people than there are in the Old World.

And to that dramatically greater number of people, what do you think is more important? An easy-to-use, crash-proof device? Or a massively complex tangle of toolbars, menus, and windows because that’s what props up an entrenched software oligarchy?

Fellow Old Worlders, I hate to tell you this: we are a minority. The question is not “will the desktop metaphor go away?” The question is “why has it taken this long for the desktop metaphor to go away?”

Pretty apt assessment I'd say.

 

[kaching]

I'd say not really an apt assessment - how much criticism has really been leveled at iPad for not supporting a full "desktop metaphor"?

My complaint comes from a different angle - why haven't they developed the "anti-desktop" metaphor more in going from iPhone to iPad? I think if people had seen more evolution from the current state of iPhone to the iPad, more creative thinking about how to apply the basic iPhone paradigm to a larger, more powerful device, you'd see even less complaint about why it wasn't a Mac OS X tablet than there has been.

 

[mAcOdIn]

Was this posted yet?

http://stevenf.tumblr.com/post/359224392/i-need-to-talk-to-you-about-computers-ive-been



Pretty apt assessment I'd say.

It's wrong and right in my opinion. There will always be a place for the "desktop" but it will have to coexist with new, simpler "desktops" that aren't as flexible.

I just think people need to stop looking at portable computers, outside of people who really, really need a laptop, as portable desktops. For 90% of the people out there there is absolutely no reason for a portable device to be able to do everything your desktop can do, none.

People like the customization of the PC, you can change the case easily, the components, when you game you can mod the individual games, having access to the file system means you can use several programs on a single file to do different things, there's so much flexibility in a desktop that's not present in Apple's idea of application based computing that it will never go away.

Now, if computing somehow ever gets to the point where a computer knows what data it's looking at at any given moment then a PC as we know it is dead. That's what I want to eventually see. Currently we have to do stupid shit when we're doing a task that requires several apps, you generally have to create or edit a file in one program, close it, open that file in another program, do whatever you need to do with it, save the new file, open that new file in another program and do what you were going to do with it, so on and so on. We need access to the file system to do anything advanced right now. Now yes, apps keep getting better and better and slowly add functionality sometimes making these other programs obsolete reducing the steps you have to take but what if instead of the program's options being given to you within that program you got the whole of the OS's without having to go to the file system? For an outdated example since it's pretty much one step now, what if you could open a DVD, rip the contents to your DVD drive, from the same program launch your encoder and move it to your movie collection folder without any of the programs used to do so knowing the others were present on your computer or you having to manually find the output of the ripping program with your encoder? That's where I want to see computing go towards, a system where the OS knows what data you're viewing and editing and also gives you choices based on that data from within the program you're initially using so that the whole process of using multiple apps becomes transparent.

 

[Mecha_Infantry]

*is getting itchy*

*ebay searches cheap macbooks*

anyone else slowly turning to the "this isn't complete enough" crowd??

 

[mrklaw]

OSX does a reasonable job of this in ilife apps etc. Eg the media browser for choosing a picture from iphoto to put in iDVD or even an email. You get a nice visual view of your photos, represented consistently to how they are in iPhoto, and you dont need to find them in a file browser

 

[mrklaw]

*is getting itchy*

*ebay searches cheap macbooks*

anyone else slowly turning to the "this isn't complete enough" crowd??

no.

I'm slowly turning to the 'can this be used as a fully featured front end to my mini well enough that I can sell my MBP' camp

 

[Tobor]

*is getting itchy*

*ebay searches cheap macbooks*

anyone else slowly turning to the "this isn't complete enough" crowd??

It's more than complete enough, I'm buying it primarily as an ereader. The rest is gravy.

 

[Keylime]

It's more than complete enough, I'm buying it primarily as an ereader. The rest is gravy.

If I did buy this, that would be my main purpose as well. As much as I like my Kindle, it looks like some kind of horribly old dinosaur in comparison. eInk be damned, it's just too specific of a device. I'd probably leave all my music off and stick to just apps and movies. Would only need the WiFi model as well, as I'll be able to tether it to my iPhone if I'm not near a hotspot.

Certainly a better eBook reader in general (Kindle) from the amount of content to the delivery system...but it just feels like "why have a Kindle that only does books when I can have an iPad that does books...and tons of other shit." Plus reading books on the iPad will be infinitely "cooler". :lol

Less devices > More devices for me basically.

If I'm able to just bring an iPad somewhere instead of a laptop and a Kindle, than great.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

*is getting itchy*

*ebay searches cheap macbooks*

anyone else slowly turning to the "this isn't complete enough" crowd??

Nope. I still contend that we've only scratched the surface of what this device is and can do. More tablet specific apps will go a long way towards showing us what we can expect, and I think we'll begin to see more of that in the days ahead.

And, I'm also in the camp that is is going to be my e-reader plus.

 

[Mecha_Infantry]

I blame thisthread, keep up the convos!!!!

OP, we need vids and hd pics!

 

[mrkgoo]

It's wrong and right in my opinion. There will always be a place for the "desktop" but it will have to coexist with new, simpler "desktops" that aren't as flexible.

I just think people need to stop looking at portable computers, outside of people who really, really need a laptop, as portable desktops. For 90% of the people out there there is absolutely no reason for a portable device to be able to do everything your desktop can do, none.

People like the customization of the PC, you can change the case easily, the components, when you game you can mod the individual games, having access to the file system means you can use several programs on a single file to do different things, there's so much flexibility in a desktop that's not present in Apple's idea of application based computing that it will never go away.

Now, if computing somehow ever gets to the point where a computer knows what data it's looking at at any given moment then a PC as we know it is dead. That's what I want to eventually see. Currently we have to do stupid shit when we're doing a task that requires several apps, you generally have to create or edit a file in one program, close it, open that file in another program, do whatever you need to do with it, save the new file, open that new file in another program and do what you were going to do with it, so on and so on. We need access to the file system to do anything advanced right now. Now yes, apps keep getting better and better and slowly add functionality sometimes making these other programs obsolete reducing the steps you have to take but what if instead of the program's options being given to you within that program you got the whole of the OS's without having to go to the file system? For an outdated example since it's pretty much one step now, what if you could open a DVD, rip the contents to your DVD drive, from the same program launch your encoder and move it to your movie collection folder without any of the programs used to do so knowing the others were present on your computer or you having to manually find the output of the ripping program with your encoder? That's where I want to see computing go towards, a system where the OS knows what data you're viewing and editing and also gives you choices based on that data from within the program you're initially using so that the whole process of using multiple apps becomes transparent.

Have you ever used a Mac? As mrklaw said, for media files, it does this very well already. It's not complete, but is close. I basically hardly never actually go through a file system to access music files or photofiles. Everything is handled by iTunes and iPhoto and whats called the 'iLife media browser'. This is transparent.

The best example is iPhoto. Your photo files are actually hidden away in a library that you cannot openly access via the file system. You organise everything in to events, albums etc in iPhoto, which is a front end for the hidden system.

Want to set a wallpaper? YOu can do it in iPhoto and select it and hit 'set as Desktop Background'. Or you can go to System preferences and under the Display Preferences, there will be an iPhoto drop down that shows all your albums and thumbs. Email? Same thing. As you write an email, you can click an icon that appears on the email window that opens a browser with all your iPhoto albums and thumbnails. iPhoto will also let you use a third party editing application. For example, let's say you use Photoshop to do edits. Open iPhoto, select the photo, and click 'edit in external application' (you can also set this to be default) - it then opens photoshop - when you hit save, it saves back into the iPhoto library.

These are also accessed by iMovie, iDVD, as is the iTunes library for combining them when making slideshows.

It's pretty well done, an is part of why Mac users enjoy as it is integrated fairly well system wide. It's not perfect, but it's pretty good.

*is getting itchy*

*ebay searches cheap macbooks*

anyone else slowly turning to the "this isn't complete enough" crowd??

Enthusiasm has waned a little, but not too much. I already have a Macbook Pro. What am I going to do with a MacBook? At least the iPad is different as a product.

 

[Mecha_Infantry]

Enthusiasm has waned a little, but not too much. I already have a Macbook Pro. What am I going to do with a MacBook? At least the iPad is different as a product.

for me pure mobility really, i travel 3 hours t work daily and i wwanted something cheap and mobile running osx/mobile osx

 

[justjohn]

Are you guys really going to pay 15 dollars for a book that you can get for less than a third on an actual book?

I wouldn't mind using this as my ereader but those book prices are ridiculous.

 

[Keylime]

Are you guys really going to pay 15 dollars for a book that you can get for less than a third on an actual book?

I wouldn't mind using this as my ereader but those book prices are ridiculous.

I'm pretty sure we have no idea what the final pricing structure is for the iBooks Store, do we?

 

[SnakeXs]

People like the customization of the PC, you can change the case easily, the components, when you game you can mod the individual games, having access to the file system means you can use several programs on a single file to do different things, there's so much flexibility in a desktop that's not present in Apple's idea of application based computing that it will never go away.

What people? The only people who do this are hardcore PC gamers, which in comparison to people who use computers as a while is a tiny niche. I've never heard anyone outside of huge geeks "want" to change components in their computers. Ever. Especially nowadays when most machines have more than enough power for what people do, again outside of PC gaming.

I'm pretty sure we have no idea what the final pricing structure is for the iBooks Store, do we?

Steve said there'll be price parity with Amazon.

 

[justjohn]

I'm pretty sure we have no idea what the final pricing structure is for the iBooks Store, do we?

Wasn't it revealed to be 15 dollars during the unveiling?

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

Are you guys really going to pay 15 dollars for a book that you can get for less than a third on an actual book?

I wouldn't mind using this as my ereader but those book prices are ridiculous.

If you look at the Kindle and Nook stores, you'll see pricing all over the place, including plenty of free books for classic works that are in the public domain, such as A Tale of Two Cities for instance.

I think the $15 books are going to be new releases that are going to be in that $30 price range for new and in hardback. Prices should trickle down on the e-books as they get older, paperback versions are released, and so on.

But owning an e-book reader doesn't mean you can't go out and buy an actual book as well.

 

[Tobor]

Are you guys really going to pay 15 dollars for a book that you can get for less than a third on an actual book?

I wouldn't mind using this as my ereader but those book prices are ridiculous.

$15 is the ceiling, not the exact price for every book in the store.

 

[snacknuts]

The best example is iPhoto. Your photo files are actually hidden away in a library that you cannot openly access via the file system. You organise everything in to events, albums etc in iPhoto, which is a front end for the hidden system.

I'm sure I'm in the minority of Mac owners on this issue, but I HATE this.

 

[Keylime]

I'm sure I'm in the minority of Mac owners on this issue, but I HATE this.

Why's that? I love it!

Wife got home from Hawaii, plug in the camera, automatically splits the photos up by day and we create events and fill them with the photos.

Click a button and those upload to Facebook/Flickr.

She had all the photos organized and uploaded in less than 5 minutes!

 

[Particle Physicist]

Why's that? I love it!

Wife got home from Hawaii, plug in the camera, automatically splits the photos up by day and we create events and fill them with the photos.

Click a button and those upload to Facebook/Flickr.

She had all the photos organized and uploaded in less than 5 minutes!

Picasa does the same and doesn't hide the directories. iTunes even keeps folders organized for you and allows you to access them.

 

[SnakeXs]

Picasa does the same and doesn't hide the directories. iTunes even keeps folders organized for you and allows you to access them.

You can get to the files just fine in iPhoto. You can right click a photo and show in Finder, just like you can in iTunes.

 

[mrkgoo]

I'm sure I'm in the minority of Mac owners on this issue, but I HATE this.

Technically, speaking, I don't LIKE the hiding of the directory, but seeing as messing about with the files causes links to be broken, or iPhoto to lose track of them, it's a big cause of 'why things go wrong', so I understand hiding it. iTunes is a little more robust in this area, as it somewhat keeps a track of files on the fly.

But barring performance of iPhoto on one's machine I don't see the need to go through the directory structure for most users. It seems to be a 'control' issue with users. For all I care, all the photos can be in one huge folder, so long as iPhoto knows where they are and I can mange through iPhoto.

Of course, the management system is pretty much proprietary, so if I ever choose to go to a PC, the file system, tags, albums etc will need to be exported somehow, although I think even iPhoto does a pretty good job with a bit of manual intervention (like you can probably export the images and name them by album name, or event name).

It's actually pretty crazy how powerful from a consumer stand point iPhoto is, yet a lot of people turn away from it because 'I can't see the file'.

 

[Vinci]

After talking to some more people I know, just random folks all of them, I feel pretty confident in saying that iPad will have a massive impact on both laptops and desktops. Those two options will mostly be kept for professionals in certain industries and gamers, whereas the iPad and its progeny will take over a sizable chunk of the computer market.

Might as well aim for the stars with my prediction, right?

 

[Particle Physicist]

You can get to the files just fine in iPhoto. You can right click a photo and show in Finder, just like you can in iTunes.

Sure, but it is a bit of a hassle if you are trying to open those pictures in other programs.

 

[mrkgoo]

Sure, but it is a bit of a hassle if you are trying to open those pictures in other programs.

True. I guess I rarely need to open my photos in different programs, or I just open iPhoto *as* my file browser and pull stuff out to work with it.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

I blame thisthread, keep up the convos!!!!

OP, we need vids and hd pics!

As more are released I will definitely be adding them

 

[giga]

If anyone is interested in the UX Guidelines (summary). Dude is breaking his NDA right here..

http://uxmag.com/design/ipad-user-experience-guidelines

 

[rezuth]

Has someone posted this?

We’re excited to bring you the third release candidate of Firefox for Maemo. Since RC2, we fixed several usability bugs that were found, as well as addressed a number of performance issues. Based on feedback we’ve received so far, we were able to find and fix several crash bugs. To improve page load times and responsiveness, we tuned a number of preferences and improved several algorithms. We’ve sped up zooming and made our panning even better.

If you’ve already got RC2 installed on your N900 or N810, you will be receiving a software update shortly. Otherwise, if you’re viewing this on your device, you can install it from here.

We’ve decided to disable plugin (not to be confused with add-ons, which are supported) support for this release. The Adobe Flash plugin used on many sites degraded the performance of the browser to the point where it didn’t meet our standards. If you wish to enable our experimental plugin support, you will be able to manually via about:config, but do so at your own risk. We are working on an add-on that will allow the user to have control of which sites to enable plugins for, as some sites, like YouTube, do work quite well.

 

[Schlep]

for me pure mobility really, i travel 3 hours t work daily and i wwanted something cheap and mobile running osx/mobile osx

Just out of curiosity, why would you want OS X for that? Most of the arguments I've seen for wanting mobile OS X have to do with intensive work in audio, visual, or writing. What do you do on your way to work? :lol

 

[jts]

You can get to the files just fine in iPhoto. You can right click a photo and show in Finder, just like you can in iTunes.

What if you want to export a bunch of them to a thumbdrive? Is it easy?

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

What if you want to export a bunch of them to a thumbdrive? Is it easy?

Drag and drop straight from the iPhoto photo viewer pane on to the thumb drive. Easy enough?

 

[jts]

Drag and drop straight from the iPhoto photo viewer pane on to the thumb drive. Easy enough?

It sure seems so

I'm an about-to-be switcher (waiting on the damn MBP update!), and yeah iPhoto was/is a killer app for me, so that talk about the files being hidden was worrying me a bit. Crisis averted.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

It sure seems so

I'm an about-to-be switcher (waiting on the damn MBP update!), and yeah iPhoto was/is a killer app for me, so that talk about the files being hidden was worrying me a bit. Crisis averted.

Don't sweat it at all. The files are easy to find if you really want to look for them, but there are multiple ways of getting to where you want to go, and iPhoto is a nice editor for most people who don't need Photoshop level of control.

 

[mrklaw]

Don't sweat it at all. The files are easy to find if you really want to look for them, but there are multiple ways of getting to where you want to go, and iPhoto is a nice editor for most people who don't need Photoshop level of control.

and if you install photoshop elements it integrates nicely too.

 

[mrkgoo]

It sure seems so

I'm an about-to-be switcher (waiting on the damn MBP update!), and yeah iPhoto was/is a killer app for me, so that talk about the files being hidden was worrying me a bit. Crisis averted.

iPhoto basically BECOMES your file browser (for photos). Think of it that way.

It does obfuscate some things, but generally, if you consider it your file browser for photos, there's generally no problem.

It actually integrates export options into it if you don't want to click+drag - like you can rename photos on export, change resolutions, file size and so on.

Some issues:

If you want to get out of the iPhoto system forever, it can be a nightmare. Your files are fine, but since you may have spent a lot of effort organising within iPhoto, these may not translate over to a news system very easily. Depends on where you're going to.

Another one is if you have a slow machine. It actually does a pretty good job, since it actually makes several thumbs FOR EACH PICTURE (make sure you have a large HD) (also for faces). Broswign is generally smooth, but if you have 10's of thousands of images like myself, the actually library xml can be quite large to initially boot, so can hinder a slower machine.

 

[shantyman]

I'm sure I'm in the minority of Mac owners on this issue, but I HATE this.

You must be one of those people who don't like the iPod because you cannot "drag and drop".

 

[shantyman]

If anyone is interested in the UX Guidelines (summary). Dude is breaking his NDA right here..

http://uxmag.com/design/ipad-user-experience-guidelines

Love this:

Ask People to Save Only When Necessary

People should have confidence that their work is always preserved unless they explicitly cancel or delete it. If your application helps people create and edit documents, make sure they do not have to take an explicit save action.

 

[jts]

Yeah, I have no problems about letting XML based media applications take control over the file system.

I'm used to and I like it on iTunes. Or on Nokia Lifeblog/Nokia Photos back when I had Nokias - it's a PC software that syncs and organizes all textes and photos from the phone on a timeline.

Just as long as I'm offered the option to access the files, copy them etc, I'm good.

iPhoto seems to be right up in my alley

Now I just keep on waiting... I even bought an Apple Remote already. Pathetic.

 

[mrklaw]

iPhoto basically BECOMES your file browser (for photos). Think of it that way.

It does obfuscate some things, but generally, if you consider it your file browser for photos, there's generally no problem..

It abstracts, not obfuscates. Key difference being abstraction is a good thing and lets you concentrate on the photos without worrying about the underlying file structure.

 

[StrikerObi]

The one thing that would make me buy an iPad right away (rather than waiting for version 2, as I'm currently planning) would be an absolutely killer recipe / cooking application. I'm at the point where I wish I knew how to program so I could develop for the iPad and make it myself. Of course even if I could, I have no talent at graphic design for the UI.

There's nothing even close to a good recipe / cooking app for the iPhone. It's just not big enough for the task. There are some good OS X ones (MacGourmet) but none really stand out as amazing. iPad is the perfect device for this task, and I really hope somebody makes a really great "delicious generation" style recipe app for this thing.

 

[SimleuqiR]

I know this has been discussed to no end, but I thought this article was relevant to this thread:



Apple's iPad -- Will it improve the Web?

 

[mrkgoo]

It abstracts, not obfuscates. Key difference being abstraction is a good thing and lets you concentrate on the photos without worrying about the underlying file structure.

Yes, abstract is the goal, but some things are definitely unclear (just a few things). It helps to know exactly what it's doing, for example the fact that it actually saves two copies of any photo that has an edit, including if it's just a rotation flag. That is, if you have a camera that records the orientation of the image (i.e. portrait) as a meta data tag, then iPhoto will import the original tagged image, but also save a rotated image. It will have two copies, thus doubling storage space for portrait oriented images.

Modifications to an image will be made on a copy, not the original. This is not entirely clear. You can argue that this is part of the abstraction, but for the typical user it would be nice to know that it doesn't touch the original.

ANother one is to do with colourspace profiles. In the .plist, there are two flags for embedding colour profiles, one that forces an embedding (and this is not accessible by the user), and another that TAGS a profile (user controllable). It's all tied in with Image capture as a process.

Also RAW files are handled such that it will use adobeRGB for exported JPEGS. It's not at all transparent that it does these things.

I agree with the concept and mostly without eh execution of the file abstraction.

I like iTunes too, and I use a thirdparty app that does it with my PDF library.

 

[mrkgoo]

The one thing that would make me buy an iPad right away (rather than waiting for version 2, as I'm currently planning) would be an absolutely killer recipe / cooking application. I'm at the point where I wish I knew how to program so I could develop for the iPad and make it myself. Of course even if I could, I have no talent at graphic design for the UI.

There's nothing even close to a good recipe / cooking app for the iPhone. It's just not big enough for the task. There are some good OS X ones (MacGourmet) but none really stand out as amazing. iPad is the perfect device for this task, and I really hope somebody makes a really great "delicious generation" style recipe app for this thing.

One that you can enter in ingredients you have in your refrigerator and it suggests something you can make.

 

[Flo_Evans]

I know this has been discussed to no end, but I thought this article was relevant to this thread:



Apple's iPad -- Will it improve the Web?

You know what is hilarious to me, safari on my mac with flash almost never crashes... yet mobile safari without flash is a crash monster. Probably due to iphone memory limits, but still. I can't remember the last time safari crashed in OSX (and I am using the 32bit tiger version) but it's a daily occurrence on my iphone.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

You know what is hilarious to me, safari on my mac with flash almost never crashes... yet mobile safari without flash is a crash monster. Probably due to iphone memory limits, but still. I can't remember the last time safari crashed in OSX (and I am using the 32bit tiger version) but it's a daily occurrence on my iphone.

And conversely, Safari on my iPhone rarely crashes either. I can't remember the last time it did actually. Not that it crashes that often on my MacBook or iMac, both running Snow Leopard.