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Apple iPad revealed
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mrkgoo said:
First, I am not attacking current e-ink readers. I might get one very soon. I also personally see the Ipad as nothing but a delivery device for itunes and app store content that happens to work on some web content, so I am definitely not a fan.
What I am saying is that e-ink is really really good for reading and things with static displays. It is not a technology good for a multifunction device given its current limitations. So therefore, the people who bought it for reading love it, and the people who did not have enough interest in reading do not like it because they want a device that can do multiple things even though they acknowledge the benefits of a e-reader.
Basically, we are talking about the differences between targeted devices and general devices and who buys each product.
Sorry, but there's a difference between reading a few lines/skimming, on and off for a shorter amount of time, and sitting reading line after line for an hour+..Shins said:How do those people tough it out to comment in topics they're reading on LCD screens? Do they just start going blind from the mix of rage and LCD-induced eye-strain?
It's totally believable that some people just can't take that kind of eye strain, thus might not get the iPad if they're main priority is an e-reader. Crazy thought?
I got an idea though, with all these stores why can't they just make one centralized store? Put the iTunes, iBooks and App stores into a centralized ' Store'. Plus I think they should make a new store/subsection specifically for video content (tv shows, movies) since launching iTunes for video content isn't ideal. In the future they should also separate the games from the app store into a separate store all together..
peacebyanymeans
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Juice said:
The video is H.264. Like YouTube, Hulu uses Flash just to play the video. Like the YouTube iPhone app, they could simply do it that way, naively with their own app. Or, if they wanted to do it in the browser, HTML5 is very much capable of handling streaming video (as evidenced by YouTube's HTML5 Beta: www.youtube.com/html5). And Safari supports HTML5 not only on the desktop, but on the iPhone as well.
peacebyanymeans
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RubxQub said:Juice was being facetious.
Oh, okay. I'm assuming Hulu said something to the effect of that they needed Flash to run their operation then?
:lol FYI though, I got banned in the OT! :lol If you're actually serious, sorry to offend.Shins said:Oy, Sentry, stop being an irksome little pissant. You put your pants on the same as anybody else. Your tone is neither appreciated nor condoned.
Please go back to the gaming side, so you can promptly be banned for another few months. You're a blight.
Thanks!
BTW isn't Hulu streaming the video quite differently than YouTube? Is it actually available in a hard copy file version like YT vids are, or are they just like live streams in QT?
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
huh? how are opera pathetic? for being not that far behind safari in market share? and are you arguing that nobody would even want to try opera's browser on the idevices? people are excited when they're given the chance to try a re-skinned vanilla webkit browser, but would shun an entirely new browser?peacebyanymeans said:
right. opera mini does not bring anything interesting to the table except server-side rendition and page compression technologies. while being one of the more standards-compliant browser engine out there. ok.
the word you were looking for was ignorant. and why should anybody concede to your 'fact' is beyond me.
RubxQub said:Juice was being facetious.
Adobe should seriously sic their lawyers on Hulu for stealing Flash's exclusive video displaying technology! It's that or make appeals based on pornography.
Either plan is JUICE APPROVED for the sake of protecting their intellectual property.
Sentry said:
if they already have an e-reader, then they might have the same concerns. But most people probably aren't that famililar with e-ink and its benefits, so if ipad says it works as an 'e-reader' and its the size of a book, lots of people may buy it for that and not realise what the alternatives are. hey, they're used to using LCD screens on their computers, so its familiar to them right?
I would expect iTunes to allow me to import epub books from other stores. Eg in the UK we have libraries that lend out epub books, and book stores like Waterstones have a decent selection online too. If they lock it out completely and don't offer any importing then they can fuck off IMO. (they let you import CDs for example, or mp3s from amazon etc) - do they have 'watched folders' yet to automatically add stuff you might buy from somewhere else?
Mecha_Infantry
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This thread makes me laugh: http://www.google.co.uk/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=2eb4a163b4e3a6ff&hl=en
Bu bu bu bu bu multitasking!!
Bu bu bu bu bu multitasking!!
Sentry said:
Yes, Hulu uses flash media server to stream files. You can currently get some plugins or programs to capture the stream and save it, but if they go paid they will probably flip on the DRM switch. With anything there will probably be ways around it but the average user can't simply download a hulu stream.
If they do make an ipad app, its kind of a moot point though because you can't save anything on it anyway! :lol
ClovingWestbrook
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Mecha_Infantry said:
Well to be fair, I have multitasking on my iPhone and have noticed NO reduction since adding it. IMHO, it's preposterous not to offer it in this day in age. Apple will eventually add it and make it seem they are the first to do it. Ehh. Hopefully the iPad will be jailbroken soon after release and we can have our multitasking.
having the choice to multitask select applications is fantastic, and i won't upgrade to the next iphoneOS or even consider the iPad until it's jailbroken for that. having the ability to background select applications (like audio apps) while browsing the web/email is damn important to how i use the device.Mecha_Infantry said:
ClovingWestbrook
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scorcho said:
YUP
Kung Fu Jedi
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Flo_Evans said:
The average user isn't looking to download a Hulu stream. They just want to watch the latest episode of their favorite show. Capturing a stream is only for the techies, and the vast majority of those watching Hulu don't know that you can do it, nor do they care.
And having Hulu on the iPad or iPhone would be great. I hope they make it happen.
ClovingWestbrook
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Macrumors reporting Microsoft contemplating iPad version of Office.
T3 reports that Microsoft Senior Product Manager Mike Tedesco revealed during the Office for Mac 2011 preview event at Macworld that the company is "looking at" the possibility of bringing its Office productivity suite to Apple's iPad tablet device.
"Yeah, it's something that we're looking at," said Microsoft's Mike Tedesco, who is the Senior Product Manager for WindowsBU. "Obviously the announcement (of the iPad) is really fresh and there's nothing to announce or nothing that I can talk to you about today.
As the report notes, the release of an Office suite for the iPad would bring a significant credibility boost to the device, particularly in the eyes of business users with a critical need for such productivity software. For its part, Apple featured iPad versions of its iWork applications at the iPad media event last month, and will be offering Pages, Numbers, and Keynote for the iPad through the App Store at $9.99 per application.
Tedesco's comments come soon after Microsoft founder Bill Gates downplayed the significance of the iPad, noting that "there's nothing on the iPad I look at and say, 'Oh, I wish Microsoft had done it.'"
T3 reports that Microsoft Senior Product Manager Mike Tedesco revealed during the Office for Mac 2011 preview event at Macworld that the company is "looking at" the possibility of bringing its Office productivity suite to Apple's iPad tablet device.
"Yeah, it's something that we're looking at," said Microsoft's Mike Tedesco, who is the Senior Product Manager for WindowsBU. "Obviously the announcement (of the iPad) is really fresh and there's nothing to announce or nothing that I can talk to you about today.
As the report notes, the release of an Office suite for the iPad would bring a significant credibility boost to the device, particularly in the eyes of business users with a critical need for such productivity software. For its part, Apple featured iPad versions of its iWork applications at the iPad media event last month, and will be offering Pages, Numbers, and Keynote for the iPad through the App Store at $9.99 per application.
Tedesco's comments come soon after Microsoft founder Bill Gates downplayed the significance of the iPad, noting that "there's nothing on the iPad I look at and say, 'Oh, I wish Microsoft had done it.'"
ClovingWestbrook
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I edited my post.
LovingSteam said:
But would they be looking at releasing on ipad if Apple weren't releasing iWork? Sounds like it'd be more a neutralising move than anything else. If people start using iWork on ipad, they may also choose iWork on mac, and that could eat into their desktop mac sales of office.
Re: MS Office for iPad
Well that's weird after hearing last week that the (Windows) Office department sinking a tablet version for Microsoft.
Of course, the Mac Business Unit is probably an entirely different building/campus/mindset than the Office group.
SMH @ gigantic monopolies
Well that's weird after hearing last week that the (Windows) Office department sinking a tablet version for Microsoft.
Of course, the Mac Business Unit is probably an entirely different building/campus/mindset than the Office group.
SMH @ gigantic monopolies
Kung Fu Jedi
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mrklaw said:
Who cares why they're looking at doing it, it is just good news that they are considering it. It lends legitimacy to the platform and shows that it can be a viable solution for getting work done.
While I plan on buying iWork when I get the iPad, I'd consider using Office if they made a good version that took advantage of the strengths of the device.
peacebyanymeans
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I'm actually surprised we haven't seen Office apps for iPhone yet.
I expect it for the iPad, though. Especially with Apple releasing their iWork apps.
I expect it for the iPad, though. Especially with Apple releasing their iWork apps.
LiveFromKyoto
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I don't use Keynote and Numbers enough to know how they stack up to their Office counterparts (though I find Numbers far more transparent than Excel), but my experience with Pages over the last 2 years has been that it blows Word away. People are always remarking at the stuff I turn out with it, and it takes comparatively little effort to do something cool.
LiveFromKyoto said:
I can vouch for Keynote. It's so awesome it's fun. I've made hoax presentations when I was bored for friends. Dunno about numbers, though. I'd imagine people's specific quirks and, for some, hot key dependence is as much an issue as anything else.
Kung Fu Jedi
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I'm a big fan of Keynote as well. It is light years better, and easier to use, than PowerPoint. Using the iPad as a Keynote presentation machine could be super cool.
SnakeXs said:
Keynote has convinced others that I'm a much better speaker & presenter than I am
with PowerPoint
I find that Keynote's templates and user interface try to defuse a lot of what makes PowerPoint evil (classic essay, btw).
LiveFromKyoto
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rezuth said:
I'm sure there are any number of things that would induce someone to choose one of the other, I do recognize that Word is powerful and can do a whole lot of things. The things for me with Pages are the ease of use in working in images and other visual design elements, the slick way it handles footnotes, the crazy detailed draft editing function, the convenient styes drawer and of course, the kickass templates. All my stuff has looked so much better since switching over, though it's gotten expensive because now I have to spend $7 printing out high def colour on expensive paper to make it all come off the way it looks on screen. Worth it though.
Kung Fu Jedi said:
I've got a 3 hour presentation at the end of March. Ever since iPad was announced I've been wondering if it would make it out in time for it. I could impress people by dint of gadgetry alone.
Mecha_Infantry
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Kung Fu Jedi
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Wired Magazine iPad edition coming this Summer
http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/02/ted-2010-wired-for-the-ipad-to-launch-by-summer/
http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/02/ted-2010-wired-for-the-ipad-to-launch-by-summer/
V
Vennt
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They actually leaked/announced a Wired tablet version late last year at an industry media event.
Unfortunately the mock-up was created with Adobe AIR, and therefore un-usable for the launch, hence the delay in announcing it, otherwise you'd have seen a Wired demo at the launch along with the NYT and SI demos.
Unfortunately the mock-up was created with Adobe AIR, and therefore un-usable for the launch, hence the delay in announcing it, otherwise you'd have seen a Wired demo at the launch along with the NYT and SI demos.
giga said:
As big of an Apple fan as I am, I would love to see them get bent over by the EU and forced to allow Opera onto the iPhone if they do end up rejecting it. It'll be a step in hopefully the right direction for the platform.
As for Wired, I know somebody who, from the things he was saying to me recently, seems to have seen examples of what "digital publications" are going to be like on the iPad. I expect them to be nowhere near as un-original as that Wired example video; his comments were that publications are going to be far more ambitious than that, and not just print magazines thrown onto a screen.
Pristine_Condition
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Sentry said:
LOL. It's crazy because it's wrong.
Pretty much every expert in the field says that your idea of "sitting reading line after line for an hour+" is what actually hurts your eyes...not what screen you are doing it on. You shouldn't even do this with paper books, and most people actually don't.
Even when reading books, most people know enough to take breaks. Those that don't, pay the price with fatigue.
So, according to this expert, the handheld form factor of the Kindle is probably more responsible for it being more comfortable than a screen than the fact that the screen uses e-ink.
Here's more:
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/12/do-e-readers-cause-eye-strain/
LiveFromKyoto
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Pristine_Condition said:
Sometimes I wish this site had a reputation system, I would give that a +1 for sure. Thanks for the link. I spend hours upon hours looking at a computer screen, and while I do find reams of text tough to read on it, upon reflection I don't really feel more eyestrain than I do with paper. The form factor and reading style might go a long way to explaining the difference. That said, screen brightness obviously is a factor in eyestrain, no question there.
Either way I'm a lot more interested in an ipad than I was before
LiveFromKyoto
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Teddman said:
Oh come off it, Skepticcman. Jason Blair aside, the Times is pretty much the standard for journalistic integrity and they didn't pay MIT to fabricate this study.
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