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Mr. Dobalina said:
Well, I'm going to give the iPad a chance to hit a totally untapped market. I was just atlking with my mother, who is 71, who was having a few issues with her computer. She's had it for about 5 years, so I suggested she might want to start looking into upgrading it - she really just surfs the internet, email, loads on some photos, etc.

Her response: "Well, why don't I just get an iPad?"

I was floored.
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My mom - suffers from extreme technophobia; saw her for the first time this year - first question she asks me "Where can I order the Ipad from?"

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I'm getting the same feeling from the Ipad now as the Wii back when Nintendo went on a mass marketing push for the E3 it was made playable for - the one where everyone and their mother wants one.
 
Raistlin said:
IIRC, the Adobe DRM is pretty common for ePUB. Meaning, you can use the content on most eBooks.
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Edit: Oh, you said ADOBE, not Kindle...my bad.

Adobe's scheme is the most cross-platform, or should be if it works right, which it apparently often does not. Dunno about the claim about "most eBooks" yet. Doesn't Kindle still have the dominant marketshare?

Here's an article from yesterday on the problems of Adobe's DRM:

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9158558/Adobe_s_DRM_vexes_e_book_owners?taxonomyId=144

But users say ADEPT fails to live up to Adobe's promise of interoperability between e-readers and e-book stores. For instance, e-books bought from Barnes & Noble, for now, work only on the nook e-reader -- not other popular e-readers such as the Sony Reader, even though both use Adobe's DRM.
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Adobe says that it's a SDK version issue. B&N uses a new form of the DRM that asks for a password when you read the book. Sony's reader doesn't have this yet.
 
Pristine_Condition said:
Edit: Oh, you said ADOBE, not Kindle...my bad.
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Lol, nice edit ;)


FYI - Kindle does not use a proprietary DRM for ePub ... it doesn't support ePub at all. Kindle uses AZW, which is a completely proprietary format on all levels.

Adobe's scheme is the most cross-platform. Dunno about the claim about "most eBooks" yet. Doesn't Kindle still have the dominant marketshare?
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I was referring to ePub. Meaning the standard DRM that ePub uses is Adobe. This is for example the format used for eBooks in public libraries. If you want to go take out a book from them, you'll need a reader that supports ePub and Adobe's DRM.

I believe Kindle has the dominant marketshare, at least as far as a single 'platform' goes. The aggregate of non-Amazon eReaders that support ePub is likely fairly comparable however. Practically every non-Amazon/Apple eReader supports ePub/Adobe DRM
 
Raistlin said:
Lol, nice edit ;)


FYI - Kindle does not use a proprietary DRM for ePub ... it doesn't support ePub at all. Kindle uses AZW, which is a completely proprietary format on all levels.
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I wouldn't say all levels... It's just the mobi format plus DRM, which is easily stripped.
 
Teddman said:
I wouldn't say all levels... It's just the mobi format plus DRM, which is easily stripped.
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Oh really? I thought they had modified it?


Either way, the point is that iPad and Kindle do not play nicely (other than for PDF's), and both are hosed for usage with what most public libraries use.*






* We don't know whether iPad supports Adobe DRM or not. It's possible it may play them back, and Apple just went in their own direction for the content in their marketplace. Hopefully that is that case, but we'll see.
 
Pristine_Condition,


Dude wtf ... that's like your 5th Edit :lol I can't fucking keep up :lol




As far as the Adobe DRM issues, yeah, it's a problem, but a fixable one. This is a new frontier, so it isn't surprising that there are hiccups. The point is that they are hiccups, not intentional prevention. Everyone will be moving to the new SDK, and it's possible previously released eReaders may be able to be updated to support the newer DRM feature-set.
 
VGChampion said:
I've never heard of the HP Slate since I'm not a big tech guy anymore but are there really people saying it's better in this thread? Go make your own thread if you really want to talk about it being better. :lol
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I don't think anyone is saying that the Slate is a better product, just that it shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. But until we see something real out of it, other than a "Hey! Look at his!" kind of thing, it's hard to judge what it's going to bring to the table. Considering HP's track record though, we're next expecting it to be a ground breaking product.

That doesn't mean they won't sell plenty of them though.
 
A look at tje Crestron Home Automation System running on the iPad, with more information from Gizmodo.

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Meh, seems like something that would be better suited for the iPhone, both usage and UI wise.. apps like this are what make me want basic multi-tasking, for the small stuff.
 
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SuperPac said:
Wow that looks terrible. Way to really adapt that interface for the iPad. Unless that's just the double-sized up version of the app (which it seems like it is). :)
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Probably just running in the 2X Pixel mode. :lol

Not software that I'd have any need for or interest in and I had to wonder how it was now "iPad Compatible".
 
LovingSteam said:
http://www.macrumors.com/2010/02/19/hulu-for-ipad-likely-to-be-a-paid-subscription-service/

Hulu and its owners -- three of the big broadcast TV networks -- want to bring some version of the Web video service to Apple's device.

But the most likely scenario is one where access to Hulu on the iPad comes as part of a subscription package, multiple people familiar with the company tell me.
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I just saw this on Ars Technica. It sounds like Hulu has the right idea, keep the regular web service free, and allow the subscribers to use devices and access more content. Hopefully they will pull it off.
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/designingwebinterfaces/collections/72157623252108597/

Collection of interaction snapshots for the iPad. The idea of this collection is to capture the interesting moments during the various interactions (slow down time) to understand the nuances in their design.
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Details swing out from behind the boxshot as it scales up. These animations all give the feeling there is a lot more to the interface than first met the eye. The feeling of a "backstage" is important in an interface.

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Keynote transition (Doorway) to play the movie

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Popovers

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iPad vs iPhone apps

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Yeah, I totally caught all those little animations, adds a more 'premium' or advanced feeling to what you're using. And is it just me or does that embedded YouTube vid looks a lot like Hulu UI?

Also, on the topic of iPad vs iPhone apps, is it true that there is absoultey no cover flow in the iPad music? Makes zero sense to me why they'd get rid of tbh. I'd like to see LP's though.
 
Sentry said:
Yeah, I totally caught all those little animations, adds a more 'premium' or advanced feeling to what you're using. And is it just me or does that embedded YouTube vid looks a lot like Hulu UI?

Also, on the topic of iPad vs iPhone apps, is it true that there is absoultey no cover flow in the iPad music? Makes zero sense to me why they'd get rid of tbh. I'd like to see LP's though.
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Probably just hasn't been shown in the SDK yet. On a wider screen like the iPhone, Cover Flow looks pretty slick, but on a a 4:3 screen, I could see challenges with dead space on the screen depending on how they did the UI for it. We'll have to wait and see, I think. At least there's still the option to view album artwork with the play/ff/rw controls like iPhone, so your album art is still in full display if you want it to be.
 
I really want to buy one out of the gate.
After I had a meeting with a client, it seems worth it for web-browsing and photo app alone.

Also my 1st gen iPhone rattles now. Yeah, rattles. There's something loose inside.
So yeah I really hope Verizon's coming soon otherwise I'll be doomed to buy another 2 year contract this summer. :(
 
cjelly said:
:lol I didn't even think about that, to be honest.
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Did YOU get a two way proprietary cable with your iPhone? Cause I didn't. So unless one comes with the ipad, or more likely you buy a proprietary cable from Apple, the answer is no.
 
Pre-orders to start this week?

http://www.macrumors.com/2010/02/20...bruary-25th-speculation-about-other-features/

Macrumors said:
Apple iPad Pre-Orders to Begin February 25th? Speculation about Other Features?

AppAdvice claims that the iPad pre-orders could start as early as February 25th. The pre-orders are said to be for the U.S. Wi-Fi model initially. It's really not much to go on, but Apple hasn't given any indication about their launch plans for the iPad. During their press event, Jobs simply said that the Wi-Fi version would be shipping in 60 days, which places it into the last week of March.

While Apple did allow for pre-orders for the iPhone 3GS, the original iPhone launch was on a first-come first-serve basis at retail stores. The Wi-Fi iPad, however, does not require any long term contracts to be set up, making pre-orders more likely a possibility. Apple would have to get FCC approval for the device before being able to place it on sale. AppAdvice, however, isn't a particularly reliable source of rumors as they previously claimed the iPhone 3GS would have an OLED screen and FM transmitter (both of which were not true).

As the actual launch approaches, many are hoping and speculating that there may be some unannounced software features for the iPad that might not have been finished at the time of the media event. It's not without precedent, as Apple did announce YouTube support for the original iPhone just 9 days before its actual launch.

Kevin Fox had noted that several of the iPhone/iPod Touch minor applications were missing from the iPad. These include Stocks, Weather, Voice Memo, Clock, and Calculator. He goes on to suggest that these minor apps could return as some sort of Dashboard-like widget system.
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I'd imagine they will do preorders. I loved the system they had set up for the 3GS. I waited in line for maybe 15 minutes tops to get that, and it was awesome. And, thankfully, unlike console launches, Apple generally has enough supply so that if you want one on launch day you can usually get one. Let's hope that's the case here.

Though I think I'm gonna hold out for the 32GB/3G model.
 
I am planning on pre-ordering a 32 gig non-3g version this upcoming week. In a fit of weakness, I might pick up the 64 gig version, though. At the very least, I am 100% sure the 3g is a complete waste for me.
 
Terrell said:
Probably just hasn't been shown in the SDK yet. On a wider screen like the iPhone, Cover Flow looks pretty slick, but on a a 4:3 screen, I could see challenges with dead space on the screen depending on how they did the UI for it. We'll have to wait and see, I think. At least there's still the option to view album artwork with the play/ff/rw controls like iPhone, so your album art is still in full display if you want it to be.
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I don't even NEED to have it in full screen, just have it as a display method somehow somewhere.
 
when are they going to release details for outside the US? i don't want the 3G version so that's not an issue, but i want to know what i'm paying and when i can pay it...
 
More stuff from latest SDK release:

http://www.macrumors.com/2010/02/23/apple-releases-iphone-sdk-3-2-beta-3-for-ipad/

Apple today released an update to its iPhone SDK 3.2 for developers looking to create applications for the company's forthcoming iPad tablet device. The new update is the third beta version of the SDK, and there is no word yet on changes included in the update.

The initial version of the SDK was released late last month alongside the iPad introduction, and was last updated two weeks ago.

Update: Apple appears to have pulled the Beta 3 release, and several readers who were able to download the update before it was removed have reported that it contains a major bug that is the likely cause of the removal.

Update 2: 9to5mac posts a screenshot of the Photos app which is now included:

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Update 3: Mac4Ever notes that the Photo app also has a Camera tab, which we've seen before referenced in the iPad SDK.

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So Gizmodo is saying the ipad is using basically the same chip as the iPod touch. Apple cut a heck of a lot of corners to get this device at $499, and of course they've left themselves the ability to cut price as well if it doesn't sell well. You can't have that kind of flexibility if the device wasn't already selling for comfortably well below what it cost to build.

I think I wouldve been happier with a better device at $999 like many folks expected. But Apple knew they wouldn't sell very many of those and as long as the interface is snappy, most folks don't care about the hardware and the flash and all that. I do.
 
VanMardigan said:
So Gizmodo is saying the ipad is using basically the same chip as the iPod touch. Apple cut a heck of a lot of corners to get this device at $499, and of course they've left themselves the ability to cut price as well if it doesn't sell well. You can't have that kind of flexibility if the device wasn't already selling for comfortably well below what it cost to build.

I think I wouldve been happier with a better device at $999 like many folks expected. But Apple knew they wouldn't sell very many of those and as long as the interface is snappy, most folks don't care about the hardware and the flash and all that. I do.
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Read.

But, to be fair, the chip is going to be newer than the ones found in those other devices, so it'll be faster. Most likely.

PowerVR SGX is just a brand/series, not a specific model.
 
They said the same basic chip. It may be more similar to the one on the next iPhone. Point is, everything we know about the device justifies it's low price point and the fact that Apple said it can cut costs if demand isn't there and it won't be a problem for them.

I'm just in the camp (the minority, most likely) that wishes it were a better piece of kit at a higher price point.
 
VanMardigan said:
You can't have that kind of flexibility if the device wasn't already selling for comfortably well below what it cost to build.
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Almost every piece of electronics is like this.

A4 cost Apple $1 billion to create and produce. They're just going to eat into that cost if shit goes bad. Standard procedure for every company taking chances with money to burn.
 
giga said:
Update 2 and 3 are the same, yet different? Seems like it's related to the camera adapter.
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This was the first thing I thought of as well. As much as I want a camera on the iPad, I get the feeling this is just what pops up when you plug your camera into it, and then you select what photos you want and press "import".
 
WordAssassin said:
This was the first thing I thought of as well. As much as I want a camera on the iPad, I get the feeling this is just what pops up when you plug your camera into it, and then you select what photos you want and press "import".
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Oooook time for me to eat some crow:

http://www.macrumors.com/2010/02/23...era-camera-flash-zoom-and-video-conferencing/
MacRumors.com said:
Unfortunately, we already know how this story ends. Apple introduced the iPad in late January and made no mention of a camera - either on the front or back of the device. So that means no video conferencing or even photos are possible on the first generation device.... and yet, it seems like they had everything in place for it already. For example, the enclosure has an empty space for the camera and the SDK has accept/decline video chat references.

Here are some even more tantalizing pieces of information found in the latest Beta 3 iPad SDK. We've been told that if you go digging into Apple's private framework which controls the camera, the iPad SDK tests for 3 additional camera characteristics that are not found in the iPhone 3.x SDK. For comparison, Erica Sadun has a code listing of iPhone 3.x PLCameraController.h on her site. The Beta 3 iPad SDK version adds these additional test conditions for the device's capabilities.


It seems Apple built in API support to test to see if your iPad had a Front Facing Camera, Zoom and a Camera Flash. The front facing camera would, of course, be used for video chat, while Zoom and Camera Flash are often requested features for the iPhone's camera.

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Further investigation even reveals the following icons which clearly show an interface to accept or decline a video chat:

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Given the size of these buttons, they were intended for use on the the iPad's screen rather than the iPhone. We're not sure why these features were dropped on the first version of the iPad, but we hope to see it again in future versions of the iPad or even iPhone.
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So, what does everyone think now? A feature that'll be in the retail release of the iPad that was left out of the reveal because it wasn't ready, or something that is blatantly being held back for a iPad G2?
 
I'm loving the iPad simulator. I've been learning to build an app these past few weeks and I'm further along than I would have ever expected. This is great.

Here's a shot of NeoGAF on Safari iPad.

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EDIT: I was in landscape view. When I clicked NeoGAF's add picture button, I was switched back to portrait. Weird.
 
WordAssassin said:
A feature that'll be in the retail release of the iPad that was left out of the reveal because it wasn't ready
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Not a chance. Probably show up with iPhone v4 and trickle down to the other iPhone OS hardware afterwards.
 
WordAssassin said:
Oooook time for me to eat some crow:

http://www.macrumors.com/2010/02/23...era-camera-flash-zoom-and-video-conferencing/


So, what does everyone think now? A feature that'll be in the retail release of the iPad that was left out of the reveal because it wasn't ready, or something that is blatantly being held back for a iPad G2?
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They gotta have a reason to upgrade that the layman will understand. The people buying an ipad don't give a shit about upgraded processor speed or more ram (especially since it's super snappy already), but they know what "now it's got a camera you an talk to your granddaughter" means.
 
VanMardigan said:
They said the same basic chip. It may be more similar to the one on the next iPhone. Point is, everything we know about the device justifies it's low price point and the fact that Apple said it can cut costs if demand isn't there and it won't be a problem for them.

I'm just in the camp (the minority, most likely) that wishes it were a better piece of kit at a higher price point.
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What do you want, an HD DVD drive?
 
There's two things that can happen now.

1. Apple surprises everyone by saying the iPad ships with a camera.

2. The iPad doesn't ship with the camera and Apple gets huge backlash because everyone knows now that Apple intentionally took out the camera. This causes the price to drop dramatically and the whole iPad system fails because of consumer backlack.
 
Solid Moustache said:
There's a propietaryconnector>USB adapter available.

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I wonder if the iPod camera connector is identical. I have one of those, so it'd be sweet if it were. Not to mention my local store is knocking them off at $10.

QuadCore said:
There's two things that can happen now.

1. Apple surprises everyone by saying the iPad ships with a camera.

2. The iPad doesn't ship with the camera and Apple gets huge backlack because everyone knows now that Apple intentionally took out the camera. This causes the price to drop dramatically and the whole iPad system fails because of consumer backlack.
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SO the options are that Apple iPad ships with the camera, or the iPad fails? Tough crowd.

Chances are it doesn't have the camera, and no-one is the wiser. It gets added in the next iteration and all the naysayers don't buy one anyway.

Rather than intentionally take it out, it's possible they just intentionally never put it in, maybe because they want an upgrade path, or maybe because it wasn't ready for prime time - the software will be what makes it shine,a nod maybe that just isn't ready yet. Who knows, maybe it'll ship with a secret camera to be updated with software later, and as such, they never mentioned it earlier.
 
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