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Apple iPad revealed
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I just wanted to day that the ibookstore as app makes total sense.
One reason I was originally wanting together a us model before I went back to nz was because it was going to have the ibookstore. Image of the ipad on the aus and nz store neve mentioned iBooks, leading some to believe it wasn't goin to be at launch. This how're me it was going to be by region. The best way to do this is by having a downloadable app.
Aside from updates, they can also manage the accountig separately I imagine, such that sales of books don't subsiise the ipad, but the app itself. This is good because you then don't have gouging of competiting apps. The amazon kindle app is for sure going to be on the ipad now, because it doesn't replicate functionality of the ipad, just the functionality of another app.
One reason I was originally wanting together a us model before I went back to nz was because it was going to have the ibookstore. Image of the ipad on the aus and nz store neve mentioned iBooks, leading some to believe it wasn't goin to be at launch. This how're me it was going to be by region. The best way to do this is by having a downloadable app.
Aside from updates, they can also manage the accountig separately I imagine, such that sales of books don't subsiise the ipad, but the app itself. This is good because you then don't have gouging of competiting apps. The amazon kindle app is for sure going to be on the ipad now, because it doesn't replicate functionality of the ipad, just the functionality of another app.
Pristine_Condition
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Tobor said:
I think Apple will choose to compete by adding value like multimedia content as well as the overall store experience, to differentiate their content from the competition. They really only need to get people to come into the iBooks Store once and show the consumer he/she can get more content, or a better shopping experience, for the same price as Kindle, to get their loyalty.
Plus, most consumers of the iPad will probably already have an iTunes account, with their credit card on file, so the transition is seamless.
Ebook stores could make the same argument that browser developers made for IE but I don't see why music and video stores can't make that claim now and why you think that a music store is somehow different than a book store legal wise because it's not in iTunes. The only reason itunes is itunes is because of all the companies they were hampering from letting them sync with the iPod. At least Rhapsody and Winamp can actually officially sync now. I don't know why those two can now sync but they try and block Palm all the time but whatever. Apple intentionally hindered any other software from working with the ipod until well into it's dominance to the point that the ipod and itunes were so firmly established that it no longer mattered.commish said:
So yes, iTunes does destroy the competition in a feature design but that was by Apple's design and apparently it was a-ok legally. Think about just the days when iTunes was just a way to rip and store music and sync to your ipod, Apple was always fucking with ephpod and other programs to keep them from working, they did not want you using anything else even to sync with the ipod, even when that was essentially all itunes was good for. Itunes might have been scuttled right then if everything under the sun had been allowed to sync with iPods, itunes might just be this little official app that's there in case you need it but maybe everyone would use something else?
Besides, a browser is a browser but nobody stopped you from installing a browser in windows, Microsoft stopped you from uninstalling theirs but not from installing someone elses, if anything the comparison between Apple and Microsoft in this specific context has Apple being even worse already.
Kung Fu Jedi
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Pristine_Condition said:
I agree with this as well. I think iBook Store is suppose to be a better way to get books, and Apple is going to offer some unique things for buying through them.
As for the Kindle App, I think, as I said earlier, Amazon is going to have to do something with the App to compete, or just settle for what they get. I don't think Apple will kick them out, as the only difference between now, and after the launch of the iBook Store, is that Apple now has an app of it's own. Otherwise, if they were okay with the way Amazon did things before, they should be okay with it then too.
Since book prices are now going to be set by publishers, not the stores, price can't be used as a differentiator.
It looks like Amazon has two possible advantages over the iBookstore right now.
1. the books you buy will work (and sync) with Kindles - which are ACTUALLY MADE FOR READING BOOKS :lol
2. the Kindle store is international. The iBookstore is US only and will take time to expand. it's not even an option for any international iPad user.
It looks like Amazon has two possible advantages over the iBookstore right now.
1. the books you buy will work (and sync) with Kindles - which are ACTUALLY MADE FOR READING BOOKS :lol
2. the Kindle store is international. The iBookstore is US only and will take time to expand. it's not even an option for any international iPad user.
mrklaw said:
I strongly suspect it will use that common data storage location that the iWorks apps will use when transferring stuff back to the PC.
I'm also hoping that this location can be used for other apps to allow for more collaboration between apps on the device. (and iPhone)
Kung Fu Jedi
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LCfiner said:
Debatable. First, any books bought on the iBook Store will sync with your iPad, much the same way as it would with a Kindle. And the Kindle books have proprietary DRM. Apple likely has DRM too, but they are supporting ePub which opens things up somewhat.
As for the Kindle store being International, in all likelihood, the iBook Store will be International as the iPad rolls out across those other countries as well. If not, it'll soon follow, and the gap will be closed.
Sure, the Kindle has a few initial advantages over the iPad, but then again, that works in the other direction as well. And I can tell you that a lot of people look at the Kindle and aren't that impressed because it appears to them (inaccurately I might add) that it is old tech. I have had to explain to lots of people how e-ink works and why the Kindle operates the way it does.
mrklaw said:
I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't just drop the .epub document onto iTunes and it would be added to your library, much the same way as an .mp3 file works. Next time you Sync, it just moves right on over.
Yeah, I worded that in like the most idiotic way possible. I guess what I mean to say is, when connected via the dock does anyone know if that storage space will be seen as a mass storage device like any old flash drive or is it only accessible through the software?Tobor said:
I apologize if this has been answered 20 pages back or whatnot but unless you've experienced the Time Out hell that is wireless internet through WiMax(Do not use Clear), it really wasn't worth me trying to check myself, lol.
If we can actually use some of that space on any PC through the dock connector I'm sold.
Buckethead
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So is there an SDK Event this month?
Also, why isn't the iPad out yet. I need to fondle one.
Also, why isn't the iPad out yet. I need to fondle one.
Rewatching the keynote, the iPod interface looked a lot smoother on a measly A4 than on my C2D. iTunes for Mac really needs to rebooted from this base.
20 min mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw8tljgZ30A
20 min mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw8tljgZ30A
God that'd be great if that ends up being true, I went from pissed to crossing my fingers. I have cable now some from now on I can keep up but the last time I was really here there was no flash and no storage and that was the word, I can live without flash but not without the storage, so I hope it's mountable storage, if so I want one.Tobor said:
Buckethead
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giga said:
THIS.
Also any news on an iPad iTunes Equalizer?
mAcOdIn said:
http://www.macrumors.com/2010/01/27/ipad-sdk-3-2-details-external-display-file-sharing-system-no-multitasking/
"Apple has unleashed iPhone OS 3.2 SDK to developers today to prepare for the launch of the Apple iPad. The new iPhone OS 3.2 only runs on the iPad device and will not run on the iPhone or iPod Touch. The accompanying documents are said to have revealed a number of interesting features about the iPad and the latest version of the iPad operating system.
- External Display Support. iPad applications will be able to display content specifically targeted to an external display connected to the iPad via the Dock connector. This sort of external monitor support has never been allowed with the iPhone SDK.
- File Sharing. A shared file directory is provided that will mount on your Mac or PC. This is presumably how files such as iWork documents will be transferred to and from the iPad. iPad applications will be able to access this shared directory.
- No Multitasking. Only one application runs at a time according to official documentation.
- Universal Apps. There will be support for universal apps that support both iPhone and iPad."
that was known the day of the announcement when the SDK shipped (and NDAs broke
another Apple app is the mobile Me gallery app. so 5 apps so far. 6th is the ibookstore.
LCfiner said:http://www.macrumors.com/2010/01/27/ipad-sdk-3-2-details-external-display-file-sharing-system-no-multitasking/
"Apple has unleashed iPhone OS 3.2 SDK to developers today to prepare for the launch of the Apple iPad. The new iPhone OS 3.2 only runs on the iPad device and will not run on the iPhone or iPod Touch. The accompanying documents are said to have revealed a number of interesting features about the iPad and the latest version of the iPad operating system.
- External Display Support. iPad applications will be able to display content specifically targeted to an external display connected to the iPad via the Dock connector. This sort of external monitor support has never been allowed with the iPhone SDK.
- File Sharing. A shared file directory is provided that will mount on your Mac or PC. This is presumably how files such as iWork documents will be transferred to and from the iPad. iPad applications will be able to access this shared directory.
- No Multitasking. Only one application runs at a time according to official documentation.
- Universal Apps. There will be support for universal apps that support both iPhone and iPad."
that was known the day of the announcement when the SDK shipped (and NDAs broke
another Apple app is the mobile Me gallery app. so 5 apps so far. 6th is the ibookstore.
Oh yeah, I can watch the videos too now, lol, suppose I should go play catch up.
Thanks for the info guys, looking forward to it now.
Buckethead
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One gripe I have about iTunes is that they put the release date of when it was released on iTunes. Us music enthusiasts would enjoy the actual dates to brush up on our history.
Solideliquid
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So I guess since they aren't bothering with multitasking in the iPad, we won't see it in iPhone OS 4.0?
Shogmaster
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Wasn't there a report recently on the A4 being just a Cortex A8 (like in the iPhone 3GS) clocked to 1GHz and not being dual core or even a single core A9? Not that you couldn't do multitasking on Cortex A8, but if they want buttery smooth switching of apps, it might have an impact.Solideliquid said:
Kung Fu Jedi
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I wouldn't rule out multi-tasking just yet. It's been heavily rumored for 4.0 and there really isn't any reason the iPad can't handle it.
Offtopic, but thought I'd bring it up for budding Cocoa devs. ADC for Mac is now just $99. No more ADC Select/Premier, which started at $500.
http://developer.apple.com/programs/mac/
http://developer.apple.com/programs/mac/
Eh, depending on how responsive the apps are to start I don't think multitasking is that big of a deal. Maybe play some music as you read an email or mapping while texting/Iming but just a few things like that, just give a few core apps the ability is the way I'd play it, else you get too many programs doing silly shit and always staying open and draining power(of course some would legitimately want those open).
Pristine_Condition
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RubxQub said:
That's why you can't underestimate what Apple did in totally redeveloping all those existing iPhone and OS X applications in advance of the iPad reveal, and having them running so slickly on the day of the reveal. Apple instantly set the bar for all the other app and content developers.
By having all those apps ready to demo, Apple basically said "This is what the future of this platform looks like. You'd better keep up, or you'll look like the past." It's like they gave everybody out there in their development community a stylesheet and a crash course in the UI in one presentation, but by demonstrating with apps people are already familiar with instead of just trying to dictate some sort of style and Ui conventions in SDK documents.
Yep, that and WWDC tix. They pretty much aligned it to the iPhone developer program. It's okay though since refurb discounts are usually equal to the adc discounts. $400 savings should mean more developers joining the program and more OS X leaks!Timan said:Mac hardware discounts gone now?(referring toe dev accounts)
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ipad-available-in-us-on-april-3-86560327.html
here's what you all want to know.
iPad US launch is April 3rd. wifi model. 3G is end of april
international launch is end of April (wifi plus 3G model)
US preorders start march 12.
have fun, guys.
here's what you all want to know.
iPad US launch is April 3rd. wifi model. 3G is end of april
international launch is end of April (wifi plus 3G model)
US preorders start march 12.
have fun, guys.
doh. Guess the delays were real after all.
One week later than rumoured for the US, but a month later for the UK :/ and no pricing info until April.
Still, I suppose for those of you in Europe not sure whether to get a wifi straight away or wait for the 3G, that decision will be simpler now
shame, as I wanted a new toy to play with while my wife was off with the kids during Easter.
One week later than rumoured for the US, but a month later for the UK :/ and no pricing info until April.
Still, I suppose for those of you in Europe not sure whether to get a wifi straight away or wait for the 3G, that decision will be simpler now
shame, as I wanted a new toy to play with while my wife was off with the kids during Easter.
Solideliquid
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Hmm either a 32gb iPad or a Mac Mini for the same cost...
Oh question, when preordering, will you have to put down the whole amount?
Oh question, when preordering, will you have to put down the whole amount?
Kung Fu Jedi
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Hmm... that's cutting it a little close to my scheduled departure time on my trip, which is April 9th. I was hoping to have it a bit earlier to get super familiar with everything before I go, such as real world battery life, how the photo kit works and so on.
I was also planning on pre-ordering it and having it shipped to my office, so having a Saturday launch is a bit troublesome. Now I'm not sure if I should have it sent home or the office. Still this is good news, as we now know the concrete dates of when we can order and when it'll ship.
I was also planning on pre-ordering it and having it shipped to my office, so having a Saturday launch is a bit troublesome. Now I'm not sure if I should have it sent home or the office. Still this is good news, as we now know the concrete dates of when we can order and when it'll ship.
Kung Fu Jedi
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LCfiner said:
Considering they were saying that International launch details would come later and that they were still working out 3G deals, I'm not surprised at all that they won't be hitting stores in other countries on the same day as the U.S.
SuperPac said:Oooooh, that's too bad.
iPad (wife model)?
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