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Apple's iPad 2 event | March 2

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No OS X Tablet edition, no sale. :(

No, iPhone lite is not what I'm looking for.
 
Opus Angelorum said:
If the screen is the same resolution then it's dead in the water. I can't be the only one who thinks the current iPad screen is very soft looking.

it's a low res screen by iphone 4 standards but leaving it as-is won't cripple sales. So, no, I don't think that it's "dead in the water" if it keeps the same screen.

that's not to say that everyone needs to run out and get one. if pixel density is super important to you, then it's totally understandable not to get one now.
 
LCfiner said:
everyone in tech says 2011 will be "the year of the tablet" (like the fabled "year of the PS3").

Apple is saying "nuh-uh. it'll be the year of the iPad" and whatever else they show next week.

edit: d'oh. nvm. just re-read exactly what you were quoting...


IS IT THE YEAR OF LINUX YET
 
Opus Angelorum said:
If the screen is the same resolution then it's dead in the water. I can't be the only one who thinks the current iPad screen is very soft looking.
A higher res screen would be nice but let's not delude ourselves, this thing will do just fine.
 
Opus Angelorum said:
If the screen is the same resolution then it's dead in the water. I can't be the only one who thinks the current iPad screen is very soft looking.

Having better resolution than any of your competitors is "dead in the water" ? lol.

Opus Angelorum said:
Well I should have clarified. In regards to my decision for buying one, having the same resolution makes it an absolute no.

That makes more sense.
 
Opus Angelorum said:
Well I should have clarified. In regards to my decision for buying one, having the same resolution makes it an absolute no.

I wasn't trying to give you shit about it - I just thought it was a really Martyesque thing to say.

I'm holding out for a higher res iPad too.
 
LCfiner said:
everyone in tech says 2011 will be "the year of the tablet" (like the fabled "year of the PS3").

Apple is saying "nuh-uh. it'll be the year of the iPad" and whatever else they show next week.

edit: d'oh. nvm. just re-read exactly what you were quoting...

Actually all the tech people said that 2010 was the year of the iPad and I think this more like it's going to be that again. Apple trolling Android tablets ;)
 
TheSeks said:
No OS X Tablet edition, no sale. :(

No, iPhone lite is not what I'm looking for.


The modbook people may have something you're looking for. Or perhaps Microsoft Windows 8 will fit the bill.


I'm not being snarky. it's slim pickings.
 
badcrumble said:
So I suppose the two big questions here (since a Cortex A9-based processor, case redesign, and two cameras are pretty certain) are RAM (512MB or 1GB) and storage (whether it'll move from 16/32/64 to 32/64/128). Right?

I think that, IF there's an iPad 3 this September, either of those changes that don't happen this time around will certainly happen then; basically, the iPad 3 will almost certainly have 1 GB of RAM and 32/64/128 storage.
If Apple follows what they did with 3GS and iPhone 4, then we can expect iPad 2 to have a capacity bump and better internal specs, with the iPad 3 only seeing another minor spec bump but with retina display to steal the show, and keeping the same capacity is iPad 2.


stupei said:
What're the odds that it'll be in stores next week?
Well going again by past events... the iPhone 4 was in stores 17 days after its event. Going by that, we can expect to see iPad 2 out around the third week of March. A week is an interesting thought though. From the time the iPad 2 is announced until it comes out Apple will just be burning up potential sales as people stop buying the current model. They'll want to get it out as close to the announcement as possible.

Either way I feel comfortable saying that we're under a month away from seeing iPad 2 in stores.
 
Carlisle said:
Well going again by past events... the iPhone 4 was in stores 17 days after its event. Going by that, we can expect to see iPad 2 out around the third week of March. A week is an interesting thought though. From the time the iPad 2 is announced until it comes out Apple will just be burning up potential sales as people stop buying the current model. They'll want to get it out as close to the announcement as possible.

Either way I feel comfortable saying that we're under a month away from seeing iPad 2 in stores.
I'm praying that it's out by the 18th, because I'm hopping on a plane to Minnesota for a week on the 19th.
 
ivedoneyourmom said:
I do expect them to show off some iOS 5 features at this event however - maybe even launch the beta for developers, or announce a date for it at least.

This WWDC seems like it will probably focus heavily on Lion.
Possibly, we are in season.

SDK Roadmap event: March 6
OS 3 event: March 16
OS 4 event: April 8
 
Can't see any reason for upping the resolution yet. They'd obviously go with the retina terminology, which would boost it to a ridiculous resolution in comparison to everything else out there.

Yes it would be nice, but seems a bit unnecessary and impractical price wise at the moment. It would need a significant spec bump all round to drive a resolution that high as well. So very unlikely to see it in this revision, and don't buy the rumours of a third revision later in the year. The yearly update works well for Apple.

The only thing that makes a retina display a *slight* possibility is the invite. The date, the huge 2, looks like they are going for iPad 2 branding. If they did that, it would mean expectations of the device are going to be a bit more than just a camera and behind the scenes spec bump. A retina display would obviously make it a lot more 'worthy' of the name iPad 2.
 
Looking to upgrade from my 16gb, but still the upgrades have to be significant. Resolution bump will get me to buy a new one. Better CPU/RAM, eh, probably not. Front facing camera? LOL.

I really want to know what the hell they have against SD cards. Most of their money comes from the iTunes store, and many people fill their devices and don't want to manage apps all the time. I'd probably spend 3x as much on the app store if I could just chuck another micro SD in there rather than wrestle with that cantankerous motherfucker known as Windows iTunes.
 
VALIS said:
Looking to upgrade from my 16gb, but still the upgrades have to be significant. Resolution bump will get me to buy a new one. Better CPU/RAM, eh, probably not. Front facing camera? LOL.

I really want to know what the hell they have against SD cards. Most of their money comes from the iTunes store, and many people fill their devices and don't want to manage apps all the time. I'd probably spend 3x as much on the app store if I could just chuck another micro SD in there rather than wrestle with that cantankerous motherfucker known as Windows iTunes.
Most of their money comes from hardware sales, not from the iTunes Store.
 
Tobor said:
Having better resolution than any of your competitors is "dead in the water" ?

The competitors to the iPad 2 will be :

Motorola Xoom - 10.1" @ 1280 x 800
Blackberry PlayBook - 7" @ 1024 x 600 (higher pixel density)
HTC Flyer - 7" @ 1024 x 600 (higher pixel density)
LG G-Slate - 8.9" 1280 - 720

Amongst others. I do realise however that the iPad 2 will probably outsell of them combined.
 
What I'd love to see:

Pressure sensitive screen (for serious writing/drawing)
512mb ram, which would solve all browser problems

I'm kinda indifferent to other hardware bumps. It's pretty great as-is.
 
badcrumble said:
Most of their money comes from hardware sales, not from the iTunes Store.

...Really? Are you sure about that? Could've sworn I read the opposite. Hardware usually has such slim margins to begin with. I realize some of that cost is subsidized by phone carriers, but I'd still guess a cavernous store filled with literally millions of movies, mp3s, TV shows, apps and etc. is their bread and butter.

Even if what you say is true, I still don't understand what they have against detachable storage. If they're so desperate to keep their system closed, make a proprietary card-type system then, I don't care.
 
Opus Angelorum said:
The competitors to the iPad 2 will be :

Motorola Xoom - 10.1" @ 1280 x 800
Blackberry PlayBook - 7" @ 1024 x 600 (higher pixel density)
HTC Flyer - 7" @ 1024 x 600 (higher pixel density)
LG G-Slate - 8.9" 1280 - 720

Amongst others. I do realise however that the iPad 2 will probably outsell of them combined.

Ok, so "on par" with their competitors. I don't see a number there that would cause Apple any anxiety.
 
VALIS said:
...Really? Are you sure about that? Could've sworn I read the opposite. Hardware usually has such slim margins to begin with. I realize some of that cost is subsidized by phone carriers, but I'd still guess a cavernous store filled with literally millions of movies, mp3s, TV shows, apps and etc. is their bread and butter.

Even if what you say is true, I still don't understand what they have against detachable storage. If they're so desperate to keep their system closed, make a proprietary card-type system then, I don't care.

Look at Apple's SEC filings - it will all be apparent exactly where Apple's money comes from.

Edit: Found an old chart will look for a newer one.

sai-chart-apple-revenue-by-segment-march-2010.gif
 
VALIS said:
...Really? Are you sure about that? Could've sworn I read the opposite. Hardware usually has such slim margins to begin with. I realize some of that cost is subsidized by phone carriers, but I'd still guess a cavernous store filled with literally millions of movies, mp3s, TV shows, apps and etc. is their bread and butter.

Even if what you say is true, I still don't understand what they have against detachable storage. If they're so desperate to keep their system closed, make a proprietary card-type system then, I don't care.

Apple have always been a hardware company first. The software marriage exists to drive the hardware sales. The AppStore could change things though, as they stand to make loads of money from other people making iOS apps, be it from the subscription fees, commission, and hardware sales of developers and consumers.
 
Willy105 said:
I want it to be less hot after use. It's uncomfortable holding the thing when it is warm.

I'm not sure my ipad has ever gotten warm at all, certainly not warm enough to be uncomfortable. I think most of any heat has been from my own hands transferring it to the metal.
 
Why is no one talking about 3G vs 4G? Did I miss something? Is it not possible that there will be a 4G iPad 2 given that both Verizon and AT&T have introduced their "4G" networks?

BTW: got 400 bucks for my wifi 16gb LAST NIGHT. Epic win on my part. Hope buyer doesn't rage on me next week.
 
Tobor said:
Having better resolution than any of your competitors is "dead in the water" ? lol.
There's no way that's still true. The screen looked like garbage the minute the iPhone 4 was released and I can't believe none of the new tablets can do better yet..
 
Zeth said:
Why is no one talking about 3G vs 4G? Did I miss something? Is it not possible that there will be a 4G iPad 2 given that both Verizon and AT&T have introduced their "4G" networks?

BTW: got 400 bucks for my wifi 16gb LAST NIGHT. Epic win on my part. Hope buyer doesn't rage on me next week.
Their product is international. They'll use 4G when it,s really widespread.
 
Not that we're all pretty certain that it's not gonna have a high resolution screen, can I just say...


What if it does actually get one!


Get those hype juices running!


So I take it we'll be getting the release of 4.3 on that day too. If O2 want to charge me for personal hotspots *shakes fist*
 
Meier said:
There's no way that's still true. The screen looked like garbage the minute the iPhone 4 was released and I can't believe none of the new tablets can do better yet..

The screen does not look garbage in any way and most of the 10'' tablets this year will come in with resolutions and pixel densities in the same ballpark as the launch iPad.
 
Zeth said:
Why is no one talking about 3G vs 4G? Did I miss something? Is it not possible that there will be a 4G iPad 2 given that both Verizon and AT&T have introduced their "4G" networks?

BTW: got 400 bucks for my wifi 16gb LAST NIGHT. Epic win on my part. Hope buyer doesn't rage on me next week.


4G isn't widespread enough. Apple will save that for when it can be a bullet point that has a lot of impact. Right now it's not a big deal.
 
see5harp said:
The screen does not look garbage in any way and most of the 10'' tablets this year will come in with resolutions and pixel densities in the same ballpark as the launch iPad.
Anyone who has both has to disagree with you or they're blind. Garbage is maybe an overstatement but not by much.. it's embarrassing to look at my phone and then the iPad afterwards. The screen tech feels like it's ancient in comparison.
 
see5harp said:
The screen does not look garbage in any way and most of the 10'' tablets this year will come in with resolutions and pixel densities in the same ballpark as the launch iPad.

yup, the screen is beautiful in my opinion. and this is coming from someone that owns an iphone 4. it would still look great if all they did was just increase the quality of the actual screen hardware.
 
Meier said:
There's no way that's still true. The screen looked like garbage the minute the iPhone 4 was released and I can't believe none of the new tablets can do better yet..

A 10" display with 300+ ppi resolution that will be viewd at 15"-20" is a WASTE of money.
 
I think for the masses keeping the same resolution won't hurt sales, but of course won't bolster sales. I don't know many people who aren't tech geeks who would be detracted from buying an iPad because of screen resolution.
 
Copernicus said:
A 10" display with 300+ ppi resolution that will be viewd at 15"-20" is a WASTE of money.

it'll likely be around 266 ppi (2X 133) and it'll look amazing once it hits. the iPhone screen is incredible and text looks soooo good and crisp.

By the time it makes it into the iPad, it'll be inexpensive enough that it won't cost the consumer any more.
 
LCfiner said:
it'll likely be around 266 ppi (2X 133) and it'll look amazing once it hits. the iPhone screen is incredible and text looks soooo good and crisp.

By the time it makes it into the iPad, it'll be inexpensive enough that it won't cost the consumer any more.

Yeah, next year, not anytime soon.
 
brotkasten said:
Not saying it's not true in this case, but what was their excuse for the lack of 3G in the original iPhone?

Probably a lot of reasons (not excuses), the main one probably being battery life. Battery tech and low-power parts improve all the time, but at that time, I'm guessing the power consumption with 3G vs battery capacity just didn't meet their high bar they like to have for their portable devices. I've found that they prioritise this a lot, and will sacrifice a lot to improve it. Apple make a lot of really consumer-oriented design choices - more people are likely to complain about poor battery life than to complain about streaming video faster, to being on the cutting edge of mobile download speeds.

Also, the original iPhone was not released all that widely. The first iPhone for many countries was the 3G - and even here, 3G isn't that widespread, dropping to the next one down in a lot of places.

Bottom line is, they tend not to implement certain tech (when it isn't their own they're trying to implement), unless they have a good reason to. That reason isn't necessarily the same, nor is it always a consistent philosophy. For example, things might not be implemented for licensing, political, power-consumption, space, product-path, cost (and not just strict cost - obviously cost to benefit/profit ratios) etc etc, any or more of the above.
 
brotkasten said:
Not saying it's not true in this case, but what was their excuse for the lack of 3G in the original iPhone?

I don't think they elaborated except for the hit to battery performance.
 
Meier said:
There's no way that's still true. The screen looked like garbage the minute the iPhone 4 was released and I can't believe none of the new tablets can do better yet..

Have you considered the limits of current technology? What about the price people are prepared to pay for a tablet device?
 
Meier said:
Anyone who has both has to disagree with you or they're blind. Garbage is maybe an overstatement but not by much.. it's embarrassing to look at my phone and then the iPad afterwards. The screen tech feels like it's ancient in comparison.

A 1080P 56" TV must be really embarrassing for you.
 
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