Vawn
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What rock have you been living under? Tons of people list The Last of Us as the best game ever made. Even more lift it in top five or ten.
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Are Sony exclusives too samey?
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What rock have you been living under? Tons of people list The Last of Us as the best game ever made. Even more lift it in top five or ten.
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SLoWMoTIoN
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Look at these samey exclusive games!
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
Yes, this is my biggest gripe with them. Really wished they had a battle royal from guerilla or something like that this e3. The uber serious scripted single player action games with a static protagonist are getting old.
Give me something like sea of thieves, state of decay, or at least something unique. Not that those two games are awesome, or sold well, but they are at least different.
Give me something like sea of thieves, state of decay, or at least something unique. Not that those two games are awesome, or sold well, but they are at least different.
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Mattyp
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but then again you personally have no problem puttin lots of hours in the same game and in quite similar quasi yearly iterations of the same IP (by the same criteria that made UC and TLoU feel samey iterations of Halo and Forza would have zero changes essentially).
I don't get bored of these regardless of how much the same they can be because I can put easily 100 hours or more into said 'same' games with my friends creating a different and fun experience every time than the last, 90% of gaming now as I get older is being able to get on and enjoy time with friends I wouldn't see otherwise or now live interstate. I don't get those experiences with Sonys 1st party games and its something they are severally lacking, TLoU or Uncharted every few years is great, but its an 8 hour experience and then its over. SoT as fuck all is there is to do in the game we've easily put more hours and laughs into that than every 1st Party Sony plat this generation combined, and SoD2 is gaining rapidly time spent on to now.
All I'm trying to say is story play games make up such a tiny amount of actual game time on these machines and when that small game time all feels the same well.. Sony just needs to develop that Halo, Gears or Forza killer as much as Microsoft need to match them with a TLoU, Uncharted, Days Gone arena.
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The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Helios
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Than why not just watch a movie instead of playing a game that pretends to be a movie. Detroit and every other Cage game are just glorified cutscenes that somehow still manage to have worse plots than most movies . And every time this guy releases something everyone flocks to it like it's some new relevation in storytelling and every single time people realize, after all the bullshit reviews fade out, that the plot is actual complete garbage full of plotholes. David Cage would be laughed out of the industry, but since he's making games I guess people's expectations are THAT low.
Because in Movies you can not chose the outcome. What is so great about Detroit directly is that your choices matter a lot. They will open new ways new dialogues the fate of people etc everything is in your own hand. Also I do not even think that Detroit has a bad story While Heavy Rain for example had ton of story holes EVERYTHING is explained in Detroit. You may not notice it or have not read the certain part but it is a coherent world wth its own laws, systems, global conflicts and so on.
Also I think Detroit has been reviewed way worse than it actually is because journalists were already biased of Cage and also did not agree with the political message themes in this game.
hiphopcr
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Way too samey. It's such a homogeneous portfolio that everyone gives them a free pass for. At any given time you have no idea if they're showing God of War, Last of Us, Uncharted, or Zero Horizon.
At least they're finally catching slack for screwing customers with cross play even though that's been going on for years.
With that said I'll be buying my first Playstation ever this fall for Spidey.
At least they're finally catching slack for screwing customers with cross play even though that's been going on for years.
With that said I'll be buying my first Playstation ever this fall for Spidey.
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Bryank75
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They could easily make a game like either of those, they take a fraction of the manpower, tech or resources needed to make a TLOU or GOW etc.
These PlayStation exclusives are so incredibly expensive to make that they would not be made otherwise.
We have loads of these other games with stripped out content, glitches and loot boxes like in the games you mentioned... it's not something to admire imo.
Yeah it was really a surprise when they announced it and I will happily buy these games again even though I will probably not play them again. (Mostly Only play games once) just to support this fantastic series
Ps: 18 Euro for Zero is a fucking steal. BUY IT
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SLoWMoTIoN
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I can see how you can say that since the games they make seem to go for that cinematic third person experience but they are also very different from one another and I kinda hate to take an easy shot but have you looked at Nintendo and Microsoft exclusives, they have made so many sequels of their games that they are now dropping the numbers at the end.
Bryank75
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Harvard admissions, is that you?
FranXico
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I hope this is a joke post.
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The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
The last of us 2 doesn't, but sure as hell the other four does.
Mr Hyde
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No, I think their portfolio is very diverse. In no way or shape could you mix up God of War with The Last of Us or Horizon. Sony bets a lot on singleplayer-adventures, yes, but they are very different from each other and all games stand tall on their own two feets. I think PS4 has a tremendous catalog of exclusives, with a wide range in both AAA blockbusters to experimental niche. We have Bloodborne, The Order 1886, Gravity Rush 2, Detroit, God of War, The Last of Us 2, Days Gone, Death Stranding, The Last Guardian, Spiderman, Yakuza, Persona 5, Dreams, Uncharted 4, Horizon, etc. And none of them looks "way too samey".
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SLoWMoTIoN
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Dragon's Crown is D&D on steroids and Bloodborne is D&D on Lovecraft. Both western af.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
as an Xbox owner I think Sony has some great exclusives, God of war interests me and does Last of us, not realy interested in the uncharted games as they are similar to Tomb raider and I feel a bit more interested in Lara. I think there is a similar look to Sony games and they focus on single player cinematic experience but I wouldn't say to samey.
I think every console has different experiences and owning one its easy to criticize the other, but it all depends on what you want from games.
I think every console has different experiences and owning one its easy to criticize the other, but it all depends on what you want from games.
deriks
4-Time GIF/Meme God
Only half true...
Day's Gone is kinda Last of Us in the looks. In the non combat areas, Kratos in the new God of War felt a little like Joel...
Basically, Last of Us determined third person gameplay like CoD did in the FPS. Every FPS game is like CoD? No, but we still see bits here and there. Just see Titanfall 2 and Halo 5.
Also, we have Ghost of Tsushima, which is more like the slow part of Arkham games, and we have Spiderman, which have the fast stuff of Arkham games.
Today, games are in a thin line beteween other game that we played last time and a twist. I guess that this is ok if it's not just a clone game. I'm talking to you, PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale.
Day's Gone is kinda Last of Us in the looks. In the non combat areas, Kratos in the new God of War felt a little like Joel...
Basically, Last of Us determined third person gameplay like CoD did in the FPS. Every FPS game is like CoD? No, but we still see bits here and there. Just see Titanfall 2 and Halo 5.
Also, we have Ghost of Tsushima, which is more like the slow part of Arkham games, and we have Spiderman, which have the fast stuff of Arkham games.
Today, games are in a thin line beteween other game that we played last time and a twist. I guess that this is ok if it's not just a clone game. I'm talking to you, PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale.
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Chozofication_
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A lot of them yeh. Thanks in part to walking dead and naughty dog.
That new racer from the ex motorstorm guys looks better than just about every thing coming from Sony except Spiderman. All just cinematic boorish looking titles.
That new racer from the ex motorstorm guys looks better than just about every thing coming from Sony except Spiderman. All just cinematic boorish looking titles.
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Fbh
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jeez, no need to get so worked up over this. I saw the idea that a lot of Sony games feel samey being thrown around a lot during E3 and thought it would interesting to see what people had to say about it.
And look, seems like people actually wanted to talk about it since we are at 3 pages and 122 posts with people on both sides of the argument.
I'll give you TLOU and Uncharted. But then again they are by the same dev so it makes sense to me that they'd have a recognisable style.
But Uncharted to Horizon to God of War?
Uncharted is set in the real modern world, is a heavily scripted and narrative focused action game with gun focused combat
Horizon is a big open world RPG taking place in a world filled with mech animals where people have gone back to living in tribes. Combat is focused on a bow and arrow and fighting large enemies
God of War is a semi linear action game in a setting inspired by norse mythology with melee focused combat.
They also look very different from each other unless you tell me you have trouble telling these are different games
Hence the word respectively. It doesn't stack up well compared to Mario, Zelda and Pokemon, the real giant sellers on Nintendo platforms.
It's such a stupid thing that I can only see it coming from some Microsoft/Nintendo fanboyism
Bryank75
Banned
What have you actually played?
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
It outsold Zelda on both, DS and 3DS. Animal Crossing on DS and 3DS sold more than any Zelda game ever made, even if you count TP on Wii and GCN as one game and BotW on Switch and Wii U as one game.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Yeah it's weird that if a game is now
1. Cinematic
2. An exclusive
3. 3rd person
4. Single Player
It equals it being all the same. Sorta makes it wonder what happens if you removed the exclusivity from those 4 qualities I listed, if most of those people would sing a different tune.
Barakov
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I wouldn't say they are the same but they definitely kinda come off that way. The fact that Ghost of Tsushima/Last of Us Part II/Spiderman/Days Gone are what the Sony's conference concentrated on 1st party wise is kinda where the sentiment came off. I think in actual practice all four games will very different.
No more than FPS games are samey. Sony probably has one of the most diverse set of exclusives that range from things like The Last Guardian, God of War, to Detroit. I'm not sure what this lineup is being compared to.
I suppose you could claim that since a large number are third person games, they are similar but that misses the narrative and gameplay differences.
I first started this gen with GoW, which is third person action adventure with an open world design.
I then followed with Uncharted 4, which is also an action stealth adventure with zoned levels and a high degree of platforming/area traversal.
I then followed with Horizon Zero Dawn which is a third person action adventure with open world design and limited platforming and area traversal.
I then followed it with Detroit: Beyond Human which is a third-person mystery adventure game.
All 4 have similar overlaps but play out quite differently, and 'feel' different when played.
I suppose you could claim that since a large number are third person games, they are similar but that misses the narrative and gameplay differences.
I first started this gen with GoW, which is third person action adventure with an open world design.
I then followed with Uncharted 4, which is also an action stealth adventure with zoned levels and a high degree of platforming/area traversal.
I then followed with Horizon Zero Dawn which is a third person action adventure with open world design and limited platforming and area traversal.
I then followed it with Detroit: Beyond Human which is a third-person mystery adventure game.
All 4 have similar overlaps but play out quite differently, and 'feel' different when played.
Chozofication_
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That's out? Everything except the new god of war. And yeah, the last of us definitely crept its way into that game. I will play it at some point but it's getting a big meh from me right now.
I will say Uncharted 4 is actually a really good game unlike the last of us. I hate this melodramatic walking dead crap that's even infected gears for gobs sake lol.
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cubicle47b
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Their E3 conference this year felt too samey to me, but it was a show focused on a handful of cinematic experiences and they're generally not the kind of games I play.
FunGamezRFun2play
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Sony gets that investing in a multiplayer game for only their platform is kind of an uphill battle. If you look at the H1Z1 developer Daybreak, they used to be a subsidiary of Sony. They made Everquest back when MMOs were still in vogue. Even back then they were publishing on PC as "Sony Online Entertainment." The reason Halo fell out of favor is that Microsoft couldn't sustain an online player base just with the 360. That's why we have all these exclusive dlc arrangements on titles like CoD and Destiny. Sony or Microsoft could easily develop games like CoD or Destiny in house. But console exclusivity would confine those games from reaching loads of players.
camelCase
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Is the second game one of the Persona Dancing games? would be ironic if so.
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Insane Metal
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Lol. No.
Danjin44
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No Persona dancing games has much better visuals.
I guess we could also say western games look samey as well.
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SLoWMoTIoN
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Both fall under Sega but are very different games
Yeah it looks better since it isn't an older arcade game ported into consoles but it has better PVs. 240+tracks vs 30 or so many songs worth of music as well I 2No Persona dancing games has much better visuals.
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AgentP
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Please don't listen to this guy Sony. Those 90+ meta-critic SP experiences are much better than forced MP C-tier games that exist solely to push XBL gold, game pass and DLC sales. The gaming universe is full of MP titles, but quality SP games are rare.
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Danjin44
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Well if you want battle royal games and MP focus games then buy games like Fortnite or Overwatch. Why should sony bother makes those type of game when 3rd party already making for them. I rather see Sony focus on making SP games and base on how much games like God Of War sold I'm not only one.
digital_ghost
I am a closet furry. Don't you judge me.
One word.
Dreams.
Dreams isn't similar to any playstation exclusive.
Dreams.
Dreams isn't similar to any playstation exclusive.
Bryank75
Banned
Man, GOW is the best game this generation. By a long way, on anything imo.
Naked Lunch
Member
Yes they are. All these cinematic, 3rd person games with low skill ceilings and zero replay value do nothing for me. This year's sony e3 show was nothing but that type of game. Uncharted, Horizon, even Yakuza are a bore. I have my Ps4 for Bloodborne, Leynos, FFXII remaster, Everybody's Golf, and Street Fighter V. Thats pretty much it. Sony still doesnt have a killer MP shooter. GT sport was a disappointment. This gen is really all about 3rd party stuff.
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thelastword
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Gran Turimo debuted on PS1, there are only 6 main GT games. Forza debuted on XBOX it now has 7 main games and another coming soon. It also has 4 other games as an offshoot. Making the total number of Forza games 11....
At least Poliphony gave us Motor toon Gran Prix, Tourist Trophy and Omega Boost and has tried something new with GTS with FIA for online championships and sport mode, which is the most popular online driving game there is atm.....No one values Forza's online mode in the same way....it's just not the same quality.
As for shooters on XBOX, Gears is dead, Halo is not relevant anymore, even 60fps MP did not improve dwindling reception and sales. Both of these games including mainline Forza has been dwindling in sales and review score, so next mainline Forza, you can expect that it will hit the 70's because it's just the same thing. GTS is not a mainline GT game, but at least it changed it up and it has a very healthy community,very healthy.
Halo Wars 2 released to no fanfare, not even Digital Foundry covered it at release, it was a sub 30fps game on XBONEX, missing effects even base XBOX had. No one is playing Halo Wars, why would you when you can play a much superior Diablo, Orcs must Die, Defense Grid 2, Defenders Quest, Shadow Tactics etc......
I think the term cinematic experience is used, just like overrated and bad-pacing is used by detractors these days. In as much as there's nothing wrong with cinematic games. Uncharted and Tlou are no more cinematic than Witcher 3 which has lots of cutscenes just the same, Gears has lots of cutscenes, all that sob story with Maria in Gears 2 et al, at least Uncharted and TLOU build their characters much better so you can relate to their relationships/friendships etc...Halo has lots of cinematics, master chief+cortana et al, all that backstory, the betrayals etc..., is it not cinematic? UC tells a good story because it's action adventure, but so does any other main game on any platform, I mean they tell stories too. How can anyone just watch a UC game?..is besides me....Uncharted is 95% gameplay and more varied gameplay than Gears could ever have. There is a reason why I played the first UC 6 times and 3 of those times on crushing, it was not for the cinematics it was for the gameplay. The most watched videos out there on UC1 is about trying to get through the plane wreck, the underground tunnels and church, it's not for looking at cutscenes. UC2 is the same and it's the reason both UC2 and TLOU had some of the best multiplayer in a game last gen.......There's no way people played all that UC2 and TLOU multiplayer and Crushing runs, if it wasn't for pure fun and tactical gameplay.....
In the PS1 days, I heard most people saying Zelda OOT, MGS1, Tekken 3 and FF7 were the best games they played. In the PS2 days I heard most people say the best game they played were GT3, Zelda TWW, MGS2 and 3, GTA trilogy etc...In the PS3 gen you had most people saying it was TLOU and UC2, some MGS4. You look at the games which got GOTY at GAF for the last couple of years to get an idea....or GOTY through the media as well. I guess all those people and accolades don't exist to a barking minority in the wind.....Of course, these are the same persons who would take a sub 70 game no one is playing and say it's the best thing since sliced bread, but we know how these things work.......
Hey, case in point. But you have SOT, you have SOD2, why should Sony have games which are not great, which lacked content and which are so repetitive and unfulfilling that many dropped it days after release. Battle Royale? Sony has the most players on fortnite, it has over 10 million players on H1Z1, and it will have the most players on all future BR games, that is why MS wants Sony to allow them on their servers for free so they could get access to that healthy base of players.....No doubt, so they could go on boasting that their players upshifted to shoot a trillion bullets during crossplay on LIVE down from a million? More engagement numbers they seek whydontthey?
So yes sure, SOD2 and SOT are the most unique games this gen
so unique in fact, that there is no rendered kraken, nothing to do and repetitive gameplay and annoying hunting and gathering in SOD2. So unique that most folk bailed after a few days...You want to know what unique and memorable MP was; Warhawk, KZ2, TLOU1, UC2. This gen it's GTS online and DC for leaderboards, clubs and social integration. Yes, the numbers this gen are with BR, but the unique and well done MP games are those listed......HipHop is the only XBOX fan which I find funny, hilarious guy that....
Really, the onrush, no one is playing or bought, you would think it never released. I love EVO something fierce, and it's a shame that their last couple of titles just seem to not perform as much as they should, but Onrush not having a pure racing mode was always going to be a hard sell. Dark10x is basically crying that his analysis of the game has the lowest views of all his analyses period......I personally think it has too many loud colors and effects on screen and they went too e-sporty with the modes, so hence low interest, but it's a shame Sony let them go, because we could have been playing DC2 right now with our eyesockets blown out with a sense of speed so good it gets you on edge with pure racing thrills and nirvana.....Oh well.....Hope Sony buys Codemasters next gen, because we need another racer apart from GT.
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camelCase
Member
Fuck, really? I've been so indifferent since the Y6 release fell on the same week as its did.