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[HamPster PamPster]

Is the way to transfer your system purchases available yet? Last I remember reading its was coming

A redesign isn't big deal in my opinion. You can simply trade in or sell your old system and get like 2/3rds there. Thrown in a game or two and you're covered. The real issue is Nintendo's completely ass-backwards online system. I wouldn't be surprised if games transfer but saves didn't or all those cool stats can't transfer or that 3DSware transfers but not VC content or some other stupid result.

 

[butter_stick]

I've been had by Nintendo twice before (GBA and NDS), so there's no way I'll buy a Nintendo Portable day 1 ever again.

With that said, I have a question for all the people who said there won't be a redesign anytime soon : do you possess a 3DS right now ?

I do.

The only reason I think there won't be one is because there's not much they can add without increasing the form factor. SP and Lite were small than the originals. Not to mention they're selling the current system at either a loss or lower than usual profits. I think the economies would probably work best if they stuck to the current design and make it profitable.

As a customer I'd like a redesign. All I want is a 3D screen with a better viewing angle (don't care about the science) and a better battery. I just can't see it happening for at least a year and a bit, sadly.

 

[theBishop]

I think a redesign with right stick and R2 is definitely coming and it would be foolish to buy before then.

 

[Starwolf_UK]

Is the way to transfer your system purchases available yet? Last I remember reading its was coming

There were claims that'll be the next firmware update (only 8 days to go).

 

[McLovin]

Pft second analog is just one reason, smaller design, better button layout, brighter screens, better battery life, etc.

 

[Bbaj]

I'm waiting for a redesign.
Main reason: Battery life

I also wouldn't mind seeing a matte, single tone finish.

 

[pramath]

You can tell this whole debacle has really cut some hardcore Nintendo fans deep. Noticeable wincing whenever this topic is raised.

The revision will include the second circle pad for the simple fact that its either that or they redesign, re-release and re-manufacture the 'slide pad add-on' for each and every differently sized/shaped revision system they release from hereon, which would of course be absolutely absurd.

And yes, I am waiting for it because I was a fool and bought a gen 1 GBA, a gen 1 DS and I'm not going be so foolish for a third time around.

Every electronics company in the world releases a new set of accessories for every new iteration of their product. Nintendo included (new link cables for GBA, then GBM, new headphones for GBA SP, new stylii for DSi and DSi XL). What makes this any different?
Seriously, is that your argument?

How is it stupid to wait for one? why should i not wait for one when there is only 1 new game that i kind of want to play? it would be stupid to spend what they want.

I don't care about the zelda "remake" and i don't even care about the 3D gimmick. I don't think anyone is expecting a 2nd analog but when i expect is better battery life and a more secure redesign, the flippy clicky low battery life design out now i don't want.

No, it's okay to wait for a redesign for those reasons. Again, this is something I already said- concerns such as yours are valid reasons to wait for a 3DS redesign. Holding out in the hopes of a mythical 3DS redesign which will incorporate a a second analog, however, is the 'stupid' part. That is all.

 

[Pancakes R Us]

There were claims that'll be the next firmware update (only 8 days to go).

Nintendo confirmed it.

 

[muu]

What do people want, fuel cell-powered 3DS's? Battery tech hasnt changed dramatically over the last year and huge gains won't be realized from a redesign. A bigger screen in a XL version would offset benefits of a larger battery. The current design gives you the freedom to choose between portability and (once the addon pad comes out) extra comfort/controls. I thought people liked choices?

 

[blizzardjesus]

Pft second analog is just one reason, smaller design, better button layout, brighter screens, better battery life, etc.

smaller design... its the same size as a ds lite...

 

[manueldelalas]

Nintendo has slashed the price to get consummers fast so developpers bring games to 3DS.
Second stick is a goodwill gesture, nothing more. It's also an acknowledgment that their dual screen strategy is not as competitive as it was.

3DS bro, yeah sounds nice then you put it nearby a PSVITA and you laugh at the crude touch screen resolution. it's like a ferrari with a volkswagen engine (slight exaggeration).

Second stick is a measure to get Monster Hunter gamers on the system, nothing more, would it not be for MH, the peripheral wouldn't exist.

The VITA comparison made me laugh, and then people complain we laugh at juniors...

Ferrari vs Volkswagen is a comparison that made me remember the Steak vs hamburger argument at the beginning of the generation (that came with second jobs and stuff like that). The Ferrari doesn't have the two extra triggers, and no, the back touchscreen does not do the job (most games map the R2-L2 on the touch screen, and reports from some gaffers said it's easy to accidentally touch the back touchscreen while gaming).

 

[shira]

Sure, they could go for a full aluminum or magnesium case and shave of a few grams and millimeters, but would that be worth an additional $50 - $100? And more importantly, would Nintendo do it? And would you buy it?

Yes! A metal 3DS for +$50. I would pay an extra $100 for a snow white 3DS lite with dual sticks

 

[Pie and Beans]

Every electronics company in the world releases a new set of accessories for every new iteration of their product. Nintendo included (new link cables for GBA, then GBM, new headphones for GBA SP, new stylii for DSi and DSi XL). What makes this any different?
Seriously, is that your argument?

Yes, and it still stands because your rebuttal is appallingly weak. Cables are no longer even a concern, stylii are included with the unit and headphones are universal objects that plug in through a port (unless you're the GBA SP hayoooo).

From the very concept, the 'cradle' has to fit snugly around the contours of the current shape and size of the 3DS. One added bump here or there from thickness increasing, solving the 'it scratches the god damn screen' problem, making an XL sized unit and more would necessitate a new cradle to be designed and manufactured each and every time. If you took the DS model into account and this cradle was created for that in it's first year, you would have on the market:

- DS Phat Slide Pad Cradle.
- DS Lite Slide Pad Cradle.
- DSi Slide Pad Cradle.
-DSi XL Slide Pad Cradle.

We've already established consumers are dumb enough to find the 3DS hard to pick out from the DS lineup, now imagine 3 or 4 pieces of plastic attachments that are useless with incorrect models. Congrats, you've created a fucking retail nightmare.

The people crying about there never being a revision that incorporates the slide pad are also probably the same people that raged for 01.net's blood over such an impossible, insane nonsense rumour of the add-on's existence anyway. You're not playing the odds with your irrationally passioned absolutes, friends.

 

[evilchicken]

Every electronics company in the world releases a new set of accessories for every new iteration of their product. Nintendo included (new link cables for GBA, then GBM, new headphones for GBA SP, new stylii for DSi and DSi XL). What makes this any different?
Seriously, is that your argument?



No, it's okay to wait for a redesign for those reasons. Again, this is something I already said- concerns such as yours are valid reasons to wait for a 3DS redesign. Holding out in the hopes of a mythical 3DS redesign which will incorporate a a second analog, however, is the 'stupid' part. That is all.

There is a big difference in that those accessories (stylus, headphones, etc) either came with the system or didn't impact gameplay. By releasing a new 3DS without the added circle pad, you are rendering games you already own useless unless you buy the "optional" accessory a second time to match the new hardware. I don't think there is a precedent for that from Nintendo (with the exception of old gen-> new gen leaps). That's what makes this different, and that's why you shouldn't use such a condescending phrase like "Seriously, is that your argument?" when there is no real comparison you can point to. Well actually, there might be one.

Now that MotionPlus is out, Nintendo doesn't even sell wiimotes that don't have MotionPlus built in anymore. Why would they do that even though a strong majority of games don't require motion plus? Well, because that would be a bad idea.

 

[PSGames]

I think a redesign with right stick and R2 is definitely coming and it would be foolish to buy before then.

Not foolish at all. I'm playing the games I want to play. I'll trade this puppy in if a revision is released.

There is a big difference in that those accessories (stylus, headphones, etc) either came with the system or didn't impact gameplay. By releasing a new 3DS without the added circle pad, you are rendering games you already own useless unless you buy the "optional" accessory a second time to match the new hardware. I don't think there is a precedent for that from Nintendo (with the exception of old gen-> new gen leaps). That's what makes this different, and that's why you shouldn't use such a condescending phrase like "Seriously, is that your argument?" when there is no real comparison you can point to. Well actually, there might be one.

At the moment there are zero games that require the circle pad.

 

[jooey]

Now that MotionPlus is out, Nintendo doesn't even sell wiimotes that don't have MotionPlus built in anymore. Why would they do that even though a strong majority of games don't require motion plus? Well, because that would be a bad idea.

Don't compare anything that happens in the console market to the handheld market. Your point goes right out the window.

 

[AbsoluteZero]

I think a redesign with right stick and R2 is definitely coming and it would be foolish to buy before then.

The problem with this line of thought is that let's say a revision is never released.

Do you just not buy the system ever?

 

[Guevara]

The problem with this line of thought is that let's say a revision is never released.

Do you just not buy the system ever?

It's Nintendo; there will be a revision.

If not, no big deal. Buy a 3DS right before the the 4DS or if the 4DS is backwards compatible you win.

 

[pramath]

It's Nintendo; there will be a revision.

If not, no big deal. Buy a 3DS right before the the 4DS or if the 4DS is backwards compatible you win.

'I'm not buying a 4DS because I'm waiting for the revision.'

 

[AbsoluteZero]

It's Nintendo; there will be a revision.

If not, no big deal. Buy a 3DS right before the the 4DS or if the 4DS is backwards compatible you win.

Can't buy the 4DS until there's a revision.

Edit: Hah, pramath.

 

[Bumhead]

I did own a 3DS. Then sold it. Now want another, and am prepared to buy another before any revision if the price is right.

How stupid am I?

The only things I ask of a potential revision are the second stick and a more streamlined appearance. The 3 tiered design of the 3DS hardware is really ugly, in my opinion.

 

[Pie and Beans]

'I'm not buying a 4DS because I'm waiting for the revision.'

Can't buy the 4DS until there's a revision.

Good, you've both learned what the savvy consumer has gathered after 3 generations of portable Nintendo hardware upgrade paths.

That you're both incredulous over people not buying Nintendo handhelds in their first year says a lot.

 

[Valnen]

Waiting for $100 used. Tops.

Or Pokemon with awesome online and with IV/EV's visible. Whichever comes first.

 

[AbsoluteZero]

Good, you've both learned what the savvy consumer has gathered after 3 generations of portable Nintendo hardware upgrade paths.

That you're both incredulous over people not buying Nintendo handhelds in their first year says a lot.

If you "always wait for a revision" you'll never end up buying anything.

 

[Rickenslacker]

I'm not getting it now because I don't want to Frankenstick it if the revision comes with the second analog in it.

Also, when I got my DS Phat, Nintendo announced the Lite three days after. Never again am I buying a first revision Nintendo handheld.

 

[Boney]

Good, you've both learned what the savvy consumer has gathered after 3 generations of portable Nintendo hardware upgrade paths.

That you're both incredulous over people not buying Nintendo handhelds in their first year says a lot.

I bought a DS Phat, sold it a few weeks before the lite hit and got a lite.
Was planning on selling my lite to get a DSi, but my lite broke so I had to get a DSi from scratch

 

[The Boat]

I don't know about you, but I'm holding out on an iPod because I'm waiting for a new model, whoever buys one now is an idiot.

 

[Emitan]

I bought a DS Phat, sold it a few weeks before the lite hit and got a lite.
Was planning on selling my lite to get a DSi, but my lite broke so I had to get a DSi from scratch

Isn't your house made of gold bars? Oh sorry, I mean houses because you have two of them.

Spoiler

Bought my DS Phat and Lite from scratch, but I got a Lite when the DSi was out so it was cheaper

 

[AbsoluteZero]

I'm not getting it now because I don't want to Frankenstick it if the revision comes with the second analog in it.

Also, when I got my DS Phat, Nintendo announced the Lite three days after. Never again am I buying a first revision Nintendo handheld.

So if there's no second stick in the revision do you just wait some more?

 

[Rickenslacker]

So if there's no second stick in the revision do you just wait some more?

Nah, but I'm not going to splurge on one just now with that potential out there.

 

[Piercedveil]

There will inevitably be a revision at some point in time. 3DS sales have really picked up and I don't think the revision will be for a while. I also don't think the revision will have a second circle pad since no games require it, and all games are completely playable without it. They may make it thinner, larger, have a bigger screen, or whatever but I don't think the screen will have better viewing angles (unless technology advances that rapidly, of course ) and the second circle pad will remain a peripheral. Obviously I don't know this for sure, just an opinion from seeing how things are going. I bought mine already because I wanted to play some of the games that have released or are releasing very soon and I think the current model is perfectly fine.

 

[Boney]

Isn't your house made of gold bars? Oh sorry, I mean houses because you have two of them.

Spoiler

Bought my DS Phat and Lite from scratch, but I got a Lite when the DSi was out so it was cheaper

I already invited you here. And yeah I was eyeing the DSi holiday 2009

 

[Emitan]

I already invited you here.

Iza has enough jobs for the two of us. Just waiting for him to buy the tickets.

 

[thepotatoman]

My question to the hold outs is what if there ends up being no redesign?

I think it's certainly possible that there wont be one. I'll even go out on a limb and say there wont be one.

Every launch system before the 3DS had huge problems that needed a redisign to fix. The original GB was huge, the GBA had no backlight and flip phones were becoming popular, and the DS was big, ugly, and the screen was kind of dark, but what would nintendo do to the 3DS to really make it any better?

The screen is about as bright as anyone would need and the system as small as it could possibly get without losing screen size. Ill admit only one analog stick was a glaring flaw, but even with all of nintendo's redesigns they've never split the userbase quite like that before. The only other thing that really needs addressing is the battery life, but is that alone really going to justify a redesign? Seriously what specifically are you guy's waiting for nintendo to improve? Is there a point in which you give in?

 

[AbsoluteZero]

My question to the hold outs is what if there ends up being no redesign?

I think it's certainly possible that there wont be one. I'll even go out on a limb and say there wont be one.

Every launch system before the 3DS had huge problems that needed a redisign to fix. The original GB was huge, the GBA had no backlight and flip phones were becoming popular, and the DS was big, ugly, and the screen was kind of dark, but what would nintendo do to the 3DS to really make it any better?

The screen is about as bright as anyone would need and the system as small as it could possibly get without losing screen size. Ill admit only one analog stick was a glaring flaw, but even with all of nintendo's redesigns they've never split the userbase quite like that before. The only other thing that really needs addressing is the battery life, but is that alone really going to justify a redesign? Seriously what specifically are you guy's waiting for nintendo to improve? Is there a point in which you give in?

Poor Jerec, he probably can't see the 3D very well at all.

 

[Guevara]

I can wait forever. I might never buy a 3DS and just play 3DS games 12 years from now on some kind of virtual console.

I waited until the GB Micro before I got a GBA. It was finally what I wanted and the games were there. No one in 2001 would have predicted that this:

Would turn into (the best handheld design to date) this in 2005:

In 3 or 4 years the 3DS will look like piece of shit, just like the original GBA does now, just like the DS fat does now.

 

[BurntPork]

There were claims that'll be the next firmware update (only 8 days to go).

Pretty safe to say that the update has been delayed.

 

[PSGames]

Nah, but I'm not going to splurge on one just now with that potential out there.

Your existing 3DS won't spontaneously combust if a revision is announced. You can sell it.

 

[AbsoluteZero]

I can wait forever. I might never buy a 3DS and just play 3DS games 12 years from now on some kind of virtual console.

I waited until the GB Micro before I got a GBA. It was finally what I wanted and the games were there. No one in 2001 would have predicted that this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Game-Boy-Advance-1stGen.png/250px-Game-Boy-Advance-1stGen.png[IMG]

Would turn into (the best handheld design to date) this in 2005:

[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Game-Boy-Micro.png/250px-Game-Boy-Micro.png[IMG]

In 3 or 4 years the 3DS will look like piece of shit, just like the original GBA does now, just like the DS fat does now.[/QUOTE]

Alternatively, when the revision comes out, you can buy it, and sell your current 3DS with little to no money out of pocket.

It's what I plan on doing anyway.

 

[CoffeeExpress]

It needs a handle like the GameCube tbh

 

[TheOGB]

I'm waiting for purple and region free.

This guy

is pretty cool

 

[FoxSpirit]

I'm waiting for purple and region free.

I'm waiting for better battery life, region free, or the green/steel blue color. Also waiting for Fire Emblem and Paper Mario to get released along with other games that interest me. So I still got a while before that happens, and I have plenty of old PS2, and GCN games I missed out on to tide me over until I decide to buy a 3DS.

Don't care for a redesign if they keep it region locked.

Yup, region free or bust.

 

[Night_Trekker]

Of course I am waiting. Who experiences the past three generations of Nintendo handhelds and then buys their new handheld in its first iteration?

 

[Fallacy]

I already got screwed over when I bought the DS on release, I'm not gonna make that mistake again.

 

[protonion]

I'm waiting for a redesign since before 3DS' reveal. I did this for the DS too after buying the original gba...

Also I'd like it to be bigger.For battery life mainly but -after playing with it at a mall- also because I'd like bigger screens.

 

[speedpop]

It needs a handle like the GameCube tbh

That was probably the best choice ever made by Nintendo. The amount of times I carried my GC with the handle while toting several games and controllers and cables at the same time....

It was a lazy man's dream.

 

[TerryWogan]

Probably covered already, but can someone explain to me why a redesign with L and R triggers - therefore making the console chunkier - would be a bad thing? I'd fucking love a chunkier handheld. Something that actually fits in my hand like a 360 pad or a GameCube pad instead of these awful sharp-edged rectangles that make me have to readjust my grip every five minutes. Who the hell actually puts a 3DS in their pocket anyway? Do you wear cargo pants every day? The 3DS - and most recent portables for that matter - are on the large side of 'pocket-sized' anyway, so add some creature comforts!

For the record, I sold my 3DS shortly after completing OOT. Battery life was terrible and the second nub was rumoured. I'll jump back on board at the redesign with longer battery life, larger screens and a built-in second nub.

 

[Jomjom]

I'm definitely waiting for a redesign for the region-free and built in second analog stick. People who are saying the stick isn't going to be incorporated are delusional and obviously trying to justify their purchase. Hey do what you gotta do to avoid buyer's remorse, I've done it before.

Region-free is not a sure thing though. I could see Nintendo never implementing that, which would mean I would never buy a 3DS, especially if there's a chance the Layton/Ace Attorney game never gets localized.

EDIT: Saw the post about battery life. I would like that as well, but unless we get some kind of leap in rechargeable battery technology, I fear that it may simply be impossible without increasing the handheld's size considerably.

Second stick is a measure to get Monster Hunter gamers on the system, nothing more, would it not be for MH, the peripheral wouldn't exist.

Seriously?? You gotta be kidding me with that comment. Your assertion would be correct if you replaced the words "Monster Hunter" with whatever you want to call "core gamers" and "western gamers".

 

[Gospel]

Yup, region free or bust.

well new hardware ain't gonna bring that along so i guess bust it is.

 

[theBishop]

The problem with this line of thought is that let's say a revision is never released.

Do you just not buy the system ever?

Yeah, you're absolutely right. I guess if there are games you really can't wait to play, get it now and risk taking the hit later. But personally I would wait until March. That's when DS Lite launched. It was officially announced in January 2006, so Nintendo definitely has a history of dropping a revision soon after the holiday.

That attachment is so hideous...