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ARMS is about to outsell SFV. Why?
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ElBoxyBrown
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Splatoon 2 is a sequel.
Tekken was pretty big on PS2? Or well i remember so, in my childhood all my friends had it and me too. So i can see why Tekken is popular again on ps4 and injustice has mainstream pressence too. Same for Smash and Mortal Kombat.
Capcom kinda ruined that with Street Fighter. Or well they mismanaged the IP.
Capcom kinda ruined that with Street Fighter. Or well they mismanaged the IP.
Garrett Hawke
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I disagree with the assessment of them being annoying regardless of context or meaning which is why that was my takeaway.
Attack You
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He just feels guilty he didn't close the thread before you came in and wasted your effort on a not-shitpost. Let him seeeeeeethe.
This might have been answered before, but is Nintendo contributing to the prize pool at all?
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
Tekken 3 is still the best selling fighting game ever.
Not sure, but I took the OP to be more about, why is SFV struggling like this despite being a long-established franchise with a huge potential userbase of 60 million? A new IP on a new system selling nearly as much in just one month vs SFV's one year just kind of puts it into perspective.
As a more casual SF fan, I'm personally waiting for them to give me the best deal possible. I'll opt in when there are a ton of characters and modes and costumes for me to enjoy as someone who primarily plays the CPU. I don't want to grind fight money, so I'll wait for a truly all-in-one package for $60 or less.
Tekken has hit nostalgia territory much like Crash. It helps that recent releases have been high quality.
LordRaptor
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I believe the traditional response is "Button masher"
lucebuce12
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Laura
Not sure, I don't think prize pools at EVO Japan have been detailed, yet.
Yes, it most certainly was the gif.
QisTopTier
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Wouldn't it be because they typically add an overly arrogant snarky tone? That's almost always been my take away with a majority of them.
As for the topic Arms had a big marketing push, Casuals were not too hot on fighters from capcom in general after ultra mvc3 -> sfxt -> shitty ultra sf4 port -> sfv being barebones, the lack of popular characters in SFV didn't help either.
nah
Tekken 5 was the epitome of everything great about Tekken.
Then they made 6 and shat the bed.
Discussion has saved this thread from its trash opening post
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
I figured the same, including the bachorettr part!I don't use pop gifs, but frankly I find them less annoying than uptight people getting bent out of shape over them ¯_(ツ_/¯
I imagine the people who use them do so ironically. Kind of like how people watch The Bachelorette.
To add to this Tekken is the highest selling fighting game franchise of all time.
Dark Ninja
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They outsource alot for SFV but that's not really an issue if you have good quality control. Every company outsources even Nintendo. Pretty much all of the current content being rolled out for SFV is done by outsource studios and freelancers. The art and art direction for SFV is great.
Several reasons:
-ARMS is a really good game
-ARMS is on a console right now that has little to no other games, you have a switch, you have to get ARMS
-Street Fighter V, while not a bad game, burned a lot of long time fans due to poor handling
-Street Fighter V is on platforms with tons of competing fighting game franchises: KOF, KI, Tekken, even USFIV is cannibalizing the community
-ARMS has not a single rival game, the biggest threat to ARMS's audience is Splatoon 2, and chances are, if you have a Switch, you have BOTH ARMS and Splatoon 2
So, TL
R, ARMS is on a position that is garanteed to be bought by every switch owner, while SFV is a tuffer pitch for PC/PS4 users, and it has little to do with either games' quality.
And for the record: I don't have a switch and i have been having tons of fun playing as Abigail.
-ARMS is a really good game
-ARMS is on a console right now that has little to no other games, you have a switch, you have to get ARMS
-Street Fighter V, while not a bad game, burned a lot of long time fans due to poor handling
-Street Fighter V is on platforms with tons of competing fighting game franchises: KOF, KI, Tekken, even USFIV is cannibalizing the community
-ARMS has not a single rival game, the biggest threat to ARMS's audience is Splatoon 2, and chances are, if you have a Switch, you have BOTH ARMS and Splatoon 2
So, TL
R, ARMS is on a position that is garanteed to be bought by every switch owner, while SFV is a tuffer pitch for PC/PS4 users, and it has little to do with either games' quality.And for the record: I don't have a switch and i have been having tons of fun playing as Abigail.
Rynocirator
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Tekken 7 is selling that well? I know Tekken has been around for a bit but I have hard time believing its selling more than the DBZ/Naruto games.
Principate
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Will be interesting to see how sales develop but it seems like Tekken is the only FG with a legacy with a consistency worth a damn, even it's worse performing titles seem to do better than SF relatively.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
stan423321
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There are multiple good reasons and they all contribute, I imagine.
I don't want to spend more time coming up with stuff that no one will care about.
- SFV aimed for serious fighting game fans which are less "hungry" nowadays than non-serious fighting game fans. I may not be knowledgeable enough about the scene but I actually have problems with coming up with non-Nintendo examples of non-serious fighting games that weren't made on a really tight budget. Meanwhile, serious fighting game fans have KoF, Tekken, DoA, Guilty Gear... I consider Mortal Kombat and Injustice more serious than not.
- The relatively unoffensive ARMS aesthetic is further away from modern AAA mainstream than SFV's aesthetic does, so, similarly to the point above, it is highly appealing to a certain demographic. For reference, I think that this is not the case on Switch taken by itself, and definitely was not the case in some past times.
- SFV has microtransactions which some people don't like. ARMS has no microtransactions.
- SFV has been directed at naturally more critical core fan base which has resulted in some early negative points raised, like the game being obviously launched too early to allow serious tourney players to warm up. (Steam version rootkit affair happened way after launch so it's not an example.) ARMS was not treated too seriously by anyone ever, which happened to be a good call.
- Nintendo platforms tend to have a large number of gamers interested in local multiplayer modes. Both games discussed suit themselves well to that, some would argue SFV suits itself better to that, in fact. But SFV did not launch on a Nintendo platform, while ARMS did.
- Some people argued that burnout on SF4 was a thing. There was no ARMS equivalent.
- Some amount of reverse rubber band happened due to online population being a thing. The resulting remaining online population in SFV tending to be really good at the game did not help either.
- I remember a lot of people being really annoyed with SFV after the purchase for one reason or another. This drives up used sales and reduces interest of other purchasers. ARMS got similarly lukewarm reviews but it looks like most people who didn't like it didn't end up buying it - both beta and marketing could have been a factor there - which translates into less negativity.
I don't want to spend more time coming up with stuff that no one will care about.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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This is actually a good thread, dont close it. Why hide it. Its not like its fake news.
Lights and Waves
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This post is perfect.
The Last One
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I'm not sure we can conclude Arms actual sold numbers but, the only thing we know is this:
PAL:
It debuted lower than 1-2 Switch, no numbers unfortunetely.
Japan:
Currently at 180K.
NA:
We only got the June NPD results, which were: 256K (phisycal + digital).
It's nowhere near as deep as Tekken or Street Fighter.
oh, I've only mostly skimmed the last 3 pages and opening page.
Not sure there's much to discuss though. We have to wait and see how ARMS does before you can say anything about the market.
You could at least wait until it actually sells SFV.
Isn't the USFIV community basically dead, I can't find a match online these days without coordinating with others. Same for KoFXIV (which is honestly heartbreaking).Several reasons:
-ARMS is a really good game
-ARMS is on a console right now that has little to no other games, you have a switch, you have to get ARMS
-Street Fighter V, while not a bad game, burned a lot of long time fans due to poor handling
-Street Fighter V is on platforms with tons of competing fighting game franchises: KOF, KI, Tekken, even USFIV is cannibalizing the community
-ARMS has not a single rival game, the biggest threat to ARMS's audience is Splatoon 2, and chances are, if you have a Switch, you have BOTH ARMS and Splatoon 2
So, TL
Ah, okay. Would be pleasantly surprised if they contributed, since they didn't with Smash Bros at EVO.
Both Brawl and Smash 4 outsold it.
Technically, we'll have to wait for next quarter report to see if they ship more copies. Not saying they will not...
But look at what happened to SFV.
LowParry
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Could you at least explain why? Never played it but people seem to throw out the "game is deep" excuse.
Oh I know, same on OpenCritic, where ARMS is 78 and SFV is 75. What I'm saying is the language used in the reviews was different. ARMs was a positive 78, whereas SFV had many mention it felt like an "incomplete" 75. That, mixed with it's marketing, could affect the sales numbers.
lmao there you goMetal Gear Brawl
SixMachine
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Tbh, I really like Tekken 7 but there is not much for the casual player. The story mode is very short, character endings are 1 battle and treasure battle is more repetitive than anything. To get your money's worth you have to be playing against other people, which the game plays extremely well.
MaximumSpider
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O-oh my..ARMS knocking out all expectations!
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