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[cordy]

And I gotta say given the more recent SFV talk, let's go ahead and ask a question...

To everyone last year who was in favor of a SSFV and was crapped on, can we give those people some props. Seems a lot more people are on the bandwagon for this now and honestly speaking it needs this. I've been saying this since the first month.

 

[Gorillaz]

Does this mean Nintendo downloaded Capcom?

 

[Neoxon]

Ah, okay. Would be pleasantly surprised if they contributed, since they didn't with Smash Bros at EVO.

It could also be the fact that ARMS was actually made at Nintendo EPD, so perhaps Nintendo may push it more competitively by contributing to the prize pool. It's part of the reason why I'd be cool with the next Smash game to be made internally at Nintendo EPD (maybe by the ARMS/Mario Kart team).

 

[fhqwhgads]

I don't see how anyone can make excuses for Street Fighter. It's got nothing to do with "Switch owners will buy anything because there's no games" or "Street Fighter had too much competition"

Plain and simple, it's Capcom royally messing up their biggest franchise in a serious way. First impressions count in gaming and if a game struggles at launch there's very little chance of success after. It's not even the first time this has happened to them, remember Street Fighter X Tekken?

Street Fighter is a household gaming name, it shouldn't be struggling for sales. But here's Capcom deciding to launch the game in a barebones state with terrible online, completely ignoring the casual audiences and changing the game mechanics for the worse (Admittedly, you can see what they were trying to do there but it's still a big step down)

ARMS might not be the cheapest game or had the most content, but it has enough to keep a casual player satisfied, doesn't feel like it was rushed out the gate and most important, it's online play actually works. Street Fighter failed all three of these when it first came out. Capcom has 100% blame for Street Fighter not selling well.

 

[kikiribu]

This is actually a good thread, dont close it. Why hide it. Its not like its fake news.

Why lock this one?

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1412700

Not like it was fake news. It had an actual thought-out OP and didn't include shitty PopGAF gif reactions in response to itself.

 

[DanielJr82]

Nintendo.


A little less provocative version:

ARMS is a new game on a brand new and popular console that doesn't have a large library of the game or busy schedule of releases yet.

Do we really need to explain this?

Exactly!

 

[oneida]

And I gotta say given the more recent SFV talk, let's go ahead and ask a question...

To everyone last year who was in favor of a SSFV and was crapped on, can we give those people some props. Seems a lot more people are on the bandwagon for this now and honestly speaking it needs this. I've been saying this since the first month.

just bail and make Alpha 4

 

[XiaNaphryz]

I don't use pop gifs, but frankly I find them less annoying than uptight people getting bent out of shape over them ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

The main issue is that several times they end up being used on the forum, they lead to nonsensical pop gif image spam often lacking in context that does nothing to contribute to that particular discussion.

There's a time and a place for dumb gifs. But the way it's used here just makes it feel like an obvious troll to bait people into a particular argument. As Steve mentioned before, we came close to just locking this thread right away.

 

[ProBusinessgamer]

its not fair to compare a 1st party game, also not fair to compare a 1st party game on a system with really no other options besides minecraft, zelda, mario, and splatoon...there are not really that many options.
While Sony and MS have big 3rd party games every month, so a small 3rd party game like SF V will get lost in the shuffle, while ARMS will stand out more in a small pond of far and few releases of any meaningful title.
Lastly, the Wii, the Wii U, the Switch..... really only the 1st party games sell million plus, and there is a bit of a double standard, a switch third pary ships 420k and its a smash hit, sunset ovedrive sold over a million and people consider that a failure in some circles

 

[DeathoftheEndless]

Anyone can enjoy ARMS. SFV is mostly for competitive players.

 

[Neiteio]

Could you at least explain why? Never played it but people seem to throw out the "game is deep" excuse.

More than 4,000 character/arms combinations, charged attacks with secondary effects, unique character abilities, mobility options out the butt with dashes and air-dashes and multi-jumps and dive-kicks (depending on character), and the fact that you can curve your attacks, simultaneously and independently of each other, in different directions, while doing the aforementioned air-dashing and multi-jumping, etc.

The skill ceiling involved in doing all of the above, with speed and precision against fast-moving targets (up to three opponents at once) in full 3D spaces that come in a variety of layouts (vertical stages, sloped stages, stages with trampolines, destructible cover, etc), is pretty much limitless.

Actually play the game in Ranked Mode and see for yourself how good people get.

 

[Planx]

Could you at least explain why? Never played it but people seem to throw out the "game is deep" excuse.

There's a roster filled with dozens and dozens of arms that can be equipped 3 at a time to each of the characters and of those 3 arms you bring 1 or 2 into a fight. That means there's a very deep counterplay situation where you have to balance your character's unique abilities against what arms you like to use against what arms are good against the ones you like.

 

[BitStyle]

Tbh, I really like Tekken 7 but there is not much for the casual player. The story mode is very short, character endings are 1 battle and treasure battle is more repetitive than anything. To get your money's worth you have to be playing against other people, which the game plays extremely well.

Yeah, I feel Injustice 2 had the most to offer casuals in terms of content. Story mode was very well done

 

[QisTopTier]

Why are people calling Arms casual????

Game is deep as fuck

As a serious fighting game fan, that game is about a deep as a kiddie pool.

It's fun, but DEEP AS FUCK is not something even remotely close to what it is.

There's a roster filled with dozens and dozens of arms that can be equipped 3 at a time to each of the characters and of those 3 arms you bring 1 or 2 into a fight. That means there's a very deep counterplay situation where you have to balance your character's unique abilities against what arms you like to use against what arms are good against the ones you like.

Yeah this is practically nothing. It's literally the start of a decent fighting game.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

SFV sold 1.4 million its first month or so. So even though they're close, SFV still sold better.

Those ARMS figures are only up to June 30th, at which point ARMS had been out for two weeks.

 

[c0de]

SFV sold 1.4 million its first month or so. So even though they're close, SFV still sold better.

Eh. What?

 

[True Fire]

This isn't surprising news. Strawmen everywhere.

 

[Neoxon]

And I gotta say given the more recent SFV talk, let's go ahead and ask a question...

To everyone last year who was in favor of a SSFV and was crapped on, can we give those people some props. Seems a lot more people are on the bandwagon for this now and honestly speaking it needs this. I've been saying this since the first month.

I wouldn't expect a Third Strike-tier overhaul for SSFV if it happens, but rather something that would be massive by firmware update standards. It can't be an entirely separate game unless Capcom wants to go back on their word and fracture the player base.

 

[Alucrid]

why is the dawn of esports linked with the death of casual games? i mean, look at smash. it concedes to the first point while disproving the second.

 

[kikiribu]

Eh. What?

Comparing first month sales.

 

[Principate]

Exactly!

SF used to sell what ARMS sells per extra version minimum. Even the 3DS version is at 1.2 million.

SFV is on 2 of the biggest platforms available and was an early major PS4 exclusive.

SFV bombed massively that's the only big takeaway from this.

 

[mbpm1]

Even if capcom tried an overhaul I don't know if they would know what to overhaul gameplay wise

 

[Maximus.]

I guess intense fighting games with a large learning curve aren't appealing to the general public?

 

[JeTmAn81]

I didn't realize Arms was a fighting game. SFV is better compared to Injustice and Tekken.

 

[Man God]

The theme song for ARMS is pretty rad

That's why SF IV did so well initially, Indestructible.

 

[13ruce]

The main issue is that several times they end up being used on the forum, they lead to nonsensical pop gif image spam often lacking in context that does nothing to contribute to that particular discussion.

There's a time and a place for dumb gifs. But the way it's used here just makes it feel like an obvious troll to bait people into a particular argument. As Steve mentioned before, we came close to just locking this thread right away.

It's like there secretly is a whole group of popgaf posters waitin to post some gifs lol, is popgaf truly that crazy? I thought it was a running joke

 

[Neiteio]

The main issue is that several times they end up being used on the forum, they lead to nonsensical pop gif image spam often lacking in context that does nothing to contribute to that particular discussion.

There's a time and a place for dumb gifs. But the way it's used here just makes it feel like an obvious troll to bait people into a particular argument. As Steve mentioned before, we came close to just locking this thread right away.

I think the OP's intent with the gifs was just a tongue-in-cheek riff on the underdog beating expectations

Probably not worth anyone getting elevated blood pressure

 

[Champion]

Because Capcom in 2017 ain't shit and Nintendo pretty damn good with dat software.

 

[Oberon]

Tekken 3 is still the best selling fighting game ever.

According to ******** Tekken 3 sold 7.1 million and Super smash bros Brawl sold 12.8 million. So it's not even close which one sold the most

edit : lol that site is banned?

edit 2 : So according to wikipedia, Tekken sold 8.3 million and brawl 13.21 million

 

[Head.spawn]

By Christmas, it will definite surpass it by a good amount I'd bet.

 

[lucebuce12]

Well that is an interesting question considering they had a similar amount of content at launch.

Oh boy.

 

[AdaWong]

ashgdhjsad you deadass took those ".... Why?" threads from ATRL

 

[Nights Owl]

That's why SF IV did so well initially, Indestructible.

The fact I can hear the song in my head just by reading this is nuts. I'm not a very big SF fan and I've only played like 3 hours of 4. But that theme man. So good.

 

[Principate]

I didn't realize Arms was a fighting game. SFV is better compared to Injustice and Tekken.

I didn't realise ARMS was not a fighting game? What's your criteria for fighting games? Is DoA not a fighting game?

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Only thing fake is the girls in the gifs.

I actually dig the pop gifs and New York can be cute sometimes

 

[QisTopTier]

I didn't realize Arms was a fighting game. SFV is better compared to Injustice and Tekken.

Arms is pretty obviously a fighting game

 

[cordy]

just bail and make Alpha 4

You know they ain't got it like that anymore.

I wouldn't expect a Third Strike-tier overhaul for SSFV if it happens, but rather something that would be massive by firmware update standards. It can't be an entirely separate game unless Capcom wants to go back on their word and fracture the player base.

They've been fractured the SF player base with SFV's release.

 

[Mik317]

It says a lot about the general popularity of Street Fighter. In my honest opinion its not THE fighting game to the public. Its your Mortal Kombat's, your Smash Bros.' that take that crown. Capcom has really damaged the brand.

I mean that's been the case before SFV, no? It could be that SFIV's success was due to being the first new SF in a long ass time and being the first out the gate of the fighting game "resurrection".

But bottom line is that Netherealm knows how to bring in EVERYONE with its insane ammount of content and relatively easy to play hard to master gameplay. Smash is the same but with the added bonus of the best IPs in the buisness and even easier entry levels. At the end of the day Street Fighter is a borderline anime as fuck (lol), often weird series that has "difficult" motions and a lot of learn (with or without an actual tutorial) without the bells and whistles. That's a rough sell. Add the aforementioned bells and whistles (which are now standard for the genre) and I wonder if it still didn't get beat by Smash and MK/Injustice. It is very possible SFIV was an outlier of the series success., no? Absence makes the heart fonder and all that jazz, right? With a shitton of ways to get your fighting game fix nowadays, just solid gameplay isn't enough (and there are arguments about SFV's gameplay in itself).

 

[Alucrid]

I didn't realise ARMS was not a fighting game? What's your criteria for fighting games? Is DoA not a fighting game?

dress up dlc simulator

 

[giancarlo123x]

This game...i think it markets to my tastes.

might have to pick this up now ¯_(&#12484_/¯

A digital ass is what influences your decision to buy this game? Why not use Google and save 60 dollars?

 

[KodaRuss]

ARMS is doing something different that many companies would never try imo.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Because, as much ppl were in denial when SFV initial dissapointing sales happened, the game was a big failure.

 

[sixteen-bit]

According to ******** Tekken 3 sold 7.1 million and Super smash bros Brawl sold 12.8 million. So it's not even close which one sold the most

edit : lol that site is banned?

yeah cuz it's not reputable

 

[Hesh]

500,000 is quite a bit of a gap, I don't think it's as close to SF5 as you're making it out to be. It's certainly possible for ARMS to outsell SF5, but it still would need to sell another 42% of its current to-date units sold and that isn't even factoring in continued sales of SF5 on PC & PS4 at the same time.

 

[Nimby]

Different genres and such, but Street Fighter is currently in the same league as Persona.

I bet MvCI does even worse.

 

[lucebuce12]

They've been fractured the SF player base with SFV's release.

what

 

[Neiteio]

Well that is an interesting question considering they had a similar amount of content at launch.

I mean, in ARMS single-player, you can do grand prix, volleyball, basketball, target shooting, horde mode, 1v1 with or without items, tethered 2v2, free-for-alls with three or four fighters, a survival mode with randomized loadouts, the typical training mode, and a mode where you combo targets with your earned currency to unlock new weapons (up to 30+ per fighter).

Since then they've started adding additional modes, characters, stages, weapons, etc. For free, but you don't have to grind for it. It's a good value.

 

[Neonep]

People that say ARMS is deep are either saying ARMS is surprisingly deep for what it is but know it doesn't come close to what real depth is or because they have no actually knowledge or how deep fighting games can go.

 

[XenoRaven]

Oh boy.

I will never forgive you for that avatar.

 

[13ruce]

According to ******** Tekken 3 sold 7.1 million and Super smash bros Brawl sold 12.8 million. So it's not even close which one sold the most

edit : lol that site is banned?

edit 2 : So according to wikipedia, Tekken sold 8.3 million and brawl 13.21 million

Yes that site either has outdated sales figures or makes em up by guessing what it sold after last official sales numbers. Or even makes em totally up.