Fantastical
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Right but people won't talk about those episodes - they already did. It just seems silly to create a whole season, put it up on Netflix for people to watch in a couple days, and then ask, "Okay, what's next?"
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Arrested Development Season 4: The Bluths are making new mistakes!
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Right but people won't talk about those episodes - they already did. It just seems silly to create a whole season, put it up on Netflix for people to watch in a couple days, and then ask, "Okay, what's next?"
WordAssassin
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No just from the description of it:
Lucile is inside smoking but she's not allowed to smoke there, so she blows the smoke into Buster's mouth and he runs outside to exhale it
Fantastical
Death Prophet
So this is a new scene? I'm confused.
For one thing, airing them at once will allow creators freedom to break the format and create a new style of television. It's exciting and should be encouraged.
Second, Netflix knows that getting the subscriber to initially sign up is the hard part. Anything that signs up new customers is a win for them. I'm willing to bet they'll keep more than they'll lose after that one month.
Deleted scene from season 4.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Maybe. Ultimately it doesn't really matter, but I still wish it wasn't like that.
Cool, hopefully it goes online.
So Mitch wanted to make the Night Trap of sitcoms?
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
People might not talk about each episode individually, but they absolutely will talk about each season as a whole - which is how a lot of people think shows should be discussed. (David Simon for example)
It'll be like a book now, instead of other TV shows. You know how some people like to discuss chapters of a book individually in book clubs? Well, with Netflix's new model, that's now become an option -- not a requirement.
I think that's exciting as hell.
Agreed 100%
Exactly. People will sign up for Netflix specifically because of new Arrested Development. Once people see the breadth of content that Netflix offers, there's a good chance they'll renew their subscription. The same thing happened with me, recently. I signed up for a short period because there were some shows that I wanted to catch up on, and after browsing for a while, my instant queue balooned to almost 500 movies/tv shows. I'm definitely renewing; not something that I had planned to do a month ago.
sans_pants
avec_pénis
now i really want a david simon or a milch show on netflix
Bobby Roberts
Banned
If every other television show I have access to on Netflix Instant is available in full seasons, for me to watch as I wish, how I wish, when I wish, why the hell would a new season of Arrested Development be any different? There's no reason to artificially spread out the release of the episodes.
They didn't do that with Lilyhammer, either.
Typically shows air on cable TV not all at once.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
This isn't cable TV. The game has changed.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
This isn't airing on Cable TV. It's airing on Netflix, where every other show available is available as a full season.
Again - what would be the reasoning for artificially delaying the release of the episodes when not a single television series (including Netflix's other in-house series) on the platform does that?
How would this endear the show to existing Netflix customers, or people who are subscribing to Netflix specifically FOR the show?
Im trying to wrap my head around at what you're getting at.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I'm confused by your confusion.
No one mentioned artificially spreading them out over a period of time. Thats what I was talking about.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Yeah they did. Like 10 posts previous to my response, at most.
From there RatskyWatsky, Tattooth & Tobor all made posts/responses, to which I joined in.
Fantastical said:
From there RatskyWatsky, Tattooth & Tobor all made posts/responses, to which I joined in.
No one that matters. (People involved in the show)
Simple answer: Its how the whole platform has worked to this point.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
This is a different platform though.
Bobby Roberts
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I'm talking to/with people IN THE THREAD.
Now, to further clarify: Are you agreeing with Fantastical that they should spread it out to maintain release schedules from previous seasons, or do you agree with those of us who say releasing the whole season all at once makes a hell of a lot more sense?
Nappuccino
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It seems like it would make financial sense to air the episodes over a period of time to prevent people from signing up for just one month and cancelling after they finish the last episode of the show they want.
It doesn't have to be artificial, just put each episode online when it is finished- like they do on TV (many times, the episode's final cut is finalized right before it airs)
It doesn't have to be artificial, just put each episode online when it is finished- like they do on TV (many times, the episode's final cut is finalized right before it airs)
Show has been built around a big chunk release.
I want as much AD as I can get.
Whole season at once.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
That's completely incompatible with Netflix's model though. What's preventing people from signing up for just one month and cancelling after they finish The West Wing? Fringe? Mad Men? The Walking Dead? Why doesn't Netflix release episodes of Breaking Bad once a week? Wouldn't that make more financial sense?
The answer is no. Netflix is going with this model because it makes the most sense for them. If they thought they would gain more subscribers/money from slowly dripping out episodes, they'd probably do it.
Bobby Roberts
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They're hoping to attract enough people to the trials that they get a substantial amount of people who stick around (ie, don't go and cancel their subscription).
Nappuccino
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Because those series are already established? If people just wanted those, they'd get the dvds. This is something new and exclusive. If they want it, they have to have netflix.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
And if they want to RE-watch it - they have to have Netflix.
Also, a lot of people get Netflix simply because they consider the 7.99 a month a hell of a lot cheaper than buying season sets of The West Wing, Battlestar, Angel, Law & Order, etc...
The number of people who sign up for the trial, watch Arrested Development once (even twice) and then bail out is likely going to be less than people who sign up for the trial and then just stick around. Netflix seems to be betting that the people they don't already have need some sort of cool little carrot in order to draw them to the service.
Also, a lot of people get Netflix simply because they consider the 7.99 a month a hell of a lot cheaper than buying season sets of The West Wing, Battlestar, Angel, Law & Order, etc...
The number of people who sign up for the trial, watch Arrested Development once (even twice) and then bail out is likely going to be less than people who sign up for the trial and then just stick around. Netflix seems to be betting that the people they don't already have need some sort of cool little carrot in order to draw them to the service.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
More and more people are abandoning physical media in favor of streaming. Tons of people have Netflix specifically so they can watch Mad Men or Breaking Bad or whatever. They're not gonna buy DVDs.
AD is new and exclusive and if they want to watch it they have to have Netflix. That's correct. Netflix is betting that once people see the wealth of content, they'll stick around even after AD has been consumed.
Nappuccino
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I guess I feel like most of the people who want to watch AD probably already have Netflix because of the above reason. Netflix is wanting to get new customers and whatever few they gain are holdouts who probably don't care about how cheap 7.99 a month is. If AD is the thing that finally breaks them and gets them on Netflix, they probably don't want Netflix.
This is all moot for me personally. I already have Netflix so it's win-win. I'm just thinking that, from Netflix's perspective, it would be wise to stretch newcomers out over a couple months to give them more time to experience netflix.
Bobby Roberts
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Well okay, but now we're not arguing the same thing anymore. If you think Arrested Development by itself doesn't have enough pull to get people to Netflix, why do you think artificially delaying episode releases would be enough to fool those people into laying down the 7.99 a month for the episodes that air after their trial period is up?
Nappuccino
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It's about getting people to use netflix multiple times- the more someone uses it (even if just to get to the same show) the more comfortable they are going to get with the whole program. Maybe they wouldn't think "what else is on this thing" at first because their whole motivation is to watch AD. But, a couple times in, they'll get curious about the different recommendations and open up an alice in wonderlandsian new world for themselves.
I'm basing this (partly) off of what I learned in class- it takes 16 exposures to a book, on average, to get someone to buy it. Obviously this number is different, but the more exposures someone is forced to have with netflix, the more likely it is someone is going to be more willing to give the rest of it a shot.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Gotcha. And that makes sense, I just don't see how artificially delaying episode releases is a better means of doing that as opposed to say, episodes of shows (or movies) from other, highly acclaimed sources. As in "well, we got you on the trial period. You're here for Arrested Development. And you're GOING to look around. Well, here's this and this and this and this and..."
The Netflix interface is going to make it hard to just skip past EVERYTHING and go straight to Arrested Development. You're going to HAVE to go past stuff like West Wing, True Grit, Supernatural, Breaking Bad, etc. I know they did the same thing with Lilyhammer - if you wanted to watch that show, you had to scroll past the new releases about 8 or 9 titles deep before you got to it.
The idea being "well, shit, since I've got access to it...and I've been meaning to check it out..."
Nappuccino
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Well, what they're doing now is artificially delaying the episodes so they can release them at once
If they weren't, they would release the episodes as they were finished and then move on to the next episode. Granted, they might have a new post-production style because of how Netflix wants to do all the episodes at once, so maybe none of the episodes are finished yet (or maybe they're making late game changes since apparently there are episodes that feature the same scenes from different perspectives- a change to one ep might require a change to 3 or 4 eps) . . . so this is just me going on what I know about tv production on a general level (i.e. Community/Office etc. commentaries and interviews with writers.)
Bobby Roberts
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Well, what they're doing now is artificially delaying the episodes so they can release them at once
If they weren't, they would release the episodes as they were finished and then move on to the next episode. Granted, they might have a new post-production style because of how Netflix wants to do all the episodes at once, so maybe none of the episodes are finished yet (or maybe they're making late game changes since apparently there are episodes that feature the same scenes from different perspectives- a change to one ep might require a change to 3 or 4 eps) . . . so this is just me going on what I know about tv production on a general level (i.e. Community/Office etc. commentaries and interviews with writers.)
The only problem there is that they have to hear about it from audience if there are post-production delays, or reshoots that prolong an episodes release - which defeats the purpose of there being a schedule if you don't know exactly WHEN you're going to be getting your new episode.
WordAssassin
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Do we have any info on a DVD release for Season 4? I imagine there will be, as the other Netflix-only shows (Party Down, Lilyhammer) also got DVDs, right?
Bobby Roberts
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Party Down was Starz, not Netflix. (most people I know watched it on Netflix, though)
Nappuccino
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Yeah - delays definitely wouldn't make anyone happy.
Also, I imagine Fox would still be in charge of the DVDs? They probably have an agreement about when the DVDs can come out (I'd be surprised if it were less than a year after premiering on Netflix).
As mentioned above, Party Down wasn't Netflix. Lilyhammer, which is, hasn't seen a DVD release in the US. It has one in the UK, but that's it. It would not be surprising if, as mentioned above, part of Netflix' agreement with the companies they partner with to produce series is that DVDs cannot be released in the US for X amount of time.
WordAssassin
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Oh shit I totally thought Party Down was a Netflix show.
Aaaagghhh!!
I have Netflix and its great and all but I want a physical copy too ;___;
Aaaagghhh!!
I have Netflix and its great and all but I want a physical copy too ;___;
IAmtheFMan
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I put this in another thread, but figure this is probably the best thread to re-post it myself:
To all the old posters... Do you guys remember?
- Do you remember the weekly AD threads made for every single episode?
- The optimism that "oh this show won some Emmy's so of course the ratings will pick up!"
- Fox jerking the show around from Sundays, to Mondays then Fridays?
- Mike Works giving people free tags just to WATCH an episode?
- Fox cutting the 2nd season down from 22 to 18 episodes and the fear that this was the end?
- The grass-roots campaign from the-op and other fansites to save the show (I still have my Save our Bluths banana)
- The jubilation of the 3rd season being picked up for 22 episodes?
- The off-season proselytizing to anyone and everyone that would listen to, for the love of God, WATCH THE SHOW?
- The realization that Fox wasn't showing the 3rd season during November sweeps and... the writing was on the wall?
- The shock of the 3rd season getting cut from 22 to 13 episodes and realizing, yes indeed this was the end?
- And finally... the small glimmer hope that Ron Howard's final words of the show (Maybe a movie...) may one day be realized?
Guys, that was EIGHT years ago. I still can't believe that my favorite show ever is coming back, and I feel nothing but joy that it's found such an audience through the years. Seriously, I NEVER thought something like this would happen and honestly, I still can't believe that in 4 short months, I'll have new episodes to watch.
To all the old posters... Do you guys remember?
- Do you remember the weekly AD threads made for every single episode?
- The optimism that "oh this show won some Emmy's so of course the ratings will pick up!"
- Fox jerking the show around from Sundays, to Mondays then Fridays?
- Mike Works giving people free tags just to WATCH an episode?
- Fox cutting the 2nd season down from 22 to 18 episodes and the fear that this was the end?
- The grass-roots campaign from the-op and other fansites to save the show (I still have my Save our Bluths banana)
- The jubilation of the 3rd season being picked up for 22 episodes?
- The off-season proselytizing to anyone and everyone that would listen to, for the love of God, WATCH THE SHOW?
- The realization that Fox wasn't showing the 3rd season during November sweeps and... the writing was on the wall?
- The shock of the 3rd season getting cut from 22 to 13 episodes and realizing, yes indeed this was the end?
- And finally... the small glimmer hope that Ron Howard's final words of the show (Maybe a movie...) may one day be realized?
Guys, that was EIGHT years ago. I still can't believe that my favorite show ever is coming back, and I feel nothing but joy that it's found such an audience through the years. Seriously, I NEVER thought something like this would happen and honestly, I still can't believe that in 4 short months, I'll have new episodes to watch.
So an announcement for Netflix Canada is inevitable, agreed? I've got access to US Netflix anyhow.
Pretty incredible. I've watched the series several times in those eight years and converted a good amount of people. Probably due for another rewatch.
FantasticMrFoxdie
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THE TEARS ARE COMING
VGChampion
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Didn't Party Down come out once a week in line with it's television release?
well yeah, but like you said it was airing on television before that. people who have begun the show since have just watched all of it.
pretty sure if the single only thing you were planning on watching, regardless of subscription length, was AD then they're still making good money off you for just one month.
First month is free.
The library is amazing, though. I think subscriptions will go up a fair bit because of AD. Increasing awareness is what Netflix is after.
apocalidiot
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Is the movie still happening?
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