wesleyshark
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Andrew House confirmed that the pro won't support uhd bluray discs so why would the OG?
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Ars Techniica: Sony will wake a sleeping HDR beast via firmware. Rigby mentioned!
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marlowesghost
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Its actually really easy to find good answers.
Here is one, for instance: https://twitter.com/Rob_Crossley_/status/773616813959745536
He guesses in the OP of his thread that the HDMI ports are far more capable than what they lead on to be, he was right on the sense that HDR wouldn't be possible to patch in on 1.4 HDMI controllers.
sixteen-bit
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shoutouts to jeff
Thing is, for games, there will be true native 4K.
A Smite dev said on reddit that he is running Smite at native 4k/60fps on a Pro dev kit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/51n52n/ps4_pro_announced_399111016/d7dathb
Oppo
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Yeah, thanks for that.
Listen I think it's reasonable to not ever expect the drives to get a UHD update, for lots of reasons, I just don't think the idea that it was possible a long, long way from probable was outlandish, that's all.
Khalifa Jayy
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Rigby ain't no Oracle.
I miss CBOAT guys.
I miss CBOAT guys.
Spoilers!
Audioboxer
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Has Rigby posted yet? He's the kind of bloke that ignores the recognition and his first post since making it big again ends up some 3,000 word jargon based essay, not a "told you so, lol I win".
DJ Lushious
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Will be interesting to see how Sony is doing HDR on PS4 with a firmware update. True HDR requires HDMI 2.0 hardware. PS4 has a Panasonic MN86471A HDMI transmitter. Which is a HDMI 1.4 chip. HDMI 1.4 has some increase color gamut capabilities, but real HDR requires specific hardware and software. Interesting note there are no 1080p HDR tvs. All the more curious why Sony didn't include 4K upscaling capabilities in the new PS4 slim since those sets are where you will find HDR.
It's an on/off sort of thing for HDR on TV's. I'm not entirely sure you can trick a TV into doing HDR. There are some TV's that have a faux HDR mode, but that's something different. We'll know for sure next week I guess.
Also, just because most games won't run native 4K doesn't mean that the Pro isn't capable of running native 4k.
Colonel Nasty
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Wow at no Dolby vision support either
marlowesghost
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I don't want to harp on this but it's not the same drive. It can't be updated to read 4K discs, anymore than your dvd drive can be updated to read blu Ray. Multiple people on the engineering side of both companies have said this, and it's been well documented in the infamous UHD consoles shipped in 2013 thread. Which they didn't. This is why this conspiracy propagates. It was an outlandish notion, absolutely.
Doesn't Dolby Vision require licensed Dolby Vision hardware in the player(console) and the Tv?
wesleyshark
Banned
Quite outlandish. It's just not possible.
No. The people from The article just has no clue and want to generate some clicks
This is my fear, that they are calling Dolby Vision "HDR" and calling it a day. HDR10, which is the more popular standard is 2.0a only.
LegendOfFalcon
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HDR10 requires updated metadata and deep color (10 bpp). I wouldn't be surprised if the original PS4's hdmi controller was updated to support hdmi 2.0a metadata, but can only output at 1.4b resolution rates.
Smite isn't so demanding. But Rise of The Tomb Raider gained a 4kpr and everything is fine. But the thing is:not native will be present more than people think.
gotta pay dolby those fees if you want it, whereas HDR-10 is open.
Concerning all the Jeff talk:
Jeff was talking about the consoles shipping with UHD Bluray, this is incorrect. he said the HDMI could be upgraded via firmware which was correct, though Sony had done this before. He also said the drives themselves could be firmware upgraded to support UHD BD, this is incorrect still. he also said PS4 was capable of outputting UHD resolution, which was true from day one thanks to Play Memories, many people forget about this, Jeff included. In order to play UHD Media like movies from a UHD Bluray the HDCP would also need to be updated and this may be a hardware limitation. will have to wait and see on this point still.
wesleyshark
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It can't. And it won't.
marlowesghost
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Well it won't. Because the optical drive is wrong. Does anyone read anymore? Have you no reason left, ye GAF?
Oppo
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I don't know about this. I find lots of conflicting info that states 2.0 is the baseline.
Ok, fair enough! I have no dog in this fight personally, I'll never buy a UHD, but thanks for the update.
franklyshankly
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Ironically my Sony TV only supports HDR 10. So if ps4 only does Dolby vision via the firmware update I get nothing out of it.
wesleyshark
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Andrew House isn't an official enough source for GAF
Memorabilia
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I got a good laugh out of this, thanks OP.
Side Note: Has Jeff posted since the Neo/Pro reveal yesterday? People were joking in one of the other threads about him being on "Suicide Watch" Re: the "Pro has no UHD player" problem. Lol But, joking aside, I'm actually curious to read some of his thoughts on Sony's decision....
Side Note: Has Jeff posted since the Neo/Pro reveal yesterday? People were joking in one of the other threads about him being on "Suicide Watch" Re: the "Pro has no UHD player" problem. Lol But, joking aside, I'm actually curious to read some of his thoughts on Sony's decision....
Dolby Vision supports up to 12bit color whereas HDR-10 only supports 10bit.
Dolby Vision is the Pro/Cinema HDR Standard, they want to be the THX of visuals.
HDR-10 is opensource HDR standard, which means it's cheap for manufacturers, but they'll still charge you an arm and a leg for.
you need more than an updated HDMI to support that.
if something supports Dolby Vision it also supports HDR-10.
Thanks for the concise breakdown.
marlowesghost
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https://www.theguardian.com/technol...o-our-approach-isnt-reactive-this-time-around
He says it in the second paragraph, quoting just for interest sake since no one will read it. It does say a lot about the problematic messaging going forward tho if here, on a dedicated games forum, many people cannot tell the difference between UHD and HDR, and either think they are the same or interchangeable. What will the average consumer think?
BRocknRolla
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Oof...
I sure hope this isn't a genuine statement.
If it is, GAF has a long way to go to understanding 4k and HDR.
These two things aren't even related.
I don't believe that's possible. Dolby requires proprietary hardware to decode and use. Sony certainly didn't build that into the PS4. Perhaps it's possible to somehow get the PS4 to pull the Dolby code and give it to the TV which can then translate and use it appropriately, but I doubt it (Or at the very least, and I cannot imagine them doing it).
wesleyshark
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I don't think anyone could have predicted that haha
franklyshankly
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I must be missing something then. If HDR 10 requires HDMI 2.0a, how could HDMI 1.4 Dolby vision support that?
metareferential
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Tales from Rigby's Ars.
Hydrargyrus
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Our saviour Rigby
wesleyshark
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/dead
Nobody knows anymore. He became digital.
Spiral Insanity
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We need to stop bullying Jeff.