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[Deku]

This is like being in the middle of a war and asking what the outcome might be. Too much crap and fog of war in play.

The 'Nintendo is stepping aside to let 3rd parties find their space' argument seems like a convenient apologia to a very weak E3 showing from E3, but I have to admit it holds some sway because 3rd parties have been doing rather well on Nintendo platforms for several years now.

Also, taken together, the non-E3 3rd party announcements that Nintendo somehow failed to include in their presentation does paint a very strong picture for their offerings and lastly, the 3rd party presence on the show floor with titles for the Wii and DS is pretty strong. Of course this doesn't get reported on and goes into the 'impression' section of specialist sites.

 

[Danthrax]

To tell the truth, the most telling part of Nintendo's conference was the speaches & bar graphs to me. In a way, Nintendo is sorta stepping out of the way and letting some 3RD parties step in which is what a lot of 3RD parties have complained about all these years in regards to Nintendo platforms...

Yeah, I agree that Nintendo's weak offerings seem to open the door wide open for 3rd parties. It's a door that has opened a crack already, as evidenced by Nintendo's graphs showing decent 3rd-party sales.

Who knows? Maybe Nintendo went behind closed doors to tell 3rd parties that it would take a step back from the limelight this year and let them sell some games. Maybe they're finally treating 3rd parties better than they traditionally have.

 

[schuelma]

Wow, RE4 sold over 500 THOUSAND copies:

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3168849



As Nakai puts it, Zombie Sacrifice came about following the success of Resident Evil 4's Wii port, which sold over half a million copies in the U.S. despite being only slightly enhanced from the GameCube original

 

[freddy]

I wonder if the western developers are up to it or not. I mean its ok to have flashy graphics and all but can they cope with delivering a fun game with the motion sensing controllers? Is graphical prowess all they have to offer? Let's see what you have fellas.

 

[Sadist]

1) RE4
2) Mario & Sonic
3) GH3
4) Carnival Games
5) Sonic and the Secret Rings
6) Rayman Raving Rabbids
7) Rayman: RR2
8) RE:UC
9) My Sims
10) Red Steel
11) Game Party
12) High School Musical
13) Cooking Mama
14) Tiger Woods 07
15) Madden 07
16) Lego Star Wars
17) Smarty Pants
18) Madden 08
19) WWE Smackdown (?)

But in all fairness, I don't know about this article. Seems very simple.

A shift from what? Certainly not the 360 and PS3.

Bigger budgets available for Wii projects maybe?

 

[kbear]

The state is still pretty bad, but you can't deny there is a little shift going on here.

A shift from what? Certainly not the 360 and PS3.

 

[JaMarco]

Fatal Frame IV
Rune Factory
Wario Shake
Tenchu 4
Little King's Story
MadWorld
Monster Hunter 3
Oboro Muramasa Youtuden (?)
Crystal Bearers (?)
Shiren 3

These will all be bought by me, never mind games announced after E3!

Sky Crawlers?

 

[ThatObviousUser]

This is exactly what I've been saying.

 

[Classic_Gs]

Above 400,000 :lol. Reaching for straws there Nintendo when the 360 has many multi million selling third party software such as Assassin's Creed, BioShock, COD4, GTA4, Madden etc.

Are third parties selling better sure, but no where near as successful as on the 360, and Nintendo still (and always will) dominate their own platforms.

 

[-WindYoshi-]

Sky Crawlers?

Oh yeah! That's the flight game by the Ace Combat team right?
Forgot about that one. Looks promising.

See, this is what I mean. (Japanese) Third party support on the Wii has really stepped up a bit in the past few months... it's very similar to how the DS progressed third party wise over it's first few years (Wii is in month 19). I guess we can consider WiiMotion+ to Wii, as Lite was to DS: it's reinvention period.

Just look up pictures, scans, and videos of games on this list and you will see what I mean.

Fatal Frame IV
Rune Factory
Wario Shake
Tenchu 4
Sky Crawlers
Little King's Story
MadWorld
Monster Hunter 3
Oboro Muramasa Youtuden (?)
Crystal Bearers (?)
Arc Rise Fantasia
Shiren 3

and you know, I could have put a game like Castlevania Judgment here but I didn't, these are all games that get my personal seal of approval as definite good games. It's also not counting games revealed after E3, like Dead Rising.

 

[Digital-Hero]

I don't like Nintendo or Microsoft much but Mattrick is right. I cannot even count the amount of 360 titles that have sold over a million. Call of Duty on 360 sold over 5 million units. Let's see, 5,000,000 vs 400,000. Hmmmm.. :lol

 

[yoopoo]

I don't like Nintendo or Microsoft much but Mattrick is right. I cannot even count the amount of 360 titles that have sold over a million. Call of Duty on 360 sold over 5 million units. Let's see, 5,000,000 vs 400,000. Hmmmm.. :lol

Which 3rd pary titles you think deserve to sell a million on Wii?

Can't be CoD 4, AC or GTA obviously.

 

[Opiate]

In regards to the major third party publishers, I think the optimal situation Nintendo fans should hope for is about what Activision is doing.

They're bringing all their major traditional franchises over to the Wii: those being Call of Duty, Tony Hawk, Guitar Hero, Spiderman (this is a major franchise) and James Bond (the newest iteration being Quantum of Solace).

On top of that, they're brining the "Wee First" casual line. 95% of titles released under these types of brands (EA, Ubisoft and Activision all have them now) won't appeal to enthusiast gamers, but I expect the occassional Kororinpa / Bloom Blox / Zack and Wiki to emerge that manages to excite.

The one thing I expect to stay on PS3/360 -- and probably the games that PS3/360 gamers care most about -- are the "epic blockbuster" exclusives like Final Fantasy, Bioshock, Gears of War and Metal Gear Solid.

 

[botticus]

In regards to the major third party publishers, I think the optimal situation Nintendo fans should hope for is about what Activision is doing.

They're bringing all their major traditional franchises over to the Wii: those being Call of Duty, Tony Hawk, Guitar Hero, Spiderman (this is a major franchise) and James Bond (the newest iteration being Quantum of Solace).

On top of that, they're brining the "Wee First" casual line. 95% of titles released under these types of brands (EA, Ubisoft and Activision all have them now) won't appeal to enthusiast gamers, but I expect the occassional Kororinpa / Bloom Blox / Zack and Wiki to emerge that manages to excite.

The one thing I expect to stay on PS3/360 -- and probably the games that PS3/360 gamers care most about -- are the "epic blockbuster" exclusives like Final Fantasy, Bioshock, Gears of War and Metal Gear Solid.

I have a feeling that Boom Blox and Z&W are going to be far beyond the wildest imagination of anything that results from the "Wee First" software line. So no, that's not exactly optimal. Optimal would be every "casual" game being on par with those two games.

That's if we're now equating potentially frustratingly hard adventure puzzle games with "casual" games. Fuck this generation.

 

[brain_stew]

Both the quantity and quality of support is increasing. There's been no monumental shift but a steady and rapidly increasing flow towards Wii development.

 

[Captain Smoker]

Above 400,000 :lol. Reaching for straws there Nintendo when the 360 has many multi million selling third party software such as Assassin's Creed, BioShock, COD4, GTA4, Madden etc.

Are third parties selling better sure, but no where near as successful as on the 360, and Nintendo still (and always will) dominate their own platforms.

You know that the 360 is one year longer @ market?

And do you know, that 3rd Parties sold more units on Wii than on 360 in the same time period [first 18 months or something like this]?


No?

 

[SecretDestroyer]

So what are the 19 games?

Lets try to list them:

1)RE4
2)Mario & Sonic (Technically it was Sega who published this)
3)GH3
4)Carnival Games (?)
5)Sonic and the Secret Rings
6)Rayman Raving Rabbids
7)Rayman: RR2
8)RE:UC
9)My Sims
10)Red Steel
11)Game Party
12)High School Musical (?)
13)Cooking Mama (?)
14)
15)
16)
17)
18)
19)

Monkey Ball should be over 400,000 WW
Trauma Center as well

 

[Captain Smoker]

Monkey Ball should be over 400,000 WW
Trauma Center as well

That´s just for the USA.

 

[Opiate]

I have a feeling that Boom Blox and Z&W are going to be far beyond the wildest imagination of anything that results from the "Wee First" software line. So no, that's not exactly optimal. Optimal would be every "casual" game being on par with those two games.

I don't think what you're describing is as much "optimal" as it is "fantastical."

 

[Vinci]

Above 400,000 :lol. Reaching for straws there Nintendo when the 360 has many multi million selling third party software such as Assassin's Creed, BioShock, COD4, GTA4, Madden etc.

Are third parties selling better sure, but no where near as successful as on the 360, and Nintendo still (and always will) dominate their own platforms.

I liked your delivery on this post. You sounded knowledgeable whilst being totally wrong, and it's endeared you to me. Keep it up. I shall visit your every post for similar catastrophes of logic.

 

[botticus]

I don't think what you're describing is as much "optimal" as it is "fantastical."

I'm an optimist!

 

[schuelma]

Above 400,000 :lol. Reaching for straws there Nintendo when the 360 has many multi million selling third party software such as Assassin's Creed, BioShock, COD4, GTA4, Madden etc.

Are third parties selling better sure, but no where near as successful as on the 360, and Nintendo still (and always will) dominate their own platforms.

This is true. Big budget heavily marketed 3rd party games do extremely well on the 360.

I've yet to see a single one of these appear on the Wii.

 

[Vagabundo]

However, French publisher Ubisoft Entertainment, an early believer in the Wii, is currently one of the top third parties on the console after committing to significant Wii development more than three years ago.

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[ksamedi]

This is true. Big budget heavily marketed 3rd party games do extremely well on the 360.

I've yet to see a single one of these appear on the Wii.

The only one that did appear (GH3) sold millions! And is the best selling version.

 

[Vinci]

This is true. Big budget heavily marketed 3rd party games do extremely well on the 360.

I've yet to see a single one of these appear on the Wii.

Dude, No More Heroes. Pfft. If that game can't sell on the Wii, what can?

Spoiler

Yes, I'm doing this intentionally.

 

[polyh3dron]

No, Patcher.. There's a base of about 1 or 2 million who will buy your game max.

For many the Wii is a Wii Sports and Wii Fit machine. (Oh yeah and Wii Play for the extra controller)

 

[No6]

You know that the 360 is one year longer @ market?

And do you know, that 3rd Parties sold more units on Wii than on 360 in the same time period [first 18 months or something like this]?


No?

Ok, since apparently you have access to the full NPD charts, please inform us how many titles were on the market during both periods, the mean and median sales for 3rd parties, which genres showed positive trends, and sort them by publisher so we can tell who is and isn't effectively excluded from Japan.

The only one that did appear (GH3) sold millions! And is the best selling version.

Prove that GH3 Wii is the best selling version. Don't forget the PS2.

 

[JaMarco]

Prove that GH3 Wii is the best selling version.

Its common knowledge that it is the best selling version. It still even reaches on the top 10 of NPD numbers.

Spoiler

I think

 

[Vinci]

No, Patcher.. There's a base of about 1 or 2 million who will buy your game max.

For many the Wii is a Wii Sports and Wii Fit machine. (Oh yeah and Wii Play for the extra controller)

Funny how the numbers don't suggest that at all, isn't it? Its tie-ratio isn't exactly shit, even after removing Wii Sports (a pack-in) and Wii Play.

 

[Danthrax]

Prove that GH3 Wii is the best selling version. Don't forget the PS2.

Nintendo fucking said so in their conference two days ago. Way to pay attention.

 

[kame-sennin]

Prove that GH3 Wii is the best selling version. Don't forget the PS2.

u mad?

 

[polyh3dron]

Funny how the numbers don't suggest that at all, isn't it? Its tie-ratio isn't exactly shit, even after removing Wii Sports (a pack-in) and Wii Play.

Compared to the 360's tie ratio, shit would be embarrassed to be mentioned in the same sentence as the Wii's tie ratio excluding Wii Play.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Games that publishers began working on after the Wii's sudden success are just now being brought to market, Fils-Aime said, meaning the third party sales momentum will only continue to increase.

Where are they? We've been hearing this story for since E3 2006. It's going to take more than highlighting another Call of Duty, a Star Wars multiconsole title*, and another Rayman-game-that-really-isn't-Rayman to convince people that this mythical support exists. The third party games that succeed on the Wii are more of an after effect of being the number one gaming console. IE cheap, quick games aimed at the youth demographic. It happened with the PS1 and PS2 and it's happening now. But unlike those systems I've yet to see any huge third party titles on the Wii

*If you think Clone Wars is going to stay exclusive to the Wii/DS I have some land to sell you.

 

[Vinci]

Compared to the 360's tie ratio, shit would be embarrassed to be mentioned in the same sentence as the Wii's tie ratio excluding Wii Play.

There wasn't that huge of a difference, especially not for having a year lead and every 3rd party practically salivating over the machine.

 

[Anasui Kishibe]

I'd take Gamecube's lack of third parties but pretty awesome list of incredible games over Wii's zomg third party galore but pretty scarce AAA games any day of the week

I know they will come, but we have to wait a lot longer

 

[Weisheit]

Compared to the 360's tie ratio, shit would be embarrassed to be mentioned in the same sentence as the Wii's tie ratio excluding Wii Play.

No one gives a shit about tie ratios (save butt hurt fanboys).

 

[Linkup]

Where are they?

You guys should have learn to stop waiting last E3. You got the Japanese devs and that's it as far as the games gamers are looking for on the wii. Oh and a rare title out of NA or Europe every now and then.

 

[PistolGrip]

no LOL on the title, this thread fails

 

[mentalfloss]

Just for comparison's sake, how many 3rd party games have sold over 400,000 units on 360/PS3?

 

[°°ToMmY°°]

However, French publisher Ubisoft Entertainment, an early believer in the Wii, is currently one of the top third parties on the console after committing to significant Wii development more than three years ago.

While Ubisoft was one of the first to see the potential, competitors like Electronic Arts Inc are quickly closing the gap.

this can't be quoted enough.

 

[PhoenixDark]

You guys should have learn to stop waiting last E3. You got the Japanese devs and that's it as far as the games gamers are looking for on the wii. Oh and a rare title out of NA or Europe every now and then.

I'm not waiting for anything; Nintendo lost me awhile ago. I just find it odd that every year stories like this pop up, and no results follow. I'm not convinced western developers are interested in the console, and even Japanese developers like Capcom seem more interested in giving the console ports and spin offs than anything new.

 

[Weisheit]

Oh yeah! That's the flight game by the Ace Combat team right?
Forgot about that one. Looks promising.

See, this is what I mean. (Japanese) Third party support on the Wii has really stepped up a bit in the past few months... it's very similar to how the DS progressed third party wise over it's first few years (Wii is in month 19). I guess we can consider WiiMotion+ to Wii, as Lite was to DS: it's reinvention period.

Just look up pictures, scans, and videos of games on this list and you will see what I mean.

Fatal Frame IV
Rune Factory
Wario Shake
Tenchu 4
Sky Crawlers
Little King's Story
MadWorld
Monster Hunter 3
Oboro Muramasa Youtuden (?)
Crystal Bearers (?)
Arc Rise Fantasia
Shiren 3

and you know, I could have put a game like Castlevania Judgment here but I didn't, these are all games that get my personal seal of approval as definite good games. It's also not counting games revealed after E3, like Dead Rising.

Also:

Samba de Amigo Wii
Tecmo Bowl Wii
Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World
Fragile
Sword of Legendia (I'm assuming this will be '09)
Tales Mothership '09

Some western games:

De blob
Mushroom Men
Deadly Creatures
Monster lab
Skate it
Sim City Wii

In conclusion, it seems gaf simply likes to bitch and moan a lot.

 

[onipex]

Compared to the 360's tie ratio, shit would be embarrassed to be mentioned in the same sentence as the Wii's tie ratio excluding Wii Play.

It’s easy to have a bigger tie ratio when you sell fewer systems. The PS3 has a lower tie ratio because it sells less software too.

 

[-WindYoshi-]

Also:

Samba de Amigo Wii
Tecmo Bowl Wii
Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World
Fragile
Sword of Legendia (I'm assuming this will be '09)
Tales Mothership '09

Some western games:

De blob
Mushroom Men
Deadly Creatures
Monster lab
Skate it
Sim City Wii

In conclusion, it seems gaf simply likes to bitch and moan a lot.

Wow, can't believe I totally forgot to mention Fragile!
Definitely one of my most anticipated titles based on it's premise and artistic direction. Music direction is perfect as well.

 

[Vinci]

Guys, guys. You're doing list wars for people that don't really care. Don't waste your time.

 

[markatisu]

Japanese developers like Capcom seem more interested in giving the console ports and spin offs than anything new.

Well thats because they like money and lots of it , from a business standpoint that is fantastic as you spend jack squat on development and just sit back while money comes in (I mean christ REUC sold more than 100k in Japan, that game could not have cost that much to make reusing a lot of assets from the PS2 gun games)

Someone should do an article about what third parties actually MAKE on each platform when you compare budgets and advertising. I cannot imagine a PS3 game selling 400k turns a profit vs a Wii game that sells 400k, not that it means a whole lot just think it would be an interesting contrast to the pissing contest of who can sell more games.

 

[Vinci]

IJapanese developers like Capcom seem more interested in giving the console ports and spin offs than anything new.

Wait. I thought everyone said that the Wii's success would be bad for 3rd parties. Now I'm hearing this? But I thought the Wii wasn't profitable for anyone but Nintendo, so why would Capcom even bother? Especially with ports and spin-offs?

Think of it like this: Capcom, et al, placed their bets on where this generation would go and screwed up, putting all their R&D into HD and 360 and PS3 asset development. Then when the Wii kicked their asses left, right, and center, Capcom hit the panic button and just wanted to get something ... on the system ... now. Is that likely, you think?

 

[Captain Smoker]

Ok, since apparently you have access to the full NPD charts, please inform us how many titles were on the market during both periods, the mean and median sales for 3rd parties, which genres showed positive trends, and sort them by publisher so we can tell who is and isn't effectively excluded from Japan.

Can´t post any NPD data here, sorry.


Anyway, it´s the truth.

 

[VanMardigan]

Guys, guys. You're doing list wars for people that don't really care. Don't waste your time.

Mostly because the lists are pathetic, for the most part. Tons of titles that are borderline shovelware. That's not Nintendo's fault. Actually, it is, cause those lists would look infinitely better with Nintendo games.

 

[ivysaur12]

Wii games don't need to sell as much as HD games because they cost less to make.

Still, I'm interested in what those 19 games are.