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[Shits_McGiggles]

While we are still years away from the final game, generally at this point in development, the primary elements of gameplay are set in stone such as the camera positioning and the basic combat concepts. GOW 2018 for example, even though there were some minor variations in the combat mechanics, the basic concepts and the camera perspective were the same throughout development judging by the prototype footage.



There is enough footage in the leaks to see that Insomniac's Wolverine game takes very heavy influence from God of War 2018 with the third person camera more fitting for a third-person shooter game, and honestly I'm not excited at the idea of Insomniac going in such a direction. The gameplay in God of War 2018 and Ragnarok felt clunky compared to the original God of War series, with concessions that were counter-intuitive to the "immersion" God of War 2018 was trying to achieve such as the circle light indicator (and the companion warning Kratos of an off-screen attack) rather than being able to see the enemy prepare the attack all because of how little the player is able to see the enemies around them. How "deep" the gameplay is in GOW 2018 is debatable, but I don't really see a valid argument for why the camera shouldn't have been further back like in other games such as Devil May Cry or the X-Men Origins Wolverine game outside of the "cinematic presentation" which I think defeats the purpose of a game. Communicating brutality and power can be just as well through brief close-ups when needed as well as other techniques.

I was worried that Insomniac would just use the Spider-Man combat for Wolverine, and the idea of them applying the third-person perspective like in GOW 2018 is not something I was expecting. Perhaps I have been too infatuated with the idea of going back to the gameplay reminiscent of X-men Origins Wolverine, but the GOW 2018 style just seems disappointing and I can already imagine how clunky the perspective is going to make Wolverine PS5 feel. I really hope Insomniac changes their mind on the camera perspective and allows for a more pulled-back camera, but I fully expect them to go full steam ahead on this decision of keeping the third-person shooter camera perspective when playing as Wolverine.

 

[iHaunter]

As of right now the leaks mean absolutely nothing as the game is still pre-alpha.

 

[simpatico]

Both titles (Wolv and GoW) seem to be really lacking in enemy variety. Which in a beat em up is pretty hard to overcome.

 

[semiconscious]

it's pretty obvious at this point that no one, except for the people who like the camera in the new god of war, likes the camera in the new god of war...

 

[Bernardougf]

I would be more worried about the mentality in place at Insomniac fucking up this game .. after what I heard from SM2 and the recent inclusivity focus leak ... things are not very promising right now.. hope something changes

 

[Cornbread78]

Lol, the game wasn't even close to being finished yet.....

 

[WorldHero]

I prefer the close camera angle. Wolverine by default uses close combat so it makes sense to have a closer viewpoint imo

 

[Mister Wolf]

I hate it too.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

It's going to be similar for the most part.

Both games are heaviliy focused on close range combat.. And both Kratos and Wolverine arent exactly methodical jiujitsu or taekwondo fighters. Both heroes are angry mash and splash attackers.

 

[yurinka]

I love how the camera is in both GoW and Wolverin. Nothing wrong with it.

 

[Kdad]

I just sit further back from my TV

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

15 million lifetime sales.

NEXT!

 

[Gojiira]

Nah, DMC style camera works because of the way combat is handled, personally I dont want Wolverine to feel like Dante or Raiden moving at blinding speeds and juggling enemies its just stupid.
He’s heavy, strong,brutal, the camera being up close will hopefully convey these things if the animations and combat work towards this. Its way to early to tell if they will pull this off but Insomniac have a good track record so we’ll see.

 

[AJUMP23]

Single player tent pole game will be marketed and sell well. Very popular character too. I assume Batman style combat.

 

[Pimpbaa]

I’m fine with the gameplay being similar to krato’s combat in GOW 2018 and its sequel. But If I have to take care of a child that complains all the time I’m gonna flip a table or something.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Single player tent pole game will be marketed and sell well. Very popular character too. I assume Batman style combat.

Why would you assume Batman style combat with that camera?

 

[Elder Legend]

Yes, judge a game that's still years out based on unfinished pre alpha game development build. That is 100% how the final product and the game will ship. GG, it's all over now for Wolverine /s

 

[Shakka43]

Gameplay is the least of my concerns, Insomniac has shown for many years that they are very good at putting a fun and competent gameplay loop together. The story and missions' structure on the other hand...

 

[M.W.]

Such a shitty FOV.

 

[JayK47]

The camera is the least of the concerns for this game. I have zero interest in it considering who is making it. It will be a good looking game with so much agenda being shoved down your throat, you will strain yourself from all the cringe.

 

[poodaddy]

Gameplay is the least of my concerns, Insomniac has shown for many years that they are very good at putting a fun and competent gameplay loop together. The story and missions' structure on the other hand...

This and the writing. Based on the leaks and what we know about this company's values, not to mention how cringey some of the writing was in Spoders 2, to say I'm worried would be an understatement.

 

[AJUMP23]

Why would you assume Batman style combat with that camera?

I think it makes sense for the character. It could be more like Spider-Man but with slightly less mobility.

 

[CGNoire]

15 million lifetime sales.

NEXT!

SO FUCKING WHAT!
Comments like this make no sense.

 

[CGNoire]

Yes, judge a game that's still years out based on unfinished pre alpha game development build. That is 100% how the final product and the game will ship. GG, it's all over now for Wolverine /s

You didnt read the op since he clear as day addresses this.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

SO FUCKING WHAT!
Comments like this make no sense.

We have been infiltrated by corpos!

 

[Gamerguy84]

Yeah thanks for reminding me how much I love the style.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

this narrative is going to get stronger.

i have been aware of this inevitable outcome since 2017-2018. Hopefully sony has been taking action to course correct.

 

[Mythoclast]

Wish they wouldve kept the Xmen Origins camera and gameplay.

 

[IAmRei]

Or maybe better like xenoblade series? I find that "adjustable" camera on the go is the best feature ever imo

 

[Soodanim]

I'm currently playing through new GOW, and while I wouldn't mind a slightly higher FOV I do enjoy the camera and don't mind the warnings the NPCs give you.

As much as I enjoyed the original GOW camera, I don't think it would have worked for the way combat is in new GOW. Originally it was designed for mid-range sweeping attacks, but gameplay designed around an axe needs it to be closer. Not necessarily as close as it is, but definitely closer.

Whether or not that requirement translates to Wolverine depends on how agile and fluid they want the gameplay to be, but as it's Insomniac who like cinematic games I imagine they will stick with the closer style.

 

[Kadve]

As of right now the leaks mean absolutely nothing as the game is still pre-alpha.

This.

 

[cormack12]

Part of the design masks out of view enemies waiting to attack as well. Would look odd if they were just in a circle standing there (you can sometimes catch it in Ragnarok, especially in the trials).

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Problem is simple to solve with that camera.

Dont throw a barrage of enemies at player. Focus more on 1-2 enemies which are formidable enough.

but I suspect Insomniac wouldn’t have time to create something properly polished in gameplay department.

It will likely be busy in perfecting lip syncing.

 

[DavidGzz]

TLOU would be perfect. I want to see the gore up close.

 

[HawarMiran]

yeah you expected an isometric round-based game i guess

 

[bitbydeath]

Wish they wouldve kept the Xmen Origins camera and gameplay.

They could’ve easily, since that’s just the current Spider-man view. Guess they have their reasons to change it.

 

[Fredrik]

Looks like standard third person action but sure a zoomed out perspective is always better since you can see what’s going on around you.
But I think it’s what you would expect, devs care more about viceral close-up action today so they can add movie sequences when you break a neck and impale someone etc, they even add it to fighting games.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I would be more worried about the mentality in place at Insomniac fucking up this game .. after what I heard from SM2 and the recent inclusivity focus leak ... things are not very promising right now.. hope something changes

This feels like a “found something to keep bringing up like people used to shit TLoU threads with”.

What you “heard” (not played) about a game and focus studies that EVERY SINGLE medium to large dev is running (including Nintendo) because tons and tons of industry consultant are telling companies that Good standing DEI programs make them more efficient and richer (which is the snake oil they sell) on top of how it was spreading already.

Also, exaggerated as hiring consultants and travelling to learn more about what you are going to be depicting is not a weird practice and if you need a DEI course to make you see that well we had other problems .

———

I thought this post of yours was off topic, but I guess it was a difference of perspective (so it fits talking about the camera).

 

[Represent.]

One of these has actual impact, weight/meat and a viscerality to it. The other is a bunch of paperweight punches and flashes on screen. No meat, character feels weak and feminine.

You tell me which is which.

Spoiler

"Sick Skills!"

No thank you

 

[Panajev2001a]

but I suspect Insomniac wouldn’t have time to create something properly polished in gameplay department.

Aside from asking where the hope springs eternal attitude to games went, seems to be there in “other” threads , why would a game that has so much time left in production not have time to create something polished?

It will likely be busy in perfecting lip syncing.

How does this stack in priority with everything else lol? Since it will have cinematics and character interacting excuse them from not having a shitty experience there. There is time for them to have a polished all around package. Their history and reputation speak for themselves (despite puddlegate like BS storm in a teacup like scenarios).

You see how this eternally pessimistic or suspicious attitude with some topics and greener ones met with a hope springs eternal attitude (always an upside) plus a good dose of victim card playing does give astroturfing smell even beyond the one you would want to give out?

 

[Spitfire098]

God of war like?

 

[Mister Wolf]

One of these has actual impact, weight/meat and a viscerality to it. The other is a bunch of paperweight punches and flashes on screen. No meat, character feels weak and feminine.

You tell me which is which.

Spoiler

"Sick Skills!"

No thank you

SO MUCH WEIGHT:

 

[Hudo]

I guess that's good news for people who like Marvel stuff and are into GoW 2018.

 

[Kikorin]

I was expecting a Batman Arkham style of combat, more than a GoW one. Anyway, I hope it'll feels good and reactive at the end.

Expecting western devs to make something close to Bayonetta/DMC/Japanese action games in general is pointless because they'll never "sacrifice" animations and "cinematic experience" for a better combat feeling and gameplay. Also, probably they'll have no clue how to do it right, so better stick with what they are good at.

 

[MALpractice311]

I'm kind of in the middle on this topic. I enjoyed the combat system of GoW18. It's not the best combat in the gaming world, but it was decent. However, from the moment I started the game to the moment I finished it, I always felt too zoomed in on Kratos and would have enjoyed a wider FOV to see more of the environment and more of the enemies around me. I'm feeling the same way about the Wolverine leaks thus far.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Aside from asking where the hope springs eternal attitude to games went, seems to be there in “other” threads , why would a game that has so much time left in production not have time to create something polished?


How does this stack in priority with everything else lol? Since it will have cinematics and character interacting excuse them from not having a shitty experience there. There is time for them to have a polished all around package. Their history and reputation speak for themselves (despite puddlegate like BS storm in a teacup like scenarios).

You see how this eternally pessimistic or suspicious attitude with some topics and greener ones met with a hope springs eternal attitude (always an upside) plus a good dose of victim card playing does give astroturfing smell even beyond the one you would want to give out?

I don’t think we are looking for same thing. I always find haphazardly created open world or throwing mobs of enemies to be lack of polish.

If they want to keep camera that close, every encounter needs to be handcrafted with right number of enemies and so it always feels crunchy and great.

Instead I expect them to throw tons of fodder class enemies at you like they did in spiderman games. They have done that before hence scepticism.

But of course game is far off from release, maybe they will surprise.

 

[Bartski]

you know the camera could dynamically change perspectives depending on what's happening on screen?

 

[Yoboman]

DMC camera is ass, leave it in 2005

What is so different about these camera angles? Wolverine is using a mix of full length, mid length and extreme close up angles just like MGR

Dunno feels like you guys are just making things up not to like these days

 

[IAmRei]

This and the writing. Based on the leaks and what we know about this company's values, not to mention how cringey some of the writing was in Spoders 2, to say I'm worried would be an understatement.

Plus one for this, i'm one of logan fan, but seing the previous works, i'm afraid i will not like it, and i dont want to waste money for things that i will regret. Not day one for me, just like to wait and see situation.

 

[CGNoire]

I was expecting a Batman Arkham style of combat, more than a GoW one. Anyway, I hope it'll feels good and reactive at the end.

Expecting western devs to make something close to Bayonetta/DMC/Japanese action games in general is pointless because they'll never "sacrifice" animations and "cinematic experience" for a better combat feeling and gameplay. Also, probably they'll have no clue how to do it right, so better stick with what they are good at.

Ravensoft already did.