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Assassin's Creed 2 - Spoiler Thread (Discuss all plot and story here)

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Okay, this is a SPOILER TAG FREE zone. If you haven't finished the game, and completed The Truth puzzles, do not read unless you WANT to be spoiled. I'll start the ball rolling with various observations and discussion points.

So basically a long time ago, there was an advanced race on Earth which pre-dated humanity. They created the Pieces of Eden, and created mankind as a race in their image. They also trained the first assassins, Adam and Eve, who stole the Apple and escaped from "Eden" which was the ancient's city. Why did they steal the Apple, and what exactly was Eden? Was it just a city? Or a spaceship? I know they're trying really hard to say "there are no aliens", but... if they're not aliens where did they come from? Since they had to create humanity, it would imply that they had difficulty reproducing to sustain their race, maybe they're survivors from another world?

So they programmed a single bloodline to carry a certain message genetically to Desmond. How did this race know about the future? Altair mentioned that the Apple could show him visions of the future, and he saw what I assume to be 9/11, but how is that possible? If the future can be foretold, wouldn't that mean it cannot be changed? If it can, how would it work? You know what would be REALLY dumb/insane/awesome? If the ancient race are simply human survivors from the future who traveled to the past, and created humanity. Causing a closed loop of creation with no real source of origin. :lol

We can assume the Staff is destroyed right? It's implied that Tesla used his electric field technology to destroy it causing the Tunguska incident. Also, the golden fleece of legend is supposedly the "shroud" Piece of Eden, which was also what Jesus used right? If that's the case, it seems pretty powerful, where is it now? I believe Hitler also had a Piece of Eden, but if the assassins got him after he killed his double to create the suicide, does that mean the assassins have the piece now?

Did they kill JFK to steal the Piece of Eden used by all the American presidents since Washington, or did they simply kill him because he had a piece and wouldn't listen to the demands of the Templars? That would be really weird, because JFK is actually Catholic. Wouldn't that have made it easier? :lol

Okay, there are like 3 billion other questions but I'll leave it as that for now so we can just start discussing this super convoluted conspiracy-porn of a story. :D


Edit: From the strategy guide...

Black_Ice said:
Facts!

What does Subject 16's The Truth video mean?

Strictly speaking, it isn't just a video. It's a memory, as recorded by the Animus. This means that Subject 16 must be a descendent of Adam. Not figuratively, but born of Adam's ancestry. The memory reveals that the story of Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden is true-in a fashion. It would appear that they disobeyed their masters and strove to rebel by stealing a Piece of Eden, an Apple, presumably to give themselves some kind of defense or power to resist. This could have been the first act of defiance that led to the conflict described by Minerva. The "innocence" of humankind was lost when we realized how much of their superiority lay in their technglogy, and a war between the two species-First Civilization and humans-began.

Is this why "Apples" can be used to control humans?

Subject 16's record also shows that the artifacts-the Staff, the Apple, the Pieces of Eden-were tools that the First Civilization used to wield power over humans. Whether the aritfacts were made to control humans, or humans were made to obey the artifacts, is another mater. Even so, some are immune to their effects.

Morever, the Glyph puzzles give hints to the involvement of Pieces of Eden in world history. Famous figures and crucial events may have been shaped by the influence that the technology can exert.


Are Desmond, Ezio, and Altair somehow descended from the members of the First Civilization? Doe this explain Eagle Vision, ad their resistance to Pieces of Eden?


From Subject 16's The Truth memory, it's also apparent that Adam and Eve demonstrate feats of agility that might ordinarily be scribed to Assassins. Are they humans? What might be interesting is here is to note the text from Subject 16's Glyph Puzzle #14, which reads:

The seeds were planted as two worlds became one. Behold, the Assassins, the children of two worlds!

If we were built in their image, is it too much to suggest that Assassins. with their innate abilities, are a product of the union of human and the First Civilization?

Who is Minerva?

"Minerva was one of the last surviving members of the First Civilization, and so it fell to her to shoulder their duies to prosperity. She is most cetainly long dead, even in Ezio's time, as it is clear that only a holographic simulacrum of her now remains. The Capitoline Triad of Jupiter, Juno, and Minerva was a sub-pantheon of supreme deities worshipped in Rome long before the Holy Roan Empire, prior even to the Republic.

What are the images that appear on the wall as Minerva speaks to Desmond?

"They show vault locations: this is the true "data" of Minerva's fenetic tranmission. For example, you can clearly see the step pyramids, so one can assume that there's a Vault in Mesoamerica or perhaps in a ziggurat of Mesopotamia. But what are the other symbols and images?

Looking back to Assassins Creed , Altair encountered a holo-globe indicating the locations of other Pieces Of Eden. These may well be the same locations as the Vaults that Minverva describes."

What is the link between the First Civilization and the Roman gods?

"In passing, Minerva mentions the Etruscan etymology of her name. With the other names she gives us, the unavoidable implication is that all faiths and mythologies have derived from her people's manipulations of, or interactions with, humans. It also follows that all known 'gods' and 'goddesses' were actually members of the First Civilization, local to regions where respective religions first flourished."

How long have Minerva and her companions in the other sarcophagi been dead?

"It is possible that they lay dead for millennia before they came to be worshipped as gods...

Are Members of the First Civilization human?

"They must be mortal, at least, though little more is known. Perhaps they're just human, but with the ability to tap greater potential only latent in mankind. In any case, the First Civilization is clearly tremendously advanced, with incedible technology, but there is no indication of whetehr they are from another time, or space, or dimenson, or simply the true and original indigenous race of Earth. Minerva says they built humans in their own image, and that theymade them to survive. But it appears they made us too well: not content to exist as slaves and inferiors."

Who won the war between the First Civilization and humans?

"All we know is that the First Civilization died, and that humans didn't, so we can assume that the latter (and more specifically, we might guess, proto-templars in heir lust for power) won the war. This would explain why Minerva warns Desmond to"guard against the cross-for there are many who wil lstand in your way."
 

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was it just me noticing the stupidity of Ezio not killing the guy who killed his father and brothers because "it wouldn't bring them back" yet on the route to this point he's killed hundreds of other people without a care in the world.
 

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Wow, 2 replies in 3 hours? Is everyone still sleeping or something? :/
It's 5:29 where I am. Guess you're going to have to wait a few more hours.
 

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Eizo and Borgia just wanted to be BROS and fistfight.

the end.
 

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So I have seen the ending when the Scientist from the first game invades your HQ in this game is it just me or do they they look like there all from the soldiers you usually see in wild west films including said hats and sabers, so does this mean it could take in the wild west american time period?
 

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So I have seen the ending when the Scientist from the first game invades your HQ in this game is it just me or do they they look like there all from the soldiers you usually see in wild west films including said hats and sabers, so does this mean it could take in the wild west american time period?
The clothes that Desmond and the assassins are wearing clearly indicate otherwise. Also the talk about the magnetic field clearly indicates that it is present-near present time.
 

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It's TEH ALIENZ for me.

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So I have seen the ending when the Scientist from the first game invades your HQ in this game is it just me or do they they look like there all from the soldiers you usually see in wild west films including said hats and sabers, so does this mean it could take in the wild west american time period?
There are no words.
 

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jett said:
It's TEH ALIENZ for me.
But Minerva implied that they've ALWAYS been here. That's the weird part. They created our species because they were bored or something.
 

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But Minerva implied that they've ALWAYS been here. That's the weird part. They created our species because they were bored or something.
She said they "came here(Earth) first".
 

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No, she said they were the ones who came before. As in, existed before us.
I understood that differently, that they literally came to the planet before we existed.
 

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I understood that differently, that they literally came to the planet before we existed.
I think it's meant to be ambiguous anyway. But from the context of what she says, she never refers to another home other than Earth, and when she refers to the solar disaster, she says that they failed to notice "the heavens". It sounds like they fully considered this their planet, as much as it was ours.
 
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Finally! We needed a thread like this.

Okay, DR, let's go over your points.

So basically a long time ago, there was an advanced race on Earth which pre-dated humanity. They created the Pieces of Eden, and created mankind as a race in their image. They also trained the first assassins, Adam and Eve, who stole the Apple and escaped from "Eden" which was the ancient's city. Why did they steal the Apple, and what exactly was Eden? Was it just a city? Or a spaceship? I know they're trying really hard to say "there are no aliens", but... if they're not aliens where did they come from? Since they had to create humanity, it would imply that they had difficulty reproducing to sustain their race, maybe they're survivors from another world?
Wether the gods were indigenous or offworld is still up in the air. I think there are good arguements for both. I'm leaning towards being indigenous. Other species evolved quite far before some natural distaster, or another species, whipped them out. However, when solving the last cypher it says that these gods did create man out of evolved hominini. Could they have come to earth and used their technology to create humanity? Or, could they, themselves evolved from some form of hominini, and then created us? We, ourselves, have been successful in creating life in a lab. And we strive to create more and more sophisticated AI all the time.

So they programmed a single bloodline to carry a certain message genetically to Desmond. How did this race know about the future? Altair mentioned that the Apple could show him visions of the future, and he saw what I assume to be 9/11, but how is that possible? If the future can be foretold, wouldn't that mean it cannot be changed? If it can, how would it work? You know what would be REALLY dumb/insane/awesome? If the ancient race are simply human survivors from the future who traveled to the past, and created humanity. Causing a closed loop of creation with no real source of origin.
I don't believe they programmed a bloodline to carry a certain message. I believe they were able to see into the future and use their technology to speak to Ezio from the past. Sorta like the way Superman is able to commune with his father in the Fortress of Solitude in. Minerva said that after the first sun flare the humans, and their creators, built temples to protect them and their technology. As the centuries rolled by, and stories were passed from generation to generation, some of the decendants stayed the course to safeguard the PE's so that they may be used to save the planet from another solar flare.

We can assume the Staff is destroyed right? It's implied that Tesla used his electric field technology to destroy it causing the Tunguska incident. Also, the golden fleece of legend is supposedly the "shroud" Piece of Eden, which was also what Jesus used right? If that's the case, it seems pretty powerful, where is it now? I believe Hitler also had a Piece of Eden, but if the assassins got him after he killed his double to create the suicide, does that mean the assassins have the piece now?
Yeah, ubisoft really did their homework. Basing their story off of history really made for some great story telling

I believe the PE that the story is refering to was The Spear of Longinous. Or, Spear of Destiny. This is the lance that supposedly pierced the side of The Christ as he was being crusified. Based on actual facts of history, while living in Vienna in his younger years, Hitler visited the Hapsburg's treasury at the Hofmuseum in Vienna. It claims to have the REAL spear on hand. Hitler became obessed with this, as well as other occult objects. When Austria was annexed by Nazi Germany in 1938 Hitler himself went to the Hofmuseum and took possession of the artifact. Later, At 2.10am on 30th April, 1945, during the final days of the war, after considerable bombing of Nuremberg, the Spear fell into the hands of the American 7th Army under General Patton. Later that day, Hitler committed suicide.

Tunguska blast is believed to have been created by a metorite that exploded above the earth in 1908. However, some scientist believe that the devisation it caused was too big to have been caused by just an exploding metorite. A comet would've made that type of distruction on such massive a scale, but there was never a crater found. They believe that earth could have come in contact with darkmatter.

As for the Shroud of Turren. Not sure.

Did they kill JFK to steal the Piece of Eden used by all the American presidents since Washington, or did they simply kill him because he had a piece and wouldn't listen to the demands of the Templars? That would be really weird, because JFK is actually Catholic. Wouldn't that have made it easier?
Was it that JFK had the PE, or was it that he wasn't going to go along with the plans of the Templars? I think the latter makes more sense to me. From what I've gathered, in the AC universe only the Templars and Assassins have the PEs.
 

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Whoa, I just realized something really cool. I was reading up on the stuff from AC1, and I've forgotten a lot of the details from the emails and stuff Desmond hacked into. AC1 actually specifically mentioned the Tunguska incident, and the Templars had finally confirmed that the event was caused by assassins, resulting in the base station there as well as the "artifact" being destroyed. They then mention that they're looking for descendants of the survivors of the incident from either the assassins or the templars who were involved, to extract more information of the event. :eek:

And I believe PE1 to PE3 are all referred to in the emails as well, and we know that two of the apples have been destroyed so far, from templar misuse. Man, I need more time to piece together stuff from both AC1 and AC2. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
 
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duckroll said:
Whoa, I just realized something really cool. I was reading up on the stuff from AC1, and I've forgotten a lot of the details from the emails and stuff Desmond hacked into. AC1 actually specifically mentioned the Tunguska incident, and the Templars had finally confirmed that the event was caused by assassins, resulting in the base station there as well as the "artifact" being destroyed. They then mention that they're looking for descendants of the survivors of the incident from either the assassins or the templars who were involved, to extract more information of the event. :eek:

And I believe PE1 to PE3 are all referred to in the emails as well, and we know that two of the apples have been destroyed so far, from templar misuse. Man, I need more time to piece together stuff from both AC1 and AC2. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Has it been confirmed that more than 1 PE is in the shape of an apple? The second was a staff.
 

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was it just me noticing the stupidity of Ezio not killing the guy who killed his father and brothers because "it wouldn't bring them back" yet on the route to this point he's killed hundreds of other people without a care in the world.
Yes, i also found that incredibly stupid of Ezio.
And also i'm pretty sure he will remain pope and thus still have a lot of power to misuse.
 

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Yes, i also found that incredibly stupid of Ezio.
And also i'm pretty sure he will remain pope and thus still have a lot of power to misuse.
It seemed more like he left Borgia to die a slow and painful death, not a quick one like he requested.
 
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Just wanted to say that I'm pretty much shocked that Roger Craig Smith, the VO for Chris Redfield in RE5 is the one doing the VO for Ezio in Assassin 2. Unrecognizable, it is.
 

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Yes, i also found that incredibly stupid of Ezio.
And also i'm pretty sure he will remain pope and thus still have a lot of power to misuse.
I guess he got a sudden flash of enlightment? :lol In reality the game couldn't very well kill Borgia as he lives for many years after the end of the game. :p I was wondering how they were gonna handle that, and well there it is.

A worst one I think is the Lorenzo De Medici's assassination sub-missions. By the end of the game the guy is already dead...yet you keep getting missions from him. :p I guess he just left all these pigeons scattered around Italy. Magical pigeons that need no food or water to survive.
 

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I'd like to know what's implied by the glyph sequences. Are they really saying that Tesla had access to the PE, as did Gandhi and all the others before him? Or is that just a little bit of, well, padding to reveal the Adam and Eve video.

And, so now are the Templars just, well, irrelevant to the series? The way Lucy talks about them is as if they aren't really the enemies anymore and that there's something bigger. What are the Templars after, exactly? Just the power that the PE will bring or something more?
 

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Erm, Desmond is in the year 2012. Isn't it pretty obvious?
Yes the character is - do I expect AC3 to only play as Desmond nope. I expect to play as a new character from Desmonds family tree with the odd occational break out of the animus 3.0 to have little dialogue with present day characters then jump back in for some more open world fun of the past.
 

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Has it been confirmed that more than 1 PE is in the shape of an apple? The second was a staff.
Yes, I believe in the puzzle where you solve the lineage of the apples. There was an apple passed down through the English monarchy, and there's the apple passed down through the US presidents, and there's the apple passed down through Napoleon. It showed 3 at a time, so there has to be at least 3 apples. But another puzzle shows the moon landing, and a 4th apple found there.
 

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Yes the character is - do I expect AC3 to only play as Desmond nope. I expect to play as a new character from Desmonds family tree with the odd occational break out of the animus 3.0 to have little dialogue with present day characters then jump back in for some more open world fun of the past.
Well that depends on if they are going to make more than 3 main line games to tell the story. Because the last game you obviously play most of the time as Desmond. Since you know, you kind of have to stop the world from getting destroyed.

Edit: Also doesn't the count of the pieces of eden go up to 30 something? I think the sword is 34 or something.

And another question. Assuming that the templars have several apples of eden as mentioned in the whole JFK glyph event, why didn't they use those to find the location of the other pieces and or temples?
 

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Well that depends on if they are going to make more than 3 main line games to tell the story. Because the last game you obviously play most of the time as Desmond. Since you know, you kind of have to stop the world from getting destroyed.
I doubt that, seeing these different time-periods is one of the most important aspects of the AC franchise.
And they already said that while they envisioned a trilogy, they could make more then 35 of these. Don't worry, Ubi loves money.
I'm hoping the next one will take place in medival times, the perfect setting for an assassin. Corruption,dark and evil everywhere.
I do hope they up the graphics tough, one of the only complaints i have about AC2. While AC1 was one of the best looking games of it's time, AC2 falls short. A lot of clipping and the views arent as spectacular as they used to be. On the plus side, the architecture is amazing.
 

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I doubt that, seeing these different time-periods is one of the most important aspects of the AC franchise.
Well the point is that they either ditch the story that they built up to now or they find a way to get around that. Because they pretty much wrapped up the whole "lets go back to the past to find out what really happened" bit. Because we already kind of know what happened and now the main character needs to get busy with saving the world.

Edit: Although at this point my guess is that they are going to set part of the game in modern day with random flashbacks to the past thanks to the "bleeding effect"
 

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I doubt that, seeing these different time-periods is one of the most important aspects of the AC franchise.
And they already said that while they envisioned a trilogy, they could make more then 35 of these. Don't worry, Ubi loves money.
I'm hoping the next one will take place in medival times, the perfect setting for an assassin. Corruption,dark and evil everywhere.
I do hope they up the graphics tough, one of the only complaints i have about AC2. While AC1 was one of the best looking games of it's time, AC2 falls short. A lot of clipping and the views arent as spectacular as they used to be. On the plus side, the architecture is amazing.
See I thought it would make more sense to go advance in time - maybe go from one hidden blade to 2 hidden blades and a hidden gun, to 2 hidden blades and two hidden guns.

And honestly I doubt they would make it a trilogy becuase after the 3 main games what else can you do after you've saved the world from the solar flare. Unless it goes all crazy when in reality the Templars are the good guys and the assassins are the bad guys.
 

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jett said:
It's TEH ALIENZ for me.
From the other thread:
OmonRa said:
You may consider the following statement as FACT and use it to adjust/confirm theories:

There are NO ALIENS IN ASSASSIN'S CREED.
I'm pretty sure he/she worked on both games, so...
 

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Edit: Although at this point my guess is that they are going to set part of the game in modern day with random flashbacks to the past thanks to the "bleeding effect"
That would make for an awesome twist. They really need to give Desmond new clothes, and a new look. He's so lanky and douchey, he looked totally lame when performing Ezio's moves. :p
 

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That would make for an awesome twist. They really need to give Desmond new clothes, and a new look. He's so lanky and douchey, he looked totally lame when performing Ezio's moves. :p
While I did feel the same, I noticed most of his moves were more, well, crazy and less human like than Ezio's. It's a nice twist. He does need a redesign though, he's very boring and bland looking as it is and looked kinda retarded moving around. They also need to fix Kristen Bell's face.

But yeah, I'm seriously hoping they'll keep doing a few flashbacks to different time periods, despite that fact that I can't see that happening storywise. Maybe perhaps flashing back to, say, Lucy's ancestors (play as a female, perhaps?) just to flesh out her back story or something. Hey, at least it's an excuse to explore other locales. :lol
 

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That would make for an awesome twist. They really need to give Desmond new clothes, and a new look. He's so lanky and douchey, he looked totally lame when performing Ezio's moves. :p
Eh my main complaint is that the old hidden blade gauntlet looks so out of place.

Edit: I just think that the cut off point is the year 1500 now. Anything before 1100 would be to close to AC1 and anything else would just be leading up to the Ezio and fleshing out some minor details unless they set it in asia some time after Genghis Khan.
 

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There will NEVER be an AC game where you play exclusively as Desmond. Here's why:

The appeal of the series is that it is a historical simulation, allowing you to explore a period era location with awesome architecture and learn about historical structures while being able to climb and examine them in a virtual setting. This cannot change, or the game will bomb. There's no point trying to complete the "story" at the expense of the main selling point of the series. No one really wants that.

From the ending of AC2, it is clear that there's much more they need from Desmond's memory. Minerva talked about the temples that would be needed to save the world from the solar disaster. That's probably what they will need next. Perhaps the next game will have various chapters taking place in different eras and locations instead, each relating to a temple. This would mean instead of 4 cities in the same continent, it would be 4 major cities in different parts of the world set in different time periods. That would be cool.

Obviously the main narrative would still be about Desmond, but aside from missions taking place in-between, like in AC2, I don't see them ever ditching the entire Animus concept. The bleeding effect will certainly be a great excuse to allow the Desmond narrative and the period narratives to "blend" regardless of location or what's happening. It would allow them to not limit themselves to a set location where Desmond is stuck in a machine. But other than that, the overall concept of AC has to remain the same because that's WHY the games are so good. :p
 

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AC3 in Atlantis would be fucking awesome. They could go really wild, no constraints. But I doubt they would do that:(

And yeah, there is no way they would make a full AC game in the present. Maybe a scripted/linear section, sure, but not a full game. It wouldn't make sense, period. They would have to reinvent everything.
 

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AC3 in Atlantis would be fucking awesome. They could go really wild, no constraints. But I doubt they would do that:(
No, it really wouldn't. An Assassin's Creed set in some random made up modern city with Desmond would be like Crackdown. An Assassin's Creed set in some random made up ancient city like Atlantis would be like a fantasy RPG. These things are not what make AC appealing. What is great about the game is their attention to detail and realism in recreating cities which ACTUALLY existed, but no longer exist in the same form today.

I personally don't want AC: Atlantis, or AC: Shangri-La, or AC: Manhattan 2012. These are just ideas which sound good in theory when you're caught up in the plot and where it could go and what crazy things they could do with it. But in the end they probably won't make a great game.
 

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No, it really wouldn't. An Assassin's Creed set in some random made up modern city with Desmond would be like Crackdown. An Assassin's Creed set in some random made up ancient city like Atlantis would be like a fantasy RPG. These things are not what make AC appealing. What is great about the game is their attention to detail and realism in recreating cities which ACTUALLY existed, but no longer exist in the same form today.

I personally don't want AC: Atlantis, or AC: Shangri-La, or AC: Manhattan 2012. These are just ideas which sound good in theory when you're caught up in the plot and where it could go and what crazy things they could do with it. But in the end they probably won't make a great game.
But it's going to get old if they do something else really, with Atlantis they can tie the doom of Atlantis to the doom of the people in the present in 2012. You can have some cool parallels. Basically, the alpha and omega; where it all started and where it all ends. And it really opens things up gameplay-wise. You can have a gun like in AC2, a flying machine, or more, anything goes really. And art-wise they can do what they want, while still making it look as if it may have really existed.

But other than Atlantis, if it had to be in an historical place I would go for the Roman Empire, at the time of the gladiators, centurions, horse races, etc. That could be fucking awesome. It's probably the most powerful and familiar setting they can go for after the Renaissance. Things like the French Revolution, US Civial War, etc., aren't enticing enough for the average joe. I could see some secret society among Roman's gladiators and army, using the cover of the coliseum and the gladiator battles to lower suspicion about they intentions to overthrow the empire or something.
 

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Don't they have guns in the future? I thought the end was dumb when you are using that ancient hidden blade to fight off sword-wielding templars. I don't think a modern-day AC would work
 
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Yes, I believe in the puzzle where you solve the lineage of the apples. There was an apple passed down through the English monarchy, and there's the apple passed down through the US presidents, and there's the apple passed down through Napoleon. It showed 3 at a time, so there has to be at least 3 apples. But another puzzle shows the moon landing, and a 4th apple found there.
Interesting. I thought it was just that one specific PE that was able to allow them (Templars) to do all those things.
 

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But it's going to get old if they do something else really, with Atlantis they can tie the doom of Atlantis to the doom of the people in the present in 2012. You can have some cool parallels. Basically, the alpha and omega; where it all started and where it all ends. And it really opens things up gameplay-wise. You can have a gun like in AC2, a flying machine, or more, anything goes really. And art-wise they can do what they want, while still making it look as if it may have really existed.

But other than Atlantis, if it had to be in an historical place I would go for the Roman Empire, at the time of the gladiators, centurions, horse races, etc. That could be fucking awesome. It's probably the most powerful and familiar setting they can go for after the Renaissance. Things like the French Revolution, US Civial War, etc., aren't enticing enough for the average joe.
I agree that it will be HARD to keep doing what they're doing with AC and AC2 with the same relevance and quality, but that doesn't mean that going with a fictional place is a good idea. I mean, why would I be interested in climbing around in Atlantis, and reading about.... made up buildings and stuff? What would be the appeal there honestly?

I agree with Rome. Ben Hur style AC would rock. It definitely has the mass appeal, and it would be a place people are pretty familiar with from movies and TV shows. I would LOVE to have chariot races as a new sort of mission, complete with rigging of spiked wheels, attacking the opponent's horses, etc. Gladiator battles would fit in naturally with the combat system of the game as well, and now they can add ANIMALS into the combat system. Fight lions and tigers! :eek:

sangreal said:
Don't they have guns in the future? I thought the end was dumb when you are using that ancient hidden blade to fight off sword-wielding templars. I don't think a modern-day AC would work
I thought the EXACT same thing. "Why the fuck don't they have GUNS, wtf?!" That was pretty lazy of them to not come up with something more unique for that final fight. :(
 
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AC3 in Atlantis would be fucking awesome. They could go really wild, no constraints. But I doubt they would do that:(
I don't believe it would be such a great idea. Ubisoft uses actual historical references, people, and places to base their conspiracy theories on. To date the existence of Atlantis hasn't been proven concretely. If they were to use Atlantis then they might as well have made the setting of AC2 in Camelot.
 

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What about playing as Adam and Eve? >_> Or were they really really constricted during their time with the ancients? Could work as a nice origins story (and perhaps even somehow reveal the locations for Des and Lucy to track down).

I thought the EXACT same thing. "Why the fuck don't they have GUNS, wtf?!" That was pretty lazy of them to not come up with something more unique for that final fight. :(
This is precisely why I don't think a modern day Desmond-only AC would work.
 

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Yeah they really need to do the Roman Empire. It would be so epic. Plus the enemies would look bad ass.

Actually, in the villa there is a statue of a Roman assassin, and he looks exactly like I pictured a Roman assassin to look like. He looks like someone who can actually run and jump from buildings to buildings (not too heavy), yet still looks like he would blend well with the crowd (especially priests/priestesses/etc.). It would be a good opportunity to improve the free running (faster) and crowd blending (more believable).

It would also be a nifty way to reveal more about the "gods".
 

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Genetic memories...:lol
It is actually not that laughable.

Genetic memories are a possibility, think about instinct. What drives animals to have instincts even right after birth? Many scientists believe it to be genetic memories.
 
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I thought the EXACT same thing. "Why the fuck don't they have GUNS, wtf?!" That was pretty lazy of them to not come up with something more unique for that final fight. :(
I thought so in the beginning too. I mean, in the first game you can hear gunfire over the phone. However, during the final fight, you hear Vidic screaming at the guards not to hurt him. They needed him alive so they could hook him up back into the Animus and get more information out of him. So, then I wondered why not use a tranq gun on Desmond, Lucy, and the rest, and take their data the downloaded from Desmond from the Animus 2.0?