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true, but I think, especially post-AC2, that they're walking a really slippery slope between keeping the player interested in the past-story and Desmond's story. Desmond's story has become a lot more interesting, so I'm curious as to how UM are going to actually create a convincing reason to put Desmond back in the Animus for a long period of time. The end game hinted at Desmond himself having to take action, am I correct?

I have no idea how they'd be able to pull-off a modern day AC, especially with guns and all the rest of it (it was jarring enough that none of the Templars or Lucy's Group had even one during the end-game). So in that regard, it makes sense to keep the game in the past. I can't see them going any further back-in-time, though. I'd imagine they'd want to bring it closer and closer to the modern-day world.

 

[Linkified]

Even if Sherlock Holmes is fictional, he could be based on a real character we don't know of Anything goes really.

I'd bet more the French Revolution than London really. It has to be about an historic MOMENT, or ERA.

But I till think Rome in the days of the Roman Empire would be the best We need some visceral era, blood, killing, and brutal games like chariot races and gladiator battles (with ranking and online and all).

If you want that minus the online of course, Capcom did make Shadow of Rome which although dealing with a couple of characters is pretty much what your asking for.

Personally if you look at it from the viewpoint of Minerva started leaving clues for Desmond from Altair to the present. Why not replace the Villa from this game with say a Ranch and make the next Assassin a Zorro archtype and have him liberate California when it was a spanish settlement or something like that, that way we can get the 'bleeding' effect of Desmond learning how to use the hidden gun.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Cause the average Joe doesn't care about California.

Think "movie". Kingdom of Heaven. Da Vinci Code. Gladiator.

 

[Linkified]

Cause the average Joe doesn't care about California.

Think "movie". Kingdom of Heaven. Da Vinci Code. Gladiator.

Ok Henry VIII. It is then.

Think of it this way different time period per country. Italy has used it up with this game, I want to go forward in time.

 

[indigo-cyclops]

Think of it this way different time period per country. Italy has used it up with this game, I want to go forward in time.

But I guess wild west won't happen seen as Ubisoft, I would imagine would want to set them in time periods other studios have ignored.

I think Ubisoft is choosing time periods which had an extremely large impact on certain parts of civilization. The Wild West just didn't have the same impact as the Crusades, or Renaissance Italy. It doesn't FIT with the story either, because really, the Templars have no logical connection to the Wild West. So far the Crusades and Renaissance had a much closer relationship thematically and were very profound points in history.

I agree 100% though, for me, the entire appeal of this series is revisiting these awesome, historically accurate settings. A modern day Assassin's Creed would be no more than Splinter Cell with some different mechanics if you ask me.

 

[Kobun Heat]

I think we need to think of locations that are on that map AND have towers that you can jump from. No towers, no sale.

 

[Deleted member 30609]

and hay, don't forget they hay

 

[indigo-cyclops]

and hay, don't forget they hay

+ Leaves and/or blossoms.

 

[ashbash159]

I just completed the game about 30 minutes ago.

My game of the year. (Even more than Uncharted 2!)

When Mrs Hologram-Lady looked at me, I got shit scared.

YOURE NOT SUPPOSED TO BREAK THE 4TH WALL!

 

[jett]

I think we need to think of locations that are on that map AND have towers that you can jump from. No towers, no sale.

18th century Paris ftw?

 

[ashbash159]

I really really really want the next game to be set in Victorian London. Being able to climb up Big Ben would be amazing.

However there's not really any reason to go to that time period.

The industrial revolution was a pretty world changing time.

 

[Ether_Snake]

18th century Paris ftw?

Yeah French Revolution would be better because it ties in to the US revolution down the line (and many others). It definitly "changed the world" long term. But it's definitly not as cool as the Roman Empire!

 

[jett]

Yeah French Revolution would be better because it ties in to the US revolution down the line (and many others). It definitly "changed the world" long term. But it's definitly not as cool as the Roman Empire!

It cannot be the Roman Empire, it cannot be anything from before Altair. In the Assassin Guild of Al Mualan having children was prohibited, Altair's parents couldn't have been assassins. Desmond's Assassin lineage starts with Altair.

 

[Ether_Snake]

It cannot be the Roman Empire, it cannot be anything from before Altair. In the Assassin Guild of Al Mualan having children was prohibited, Altair's parents couldn't have been assassins. Desmond's Assassin lineage starts with Altair.

But Al Mualan's guild was not the first assassin "guild". We don't know who was the father of Altair either. We don't know his back story nor that of the guild. They can go back in time if they wanted to. It's easy to retcon.

 

[lostxii]

It cannot be the Roman Empire, it cannot be anything from before Altair. In the Assassin Guild of Al Mualan having children was prohibited, Altair's parents couldn't have been assassins. Desmond's Assassin lineage starts with Altair.

I think the guild required that the assassins have children, just no involvement with them afterwards.

 

[indigo-cyclops]

But Al Mualan's guild was not the first assassin "guild". We don't know who was the father of Altair either. We don't know his back story nor that of the guild. They can go back in time if they wanted to. It's easy to retcon.

True, but I think for the sake of storytelling this series is essentially about Desmond. With Al Mualan dead, Altair carried on the Assassins but had a child with Maria, ex-Templar and so forth. Obviously in AC2 we learn that there were very important figures in the Assassin history via Assassin tombs. I agree that the French Revolution was a tumultuous time in European history, and it's safe to say this story is probably based more on European history more than anything. I think The Truth glyphs/puzzles might hold some clues as to what our next destination could be.

I think for the sake of storytelling they should not backwards in the storyline unless the point is to get messy. The first game set the narrative and the characters. Altair and Desmond. Everything has to revolve around them or else it's going to get wild. However, Subject 16 sure got a lot of screentime in AC2, perhaps this has some importance to the future of the series. Could the Truth video be "evidence" (a video file he made of his sessions?) of "Adam and Eve" being his direct ancestors. Yes, it's a bit far fetched as one could argue that we are all somehow descendants, but what is the origin of the Truth video anyway? How was he even able to hack the Animus?

 

[squicken]

Paris really does seem likely. They really did re-purpose lots of art from AC in AC2, and I think they could do that in Paris.

I guess the reason I thought it was London was b/c the codex map had an Assassin's seal there, and the only other place where a game might take place was NYC. All the other seals weren't in areas of western Civilization. But the seals don't matter.

I saw that Cam Clarke was Subject 16. And people laughed when I compared videogame male voice actors to 80s male porn stars.

Yeah French Revolution would be better because it ties in to the US revolution down the line (and many others). It definitly "changed the world" long term. But it's definitly not as cool as the Roman Empire!

They aren't going to go "back" in time. And the French Revolution was after the US Revolution, unless you are from Alabama and refer to the Civil War as such.

I can already see US luminaries and their Freemason/Templar brothers corrupting the true spirit of the peaceful French Revolution.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Well going back in time would be great because if AC is a trilogy (at least, the current story), then it would make sense for the third game to be set at the origin, or at least deal with an origin story of sorts, exploring the roots of the story, while the story of Desmond in the present is about the end. So you explore the origin of the story. Is there really more to learn from going further rather than backward? In AC1, we learn about the Assassins and Templars. In AC2, we learn about why they are fighting, and we gets hint of something having happened a long time ago. It would only make sense IMO to explore the past to uncover the last mystery, the origin. Desmond's part of the story is basically being setup so he can bring a finality of sort in the present. We could learn about the "gods" or "aliens" or whatever they are more so IMO by going further in the past.

And the French Revolution was after the US Revolution, unless you are from Alabama and refer to the Civil War as such.

I meant that it was tied, as in they can link both revolutions in the same story (without having the game set in both).

 

[jett]

Well going back in time would be great because if AC is a trilogy (at least, the current story), then it would make sense for the third game to be set at the origin, or at least deal with an origin story of sorts, exploring the roots of the story, while the story of Desmond in the present is about the end. So you explore the origin of the story. Is there really more to learn from going further rather than backward? In AC1, we learn about the Assassins and Templars. In AC2, we learn about why they are fighting, and we gets hint of something having happened a long time ago. It would only make sense IMO to explore the past to uncover the last mystery, the origin. Desmond's part of the story is basically being setup so he can bring a finality of sort in the present. We could learn about the "gods" or "aliens" or whatever they are more so IMO by going further in the past.

Uh...the origin of the current tenants of the Assassin is Altair. This is clearly established in AC2. All of the assassins' lore comes from the codex...which Altair wrote! THIS is the origin of the AC story. The exploration of the origin you're talking about is unneeded.

 

[squicken]

I meant that it was tied, as in they can link both revolutions in the same story (without having the game set in both).

Ah, my bad.

I just think, for the sake of storytelling, they will not set it before AC2.

I'm sure they'll reboot it after ACIII, and then anything is possible. Maybe a RTS where the Ones Who Came Before battle the Forerunners and the Cylons and those two guys from Lost.

 

[Lostconfused]

Uh...the origin of the current tenants of the Assassin is Altair. This is clearly established in AC2. All of the assassins' lore comes from the codex...which Altair wrote! THIS is the origin of the AC story. The exploration of the origin you're talking about is unneeded.

I think he is referring to the Atlantis type idea again. I mean that is the last thing left to uncover.

But Al Mualan's guild was not the first assassin "guild". We don't know who was the father of Altair either. We don't know his back story nor that of the guild. They can go back in time if they wanted to. It's easy to retcon.

Right but if any did exist before no one remembers or knows anything about them. Anyways in the codex Altair referred to Assassins as an idea so yeah they exist as long as their blood line exists and some one realizes what the assassins are supposed to do.

 

[Ether_Snake]

BTW anyone noticed that Desmond is actually in Italy? The signs at the beginning are in Italian, and the buildings outside look like those from Ezio's.

 

[edgefusion]

Am I the only one who thinks Subject 16 is actually Desmond somehow? They share the same voice and what seems to have happened to him could happen (/is happening) to Desmond.

Edit: Oh and he mentions Lucy in the final glyph, right? I guess that could be just because he would've met Lucy at Abstergo though...

 

[Lostconfused]

Am I the only one who thinks Subject 16 is actually Desmond somehow? They share the same voice and what seems to have happened to him could happen (/is happening) to Desmond.

I think that would just an extra twist to the story that isn't needed. I mean sure they can say that Desmond totally forgot about being in the animus or cutting his wrists open and smearing blood all over the place and then having a break down and forgetting everything so he would have to go through all of it again. I just don't see any reason/need for that to happen.

 

[Sai]

It cannot be the Roman Empire, it cannot be anything from before Altair. In the Assassin Guild of Al Mualan having children was prohibited, Altair's parents couldn't have been assassins. Desmond's Assassin lineage starts with Altair.

I'm pretty sure Altair said that his parents were assassins, and that having children was actually encouraged by the Order--Al Mualim only prohibited the expression of love towards family. Altair mentions that he didn't know his parents well, despite the fact that they lived with him in Masyaf; and that he felt their for their passing(KIA, it seems) no differently than any other stranger due to Al Mualim's teachings.

I do kind of agree that it shouldn't be anything before Altair's time though. It seems like Altair was the first of the Assassins to really uncover the truth of the situation and make some dire changes to the Order. To get involved with any of Desmond's ancestors before Altair's time would seem like a step back.

French Revolution seems like the best bet.

 

[Ether_Snake]

I'm pretty sure Altair said that his parents were assassins, and that having children was actually encouraged by the Order--Al Mualim only prohibited the expression of love towards family. Altair mentions that he didn't know his parents well, despite the fact that they lived with him in Masyaf; and that he felt their for their passing(KIA, it seems) no differently than any other stranger due to Al Mualim's teachings.

I do kind of agree that it shouldn't be anything before Altair's time though. It seems like Altair was the first of the Assassins to really uncover the truth of the situation and make some dire changes to the Order. To get involved with any of Desmond's ancestors before Altair's time would seem like a step back.

French Revolution seems like the best bet.

There is no indications that the assassins before Altair were not "free". Al Mualim wasn't even a "real" assassin.

 

[Lostconfused]

Now a twist i can see them doing is continuing on from one the last pages of the codex. So that Altair does find a secret to immortality or some such in the apple of eden and is alive in the modern day.

There is no indications that the assassins before Altair were not "free". Al Mualim wasn't even a "real" assassin.

Right but there is also no record or hint of their existence. So if they did existed, they probably existed hundreds or thousands of years previous.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Now a twist i can see them doing is continuing on from one the last pages of the codex. So that Altair does find a secret to immortality or some such in the apple of eden and is alive in the modern day.


Right but there is also no record or hint of their existence. So if they did existed, they probably existed hundreds or thousands of years previous.

Err all the statues in the villa are or previous assassins.

Also, they can't continue from Altair. Altair's memories ended the moment he had impregnated Maria.

 

[Captain N]

If they do end up catching up on the story they could always jump ahead to the future.

Will we need to wait 2 more years for Assassin's Creed 3 or will it be like Splinter Cell and we'll get one every year now from different teams?

 

[Deleted member 30609]

If they do end up catching up on the story they could always jump ahead to the future.

Will we need to wait 2 more years for Assassin's Creed 3 or will it be like Splinter Cell and we'll get one every year now from different teams?

Nah, Prince of Persia will be Montreal's big 10 title. Assassin's 3 will be an 11 game.

 

[Captain N]

Nah, Prince of Persia will be Montreal's big 10 title. Assassin's 3 will be an 11 game.

Now that they have the engine maybe we'll get a mid story on the PSP. Maybe some DLC for Assassin's Creed 2.

 

[rollingstart]

I think the best approach for the next game is playing as various characters. So, Desmond knows where each vault is, as does Ezio and the other assassins. They can make the main structure be about finding the fault by jumping into the various assassins overtime who were involved with them. You have about ~500 of past family members to jump into; going before that time wouldn't make much sense.

With Ezio, Desmond needed to start at the beginning to learn all the moves as training. If we keep working on up through time, the way new moves can be introduced could be through new technology. Then by the end when they find out that there is a final vault that hasn't been visited, that could be when you take over as Desmond with a more current (circa 2012) set of skills.

 

[Lostconfused]

Err all the statues in the villa are or previous assassins.

Also, they can't continue from Altair. Altair's memories ended the moment he had impregnated Maria.

Well not all and according to Altairs record's Al Mualim's order of assassins is the only one that he is aware of. Maybe there were other assassins out there but they never contacted Altair directly if the codex is completely accurate.

Edit: Ok so the order of assassins was lost for a couple of hundred years until Altair revived it.

 

[Terrordactyl]

In regards to the OP, you where the God's/aliens came from. Minerva states that it is beyond our comprehension or that we are to young mentally as a species to understand their orgins. I have in my personal life decided this same thing about God if this being exists. It's really the only explaination. In our world there are defined rules of how everything works, it's very cyclical. It makes sense if you think that gods or aliens have a completely different 'rule set'. Strangely it never crossed my mind to question that the gods constructed a path to end with Desmond overhearing Ezio's and Minervas conversation. I think it is possible, similar to a lot of sci fi time travel stories, that time does not move in a linear path and everything is happening simultaniously and Minerva was more or less talking to Desmond in real time.

I agree with the various characters idea. I think we may see Desmond searching for an especially elusive temple or peice of eden that there are no records of. In the other thread some people speculated that AC3 would take place in Yona Guni. I think really isn't a way to do this, both AC1 and AC2 are acurate to the time period and much is known about them. I really don't see them creating their 'idea' of Yona Guni seeing how there isn't too much documentation of the place.

One last thing, did Ezio's mom reallyremain at a bedside without speaking for over ten years?! Why didn't Claudia age? Why was the archetect hanging out there after I had bought all possible upgrades?

 

[Captain N]

Any chance they'd go back before Altair?

 

[Lostconfused]

One last thing, did Ezio's mom reallyremain at a bedside without speaking for over ten years?! Why didn't Claudia age? Why was the archetect hanging out there after I had bought all possible upgrades?

Because the animus is not a 100% exact representation of the past. Since apparently the user has some control over the events, the simulation is kind of almost right but not exactly, so things kind of happened that way but not necessarily exactly like that.

Any chance they'd go back before Altair?

It really wouldn't move the story along and they would have to do it some time in the BC era.

 

[rollingstart]

Any chance they'd go back before Altair?

If at all, it would need to bee waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before Altair. Like, playing as Adam way before.

 

[Terrordactyl]

Because the animus is not a 100% exact representation of the past. Since apparently the user has some control over the events, the simulation is kind of almost right but not exactly, so things kind of happened that way but not necessarily exactly like that.


It really wouldn't move the story along and they would have to do it some time in the BC era.

I can buy this, but that makes me think of something they better not do: turn it into the Matrix.

Is it confirmed that 16 went to multiple locales? I find it crazy how he knew so much, I can't remember how he said he stumbled across the truth. I remember they said he spent a lot of time in Africa, I don't see the gameplay fitting in with a locale like that. It has to be a metropolis with some verticality, I wouldn't be too bothered if there were less sync towers, just so long as there are still a lot of buildings to traverse.

I think it would be interesting if desmond had no control over what ancestor he takes control of. They could do a few characters and locales this way, it would make sense because that kind of seems like what happened to 16.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Well not all and according to Altairs record's Al Mualim's order of assassins is the only one that he is aware of. Maybe there were other assassins out there but they never contacted Altair directly if the codex is completely accurate.

Edit: Ok so the order of assassins was lost for a couple of hundred years until Altair revived it.

They even all have the same symbol on their belts. It's clear there was some group of assassins that came and went over time, and Al-Mualin was distortion of the real assassin brotherhood, used for his own power.

It really wouldn't move the story along and they would have to do it some time in the BC era.

Of course it would. The further you go in time the further you are from the origin. We need to find out more about Minerva and her likes, not more templars trying to get their hands on apples. We already went around that part of the story enough already. I don't see how another story like this would work. They need to make it really fresh. So going before the templars would be great, because surely there was something before then just like there were assassins before Altair's era. They need to cover the origin of the mythology of the game. The more you go back in time, the more likely it is that you could have direct interaction with the aliens/gods. Heck, the chapel Sistine was built on top of a vault. That means the Romans knew about it.

Greece or Rome, with a whole pantheon of aliens/gods would be awesome. Troy, Mount Olympus, or Rome or whatever, that's where I would love to go. We could have Plato, Socrates, etc. A focus on religion, philosophy and gods would be very appropriate IMO, especially if the present in AC3 is basically the end of the trilogy, it's a nice contrast: the beginning with man's worship of a pantheon of gods and the emergence of philosophical thoughts, and the present where there is no more gods and only man and his attempt at playing God.

Anything set after the renaissance IMO would not be fresh enough. The narrative flow would be too similar.

 

[lupin23rd]

Not sure how it would work, but an older civilization would be awesome and IMO preferred over anything more modern. But if we're going back to Desmond's ancestors not sure how we can do that...?

Babylon might be cool, you've got the Tower of Babel, and the Hanging Gardens at the very least, and you could probably exaggerate how advanced stuff was since it is pretty old.

Maybe put it in the period of Alexander the Great taking over and have him be a Templar? :lol

I also think you could make Asia work - in the right cities there are tons of temples that could be "high enough" as well as castles and various pagodas. China especially in this regard. Maybe Kyoto as well but then you're treading on Kenzan territroy :lol

Do the eras of any of the 6 assassins in the sanctuary work?

 

[lupin23rd]

. I remember they said he spent a lot of time in Africa, I don't see the gameplay fitting in with a locale like that. It has to be a metropolis with some verticality, I wouldn't be too bothered if there were less sync towers, just so long as there are still a lot of buildings to traverse.

If they talked about Africa (must have missed that part), I think Egypt would work, I'm not sure there is a more well-known structure to climb up than the pyramids!

Also the Lighthouse and Library in Alexandria, among other ancient structures.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Egypt doesn't work because of the cities height (too low).

Athens, Rome, London, France, New York, are the likeliest ones IMO. Asia is very unlikely, not mainstream enough.

Also, if they did Greece then they could snip in some Atlantis-related story in there, that could be cool.

AC is such a cool story really, everything can be new in each game.

 

[DrPirate]

The Templars become the modern bankers and you spend the game in every major city in the world killing corporate executives and high ranking politicians in the present liberating the world from their mass media mind control.


...

lol

(also, I've gotta say, while I AM being satirical, I sure am glad to know alot of you aren't gonna be working on AC3. Seriously...feudal japan? Ninjas? Ninjas are cool and all, but they'd feel extremely cliched and.... no I just feel like it wouldn't work. Don't turn AC into an anime. The farthest back they can go asian wise is to Mongolia because one of the assassins in the sanctuary killed Genghis Kahn.)

If I seriously had to give input on where the next AC would take place (and I'm all for Desmond saving the world in the present with his newly learned assassin skills) in the past, I go with the sentiment of industrial era in England/18th century french revolt.

 

[jett]

You know what I didn't like? That they skipped over Lorenzo's death. I'm guessing they skipped over sequences 12 and 13 because at one point they realized they weren't gonna finish this thing by 2009. When you think about it, the end is seriously rushed.

 

[rollingstart]

You know what I didn't like? That they skipped over Lorenzo's death. I'm guessing they skipped over sequences 12 and 13 because at one point they realized they weren't gonna finish this thing by 2009. When you think about it, the end is seriously rushed.

I don't think it was important for what they needed to get across in this game. Or maybe they just want to make another PSP game or have DLC.

 

[duckroll]

You know what I didn't like? That they skipped over Lorenzo's death. I'm guessing they skipped over sequences 12 and 13 because at one point they realized they weren't gonna finish this thing by 2009. When you think about it, the end is seriously rushed.

I agree that they ran out of time, but I think they made the right choice. Release 12 and 13 as major DLC packs along the line, and I'll eat it up. If they contain a medium sized entirely new city, I will pay up to 20 bucks for it!

 

[D23]

so i just finished the main story, and after the whole talk with the Gods or w/e.. i said WHAT THE FUCK, then desmond said it :lol :lol :lol :lol such a good game, but seriously.. what the fuck? can anyone here tell me what happen at the end?

 

[Deleted member 30609]

it seems to me like very, very early on in the dev process they had considered having Rome as one of the major cities, but ultimately decided to scrap it.

 

[duckroll]

it seems to me like very, very early on in the dev process they had considered having Rome as one of the major cities, but ultimately decided to scrap it.

Or put it on hold while finishing off the core game first. They did complete a small part of Vatican City for the final mission, so they could actually be working on a more extensive part of Rome for DLC.

Sure, Ezio mentioned he hadn't been to Rome before, so maybe this will be the second DLC pack taking place after Sequence 14. I could see one DLC pack being 12 and 13, covering Ezio's exploits as an assassin within Italy, concluding with the death of Lorenzo. It would use some of the existing cities but in a more destroyed form, with Florence burning, etc. Maybe have a more extensive use of Forli as well, since the game didn't really use it much.

The second DLC pack could be Sequences 15 and 16 or something, released either in Nov 2010, or early in 2011. It would be Rome, as a complete city, and be pretty much an expansion pack. It could cover Ezio's exploits after the ending, and lead directly into the start of AC3.

 

[rollingstart]

it seems to me like very, very early on in the dev process they had considered having Rome as one of the major cities, but ultimately decided to scrap it.

I thought Rome was going to be a big part since even in the Lineage stuff it had a large role. It was even mentioned several times in AC2 early on, and you knew that is where the Spaniard was. Or maybe it was just all set up to make you focus on Rome as the destination rather than another place. If that's the case, uh, well done.