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Assassin's Creed Origins' lootboxes are only buyable w/ ingame currency (but has MTs)
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Bits N Pieces
Member
Gamers hold one Hell of a grudge, lol.
Have you played any of the current gen ac games? They all have that and from my experience playing all of them they were just that "time savers" for ppl who wanted to level up fast for whatever reason.
The only one that ever effected my enjoyment was unity with chest you could only open with real money which was assinine.
As far as the "they'll patch in micro transactions later" yes it's possible but unless they dumb down the economy so that it's required what difference does it make? Also as pointed out gaf fav horizon also had in game loot boxes so what exactly is the big deal?
This Ubi vendetta ( hmmm great name for a super smash clone) has really gotten out of hand. I do agree that we as gamers and consumer need to be a hard check on companies looking to profit off of and exploit us, But this whole making up stuff/ misinformation peddling has got to stop.
FriskyrumX
Banned
Lmao it was pretty obvious from this thread.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1444316&page=1
Head.spawn
Junior Member
Is it weird that I treat the in-game currency only loot boxes in Horizon Zero Dawn the same way I treat real-money lootboxes?
I seriously only take the free ones from each vendor, and I've spent zero on it. It's a subconscious thing I guess.
Random buys and drops have been in games for like forever.
BRocknRolla
Member
It's not weird. It's a gambling mechanic. Presumably, if you wouldn't do it with real money, you wouldn't be particularly interested in doing it with fake money either (Unless there's nothing else to do with the money, which arguably is the case with HZD late in the game). It's why casinos hold zero appeal for me, and still wouldn't if someone gave me fake money to gamble with.
It's not a fun mechanic either way in my opinion, but I find nothing offensive about it as long as it doesn't involve real money or it negatively affects game balance. (I don't think an excessive focus on RNG in general is good when it comes to loot though.)
Some people really like those mechanics though.
Polygonal_Sprite
Gold Member
Thats surprising to hear. Do you think this will be the last AC for a while if it does Syndicate numbers or is there already another one in development?
That means you possibly missed out on a pair of warm socks, you idiot!
Kinda wish I did the same, they all pretty much contain junk anyway in Horizon. Maybe even intentionally so.
I mean, Ghost Recon was a huge success by just being an Ubisoft game with full four player co-op.
The only baffling decision they made is that after Unity, they tore out all the online instead of making the co-op apply to the entire game (it previously applied to only select missions).
Given the rate at which they release the games, it would be surprising if the next one wasn't already in development.
They started making the game before Unity shipped, and had already split off the multiplayer team to make Steep and the naval team to make Skull & Bones, so it was too late to course correct when they decided they wanted to be an online multiplayer company.
First Rainbow Six and The Division really took off, and then Watch Dogs 2 heavily underperformed while For Honor and Ghost Recon were way above expectations, so it changed a lot about how Ubisoft wanted to operate, and made them think less of the chances surrounding games like this. Prior, they thought based on Watch Dogs 1 that stuff like this would still work very well around the time they were greenlighting it.
That said, again, they probably won't make this all that different in the future outside of enabling the ability to play with others. I really doubt it will look like The Division or Rainbow Six as opposed to like Ghost Recon: Wildlands or Far Cry 5. People playing in singleplayer only might not even notice the difference.
BetterThanNothing
Member
It's Ubisoft. They'd murder your fucking family for pocket change.
JimmyRustler
Gold Member
Coop games with guns traditionally fare much better than the ones without. I daresay that making AC Coop centric would do more harm than good.
I honestly think that all the series needed was a bir of a timeout - which it now got. Pretty sure that Origins will sell gangbusters again.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
AssCreed 3 was the best selling one? Weird, would not have expected that.
Last Ubisoft game I played was Black Flag. After that I boycotted several Ubisoft games because of MT shenanigans.
And just because that stuff has already been in the last AC games in some form does not make it better at all. Again, quite the opposite... that shit is obviously here to stay and it's getting worse - until gamers vote with their wallets and say stop - which will be never, unfortunately. since the larger, uninformed gaming community are the most naive and gullible suckers.
Primethius
Banned
Presumably riding on the high of AC2. That is before AC3 botched like half the story. But Unity really just murdered the franchises sales pretty drastically afterwards. Ubis got no one to blame but themsleves for the mess AC is in. They made so many mistakes over the years to lose core AC fans, myself included.
It was the follow up to the Ezio trilogy, so had a lot of time (as far as AC games go anyway) to build up hype.
Saying that, I am kinda surprised 2 isn't the best selling one though.
Exploratory
Banned
Ah human nature. This thread has 2 pages. The other one that incited panic in the first place has what like 5 times as many?
petethepanda
Member
Guess I don't mind as long as it's unobstructive like the last few.
Man, it's such a bummer that the fantastic Syndicate had to follow up the Unity clusterfuck.
JimmyRustler
Gold Member
It finished the modern day story. People wanted to know how it ended.
That being said, one other thing I would say contributed to the serie's demise is how much Ubisoft straight up neglected the modern day plot as it really is what kept the story together for a long time. Hope they fix this again with Origins.
It had years of hype train, built goodwill from the past 3 entries, the promise of finishing the main narrative (which it didn't) , a new great looking engine, a killer marketing strategy and of course it took place in America.
IV should have been the best seller, but people really disliked 3. It was a bunch of unfulfilled promises.
Hamster Plugin
Member
There is only one time in the Assassin's Creed series where microtransactions have been mandatory. That is in AC Unity, and the game gives you enough free Helix Credits to make that one purchase without spending real money (if you spent that free helix on something else, then you're screwed though).
The mandatory purchase is the one that reveals all chests and cockades on the map. You will never get platinum without buying that.
The mandatory purchase is the one that reveals all chests and cockades on the map. You will never get platinum without buying that.
brickarts295
Member
Shit was hype yo. Native Protagonist, American Revolution Setting, End of Desmond storyline and the whole 2012 end of the world shebang.
I actually ended up liking AC3 in the end and even got the painfully hard platinum but it was a disappointment in certain places. Development for the game was rough so I was surprised the game turned out as okay as it did.
NullPointer
Member
This could be fine. I only ever ran into a grind problem with Black Flag, and that was because the story was gated at parts by way of specific ship upgrades.
They sell these expensive XP and accelerators for Ghost Recon Wildlands and those must be the most useless microtransactions I've ever seen. The game has a leveling system, but its so shallow (in a good way, especially since its co-op) and unnecessary that there's really no need to feel you have to max yourself up. All of the game's content can be beaten without leveling up, or at least I'm pretty sure now that I'm about 80% through.
I'd rather these things not exist at all because of the incentives they bring to warp game design, but I haven't seen it as an issue yet in their games that I've played. Beyond Black Flag that is.
Yep. But in the Ubi games I've personally played a lot of these accelerators felt truly superfluous.
They sell these expensive XP and accelerators for Ghost Recon Wildlands and those must be the most useless microtransactions I've ever seen. The game has a leveling system, but its so shallow (in a good way, especially since its co-op) and unnecessary that there's really no need to feel you have to max yourself up. All of the game's content can be beaten without leveling up, or at least I'm pretty sure now that I'm about 80% through.
I'd rather these things not exist at all because of the incentives they bring to warp game design, but I haven't seen it as an issue yet in their games that I've played. Beyond Black Flag that is.
There was a lot of hype going for it.
-End of the modern day stuff with Desmond
-New Protagonist after 3 years of Ezio
-New setting the series had never done
-Huge overhauls to things
I enjoyed the game, but for many it was the turning point where series perception became negative, which can be seen by lowered sales and increase in dislike for the series as a whole.
hope i remember this when i remember to start playing all the ass creed games i got from GWG
PHOENIXZERO
Member
That was the first and only one I bought on release and it soured me on the series after really enjoying the Ezio games, I only have Syndicate because I got it free and enjoyed what I played though like a lot of games I got distracted and haven't gotten back to it.
Yeah, I don't get it either.
Their game economies are pretty balanced, and if you just play the game normally you are basically rolling in the in game cash.
I have no idea why they even have these time savers, unless they think people are so lazy that they won't even play their games.
I'd have been insulted by AC's microtransactions in the past, but Black Flags were so hidden I didn't even know the game had them, and Unity while disgusting with it's crates being locked of by apps, etc...
The rate you got money in it was pretty fair.
Only time I think I ever bought a microtransaction was for Syndicate with the Vampire Evie Costume, because I thought it was a cool costume. And I think it was released after the game had come out, since I bought Syndicate during the winter time at a pretty steep discount.
Ubi Quebec has been named the secondary AC studio, so I wouldn't be surprised if they are working on one now.
There were also leaked plans back in 2016 saying that Origins is the start of a new trilogy.
But I don't blame Ubi on those predictions. Unity fucking destroyed all goodwill the series had, and perception of AC is at an all time low.
Doesn't help with the relentless "We Wuz" shitposts this game seems to get.
CopperPuppy
Member
I've played BF, Unity, and Syndicate and had no idea the time-saver packs were a thing. They're completely unobtrusive and don't affect gameplay in any way.
NullPointer
Member
They don't nag you about them either, and nagging is something we're seeing a lot more of these days.
I *want* to be able to ignore microtransactions and loot boxes, but the screws and being twisted in several new games to keep them in your face.
AC economy has been in the favor of the player ever since they introduced the whole renovation thing in Brotherhood, just renovate the banks first and you are set for life.
I had like a million in-game moneys by the end of Unity with nothing to spend it on for example. I doubt that's going to change.
That's an odd definition for mandatory.
I had like a million in-game moneys by the end of Unity with nothing to spend it on for example. I doubt that's going to change.
That's an odd definition for mandatory.
VibratingDonkey
Member
Suppose this looks relatively inoffensive.
Used to just call them cheats. On PC we still do.
So he's saying that spending currency on a box containing a random item(s), is gambling. Interesting.
Accelerated Way of Playing the Game™
Used to just call them cheats. On PC we still do.
Rellik
Member
So you never crafted anything in Syndicate?
Did Syndicate have crafting?
Man, I think its a testament to how forgettable it is compared to the rest of the series that I forgot it did.
I was responding to your concern that the presence of time savers all but confirms a grindfest. The point I was making is simply that history suggests that's not the case. Perhaps Origins will represent a change for the worse, but that the game has time savers does not by itself blow the wind in any particular direction as they're not new to the series and, with the arguable exception of Unity's treasure maps not being purchasable with the historical in-game currency, none of the past implementations encourage players to part with real money by way of a noticeably compromised standard experience.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
In the context of AC none of the MTs have gotten worse, the games are still piss easy when it comes to economies. I expect Origins to be no different.
Son Of Sparda
Member
If the MT in this game is like Unity and Syndicate then I can simply ignore it. But if they design the game with a massive grind in mind so you would have to buy stuff with real money (unlikely), then no thanks Ubi.
Same with loot boxes. If they are ignoreable and you can only use in-game currency to get them (with no way to buy in-game currency with real life money), then I'm okay with it.
Same with loot boxes. If they are ignoreable and you can only use in-game currency to get them (with no way to buy in-game currency with real life money), then I'm okay with it.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
The nomad thing is actually part of the planned post launch free content in the form of daily quests.
Yui's Empire
Member
The nomad thing is actually part of the planned post launch free content in the form of daily quests.
Holy cow they're throwing all they got at it.
Megatron
Member
Wasn't it ac 2 that was missing actual chapters in the game and sold back as dlc?
The nomad thing is actually part of the planned post launch free content in the form of daily quests.
Daily quests?
Giant god boss fights?
yo fam
matrixman92
Member
i like how this thread is barely alive, and the hot take outrage thread about it in the first place with no info is almost 500 posts. Man, people love to stir up any controversy they can over assassins creed/ubisoft. Everything they are doing sounds really good to me with this game, unfortunately im waiting until the X to play it.
People want to be upset for the sake of being upset.
I bet most of the people complaining in that thread had no interest in the game, and just wanted to spew shit because a reason opened up to enable them to do it, but now that it has been cleared up, they don't want to comment.
Some people are still trying to push a narrative that these chests are the same as Mordor and BF2's loot boxes.
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