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[twinturbo2]

Holy crap, this car costs more than my house. I think I'll stick to the virtual version.

You have a cheap-ass, $80K house? :lol

 

[Kleegamefan]

OK....things have changed



So it seems that this car is much faster than I thought.....it did a 7:38.54 around the Ring, which beats my Z06 by about 4 sec!!! @_@


Furthermore, the US price has been announced and it is exactly the same price as my Z06 as well :O

http://www.nissannews.com/

LOS ANGELES (November 14, 2007) – Carlos Ghosn, president and CEO, Nissan Motor Co., today unveiled two all-new 2009 Nissan production vehicles – the Nissan Murano crossover and the Nissan GT-R – at a press conference at the 2007 Los Angeles Auto Show. The second-generation Murano, which features new exterior and interior designs, along with enhanced performance, goes on sale at Nissan dealers nationwide beginning in January 2008. The Nissan GT-R, which will be available for the first time ever in the United States beginning in June 2008, makes its North American debut at the L.A. Auto Show, following its global introduction at the Tokyo Motor Show last October.

Pricing of the 2009 Nissan GT-R was also announced – $69,850 for the Base model and $71,900 for the Premium model, which adds a standard Bose® audio system, heated seats and side air bags.

This is $15K less than I though it would be....

After learning more about the car and its abilities over at freshalloy.com, I am seriously considering trading my '06 Vette Z06 for the GTR.....

The car I REALLY wanted all along was a Porsche 997 Turbo mainly because its refined, all-around, all-year performance can't be beat...

Of course, at $122K it is nearly twice as much money as I am able to spend....the R8 was the same deal....refined all wheel drive performance with year round capability but with a $110K base price, its virtually as expensive as the Porsche



The new GTR changes all that


Japanese quality/reliability

All weather capabilty

997 Turbo trumping performance

Same price as a Corvette Z06 (actually, fully loaded the GTR is a little cheaper)


I am going to wait until next summer so I can actually drive the car, but, right now, there is an 80% chance I am getting a Premium GTR

 

[Zapages]

OK....things have changed



So it seems that this car is much faster than I thought.....it did a 7:35.54 around the Ring, which beats my Z06 by about 8 sec!!! @_@


Furthermore, the US price has been announced and it is exactly the same price as my Z06 as well :O

http://www.nissannews.com/




This is $15K less than I though it would be....

After learning more about the car and its abilities over at freshalloy.com, I am seriously considering trading my '06 Vette for the GTR.....

The car I REALLY wanted all along was a Porsche 997 Turbo mainly because its refined, all-around, all-year performance can't be beat...

Of course, at $122K it is nearly twice as much money as I am able to spend....the R8 was the same deal....refined all wheel drive performance with year round capability but with a $110K base price, its virtually as expensive as the Porsche



The new GTR changes all that


Japanese quality/reliability

All weather capabilty

997 Turbo trumping performance

Same price as a Corvette Z06 (actually, fully loaded the GTR is a little cheaper)


I am going to wait until next summer so I can actually drive the car, but, right now, there is an 80% chance I am getting a Premium GTR

Sweet... Hopefully it'll be my first real car after I get my Pharm D.

 

[rollingstart]

time to start saving up.

 

[CB3]

I saw it at the LA auto show on friday. It was love at first sight

 

[Askia47]

hopefully in a few years i can afford this car, $71,000 is pretty damn good.

 

[AlphaSnake]

11.5 seconds in the 1/4 = win. It'll slaughter my brother's M6. :lol I love it.

 

[Kleegamefan]

11.5 seconds in the 1/4 = win. It'll slaughter my brother's M6. :lol I love it.

Yeah....0-60 in 3.5sec is nothing to sneeze at either


Here is a video of the GTR doing the 7:38 run on the Ring

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uGe_fyhQazg


Here is the article about the run:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=123066



And here is the current lap time ranking of production cars at the Nürburgring Nordschleife:





7:28 - 166.652 km/h - Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walther Roehrl, (Autobild 07/04)
7:32* - 164.071 km/h – Pagani Zonda F, 650 PS/ 1230 kg, (*mfr.)
7:34 - 163.586 km/h - Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1418 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto), oct,17-18 05
7:36 - 162.631 km/h - Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (02)
7:38--2009 Nissan GT-R 35, factory test driver Toshio Suezaki
7.39* - 161.575 km/h - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, *mfr. (quote sport auto 05/06)
7:40 - 161.217 km/h – Bugatti 16/4 Veyron, 1001 PS/1980 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05)
7:40 - 161.217 km/h - Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 07/04)
7:40 - 161.217 km/h - Porsche 997 Turbo, 480 PS/ ??? kg, Michelin Cup Sport tyres (Motortrend)
7:42* - 160.519 km/h – Ford GT, 550 PS/ 1521 kg (*as indicated by Octane magazine, 11/05)
7:42.9 - 160.207 km/h - Corvette Z06, 500 PS/1319 kg, Jan Magnusen, (Sporbilen, jun,26 05)
7:43 - 160.173 km/h - Porsche 996 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Roehrl (MOTOR magazine)
7:43.5 - 160,000 km/h - Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine 02)
7:45* - 159.484 km/h - McLaren F1
7:46 - 159.142 km/h - Porsche 996 GT2, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/01)
7:48 - 158.463 km/h - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440kg (sport auto 07/06)
7.49 - 158.124 km/h - Porsche 996 GT3, 392 PS (AutoBild 2004),
7:49 - 158.124 km/h - Porsche 996 GT3 Cup, 360 PS/1207 kg (sport auto 02/99)
7:50 - 157.787 km/h - BMW E46 M3 CSL, 360 PS/1421 kg (sport auto 08/03)
7:50 - 157.787 km/h - Lamborghini Murcielago, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/02)
7:52 - 157.119 km/h – Ford GT, 550 PS/1599 kg (sport auto 02/06),
7:52 - 157.119 km/h - Lamborghini Gallardo E-gear, 493 PS/1496 kg (sport auto 12/03)
7:52 - 157.119 km/h - Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (sport auto 06/04)
7:54 - 156.456 km/h - Porsche 996 GT3 (sport auto 06/03)
7:55 - 156.126 km/h - Caterham R500 Superlight, Robert Nearn (EVO magazine 07/00)
7:55 - 156.126 km/h – Ferrari F430 F1, 490 PS/1493 kg (sport auto 01/06),
7:56 - 155.798 km/h - Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale, 425 PS/1387 kg (sport auto 02/04)
7:56 - 155.798 km/h - Porsche 996 Turbo, 420 PS/1569 kg (sport auto 06/00)
7:56.65 155.569 km/h – Lamborghini Gallardo SE, 520 PS/1560 kg, Tom Kristensen (AutoBild 02/06)
7:58 - 156.652 km/h - Audi RS4 4.2 V8 FSI, 420 PS/ 1650 kg, Frank Stippler, (10/05)
7:59 - 154.822 km/h - Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Performance”, (Walter Roehrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)
7:59* - 154.822 km/h - Chevrolet C6 Z51, company test driver Dave Hill (*mfr.)
7:59 - 154.822 km/h - Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, Dirk Schoymans (Autocar magazine 97)
7:59.41 154.690 km/h - Subaru Impreza WRX STi spec.C “prototype” (2004),
8:01.72 153.984 km/h - Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, (Best Motoring video “Carrera Invasion”)

It is quicker around the ring than a frickin Veyron!!:lol

 

[Tenacious-V]

It is quicker around the ring than a frickin Veyron!!:lol

The Veyron's claim to fame is it's top speed/straight line abilities, nothing more. There are a ton of cars with better handling that can beat it around a track.

 

[Kleegamefan]

The Veyron's claim to fame is it's top speed/straight line abilities, nothing more. There are a ton of cars with better handling that can beat it around a track.

Yes, of course....


Still, the GTR is HUGELY capable seeing as how it smokes a 997 turbo, My Z06 and even a McLaren F1 around the ring....


I said wow...

 

[TheOMan]

Yes, of course....


Still, the GTR is HUGELY capable seeing as how it smokes a 997 turbo, My Z06 and even a McLaren F1 around the ring....


I said wow...

Crazy, eh? I cannot wait! If/when you end up getting one, we'll meet up and do a track day!

I hope blue is available by the time I can actually get one (summer 2009 methinks).

I still can't believe how much performance you get for that price. Insane.

EDIT: Oh yeah, there's a much lighter, and probably faster version rumoured to be waiting in the wings (the Spec V if I remember right).

Forum <- that's the forum I frequent for all my GT-R news. This thing sounds soooo good.

 

[Core407]

A V-Spec version of the GTR will come out in '11 with more power and a lighter curb weight.

 

[AlphaSnake]

P.S. 473HP is what the GT-R actually has to its wheels. Not the crank! Which means the motor is actually putting out somewhere close to 540HP.

O_O

 

[miyuru]

Sweet... Hopefully it'll be my first real car after I get my Pharm D.

Nice you're doing pharmacy as well? In the States I'm assuming?

 

[twinturbo2]

P.S. 473HP is what the GT-R actually has to its wheels. Not the crank! Which means the motor is actually putting out somewhere close to 540HP.

O_O

You claimed that NFS ProStreet would have the Bugatti Veyron, yet it isn't there. You have some 'splainin to do!

Oh, and I went to the Miami Beach Auto Show this weekend and saw the Bumblebee Camaro up close and personal. I know which car I'm lusting after.

 

[Kleegamefan]

A V-Spec version of the GTR will come out in '11 with more power and a lighter curb weight.

Yeah, but that car will most likely be $90K....


997 Turbo-beating performance is good enough for me....I will get some mods if I need the extra performance

 

[Zapages]

Nice you're doing pharmacy as well? In the States I'm assuming?

I'm applying this year as a transfer student after I finish my double BS in Biology and Biochemistry...

 

[miyuru]

I'm applying this year as a transfer student after I finish my double BS in Biology and Biochemistry...

Right on, I'm doing it in Canada so I'm going for a BSc Pharm (I'm making the assumption that you're in the States). We have the option to go for a Pharm D, which is another 2 years after you get your BSc.

Regardless, yes big investments like cars are things I look forward to haha. How much do you make in the States as a pharmacist?

 

[twinturbo2]

I'd rather have this than the GT-R. It won't go fast around the Green Hell, but it sure as hell can do one smokey burnout.

 

[Kleegamefan]

P.S. 473HP is what the GT-R actually has to its wheels. Not the crank! Which means the motor is actually putting out somewhere close to 540HP.

O_O

Are you sure about this Alpha?

This would go a LONG way towards explaining the GTRs mega performance....because it is posting numbers WAY BEYOND what its power/lb ratio would suggest...


The car weights ~3800lbs yet smokes 997 turbos that have the same amount of hp but weight less

 

[fart]

alpha is completely full of shit.

the gt-r is fast for all the reasons you would expect: careful engineering and a fuckload of control systems.

ps, porsche puts the engine in the wrong damn place and the corvette still runs rear leaf springs
LOZL

 

[Fallout-NL]

Yeah....0-60 in 3.5sec is nothing to sneeze at either


Here is a video of the GTR doing the 7:38 run on the Ring

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uGe_fyhQazg

Holy fuck, that's a fast car.

 

[thesoapster]

Holy fuck, that's a fast car.

7:28.8 - Yamaha YZF-R1 "The Baron" Performance Bikes Magazine October 2007

$11.7k

Spoiler

sorry, had to

 

[twinturbo2]

alpha is completely full of shit.

the gt-r is fast for all the reasons you would expect: careful engineering and a fuckload of control systems.

ps, porsche puts the engine in the wrong damn place and the corvette still runs rear leaf springs
LOZL

A fuckload of control systems is not good in a performance car. It should be all about the driver's skill, not the traction control saving his ass. The McLaren F1 has no control systems, not even anti-lock brakes, for a reason.

ps, real Porsches (except for the 928) have the engine out back, and the Corvette nearly runs 1G on the skidpad with those rear leaf springs, anyways.

 

[Sqrt_minus_one]

A fuckload of control systems is not good in a performance car. It should be all about the driver's skill, not the traction control saving his ass. The McLaren F1 has no control systems, not even anti-lock brakes, for a reason.

ps, real Porsches (except for the 928) have the engine out back, and the Corvette nearly runs 1G on the skidpad with those rear leaf springs, anyways.

I think his porshe comments are more to do with some journos complaining that there is little weight over the front.

 

[Sqrt_minus_one]

Yeah....0-60 in 3.5sec is nothing to sneeze at either


Here is a video of the GTR doing the 7:38 run on the Ring

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uGe_fyhQazg


Here is the article about the run:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=123066



And here is the current lap time ranking of production cars at the Nürburgring Nordschleife:





7:28 - 166.652 km/h - Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walther Roehrl, (Autobild 07/04)
7:32* - 164.071 km/h – Pagani Zonda F, 650 PS/ 1230 kg, (*mfr.)
7:34 - 163.586 km/h - Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1418 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto), oct,17-18 05
7:36 - 162.631 km/h - Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (02)
7:38--2009 Nissan GT-R 35, factory test driver Toshio Suezaki
7.39* - 161.575 km/h - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, *mfr. (quote sport auto 05/06)
7:40 - 161.217 km/h – Bugatti 16/4 Veyron, 1001 PS/1980 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05)
7:40 - 161.217 km/h - Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 07/04)
7:40 - 161.217 km/h - Porsche 997 Turbo, 480 PS/ ??? kg, Michelin Cup Sport tyres (Motortrend)
7:42* - 160.519 km/h – Ford GT, 550 PS/ 1521 kg (*as indicated by Octane magazine, 11/05)
7:42.9 - 160.207 km/h - Corvette Z06, 500 PS/1319 kg, Jan Magnusen, (Sporbilen, jun,26 05)
7:43 - 160.173 km/h - Porsche 996 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Roehrl (MOTOR magazine)
7:43.5 - 160,000 km/h - Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine 02)
7:45* - 159.484 km/h - McLaren F1
7:46 - 159.142 km/h - Porsche 996 GT2, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/01)
7:48 - 158.463 km/h - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440kg (sport auto 07/06)
7.49 - 158.124 km/h - Porsche 996 GT3, 392 PS (AutoBild 2004),
7:49 - 158.124 km/h - Porsche 996 GT3 Cup, 360 PS/1207 kg (sport auto 02/99)
7:50 - 157.787 km/h - BMW E46 M3 CSL, 360 PS/1421 kg (sport auto 08/03)
7:50 - 157.787 km/h - Lamborghini Murcielago, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/02)
7:52 - 157.119 km/h – Ford GT, 550 PS/1599 kg (sport auto 02/06),
7:52 - 157.119 km/h - Lamborghini Gallardo E-gear, 493 PS/1496 kg (sport auto 12/03)
7:52 - 157.119 km/h - Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (sport auto 06/04)
7:54 - 156.456 km/h - Porsche 996 GT3 (sport auto 06/03)
7:55 - 156.126 km/h - Caterham R500 Superlight, Robert Nearn (EVO magazine 07/00)
7:55 - 156.126 km/h – Ferrari F430 F1, 490 PS/1493 kg (sport auto 01/06),
7:56 - 155.798 km/h - Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale, 425 PS/1387 kg (sport auto 02/04)
7:56 - 155.798 km/h - Porsche 996 Turbo, 420 PS/1569 kg (sport auto 06/00)
7:56.65 155.569 km/h – Lamborghini Gallardo SE, 520 PS/1560 kg, Tom Kristensen (AutoBild 02/06)
7:58 - 156.652 km/h - Audi RS4 4.2 V8 FSI, 420 PS/ 1650 kg, Frank Stippler, (10/05)
7:59 - 154.822 km/h - Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Performance”, (Walter Roehrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)
7:59* - 154.822 km/h - Chevrolet C6 Z51, company test driver Dave Hill (*mfr.)
7:59 - 154.822 km/h - Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, Dirk Schoymans (Autocar magazine 97)
7:59.41 154.690 km/h - Subaru Impreza WRX STi spec.C “prototype” (2004),
8:01.72 153.984 km/h - Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, (Best Motoring video “Carrera Invasion”)

It is quicker around the ring than a frickin Veyron!!:lol

Some of those differences are down to the driver and/or track conditions.

 

[twinturbo2]

I think his porshe comments are more to do with some journos complaining that there is little weight over the front.

Those journos must be from Consumer Reports...

 

[Sqrt_minus_one]

Those journos must be from Consumer Reports...

Hammond/Hamster on Top Gear said as much when testing the GT3. Said they had sorted it out though.

 

[twinturbo2]

Hammond/Hamster on Top Gear said as much when testing the GT3. Said they had sorted it out though.

Tail-happy handling is part of the joy of a Porsche. It's a defining characteristic, like the exhaust note of a Ferrari.

 

[Fallout-NL]

7:28.8 - Yamaha YZF-R1 "The Baron" Performance Bikes Magazine October 2007



$11.7k

Spoiler

sorry, had to

Hehe preaching to the choir, I love riding around on my motorcycle (though my Ducati Monster isn't quite as fast as an R1). I just don't know if I'm brave/dumb enough to do something like the Nurburgring on a motorcycle.



And damnit it must be good to be an American. $11.7k for that is a fucking steal. 21.300 dollars here in Europe (14.450 euros).

 

[Hyoushi]

7:28.8 - Yamaha YZF-R1 "The Baron" Performance Bikes Magazine October 2007

$11.7k

Spoiler

sorry, had to

Ehm, but that time didn't include the full straight if I remember correctly. Only timed to the truss at the start of the straight.

 

[Kleegamefan]

I also own a 2004 Liquid Silver Yammy R1:lol :lol :lol


Do a search, if you dont belive me

Crazy, eh? I cannot wait! If/when you end up getting one, we'll meet up and do a track day!

I hope blue is available by the time I can actually get one (summer 2009 methinks).

I still can't believe how much performance you get for that price. Insane.

EDIT: Oh yeah, there's a much lighter, and probably faster version rumoured to be waiting in the wings (the Spec V if I remember right).

Forum <- that's the forum I frequent for all my GT-R news. This thing sounds soooo good.

O Man...thanks for the link....I usually get my newz at freshalloy.com but thisll do

 

[GamePnoy74]

Just wanted to share some pics I took of the GT-R at the LA Auto Show...pics don't do it justice:

I think I'm in love with it =)

If I could afford this car, though, I'd think I'd patiently wait for a Spec V version (there's a Nismo EVO version that's rumored to come out as well, but that'll easily top 6 digits...) Beautiful car, nonetheless.

 

[fart]

A fuckload of control systems is not good in a performance car. It should be all about the driver's skill, not the traction control saving his ass. The McLaren F1 has no control systems, not even anti-lock brakes, for a reason.

oh please, don't give me that shit. do you calculate optimal a/f ratios on a slide rule while you're driving and input the result to your fuel injection system as you drive? how the fuck do you think that shit is done, magic?

also, the mclaren f1 can only be driven without flying into god knows what by a few people in the entire fucking world. just like you or i would pretty much kill ourselves instantly if we were plunked into a top rung open wheeler.

electronic handling control systems (note that mechanical control systems are FUNDAMENTAL to how cars work already, period) have a bad rap because of idiots like you, but also because with few exceptions (NISSAN) they were handled very clumsily for a long time. that time is pretty much ending. the gt-rs, evos and ferraris of the world are putting the kibosh on that.

ps, real Porsches (except for the 928) have the engine out back, and the Corvette nearly runs 1G on the skidpad with those rear leaf springs, anyways.

porsche has managed to mitigate the handling problems inherent in their engine placement, but they do this largely by: never being able to make a motor larger or heavier than their flat 6, and doing other ridiculous, exotic things. why do you think the 911 engines are dry sump? none of this changes the fact that if they moved the motor forward, the car could probably achieve better dynamic balance.

also, understand the difference between grip and dynamics. how to increase grip: huge soft fuck off rubber. how to improve dynamics: size/geometry, weight/balance, suspension design, and OH LOOK AT THAT, ELECTRONIC HANDLING ASSIST.

summary: the gt-r is faster than it looks because computers are smarter than you. and by you, i mean twinturbo2.

 

[twinturbo2]

oh please, don't give me that shit. do you calculate optimal a/f ratios on a slide rule while you're driving and input the result to your fuel injection system as you drive? how the fuck do you think that shit is done, magic?

also, the mclaren f1 can only be driven without flying into god knows what by a few people in the entire fucking world. just like you or i would pretty much kill ourselves instantly if we were plunked into a top rung open wheeler.

electronic handling control systems (note that mechanical control systems are FUNDAMENTAL to how cars work already, period) have a bad rap because of idiots like you, but also because with few exceptions (NISSAN) they were handled very clumsily for a long time. that time is pretty much ending. the gt-rs, evos and ferraris of the world are putting the kibosh on that.

porsche has managed to mitigate the handling problems inherent in their engine placement, but they do this largely by: never being able to make a motor larger or heavier than their flat 6, and doing other ridiculous, exotic things. why do you think the 911 engines are dry sump? none of this changes the fact that if they moved the motor forward, the car could probably achieve better dynamic balance.

also, understand the difference between grip and dynamics. how to increase grip: huge soft fuck off rubber. how to improve dynamics: size/geometry, weight/balance, suspension design, and OH LOOK AT THAT, ELECTRONIC HANDLING ASSIST.

summary: the gt-r is faster than it looks because computers are smarter than you. and by you, i mean twinturbo2.

I grew up loving American muscle cars, so that probably shaped my opinion there. I know that I'm not the only one thinking this: after all, most reputable car mags turn off the traction control and stability control when testing for a reason. If it's a front wheel drive car like the Mini Cooper S, then yeah, electronic aids are okay if they minimize torque steer, but otherwise, where's the pleasure in driving a sports car with ABS, TCS, SMS, AWD, and other alphabet soup gizmos? Formula 1 banned traction control, NASCAR never had traction control, hell, most other forms of motorsport ban traction control because it should be all about the driver, not some freaking computer.

And yes, I do understand that Ferraris have traction control and the like, but if Enzo was alive today, he'd be ashamed of his namesake company if there wasn't a switch to turn that crap off. All the computer aids in the world are no substitution for driver skill.

 

[greatestjediever]

7:28.8 - Yamaha YZF-R1 "The Baron" Performance Bikes Magazine October 2007

$11.7k

Spoiler

sorry, had to

Hey, hey. Isn't that a GSX-R in your profile pic?

 

[SteveMeister]

It's an amazing car, no doubt -- but I'm not a fan of the design. Too rice-rocket for me, especially with that wing. Lots of awkward details.

 

[twinturbo2]

Uh-oh...
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/11/21/nissan-cant-prevent-gt-r-markups-at-dealer-level/

 

[fart]

I grew up loving American muscle cars, so that probably shaped my opinion there. I know that I'm not the only one thinking this: after all, most reputable car mags turn off the traction control and stability control when testing for a reason. If it's a front wheel drive car like the Mini Cooper S, then yeah, electronic aids are okay if they minimize torque steer, but otherwise, where's the pleasure in driving a sports car with ABS, TCS, SMS, AWD, and other alphabet soup gizmos? Formula 1 banned traction control, NASCAR never had traction control, hell, most other forms of motorsport ban traction control because it should be all about the driver, not some freaking computer.

And yes, I do understand that Ferraris have traction control and the like, but if Enzo was alive today, he'd be ashamed of his namesake company if there wasn't a switch to turn that crap off. All the computer aids in the world are no substitution for driver skill.

hey and while we're at it why don't we all drive body-less tube frame cars with motorcycle engines, no windshields and small offset metal triangles for seats? BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH A THING AS A COMPROMISE YOU FUCKING RETARD.

 

[twinturbo2]

hey and while we're at it why don't we all drive body-less tube frame cars with motorcycle engines, no windshields and small offset metal triangles for seats? BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH A THING AS A COMPROMISE YOU FUCKING RETARD.

Compromise is such a dirty word for a sports car. Colin Chapman should rise from his grave, go to your home, and slap you across the face for saying that. Compromise? For a Toyota Camry, that's fine, but for a high-performance sports car, that should be the last thing on the minds of engineers.

 

[Vinzer Deling]

I grew up loving American muscle cars

driver skill.

takes a lot of skill to drive in a straight line.

 

[twinturbo2]

takes a lot of skill to drive in a straight line.

Dude, you've never seen vintage Trans-Am racing, have you?

 

[Vinzer Deling]

Dude, you've never seen vintage Trans-Am racing, have you?

yes, in a straight line.

 

[fart]

you're so stupid, i'm actually a little shocked.

 

[thesoapster]

Ehm, but that time didn't include the full straight if I remember correctly. Only timed to the truss at the start of the straight.

Ah yes, that is true. I'm not sure if the R1 can do the fastest lap among the liter bikes...or if something even bigger could do the lap faster. Still, the best time up on Wikipedia for the motorcycle (they said it's ~22 seconds difference) is for a much less expensive machine. Many of the cars that are ahead of it are either a) very expensive and crazy or b) very expensive and not even close to being able to be driven on the road (and crazier yet). Though it is pretty impressive what the GT-R can do for its price in comparison to the cars near it in the list. I wonder how something truly nuts like the Ducati Desmosedici RR (which is supposed to be something like a street legal race replica) would do.

And yes, I know I have a Gixxer Thou as my avatar . Of the liter bikes currently out, it is the one I would buy (though I need to find out more about the new CBR1000RR and ZX-10R).

Since when do Gaffers ride motorcycles? :lol I was expecting a total wave of motorcycle hate.

 

[twinturbo2]

yes, in a straight line.

There's turns in vintage Trans-Am racing, you know. Left AND right turns.

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

Compromise is such a dirty word for a sports car. Colin Chapman should rise from his grave, go to your home, and slap you across the face for saying that. Compromise? For a Toyota Camry, that's fine, but for a high-performance sports car, that should be the last thing on the minds of engineers.

... I'm glad your ethos of what a sports car means hasn't extended to the manufacturers of these cars.

A full thoroughbred racing vehicle on the otherhand... well I agree with your notion.

But why should racing vehicles need to conform to standard vehicle regulations?

Well.... they don't! So they're used mainly only for track and racing!

For everyone else... there are sports cars. And by everyone else, I mean people with a huge variance of driver skill and ability. Most of whom will never ever be able to exploit the kind of power available in road legal supercars, without spinning out and crashing.

 

[twinturbo2]

For everyone else... there are sports cars. And by everyone else, I mean people with a huge variance of driver skill and ability. Most of whom will never ever be able to exploit the kind of power available in road legal supercars, without spinning out and crashing.

For everyone else, they can just drive a Scion xB or a Hyundai Sonata. Or go to a Skip Barber class or two.

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

For everyone else, they can just drive a Scion xB or a Hyundai Sonata. Or go to a Skip Barber class or two.

Maybe if you were less of a patronizing dumb shit, people would stop treating you as one.

 

[fart]

really fast guys don't give a shit what's helping them go really fast -- they just hate it when something slows them down. the only people who talk about this driving purist shit are bench racers and auto journos, who are second only to video game journos in the completely fucking worthless contest. and that includes pulitzer-prize-winning-dan-neil-of-the-LA-times dan neil.