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Atlus' dungeon crawler "Baroque": what's the word?
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Death_Born
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It sucks.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
Arde5643 said:
Nintendo Power gave it a 30/100 and Both versions already came out in Japan, where it was universally panned
Ninja Scooter
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the word is boring.
Community Forum
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If it sucks so much why is Atlus bringing it out in the US?
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
SHOTEH FOCK OP said:
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Death_Born
Banned
Arde5643 said:
Etrian Odyssey is nothing like Shiren the Wanderer. And the reason they got bad reviews wasn't because the core gameplay sucked but because they were incredibly hard and had lackluster graphics. Of course, the graphics don't matter as much if you're on a handheld and if they speed up gameplay.
JoshuaJSlone
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Buuuuuuuuurn
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Deleted member 30609
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95% of GAF haven't played, trust no one.
It's shit.
From what I've seen and heard it appears to be your standard 7 out of 10 sort of game. But it's also a dungeon crawler and has a nice art style, so as far as I'm concerned it's worth picking up. A lot of people seem to be hating on it because apparently the Saturn version had better music, and because of this we're supposed to discount the new versions.
Anyway, I wouldn't put much stock in anything you hear until later this week when people buy it and actually play it (and thus can give educated opinions).
Anyway, I wouldn't put much stock in anything you hear until later this week when people buy it and actually play it (and thus can give educated opinions).
Prime crotch
Banned
Read this http://hg101.classicgaming.gamespy.com/sting/sting2.htm it covers all the Baroque versions even the remake.
Hmm... the Hardcore Gaming article makes it seem like the soundtrack is crap, but www.kotowari.org seemed to very much like it.
crowphoenix
Banned
I really want this game to be good. Not only am I a sucker for a good dungeon crawler, the plot and setting just sound so interesting, but with FES and Kart coming out this month, it'll be hard to justify the purchase.
This article, along with many posters here I feel, seem to miss one very important aspect of the game.Prime crotch said:
It's a roguelike. It's not a typical dungeon crawler, that much is certain, but it definitely appears to be a roguelike, albeit a fully 3D action-y roguelike at that.
I've even read that dying to advance the plot or open up more levels is required. All this sounds good on paper but we'll see.
However seeing as how roguelikes are never rated well, I wouldn't be surprised if this got 5s or lower.
pancakesandsex
Member
I have it on pre order, so i'll be posting impressions when it comes in.
ethelred said:
Yeah, probably.
Anyway, this thread should have been made three or so days from now, when the game comes out. Plenty of people (such as myself) are already planning on buying the game since it looks like a decent dungeon crawler, so we can give more educated opinions then, instead of condemning a game that (almost) none of us have played.
crowphoenix
Banned
Saitou said:
Ok, I know this is going to make me sound uninformed, but what exactly are the defining characteristics of a rouguelike? I've played a lot of dungeon crawlers, but I don't think I've ever seen that term before.
discoalucard
i am a butthurt babby that can only drool in wonder at shiney objects
Saitou said:
It's certainly no Shiren, if that's what you're implying. The game doesn't move fast enough nor are the scenarios interesting enough. It's not bad, but the drawing point is definitely the atmosphere and cryptic story. The music was also worthwhile too in the original games, but
the remake soundtrack is very, very banal.
crowphoenix said:
Three recent roguelikes:
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games (which actually are seeing their sequels release in NA this month)
Izuna (they said they were making a sequel to this as well sometime last year)
Shiren the Wanderer (the official thread for this is jumping on the front page every so often)
All three were released on DS (with one of the Pokemon Mystery Dungeons releasing on GBA as one of their version colors). You can look up the games for their mechanics and watch a couple videos to quickly get the idea of how they play.
Also remember that the above three are inherently turn based. Baroque plans to be a real time action game.
discoalucard
i am a butthurt babby that can only drool in wonder at shiney objects
Basic aspects of a (Japanese) rogue-like:
-Randomly generated dungeons and items
-(kinda sorta) Permadeath. Some games let you keep items and stuff if they're stored, but when you die, you have to start from the beginning of the dungeon at level one.
-Unidentified items, requiring that you try out an item before you use it, or try to find some way to identify it
There are a couple of other aspects but those are the big ones. And Baroque definitely falls into that category.
-Randomly generated dungeons and items
-(kinda sorta) Permadeath. Some games let you keep items and stuff if they're stored, but when you die, you have to start from the beginning of the dungeon at level one.
-Unidentified items, requiring that you try out an item before you use it, or try to find some way to identify it
There are a couple of other aspects but those are the big ones. And Baroque definitely falls into that category.
crowphoenix
Banned
So, would it be safe to assume Azure Dreams was a rougelike? Because that's one of my favorite dungeon crawlers ever made. If Shiren is like that, I have been a fool not picking it up.
discoalucard
i am a butthurt babby that can only drool in wonder at shiney objects
Yes, Azure Dreams is a rogue-like.
Shiren blows it away, IMO, so you should almost definitely grab that.
Shiren blows it away, IMO, so you should almost definitely grab that.
crowphoenix
Banned
discoalucard said:
Yeah, I think I shall go do that. You guys just helped me learn a very important term for my gaming tastes. Thanks a ton.
underfooter
Banned
Break both your thumbs then snort a painful amount of water in your noise.
That's Baroque.
That's Baroque.
Maybe it's is just a WANNABE, but Baroque sounds like a dark real-time take on something like Mystery Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer, at least this is what I'm banking on as I pick it up tomorrow or the next day (I know you can't USUALLY get a game on it's release date but Gamestop CLAIMS it is already shipping out today).
I think a lot of the dissing is because it is being billed as an ACTION RPG. Yes the game is in real-time but two whole different attacks with no combo system leaves it far out of the league of something like God of War or Devil May Cry.
I think a lot of the dissing is because it is being billed as an ACTION RPG. Yes the game is in real-time but two whole different attacks with no combo system leaves it far out of the league of something like God of War or Devil May Cry.
Witchfinder General
punched Wheelchair Mike
I'm *this* close to ordering a new copy off eBay.
I know the game won't be easy per se but what is the save system like? Can I save in the 'dungeon' area or only when I'm outside it?
I know the game won't be easy per se but what is the save system like? Can I save in the 'dungeon' area or only when I'm outside it?
Witchfinder General
punched Wheelchair Mike
Will I need a guide to play this?
Also, can your character level up?
Also, can your character level up?
straydog1980
Banned
I'm picking this up today, will have impressions tomorrow or the next day.
I am an ass slave for ATLUS as they've never let me down. I've never bought an ATLUS game and not enjoyed it, so.......
we'll see!
I am an ass slave for ATLUS as they've never let me down. I've never bought an ATLUS game and not enjoyed it, so.......
we'll see!
Witchfinder General said:
Sure, he levels up all over the place!
It's just that his experience is only temporary for that run (i.e. until he dies or leaves the tower)
What is often lost when folk hear the "Death = loss of all experience and items", is that this is a very streamlined quick moving game, not that it is all arcadey, but that the tower levels don't take that long to traverse, your character levels very quickly, and that a successful dungeon run might only take an hour or so.
Not only does your character level quickly, there are no skills or attribute points to play around with as you level. I can only assume there is some little graphic or sound effect to indicate they you have leveled but it doesn't break up the gameplay, just something cute in the background. Each level you gain gives you more hit points and allows you to deal more damage. This is also not to say your experience level is irrelevant, if you tried to dive too deep without properly leveling you'll be dog food, but just that it isn't that, "everything stops for a few minutes as I read over the skills I could put points into or think about which of my stats I should build at this point". Not only does the character not have any innate skills (all cool powers come from your items), but that none of the items will have any of the standard, "you need this strength or experience level to use this item". If you find it you can use it. I think they balance all of this by having your experience level figure in heavily in attack and defense (so it isn't just based on the items themselves) and maybe having the more powerful magic items with very limited uses, extra rare, or maybe only found much deeper in the tower (it's a tower but you are going down, like some dungeon...I don't get it myself).
straydog1980
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cpro said:
dude thanks for this site. I downloaded the Baroque soundtrack from there and I have to say.....it's pretty good? Why are people bitching about the music?
I was interested in the game until I watched some gameplay videos the other day.
My GOD does the combat look terrible. The main character looked like he was sliding around whenever he targeted a new enemy, and it was all just the same old 3 hit combo over and over and over with maybe a few spells mixed in.
I would think the combat system would not look so clunky in a roguelike. Haven't played it yet, of course, but those vids were just a huge downer for me.
My GOD does the combat look terrible. The main character looked like he was sliding around whenever he targeted a new enemy, and it was all just the same old 3 hit combo over and over and over with maybe a few spells mixed in.
I would think the combat system would not look so clunky in a roguelike. Haven't played it yet, of course, but those vids were just a huge downer for me.