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Batman and Robin is a great movie

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BlackGoku03 said:
Knowing this, how the fuck can anyone in their right mind say anything good about Batman and Robin? How can anyone say Batman Begins, an almost perfect origins story, be boring?

Wow.
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Because it was uninteresting and slow?
 
BlackGoku03 said:
Exactly!

I read Year One and the Long Halloween again last month... the first time in years. If nothing else, Combichristoffersen and G-Fex need to read these graphic novels to obtain a better understanding of what Batman is. These stories will grant a better understanding of Batman, Gotham City, and the characters living in it.

Knowing this, how the fuck can anyone in their right mind say anything good about Batman and Robin? How can anyone say Batman Begins, an almost perfect origins story, be boring?

Wow.
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It's not even like cheesy Batman can't work. Batman: Brave and the Bold is filled to the brim with bright colors and endless cheese (with callbacks to the West TV series, Challenge of the Super Friends, and Richard Donnor's Superman) and its writing is a million times better than what Schumacher put on film.
 
Sho_Nuff82 said:
It's not even like cheesy Batman can't work. Batman: Brave and the Bold is filled to the brim with bright colors and endless cheese (with callbacks to the West TV series, Challenge of the Super Friends, and Richard Donnor's Superman) and its writing is a million times better than what Schumacher put on film.
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True. But The brave and the Bold was well written, paced, and the costumes made sense even though it doesn't quite match the tone of the Batman universe in the past 20 to 30 years.

Professor Beef said:
Because it was uninteresting and slow?
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I'm sorry, but you're not providing much to back your claim. A question doesn't count.

Let me say that BB has depth, character developement, and focuses on story--how a man can be driven to dress like a bat and beat criminals with his bare hands.
 
BlackGoku03 said:
Exactly!

I read Year One and the Long Halloween again last month... the first time in years. If nothing else, Combichristoffersen and G-Fex need to read these graphic novels to obtain a better understanding of what Batman is. These stories will grant a better understanding of Batman, Gotham City, and the characters living in it.

Knowing this, how the fuck can anyone in their right mind say anything good about Batman and Robin? How can anyone say Batman Begins, an almost perfect origins story, be boring?

Wow.
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1. Long Halloween is easily one of the best pieces of literature of all time and should be required reading for every grade level.

2. I get this from some of my friends a lot. They just don't seem to understand that the movie isn't a mindless action movie and it really bothers me when they say it's terrible. Honestly, I feel BB is a better film than TDK even.
 
BlackGoku03 said:
I'm sorry, but you're not providing much to back your claim. A question doesn't count.

Let me say that BB has depth, character developement, and focuses on story--how a man can be driven to dress like a bat and beat criminals with his bare hands.
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There are better ways to do an origin movie without boring the audience. Hell, Spider-Man 1 did it, even though people might consider it a "worse" film than BB.
 
Professor Beef said:
There are better ways to do an origin movie without boring the audience. Hell, Spider-Man 1 did it, even though people might consider it a "worse" film than BB.
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You just keep saying it's boring. What was boring? Spiderman 1 was a good film, yes, but Spiderman is a lot different than Batman. They have nothing to do with each other.

I'll ask again, what was boring? What didn't keep your interest? What were you expecting?

If Batman Begins was boring to you, I'd hate to hear what you think of other films.
 
cacophony said:
It's my favorite Batman movie. I like Batman Forever too. Would watch either over boring TDK any day.
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Everybody knows ledger only got a Oscar for dying, nicholson was a far better joker
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The thing about Begins is that it's dreadfully boring the entire way through.
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BlackGoku03 said:
You just keep saying it's boring. What was boring? Spiderman 1 was a good film, yes, but Spiderman is a lot different than Batman. They have nothing to do with each other.

I'll ask again, what was boring? What didn't keep your interest? What were you expecting?

If Batman Begins was boring to you, I'd hate to hear what you think of other films.
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The entirety of the origin story was boring. Sleep-inducing. I don't give two shits about Bruce Wayne, I want to see Batman fuck someone up. I should've picked up on it from the trailers, but I didn't think it would take up most of the movie. I could be wrong. I've only seen it once, many years ago. But I have absolutely no urge to sit through it again.

Dark Knight wasn't boring, except for maybe the "use every cell phone as a camera" scene. I haven't seen Batman 1, 2, and Forever in maybe a decade, so they would need rewatching.
 
Professor Beef said:
The entirety of the origin story was boring. Sleep-inducing. I don't give two shits about Bruce Wayne, I want to see Batman fuck someone up. I should've picked up on it from the trailers, but I didn't think it would take up most of the movie.
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This is why we get movies series like Transformers.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
This is why we get movies series like Transformers.
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I liked Transformers despite the fact that it was a massive turd because it looked like the entire cast was having fun on-camera. You wouldn't be able to pay me enough to watch the second or third films. One was enough.
 
I think Batman Forever is a decent flick, except for Harvey Dent magically turning white over the course of two films.
 
The only thing i remember about that movie, Alicia Silverstone looked like my girlfriend at that time...other than that i can remember that shitty movie...
 
BlackGoku03 said:
Exactly!

I read Year One and the Long Halloween again last month... the first time in years. If nothing else, Combichristoffersen and G-Fex need to read these graphic novels to obtain a better understanding of what Batman is. These stories will grant a better understanding of Batman, Gotham City, and the characters living in it.

Knowing this, how the fuck can anyone in their right mind say anything good about Batman and Robin? How can anyone say Batman Begins, an almost perfect origins story, be boring?

Wow.
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Son i've read Long Halloween probably long before you did and I love it and it's by far my favorite Batman story, next to it are HUSH and Dark Victory.

I love Batman stories I love Batman lore I love Brave and the Bold TV show which is one of my favorite Batman cartoons since it's so damn great and a hell of a tribute to Batman history and not a insult to it.

Is that to say that the 60's show is a insult? No it's pretty much live action silver age, it's a part of Batman history. I can see everyone not wanting that for the main Batman film series though.

I love the '89 film cause before that I only knew of 60's batman and that movie made me do a while 180 on the Batman character turned him into a major badass into my eyes, those movies were great I love how burton did it I really really do.

I am not a big huge fan of Nolan's films though, they're not bad I just haven't enjoyed them as much as I've enjoyed the original burton films.

I have more fun and enjoyment with the campy shumacher movies. What do you want a apology?
 
I'm pretty certain that Jim Carrey screwed up and thought of "The Trickster" when asked to play "The Riddler". Blah blah blah yeah I know about campy Riddler from Adam West, but seriously who the hell wants that as their Riddler of choice.

Gimmie Animated series Riddler or something like the Arkham Asylum/comic book Riddler any day compared to the slops those campy shows, cartoons and 90's movies tried to feed us. I mean honestly why would a thinking criminal be a buffoon? He wasn't mad...he was an ego case. :D
 
Gorshin was so much better dresser as Riddler.

I always wondered who thought it was great to have shiny spandex riddler outfits.

Then watching the behind the scenes of B&R and Batman Forever I found out that the fashion design and wardrobe were all just ...fashionistas and came up with the most fashionable designs for the costumes rather than basing them accurately on the comic.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qP-NglUeZU

Best theme ever? Also, I want more 60s Batman and less Nolanman.

Sho_Nuff82 said:
Then how can you comment on what makes a good Batman movie? Nolan heavily borrowed from Year One and The Long Halloween in order to craft his movies. Burton's movies inspired the Animated Series, which is widely considered one of the finest cartoons of the 90s and the definitive interpretation of the character. Schumacker's films were a desperate call back to the Adam West show combined with a bunch of unintelligible crap, and B&R is an absolutely broken film that doesn't even come close to succeeding in writing, action, costume work, or its portrayal of any of the three complex villains that it tries to tackle. It's a failure of a film that not only nearly killed the bat-franchise, it nearly killed superhero movies, period.
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I was commenting based on the Batman comics I'd read. Some of them were were comics that portrayed Batman as a serious character (specifically one where Bruce Wayne got addicted to pain killers, can't remember its name), but I always preferred the cheesier, campier and more far-fetched stories (Gotham by Gaslight is one of favourite comics, with Batman chasing Jack the Ripper in Gotham). I should really watch the animated series again, haven't seen it in probably over a decade.
 
Oh god I have those Mr. Freeze mugs where if you put it in the freezer it'd have that cool looking effect.
 
Ookami-kun said:
Oh god I have those Mr. Freeze mugs where if you put it in the freezer it'd have that cool looking effect.
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never saw that.

I don't really recall any promotion things for B&R.
 
scitek said:
I think Batman Forever is a decent flick, except for Harvey Dent magically turning white over the course of two films.
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I would have loved to see Billy Dee Williams as Two-Face :(
 
Usually, I could watch a terrible movie in it's entirety no matter how bad it was. B&R was so bad, I turned it off 10 minutes into the movie. It was the first time I had ever done this. And this is from a guy who really enjoyed Batman Forever at the time!
 
G-Fex said:
I just don't remember man :\

I don't even remember if McDonalds had a promo with them.
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If I'm not mistaken, I think the B&R movie was created pretty much just as a vehicle for marketing merchandise, action figures and stuff like that. Obviously it failed miserably since the movie sucked shit and no one gave a fuck about it.
 
For a while I didn't care for B&R but in recent years I've come to like it. Like it in the same way I enjoyed the Adam West Batman and Batman: Brave and the Bold. It's not super serious the way the other films where which is actually a positive if you are looking for that type of Batman. Of course at the time it came out I wasn't so it was a turn off to me after watching Batman, Batman Returns, and Batman Forever. However I've since grown to like all versions of the Bat. It's not my favorite of course. I don't think it's "great" either but I certainly can watch it now and enjoy it for what it is. The dislike is gone.
 
This is a very special film.

I haven't seen it in about 13 years and I have no idea how I would feel watching it from beginning to end today, but it left a strong imprint on my mind as a kid and many parts are hard to forget. Chief among them are Arnold's ice puns, the suiting up sequences and the Bat credit card.

Horrible as it may be, it's given me more entertainment and joy than Batman Begins.
KittenMaster said:
I like to think of Batman & Robin as the spiritual successor to the silly Adam West type of Batman show.
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That's the vibe I get from it.
 
If you don't take Batman way too seriously, Batman and Robin is the most enjoyable Batman movie. It's infinitely rewatchable, thanks to Arnold.
 
Copernicus said:
The best Batman movie is definitely not "boring".




It's also most definitely not BB.
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Well said,

think you should stick to the Nolan films though Solo.

Combichristoffersen said:
If I'm not mistaken, I think the B&R movie was created pretty much just as a vehicle for marketing merchandise, action figures and stuff like that. Obviously it failed miserably since the movie sucked shit and no one gave a fuck about it.
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That explains why I don't remember any merch.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
Now you know what it feels like to be trolled, Solo.


ARE YOU READY TO DO WHAT IT IS NECESSARY
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These people with bad taste should be tried on a GAF of their peers!
 
I really liked Batman Begins when I watched it and I think it's a legit movie. Liking B&R is cool and all, but to say that it's better than Batman Begins is pretty unsettling.
 
Solo said:
ITT people say the best Batman movie by a country mile (BB) is "boring"

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Begins is boring. And the action/fight scenes are terrible. It's a good film, but it's one of the least entertaining Batman movies.
 
Batman Begins is great, it does kind of lose steam once he dons the suit though. Which is fucking weird because the best part about the Batman movie...is before he becomes Batman.

my rankings:

Batman '89 > Begins > TDK > Batman Returns > Batman Forever > Batman: Adam West movie > Batman and Robin

still think the music and atmosphere in '89 is unmatched. So fucking good.
 
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