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Batman and Robin is a great movie
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WrathOfOtaibah
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Nah, you're just an idiot.
MisterHero
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They tried to explain it with rocket science but we blew it up with a bombbean breath said:
A BAT-BOMB
SonicMegaDrive
Member
I haven't seen this since I saw it in theaters.
The most memorable thing about it for me was the very awkward silence among me, my brother, and my father on the car ride home from the theater.
The most memorable thing about it for me was the very awkward silence among me, my brother, and my father on the car ride home from the theater.
MisterHero
Super Member
thanks for explaining 60s Batman to me AlfredBlitz2o said:
i tried to make batman
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Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
It's a bad movie, but at least it was more entertaining than Nolan's snorefests.
WrathOfOtaibah said:
I have a feeling we're going to be great friends.
Mr. Sam said:
There's nothing memorable about BB bro.
what? Bale's terrible batman voice? Katie Holmes terrible acting?
Oh remember that time that Scarecrow did uh...stuff..
I remember Batman crying for Alfred after he got set on fire, the rest is a blur.
I'm no, um, Nolanite (?) and I'm more than happy to point out the flaws of Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, but I don't understand how one can accuse them of being outright boring. Their tone is more measured and understated than the previous broadway-theatre-haphazardly-smeared-on-the-silver-screen films, sure, but I'd say that makes them more effective than less.
If there's one thing I can't fault Nolan for, it's the realisation of his villains, barring maybe Two Face. Scarecrow, Ra's Al Ghul and The Joker were all done very well, I thought. Mind you, Hamill remains my favourite Joker.
If there's one thing I can't fault Nolan for, it's the realisation of his villains, barring maybe Two Face. Scarecrow, Ra's Al Ghul and The Joker were all done very well, I thought. Mind you, Hamill remains my favourite Joker.
I've watched this movie once, as a kid. I turned it off near the end because I just couldn't stand the amount of stupidity. :/
Also, is it me or is the Poison Ivy "birth scene" really similar to the Catwoman "birth scene" from Batman Returns? Both dr. Isley and Selina were socially awkward nerds, both discovered their bosses wrongdoings, both were "killed" by their bosses and then turned into sexy and powerful women and started to shatter things around. The difference is, the Poison Ivy scene looks more like a parody. Well, the whole movie does.
Also, is it me or is the Poison Ivy "birth scene" really similar to the Catwoman "birth scene" from Batman Returns? Both dr. Isley and Selina were socially awkward nerds, both discovered their bosses wrongdoings, both were "killed" by their bosses and then turned into sexy and powerful women and started to shatter things around. The difference is, the Poison Ivy scene looks more like a parody. Well, the whole movie does.
Harry Dresden
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The Best Batman Movie:
That previous comment was aimed at Combichristoffersen, not you, G-fex.
Begins is likely my favourite live action Batman movie. Keep in mind that I don't really consider any of them particularly stellar - not Batman, not Batman Returns, not Batman Forever, not Batman and Robin, not even The Dark Knight.
As far as tone goes, I'd like something in between the two universes. I don't want the movie to dress up in drag and punch me in the face, but I also want a universe where, say, Killer Croc could conceivably exist. Out of the two, I'm definitely a bigger fan of Nolan's take than Burton's or Schumacher's.
Begins, I think, is an exquisite origin story. Or at least the first half to two thirds is. You see Bruce's parents killed, and the guilt that places on him. You see his desperate need to avenge them, but also his desperation to not become a criminal himself in doing so.
To remove myself from the nerdy hand-wringing, I loved a lot of the more tangible stuff from Begins. I loved the realisation of Gotham - its miraculous transformation into Chicago in the second film was a little worrying. The whole theme of fear was maybe overt, but it was good to have that darker side of the Batman lore explored. Liam Neeson was pretty much the perfect choice for Ra's Al Ghul and they did a good job of reigning in all the supernatural aspects of that particular character but keeping him 'immortal' in a sense. Cillian Murphy was great as Dr. Crane/Scarecrow, despite being an unwitting pawn. The whole sequence with the shipping crates was great; like a horror sequence inverted. The batmobile chase in this film was really exciting and well shot, I thought, despite all the gurning comic relief policemen.
There are big flaws, yes. The final act is sort of ehh, and having it explained that "If that thing reaches here, it's all gonna go kablooey!" a half dozen times really does grate. Bale's Batman voice is just... weird. Katie Holmes, oddly enough, I had no problem with. She wasn't anything phenomenal, but she's definitely better eye candy than Maggie G.
I just feel that the previous Batman movies - particularly Schumacher's - are overwhelming cathedrals of eye-rolling stupidity. It's not that they don't get Batman (though they don't), it's just that they're dumb. They're gigantic webs of stupid ideas upon stupid ideas. They're so cheesy they don't even play well in France. I might not have been bored during them, but only because I felt like I was being humiliated, like I was the subject of some huge elaborate joke.
G-Fex said:
Begins is likely my favourite live action Batman movie. Keep in mind that I don't really consider any of them particularly stellar - not Batman, not Batman Returns, not Batman Forever, not Batman and Robin, not even The Dark Knight.
As far as tone goes, I'd like something in between the two universes. I don't want the movie to dress up in drag and punch me in the face, but I also want a universe where, say, Killer Croc could conceivably exist. Out of the two, I'm definitely a bigger fan of Nolan's take than Burton's or Schumacher's.
Begins, I think, is an exquisite origin story. Or at least the first half to two thirds is. You see Bruce's parents killed, and the guilt that places on him. You see his desperate need to avenge them, but also his desperation to not become a criminal himself in doing so.
To remove myself from the nerdy hand-wringing, I loved a lot of the more tangible stuff from Begins. I loved the realisation of Gotham - its miraculous transformation into Chicago in the second film was a little worrying. The whole theme of fear was maybe overt, but it was good to have that darker side of the Batman lore explored. Liam Neeson was pretty much the perfect choice for Ra's Al Ghul and they did a good job of reigning in all the supernatural aspects of that particular character but keeping him 'immortal' in a sense. Cillian Murphy was great as Dr. Crane/Scarecrow, despite being an unwitting pawn. The whole sequence with the shipping crates was great; like a horror sequence inverted. The batmobile chase in this film was really exciting and well shot, I thought, despite all the gurning comic relief policemen.
There are big flaws, yes. The final act is sort of ehh, and having it explained that "If that thing reaches here, it's all gonna go kablooey!" a half dozen times really does grate. Bale's Batman voice is just... weird. Katie Holmes, oddly enough, I had no problem with. She wasn't anything phenomenal, but she's definitely better eye candy than Maggie G.
I just feel that the previous Batman movies - particularly Schumacher's - are overwhelming cathedrals of eye-rolling stupidity. It's not that they don't get Batman (though they don't), it's just that they're dumb. They're gigantic webs of stupid ideas upon stupid ideas. They're so cheesy they don't even play well in France. I might not have been bored during them, but only because I felt like I was being humiliated, like I was the subject of some huge elaborate joke.
Professor Beef
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The thing about Begins is that it's dreadfully boring the entire way through.
Messypandas
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i went to the world premiere of Batman and Robin
TOM f'N CRUISE
Member
its still crap
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Mr. Sam said:
Nolan took a campy comic book about a man who dresses up as a giant bat and fights, among others, a psychotic clown, a penguin-looking criminal mastermind and an insane guy who loves riddles and turned it into serious crime drama. I loved the Burtman movies because they managed to balance the camp and cheese with the serious stuff, while giving Gotham City a very gothic aestethic (and giving Batman one of the best damn vehicles ever seen on screen). Batman Forever was an OKish movie, although not as good as Batman '89 or Batman Returns, but Batman & Robin was where the camp and cheese took over and the movie just became a 'so bad it's good' movie. The two Nolan movies aren't really bad movies in and of themselves, but they're definitely not what I want from a Batman movie, and I found them to be really, really boring precisely because they did away with the camp and cheese of Batman's comic book roots, and reimagined Batman on film as a serious character. I did like Ledger's sociopathic Joker, although it was very different from Nicholson's more clownish Joker.
Professor Beef
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Not enough Batman in a fucking Batman movie. I get that it was an origin story, but literally the only things I remember from Begins werethetrin said:
1) Bruce looking for someone in a room full of ninjas
2) Batman's "I don't have to save you" line where the train crashes
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
MattKeil said:
I'm not gonna claim I'm intimately familiar with the old Batman comics, or Hell, even the more recent ones besides reading a few of them years ago (since I don't like super hero comics very much anyway), but please do educate me.
bean breath
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It's basically about a billionaire that gets off on beating the crap out of the poor and mentally challenged. He disguises himself as a middle-class vigilante for damage control.Combichristoffersen said:
I seriously hate Batman & Robin. Loved it when I was 8, but now? Blech.
That said, I've actually decided that after we've had a few years for Nolan's Batman trilogy settle, I totally wouldn't mind a series of Batman movies that embraces a more comic book-ish interpretation of the character as opposed to the more realistic approach Nolan took. I'm not talking the Schumacher-approach, think a Batman: The Animated Series movie but live-action. Maybe kick up the noire aspects a bit more.
Don't me wrong, I fucking love Nolan's take on the universe, but I think a more comic-bookish approach to the character would be an interesting way to follow it up without people accusing WB of trying to capture what made Nolan's movies so great but without Nolan.
That said, I've actually decided that after we've had a few years for Nolan's Batman trilogy settle, I totally wouldn't mind a series of Batman movies that embraces a more comic book-ish interpretation of the character as opposed to the more realistic approach Nolan took. I'm not talking the Schumacher-approach, think a Batman: The Animated Series movie but live-action. Maybe kick up the noire aspects a bit more.
Don't me wrong, I fucking love Nolan's take on the universe, but I think a more comic-bookish approach to the character would be an interesting way to follow it up without people accusing WB of trying to capture what made Nolan's movies so great but without Nolan.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
bean breath said:
I like this description. Does he beat up children and pregnant women too?
Sho_Nuff82
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Combichristoffersen said:
Then how can you comment on what makes a good Batman movie? Nolan heavily borrowed from Year One and The Long Halloween in order to craft his movies. Burton's movies inspired the Animated Series, which is widely considered one of the finest cartoons of the 90s and the definitive interpretation of the character. Schumacker's films were a desperate call back to the Adam West show combined with a bunch of unintelligible crap, and B&R is an absolutely broken film that doesn't even come close to succeeding in writing, action, costume work, or its portrayal of any of the three complex villains that it tries to tackle. It's a failure of a film that not only nearly killed the bat-franchise, it nearly killed superhero movies, period.
darkiguana
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Batman and Robin is the only movie that I ever seriously considered walking out on.
T.M. MacReady
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Watching Batman Forever on Netflix.
So awful, yet hilarious. Jim Carrey was actually great in this movie.
Chris O'Donnell is terrible, and his karate laundry routine had me rolling. Fun nostalgia trip watching this awfully great movie.
So awful, yet hilarious. Jim Carrey was actually great in this movie.
Chris O'Donnell is terrible, and his karate laundry routine had me rolling. Fun nostalgia trip watching this awfully great movie.
Professor Beef
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That's cold.darkiguana said:
BlackGoku03
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Sho_Nuff82 said:
Exactly!
I read Year One and the Long Halloween again last month... the first time in years. If nothing else, Combichristoffersen and G-Fex need to read these graphic novels to obtain a better understanding of what Batman is. These stories will grant a better understanding of Batman, Gotham City, and the characters living in it.
Knowing this, how the fuck can anyone in their right mind say anything good about Batman and Robin? How can anyone say Batman Begins, an almost perfect origins story, be boring?
Wow.
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