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Battlefield 4 Angry Joe Rant!

i'm surprised more people are not boycotting EA. i haven't bought any of their games since 2010, and I don't feel like i've missed out at all.

I should've learned my lesson when I paid full price for Sim City... But I enjoyed the BF3 multiplayer a lot, to the point where I bought all the expansion packs and bonus stuff. I purchased BF4 on a whim expecting a more refined multiplayer experience over BF3. But so far my experience with the game has been, crashes every five or six rounds, hard to find any good servers available that are populated with players, and somewhat muddy performance. Though I am only using a GTX660, so I didn't expect it to be smooth, but it is kind of sad hearing people with better rigs than mine give the same complaints. I wonder if most of these crashes are Windows 7 related? Odd that some people in this thread say that they don't experience them.

I do expect most of these issues to smooth out over time, but still it is a kick in the nuts for day one purchasers. I have a friend who preordered the game early, just to get the pre-order bonus, which promised the BF4 beta earlier than everyone else. I believe that bonus only really amounted to having the Beta three days before anyone else where it was the most unplayable.

It wouldn't surprise me if the above rumours of EA just releasing the game buggy to beat COD: Ghosts to market were true. Sounds about right to me.
 
Wait, does progress not sync simultaneously? So, if i'm in a game, rank up 10 minutes before, and then quit the game, do I lose all progress?

it syncs at the end of every round. i remember reading that if you crash halfway you have to wait for the match to end or else all progress is lost. apparently crashing also deducts time from the game xp boosters
 
I work hard for every penny I earn. I work more than 70 hours a week. Most of the time I wake up and go to bed and all ive done is the AngryJoeShow and related things.

I play every game to completion, I record all 60 hours of footage even when it comes to RPG's then I go by hand to find all the cool or messed up moments to put them into the video where I talk about them. I produce the video myself, record the video myself, edit the video myself, add fx myself. Go buy all the costumes and props all over my city myself. I twist my friends arm's and try to work around their busy work schedules to get them to be in my videos when a scene calls for it. Then I post the video, update my website, admin my website, post on social media, promote the video, share the video as much as I can because I worked my ass off on it. And I have to do all this within a matter of DAYS sir, in order for the review to be relevant and to beat major outlets with millions of dollars and hundreds of staff who get their reviews out early exclusively.

On top of all this ive found time to create my community website AJSA myself and working with talented web guys to build the best possibly gaming community for my fans to play with me on regular streams which I have to also find time for. Then i have to deal with all the forums, policy, and website issues that popup from having a community grow to 16,000 members within 3 days.

So don't you talk to me about internet videos being not hard and my job not taking any time or effort you ignorant dismissive forum cancer. I bid you good day, sir.


I SAID GOOD DAY.


Good answer! I'm glad that you came online to make a stand. Certain people need to be more appreciative and understand that it is NOT EASY to make videos like yours, especially when there is plenty of promotional & plugging work that needs to be done within a small time-frame in order to obtain strong viewing exposure. Even my Versus Battlecast videos (especially episode 6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVXMim20eNs) on Youtube took plenty of hours to create, and required much much editing time and research within the incredibly little time I had available to spare. Please only focus on the constructive criticisms here, but of course, you don't need me to tell you that.

Back to your video, you are completely right. What EA did was release a game with a "showstopper" bug. This absolutely a complete "no-no" for EA nor any other company to have in their game. For this to happen, you are potentially correct that it was the EA publishing team pushing DICE to provide a working code of the game (working code doesn't mean non-broken code) in order to release it within their desired release window. The problem is, if DICE ramp up the coders and testers nearer to the game release, which is exactly what they would or should have to do in order to release the game out on time, they would incur an incredible overhead in the P&L that goes way above their assigned budget. Knowing EA like I do, I’m sure they would hold one of the DICE team member's head for ransom for that... production oversight. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised that someone's head is already threaten to be placed on a silver platter if the game doesn't generate enough desired revenues within a specific window. So yes, as you've pointed, this is not DICE fault in its entirety, this is possibly EA publishing's fault for not being supportive enough to DICE.

However, there is another side to this coin: if the game was delayed by 1 1/2 months in order to fix the bug (I'm very sure that's the time DICE require to iron the game properly) would everyone be happy? I don't think so... That would mean no BF4 for next-gen release, the competitor window against COD:Ghost would have been missed, and you would potentially almost miss the holiday shopping window too as the game would most likely be released near the end of December or January 2014 earliest. That wouldn't have been good for anyone, not to us gamers who are excited to play the game during the Christmas holiday season, not the retailers who are supporting the game, and especially EA as this period is definitely the right time to release game, and promote the Premium Pack and DLC before Christmas hits. i.e. high sales. I guess this is why they took the "origin is mandatory so let's release an update patch when we have isolated and fixed the problem" route.

None the less, a showstopper bug is a showstopper bug and a bug that big is still inexcusable (crashing several times is crazy). Therefore, I believe what EA should have done is what you suggested in your video. They should have ramp up the testers and coders like no tomorrow to iron the game as much as possible before release to comb out all potential showstopper bugs. The overhead cost would have been high but the margins would still be small in comparison to the one year sales-projections that EA expect to generate from the game. Whether EA and DICE done this we don’t know, but as the end-users of the game all we can do is speculate, demands, boycott if necessary and nothing more. Sounds like small actions, yes. However they are still powerful ones in the eyes of the company if the majority of the users are doing this.
 
I dont understand why people are attacking angry joe.
I mean the real problem exist and cant be denied... the battlefield4 mp is a bugy mess.

I saw a recent scientific research that suggest that haters gonna hate.
Some people just dont like something and try to destroy it because it exist. I dont want them to stop watching or stop commenting on stuff, because the reasoning that "Dont like it ? Dont watch it." do not work for me. If I dont like something, I want to know why I dont like it, and I want to share my opinion on the stuff I dont like because I want to see what other people like about X.
I dont like Final Fantasy, and yet I played through 1,2,3,4 to understand. I have to play 5 and 6 next year if I can. I dont like resident evil 0,1,2 and yet I will play 3 and veronica. I want to know why I dont like something and why other people like it.

It's okay to not like something, but dont be a dick about the things you dont like.
 
So don't you talk to me about internet videos being not hard and my job not taking any time or effort you ignorant dismissive forum cancer. I bid you good day, sir.

Can vouch for that. My buddy has a channel that's starting to pick up, but it's ridiculous the amount of hours he puts into 2-3 videos. You have to keep them consistent and relevant. It's very taxing, not as easy as some think. It's not like these are shot with a handcam, no mic and no editing.

As for this game, I bit and bought BF4 and am starting to regret it since I've had quite a few hard freezes in MP (I've easily had over 5 since I bought the game a week ago for PS3).
 
Epcott said:
: Well, after Gaf's lovely thread about "DICE QA Tester alleges that EA shortcut BF4 QA process to beat Ghosts to market" and discovering it to be true after investing $120 into a game... I would be pissed too!"

Guess I was right.


Stop it Joe. I have to endure your YouTube thumbnails and now you're talking to me on NeoGAF. Why are you doing this?

That's low.
 
Sad to see some of Gaf go after Joe, considering he was the only person(to my knowledge) who asked microsoft(Major nelson) about that pants on head retarded DRM plan (its not an easy switch). I generally agree with what joe has to say and about his passion for games... everyone can watch his videos before the release of Aliens: Colonial Marines to see how much he wanted that to be good( I did too) and then the meltdown we probably all had when it actually came out. besides that EA gonna do what EA always does... sadly i'll probably support DA3 if it continues to look good.
 
there should be laws against shipping low quality products, not to say battlefield 4 isn't a great game, I just mean there have been a lot of games this generation that have shipped, sold millions and loads of people can't even play them

games are expensive and they should work the minute you have them and should not be allowed to reach retail in low quality states
 
Loving your videos Joe! They do the community a great service. If I'm going to buy a game it's nice to know if it's broken as shit before I drop that $50-$60 or more.
 
I work hard for every penny I earn. I work more than 70 hours a week. Most of the time I wake up and go to bed and all ive done is the AngryJoeShow and related things.

I play every game to completion, I record all 60 hours of footage even when it comes to RPG's then I go by hand to find all the cool or messed up moments to put them into the video where I talk about them. I produce the video myself, record the video myself, edit the video myself, add fx myself. Go buy all the costumes and props all over my city myself. I twist my friends arm's and try to work around their busy work schedules to get them to be in my videos when a scene calls for it. Then I post the video, update my website, admin my website, post on social media, promote the video, share the video as much as I can because I worked my ass off on it. And I have to do all this within a matter of DAYS sir, in order for the review to be relevant and to beat major outlets with millions of dollars and hundreds of staff who get their reviews out early exclusively.

On top of all this ive found time to create my community website AJSA myself and working with talented web guys to build the best possibly gaming community for my fans to play with me on regular streams which I have to also find time for. Then i have to deal with all the forums, policy, and website issues that popup from having a community grow to 16,000 members within 3 days.

So don't you talk to me about internet videos being not hard and my job not taking any time or effort you ignorant dismissive forum cancer. I bid you good day, sir.


I SAID GOOD DAY.
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No? Read it with a bit of cynicism. I just don't like his videos that's it. He's probably a cool and nice guy but that's a different cup of tea.

But... why are you subscribed to him? I mean, I dont see the videos of the Irate gamers on the internet because, well he's probably ded, but I didnt subscribe to his channel.
 
This is my second Angry Joe video I've watched. And like AVGN, I hated it at first, and I'm still leery about Joe. . . so I'll probably rediscover all of this in a few years time and laugh, and laugh.

Agree with all points. How can you not?
 
I didn't understand why BF4 minimum ram was under CoD Ghosts. BF is a minimum of 4 GB and Ghosts is 6 GB. Might be because of the tremors in Ghosts, but apparently BF4 is a complete mess.

Spawn kills < PC performance is how I'm assessing everything.

The trust consumers put in with their purchases is really something. DICE had to know their campaign wouldn't sell and what players really wanted was multiplayer. I personally think DICE needs to rethink their development teams.

I'm sticking with Activision, I know what I'm getting when I buy a modern CoD
 
But... why are you subscribed to him? I mean, I dont see the videos of the Irate gamers on the internet because, well he's probably ded, but I didnt subscribe to his channel.

I never subscribed to his channel. His thumbnails appear at my YT page under "recommended videos" from time to time. :/
 
I'm guessing things will fare better next year or the year after that, without them worrying about hitting launches.

Then again it's ALSO a matter fo being spread too thin, and it really may be in their best interests to cut off the prior generation sooner than later, especially if the adoption rate is far faster this time. Continuing with old systems is a strategy that makes more sense for smaller, lower end developers anyway who are familiar with the hardware and won't make games that need to sell millions yet will benefit from a wide install base.
 
I never subscribed to his channel. His thumbnails appear at my YT page under "recommended videos" from time to time. :/

Does it just really piss you off when you come home and find flyers on your door or those newspaper sized leaflets on your driveway? Like, livid? I can just imagine.
 
I never subscribed to his channel. His thumbnails appear at my YT page under "recommended videos" from time to time. :/

But... they are thumbnails. They are a bunch of pictures of joe in dresses and costumes. I mean you seem to have a obsession for the guy to hate seeing thumbnails of him.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=angry+joe+show&sm=3

I mean really. I dont like thumbnails from Smosh and I dont like Smosh, but if Smosh came here I would not say "Dude, I already have to see thumbnails from times to times. Now you talk to me? Leave me alone!". Just seem kinda weird. We have devs and artists and reviewers here. We cant just say "Dont talk to me, I dont like your work".
 
No? Read it with a bit of cynicism. I just don't like his videos that's it. He's probably a cool and nice guy but that's a different cup of tea.
"Probably"? Now, I don't claim to be an authority on all things Joe, but have you actually watched some videos of his? He's a genuinely loveable guy. Enthusiastic about the hobby, easily excitable, a bit silly, really, thoroughly inoffensive. That's why his angry outbursts are so poignant. To get him that riled up "takes some doing".

Shitting on him because his YouTube thumbnails are offending your sensibilities is quite a low blow. I can understand not liking someone, but putting him down over something as arbitrary and petty as that is harsh, man.
 
i guess for once being late is somewhat beneficial. im barely catching up to BF3 (gamefly sale) and it seems to have all its kinks worked out. will wait for BF4, good things come to those who wait as Miyamoto always said...and maybe those are words that EA should take to heart next time they feel fine releasing unfinished net-code? anyways, i remember the olden days of BF2 launch woes, i can understand his rage...there and back again i guess :(
 
I LOL'D hard in this rant and HE'S RIGHT.

I give a lot of leeway to DICE who answers to big boss EA.

Then he comes here and lays the fucking smack down on someone who asked for the candid reaction that Joe brought.

GATDAM SIR, GIDDAY.

Edit- A few genuinely funny moments there. Especially with the initial building part and him picking up his 780. He goes all Matt Foley and shit LOL
 
Shitting on him because his YouTube thumbnails are offending your sensibilities is quite a low blow. I can understand not liking someone, but putting him down over something as arbitrary and petty as that is harsh, man.

FFS, do I have to put a huge smiley face at the end of my sentence, so you understand that I wasn't serious? Like "btw ;-)))))) /jks lol /don't punch me"? Who would get mad about thumbnails?! Isn't that obvious? As if this is the biggest problem in my life.

o.o

"Probably"? Now, I don't claim to be an authority on all things Joe, but have you actually watched some videos of his? He's a genuinely loveable guy. Enthusiastic about the hobby, easily excitable, a bit silly, really, thoroughly inoffensive. That's why his angry outbursts are so poignant. To get him that riled up "takes some doing".
That's your opinion, so yes. Probably! I never met him in real life, so I can't have a real opinion about his real personality.
 
I work hard for every penny I earn. I work more than 70 hours a week. Most of the time I wake up and go to bed and all ive done is the AngryJoeShow and related things.

I play every game to completion, I record all 60 hours of footage even when it comes to RPG's then I go by hand to find all the cool or messed up moments to put them into the video where I talk about them. I produce the video myself, record the video myself, edit the video myself, add fx myself. Go buy all the costumes and props all over my city myself. I twist my friends arm's and try to work around their busy work schedules to get them to be in my videos when a scene calls for it. Then I post the video, update my website, admin my website, post on social media, promote the video, share the video as much as I can because I worked my ass off on it. And I have to do all this within a matter of DAYS sir, in order for the review to be relevant and to beat major outlets with millions of dollars and hundreds of staff who get their reviews out early exclusively.

On top of all this ive found time to create my community website AJSA myself and working with talented web guys to build the best possibly gaming community for my fans to play with me on regular streams which I have to also find time for. Then i have to deal with all the forums, policy, and website issues that popup from having a community grow to 16,000 members within 3 days.

So don't you talk to me about internet videos being not hard and my job not taking any time or effort you ignorant dismissive forum cancer. I bid you good day, sir.


I SAID GOOD DAY.

OH DAMN

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I work hard for every penny I earn. I work more than 70 hours a week. Most of the time I wake up and go to bed and all ive done is the AngryJoeShow and related things.

I play every game to completion, I record all 60 hours of footage even when it comes to RPG's then I go by hand to find all the cool or messed up moments to put them into the video where I talk about them. I produce the video myself, record the video myself, edit the video myself, add fx myself. Go buy all the costumes and props all over my city myself. I twist my friends arm's and try to work around their busy work schedules to get them to be in my videos when a scene calls for it. Then I post the video, update my website, admin my website, post on social media, promote the video, share the video as much as I can because I worked my ass off on it. And I have to do all this within a matter of DAYS sir, in order for the review to be relevant and to beat major outlets with millions of dollars and hundreds of staff who get their reviews out early exclusively.

On top of all this ive found time to create my community website AJSA myself and working with talented web guys to build the best possibly gaming community for my fans to play with me on regular streams which I have to also find time for. Then i have to deal with all the forums, policy, and website issues that popup from having a community grow to 16,000 members within 3 days.

So don't you talk to me about internet videos being not hard and my job not taking any time or effort you ignorant dismissive forum cancer. I bid you good day, sir.


I SAID GOOD DAY.

Dat Ether. :)

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FFS, do I have to put a huge smiley face at the end of my sentence, so you understand that I wasn't serious? o.o
Actually... Yes.
;)

I'm sorry, there have been some really unreasonable comments on gaf as of late, since the next gen launch has put everyone on edge. Just look for the recent Francis thread, the mods had to do a hell purge on it. Some really vile stuff. Even without that, the written medium has no way to reliably convey sarcasm, so better safe than sorry, I say. A spoiler'd "j/k" keeps the angry forumites away.
 
Actually... Yes.
;)

I'm sorry, there have been some really unreasonable comments on gaf as of late, since the next gen launch has put everyone on edge. Just look for the recent Francis thread, the mods had to do a hell purge on it. Some really vile stuff. Even without that, the written medium has no way to reliably convey sarcasm, so better safe than sorry, I say. A spoiler'd "j/k" keeps the angry forumites away.

That's why I really wish that I'd get a "don't take me so seriously"-tag. I rarely use j/k because it kinda invalidates my post. But I want to preserve some kind of rougher British humor and that doesn't work all the time as you can see. Let's stop this meta-discussion anyway.
 
That's why I really wish that I'd get a "don't take me so seriously"-tag. I rarely use j/k because it kinda invalidates my post. But I want to preserve some kind of rougher British humor and that doesn't work all the time as you can see. Let's stop this meta-discussion anyway.

Damnit, I'm sorry if I was a jerk with my post.
 
Keep up the good work Joe but you had to know this launch would have some fuck ups because of consoles being launch and EA being hit and miss and mostly shit these past few years.
 
agree 100% with the video. and joe i like your videos (esp the angrier you get), pls ignore the dickwads in this thread

the state of bf4 reminds me of the bf2 launch. at that time i said i wouldnt buy a dice/ea game at launch. i wished i'd listened to myself :(
 
Spot on.
People questioning Joe's hard work is ridiculous, its one of the most apparent things with his content. Its pretty much always spot on, concise, informative and entertaining.
 
I work hard for every penny I earn. I work more than 70 hours a week. Most of the time I wake up and go to bed and all ive done is the AngryJoeShow and related things.

I play every game to completion, I record all 60 hours of footage even when it comes to RPG's then I go by hand to find all the cool or messed up moments to put them into the video where I talk about them. I produce the video myself, record the video myself, edit the video myself, add fx myself. Go buy all the costumes and props all over my city myself. I twist my friends arm's and try to work around their busy work schedules to get them to be in my videos when a scene calls for it. Then I post the video, update my website, admin my website, post on social media, promote the video, share the video as much as I can because I worked my ass off on it. And I have to do all this within a matter of DAYS sir, in order for the review to be relevant and to beat major outlets with millions of dollars and hundreds of staff who get their reviews out early exclusively.

On top of all this ive found time to create my community website AJSA myself and working with talented web guys to build the best possibly gaming community for my fans to play with me on regular streams which I have to also find time for. Then i have to deal with all the forums, policy, and website issues that popup from having a community grow to 16,000 members within 3 days.

So don't you talk to me about internet videos being not hard and my job not taking any time or effort you ignorant dismissive forum cancer. I bid you good day, sir.


I SAID GOOD DAY.

I didn't want to defend you because i knew you were a member here and i knew you would destroy the basement dweller haters in a single post.

God dam.
 
wanna give me $60, its just money :/
bet you'd be mad if your money went into a broken item.

Slightly annoyed if my game crashed, sure. I have been disconnected mid-game by this same crash. Did I go ballistic? No.

I started it back up, a continued to play. It didn't crash again. If it did? I'd wait for a patch.

I'm not so desperate in life that I must play a game, let alone pop a vein or two and post a video on youtube, ranting and raving like a spoiled child.

Sure, it sucks when games come out and have issues like this but it's not the end all be all.

Edit: I understand that Joe's rants are part of his character but it's just... I don't know, done to death?
 
Watching the video, he seemed really really upset, more so than he normally does. I think it stems from the game being ridiculously fun to be plagued by really really bad technical issues. It sucks from having a ton of fun with your buddies and then having to alt+tab, and quit from the Task Manager. It's not so bad if it were to happen once or twice, but it happens way too often. I was playing yesterday and had 7 crashes. 7. Usually loading into a new level or in Shanghai, when the building falls.

I was confident a week ago these issues would be addressed by now, and I'm sure DICE is not ignorant to them, but with the new consoles coming out, I don't have much confidence they'll be addressed in a timely matter. But we haven't seen a patch since that initial one the day after launch. Or at least none that I can tell that fixed any of the plethora of glitches and bugs that have been there from day one. Sound bug on damn, and dawnbreaker, building coming down in Shanghai, random CTD's, all these issues have been there since day 1. It's been a week and we haven't seen anything addressing these problems and it's frustrating as hell as I just want to play the game with my buddies and have a good time, but you can't as the brilliance is severely flawed by technical issues.

edit: ultimately in the end it won't matter as eventually it will be fixed, but as I payed $60 and some much more, I want a product that was advertised to work and to work well with the features that were previewed. As it stands, it's not that. My Battlefield Moments are made up of me alt+tabbing to quit the game so I can restart it. Dunh Dunh Dunh....Dunh Dunn Duhhhnn...Inception horn.
 
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