Phonomezer
Banned
It's beside the point though, there'd be no prohibitive cost for EA to port the PS360 version and put it on Wii U. Nintendo-only gamers miss out in the long run.
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Battlefield 4 skipping Wii U
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It's beside the point though, there'd be no prohibitive cost for EA to port the PS360 version and put it on Wii U. Nintendo-only gamers miss out in the long run.
Nintendo only gamers only have themselves to blame.
ViperVisor
Member
Not that narrow but I see it like this...
Today it seems the middle class of gaming is dying. Wii only shocked it back to life for a bit but it really was never a thriving game platform. There were the huge selling Nintendo games. The handful of other big sellers and the rest.
The gaming environment now is like a dense rainforest dominated by only a few types getting all the sunlight. The 99 cent stuff is the ground cover down low. The yearly sports updates and epic franchise installments are the giant trees reaching up to the sky.
People here are shitting on the mediocre execution of Wii U unfairly when the issue is larger.
It just doesn't look like splitting the difference can work right now. Either need to be a $200 or $500 console.
Justzisguyukno
Member
I'm... not sure why its a big deal it isn't coming to Wii U.
Their audience will be with the 140+Million 360/PS3(+PC?) players. Wii U instal base is still nothing compared to them, so of course it doesn't make financial sense to bother including it.
Their audience will be with the 140+Million 360/PS3(+PC?) players. Wii U instal base is still nothing compared to them, so of course it doesn't make financial sense to bother including it.
Smiles and Cries
Member
I did not Purchase my Wii U for FPS war games there is no reason to get carried away here and forget the other reasons to keep Wii U alive
I am enjoying the hell out of Need For Speed Most Wanted U no thanks had been given to EA about that
I am sure no more DLC will come out for it though since EA really seems to be hell bent on making a statement towards Nintendo here
I own a 3DS I would rather see that die than to give up my Wii U <3
Phonomezer
Banned
Same thing could be said for anything-only gamers
Imagine a world with no port begging...
shinra-bansho
Member
Precisely. Instead of a head start, it's 7 years LTTP and at a higher price to boot. It has an insignificant installed base. Nintendo is not actively building an audience for third party titles. It has less games released and less to come from its immediate competition to attract an installed base. There's nothing to warrant a transition from the PS3/360 to Wii U for the audience for games like BF4.
How anyone thought that would inspire publisher confidence is beyond me.
If they make the right sw and choices they could pass Gamecube in the Wii U's lifetime. Whether it happens or not is up to Nintendo though obviously.
This has got to be damaging for the console. The answer is always 'no Wii-U'.
Truer words have rarely been spoken.
It is still Nintendo's 8th generation console, despite the hardware deficiency in comparison to other 8th generation consoles. This hardware deficiency doesn't play to the fact that this game (as many others will be) is cross-generational in hardware as well.
This line of thinking would be correct if this game wasn't being put on platforms that have an install base of zero and will have just slightly more sales potential as Blops II had for Wii U due to the fact that many gamers purchase MS/Sony consoles for shooters. With that said, there will be first party shooters to contend with at those launches as well so maybe I should revise the words "slightly more".
michaelius
Banned
Can we save some Neogaf database space and do threads when something will be coming to Wii U?
Think about all those bytes saved ;D
Think about all those bytes saved ;D
Glass Rebel
Member
Well, it's not like Battlefield 3 is the only game skipping Wii U.
Eh, it's OK. It's most definitely late to the party though and lags behind the PS3 / 360 in some areas. When the next gen stuff drops, it's out of the race for anyone without a personal investment in Nintendo.
Zombi-U is cool though. I hope they make a multiplatform sequel.
They're stuck with neither the advantages of the PS3/360 nor the advantages of the PS4/720. I don't see what they can do.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Missing a few 100k BF4 sales on the Wii U is going to doom the company?
shinra-bansho
Member
Why do people say this as if anybody cares? I'm not arguing semantics, call it whatever you like, I'm looking at the situation at hand. It does not inspire an upgrade for someone who's had a PS3 or 360 for several years. It compares unfavorably in pretty much any meaningful way to the PS3 and 360 in the current market for any late adopting consumers looking to buy an HD console now. It is a product without a market, beyond that which will buy the hardware simply to play Nintendo's software.
The PS3 and 360 justify the existence of their SKU's for primarily next-generation games through their significant installed bases. They provide a safety net as publishers transition to a new generation of hardware, in terms of capabilities - which they expect to reinvigorate the market over time. The Wii U does not.
What would be the point of this? Nobody would buy the inferior WiiU ports anyway.
The WiiU is for Nintendogames/Exclusives an nothing else.
unfortunate. I would have enjoyed off-tv play.
I wish a journalist could do some journalism and get some journalistic feedback from more EA reps so we can get a journalistic knowledge of what's going on with the relationship between EA and Nintendo, via actual journalism.
I wish a journalist could do some journalism and get some journalistic feedback from more EA reps so we can get a journalistic knowledge of what's going on with the relationship between EA and Nintendo, via actual journalism.
And risk being blacklisted by EA for reviews and promo goodies? Not likely!
Doczu
Member
That´s a very generous estimate.
fixed
George Claw M.D.
Member
If Wii U launched successfully, EA would have no choice but to support it as a matter of business sense. Doesn't matter if some Origin deal fell through or Iwata slept with Riticello's wife, whatever.
But with the Wii U hanging on the ropes, EA could see this as an opportunity to strike it down, before it regains its footing. Give up what little sales it would've gained by porting BF4 to Wii U. But when Wii U croaks, all those potential customers will have to go to PS4/Durango/PC for their EA fix.
Or, Wii U could bounce back from the dead like a revitalized Hulk Hogan, brushing off EA's blows, causing them to put their hands up, asking to be friends again. But Nintendo says, "Fuck you!" before delivering a big boot to EA's face.
But with the Wii U hanging on the ropes, EA could see this as an opportunity to strike it down, before it regains its footing. Give up what little sales it would've gained by porting BF4 to Wii U. But when Wii U croaks, all those potential customers will have to go to PS4/Durango/PC for their EA fix.
Or, Wii U could bounce back from the dead like a revitalized Hulk Hogan, brushing off EA's blows, causing them to put their hands up, asking to be friends again. But Nintendo says, "Fuck you!" before delivering a big boot to EA's face.
NinjaBoiX
Member
Yup. My thoughts exactly.
"Too little, too late" seems a perfect fit. But I'd be lying if I said the thought of current gen Mario doesn't makes me salivate profusely.
TheDrowningMan
Member
Do you have a spine / sense of journalistic responsibility you can mail to a video game journalist?
At least it got Rayman Legends. Anyone know what the sales are like on that one?
what would be the benefit of that for nintendo?
Regardless he still has a very valid point about BLOPS2. It wasn't confirmed if it was that game but considering the majority of hit titles were Ubisoft and Ubisoft is enthusiastic about making games on a Nintendo platform it's unlikely anything else massively failed.
BLOPS2 was only 2 weeks old during the holiday period. EA is justified in pulling the plug on development for the WiiU right then and there considering how popular COD is compared to every other FPS out there.
Don't fool yourself. Nintendo console buyers have spoken and they said the majority of them don't have the same taste for quality FPS games like those who gravitate to the Sony and MS platforms.
RagingAvatar
Member
At the end of the day, it's coming to X360/PS3 - there is no reason this couldn't come to Wii U.
The fact that we have to rely on Emily Rogers (she's great, btw) to get some semblance of continuity to what could potentially be a truly fascinating story between EA and Nintendo's current relationship is ridiculous.
I wish there was a journalist who would do some journalism about the deteriorating quality and lack of creativity in the journalist field of games journalism.
Smiles and Cries
Member
not saying the Wii U is not in the worst position for a home console ever
sure FPS are not the only issue here but for me BF4 and the next COD were not on my buy list
what Nintendo really needs to do for me to be satisfied is support the Wii U with stronger first party games
Luigi on Wii U not just a 3DS game
Pokemon on Wii U not just a 3DS game (just like Capcom did with MonHun transfer your save file for both)
lesson learned from Wii U is I need to own a PS4 if I want anything else!
No excuse to own a Wii U alone right now
even for any die-hard Nintendo fan there is no reason to port beg when the port from PS4/XB3 would be downgraded mess, it is time to invest but still when you are poor it is harder to do so start saving your pennies now
so best thing for Wii U is to hope for some stronger exclusives
EA does not even need to ever touch a Nintendo console again as far as I care, Nintendo alone is to blame for the Wii U mess - they have to support it
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
I think yamauchi did something similar before and he gave no fucks. Might not be benefit but they dont care.
You can do the journalism yourself.
The Wii U is an un-appealing product for both consumers and developers, has an incredibly low install base and is struggling to shift units globally, while major third party software sales have ranged from poor to absolutely insulting.
People keep asking for detailed analysis of why the Wii U isn't getting third party support, and people keep coming up with theories as to why it's not happening. It's probably the biggest no-brainer in the industry right now. The reasons for a major publisher to commit resource to the Wii U are absolutely minimal and are shrinking further by the week. It's just not worth their time or money.
Well said. It really is that easy.
EA's support of Wii (which is still the previous generation's biggest seller, both in hardware and software units) was less-than-stellar, especially where cartoon sports titles were concerned.
Decisions like these were likely made long before the Wii U's launch, let alone sales figures. They'd have to be when you're talking about dedicating team resources.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Nintendo don't care about Nintendo?
the sales issue is a relatively recent one. developers wouldn't have known console sales back when they were planning for these games more than a year ago. in ea's case, there seems to be more to it- and some people in the know have spoken freely that there is some bad blood between ea and nintendo.
This sounds more like the shit quality unilateral narrative creation we get from popular games journalism that is so fucking simplistic and so easy to argue that absolutely no journalism is required.
Try again please.
Also, I didn't ask for a narrative about why the Wii U isn't getting third party support, but rather a detailed analysis of the disconnect between EA's promised support versus their current lack of support for the Wii U. Their relationship.
Canis lupus
Member
Nintendo has their hands full supporting WiiU and 3DS, even they have been outsourcing.
George Claw M.D.
Member
Honestly. I got caught up in fanfic 2/3 through my post. So, forget the logic in that last part. lol
If you had the capacity to think long term you would care.
If we were talking about wildly different architectures I would agree with you but that's not the case here.
I don't know how strained Nintendo's relationship with EA has become but Nintendo needs to desperately create a team just dedicated to doing the optimizations and creating unique features for 3rd party platform games. If they can't even entice support with that they would be lucky to get half the support the previous Wii received.
Sure, but projects being green lit and then canned down the line because of poor sales is something that does happen. Such reports were an almost weekly occurence during the early days of the 3DS and Vita. Who is to say EA weren't planning a Wii U release, at least at some concept level, and then scrapped it once third party sales crashed through the floor?
Bad blood or not - and I'm not doubting that does exist - current sales trends on the Wii U are going to prove critically damaging, whether that applies now or in another year down the line. Developers and publishers aren't obliged to commit (or should that be waste) resource to every system on the market if they don't think doing so is to their direct benefit. It's easy to see why the Wii U version of the game wouldn't be.