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[mentalfloss]

Mind you, I don't think they are shunning anyone, but reading the thread about Tomb Raider needing 5M+ in sales to make a dime was an eye opener.

Kind of helps explain why Square Enix is in the position it's in and why Star Wars Old Republic was such a massive failure for EA.

These third parties are taking less risks and creating uninspired games that just aren't selling enough to warrant their existence. The doom and gloom in Nintendo's direction is a bit of a distraction from the the industry's most volatile pitfall - the ever increasing costs of development.

I mean, talk about misdirected fury here.

EA is having to give up free games because of the nightmare that is Sim City and they are also hemorrhaging dollars due to the belligerent failure of Crysis 3's high production brovado.

But, hey, Nintendo - who typically receives healthy profits over most of the duration of each generation cycle and is by magnitudes of order significantly more successful than Sony/MS - is in some serious trouble.

 

[TheNatural]

I am completely critical of the system and things they have done to sell it. There've been a million and one missteps... it doesn't mean I have to subscribe to the doom and gloom rantings of people in here after 4 months of it being on sale -- nor do I have to accept it when some of you try to use certain user-posts to tar everyone in the thread with the same brush.

"Sums up the thread" was factually and objectively wrong on every level.

Not really, considering everyone of these threads is a bunch of biased excuse making. It's not third parties fault Wii U is bombing on the market, and it's not their job to throw money down a sinkhole to support it.

That's all anyone is saying. I don't think that's doom and gloom, the only ones who bring that up are people who like you who act like Nintendo is a family member instead of a company that you have to defend in every one of these threads.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Nintendo lost the 15 year old COD fans ages ago. Nintendo should focus on Nintendo fans and more casual gamers, like they did with the Wii.

Nintendo is focusing on their fans though. It's just on their favorite son the 3DS. Wii U is sort of an afterthought.

 

[kinggroin]

no, it's doing better than that.

still, it's not doing well enough!

Not that over 10% market share is bad... but when you're the #1 third party game, with a big budget and 1st party support, you'd really want around 30%

Man, this system needs momentum fast.

It didn't really get two of those things...


But I agree about better sales, more in the principal of this being a solid title horror fans shouldn't miss out on (especially considering how many complain about the direction their favorite "horror" series has taken).

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I'm talking about actual profitability, not about what you somehow believe Nintendo wants just because they say it.

"The business model doesn't change dramatically, in that as soon as we get the consumer to buy one piece of software, then that entire transaction becomes profit positive," Reggie said.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...akes-one-game-sale-to-make-a-wii-u-profitable

The n64 and GC were profitable. So why dd Nintndo feel the need to switch things up so badly with the Wii? Why didn't they just maintain the profitable course if that's all they care about? Could it be that dwindling mind and market share (like the n64 and GC had, and like the Wii U is currently exhibiting) are a threat to those precious profits?

 

[radioheadrule83]

Not really, considering everyone of these threads is a bunch of biased excuse making. It's not third parties fault Wii U is bombing on the market, and it's not their job to throw money down a sinkhole to support it.

That's all anyone is saying.

I think I've observed slightly more varied discussion than that. Anyone feel I'm wrong here?

I don't think that's doom and gloom, the only ones who bring that up are people who like you who act like Nintendo is a family member instead of a company that you have to defend in every one of these threads.

As with SmokyDave, if all you've got is ad hominems, its pointless even trying to talk to you... I'll just monitor the discussion everyone else is trying to have

 

[AZ Greg]

Some of these comments remind me of two years ago when the 3DS was struggling.

They remind me more of the Gamecube...

Please stop it with this BS. There is plenty to play on the Wii U currently. If none of those games appeal to you, then that's fine, but you shouldn't vomit hyperbole of this sort.

If there really is "plenty to play" then the current market performance of the system should be even more alarming.

 

[Comet]

Some of these comments remind me of two years ago when the 3DS was struggling.

Except the 3DS was up against the dud that is the Vita (and I say that as someone who loves his Vita and is dying for more support). The WiiU is struggling against the 360 and PS3. Things are only going to get uglier with the PS4 and 720. The 3DS and Wii U are operating in completely different contexts. The Wii U situation is by far worse than what the 3DS had to overcome.

 

[Takamura-San]

The way each manufacturer has successfully carved out some marketshare in this industry, it should be expected that you will need to buy at least 2/3 consoles unless you decide to deliberately restrict yourself from a certain set of games.

Wii60 made me a very happy man this gen.

Next gen it will be Wii U + one of the bro-soles.

Or if you can only afford one, why buy the one with less 3rd pt support?

 

[kinggroin]

Or if you can only afford one, why buy the one with less 3rd pt support?

Or the one without the Nintendo games.


Its a stupid argument that'll just take folks in circles.

 

[SmokyDave]

As with SmokyDave, if all you've got is ad hominems, its pointless even trying to talk to you... I'll just monitor the discussion everyone else is trying to have

Excuse me? Ad hominems? Where?

 

[Bel_Air_Jeff]

Or if you can only afford one, why buy the one with less 3rd pt support?

BECAUSE NINTENDO GAMES ARE QUALITY

 

[TheNatural]

I think I've observed slightly more varied discussion than that. Anyone feel I'm wrong here?



As with SmokyDave, if all you've got is ad hominems, its pointless even trying to talk to you... I'll just monitor the discussion everyone else is trying to have

It's pointless to even try to talk to anyone else when the only thing ever responded is an excuse that EVERY SINGLE third party game has something wrong with it that's preventing it's sales from quadtripling to make them decent.

If you have people defending sales by saying they shouldn't count because the game came out at launch - but a week late from other versions - even though it was on the market the rest of the holiday same as anything else, there's nothing to discuss.

You're right, if people have decided to be stupid and dismiss every sales figure for every irrelevant reason, and blame third parties in every one of these threads, it is pointless.

 

[shinobi602]

"We are not actively looking at the Wii U right now."

He said that the next entry in the military shooter series "will release on the platforms that we feel are suitable for the gaming experience that we have".

http://www.computerandvideogames.co...actively-looking-at-wii-u-wont-talk-next-gen/

Guess the Wii U isn't "suitable" for the game experience but 360/PS3 are.

 

[Takamura-San]

BECAUSE NINTENDO GAMES ARE QUALITY

All caps is not helping your argument.

I believe that I'm not alone in believing that Nintendo games are not carrying that much weight anymore. Much more when they don't come that often and they are comprised of the same IPs.

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

Or maybe that guy actually has no interest in any of those games? I've owned every console the past two generations and plan on at least buying a PS4. Except for Tomb
Raider I have zero interest in any of the
games he listed no matter which consoles they come out on.

this isn't the first time we've seen this kind of attitude before. just go into any thread about how game x isn't coming to the wiiU and you can actually see some people gloat how they're glad that it's not coming.
mgs rising not on the wiiU? another beautiful quote from dragonfart28:

No thanks.
It's nice to see shitty side projects on other consoles for once.

i'm sorry, but this is just straight denial. As if having a more diverse library of games is somehow harmful to the platform. More games means more diversity which will bring more people to the platform. This isn't about personal preferences (you can choose to buy them or not), but being glad that games aren't coming to your platform of choice is just silly. do i care about bf4? no. do i care about crysis3? no. am i happy that it's coming to the ps3, pc and ps4 (a platform which i'm inclined to buy)? absolutely, it means the userbase might grow, prove publishers that it's a viable platform and will get them to make more games on there.

 

[Bel_Air_Jeff]

All caps is not helping your argument.

I believe that I'm not alone in believing that Nintendo games are not carrying that much weight anymore. Much more when they don't come that often and they are comprised of the same IPs.

What were the highest rated games of all time? What consoles were they on?

How bout the highest rated games of last generation?

 

[SeanR1221]

what did you expect after this?



is the game on the wiiU? great game (even if it's a late port). not on the wiiU? fucking disappointment.

Cognitive dissonance up in here!

 

[mentalfloss]

Or if you can only afford one, why buy the one with less 3rd pt support?

I think his argument is that you should buy at least 2/3 if you want a relatively full experience from the console side of things.

I would have to agree.

My Wii library is about 25% larger than my 360 library, but I wouldn't be nearly as satiated from this gen without games from both systems. Nintendo brings in added value with their "gimmick" and I would be remiss to not experience some excellent motion-based games in addition to the conventional ones of the 360 library.

I've already had the pleasure of experience the same thing with Wii U's gamepad.

 

[The Horror the horror]

All caps is not helping your argument.

I believe that I'm not alone in believing that Nintendo games are not carrying that much weight anymore. Much more when they don't come that often and they are comprised of the same IPs.

Not including Wii Sports (which was a pack-in, so a bit unfair), how much software do you think Nintendo sold last generation? Where are you getting this impression that Nintendo games don't carry the same weight as before?

 

[SmokyDave]

What were the highest rated games of all time? What consoles were they on?

How bout the highest rated games of last generation?

Try this over the course of the last generation. Look at metacritic averages and then look at lists of award winners. Add 'em all together and I think you'll be a little bit shocked.

Hell, I'll save you the time: Nintendo loses. Hard.

 

[Meelow]

Except the 3DS was up against the dud that is the Vita (and I say that as someone who loves his Vita and is dying for more support). The WiiU is struggling against the 360 and PS3. Things are only going to get uglier with the PS4 and 720. The 3DS and Wii U are operating in completely different contexts. The Wii U situation is by far worse than what the 3DS had to overcome.

Expect the 3DS is also competing with iOS/Smartphones/etc, not just Vita.

And some people seem to forget that the Wii U is competing with the PS3/360/PS4/720 but the PS4/720 will also be competing with PS3/360/WiiU

Just because the PS4/720 are coming out doesn't mean people will stop buying PS3/360 and automatically jump ship to the successors, not everyone can afford that and with cross gen games seemingly being more popular it might give people a more of a reason to stay on with the PS3/360 for a little longer.

That's what I think at least.

 

[Takamura-San]

What were the highest rated games of all time? What consoles were they on?

How bout the highest rated games of last generation?

Are you using ratings as your argument?

Do you truly believe that Nintendo is the only developer creating quality game? Do you truly believe that at this point, only Nintendo games can carry a console?

 

[Tobor]

I think his argument is that you should buy at least 2/3 if you want a relatively full experience from the console side of things.

I would have to agree.

My Wii library is about 25% larger than my 360 library, but I wouldn't be nearly as satiated from this gen without games from both systems.

The current state of PC has changed things. Better to get a decent gaming PC and one console depending on your taste in exclusives. I'm going PC/PS4 this gen for that very reason.

Nintendo games aren't enough to get me to buy hardware anymore.

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

What were the highest rated games of all time? What consoles were they on?

gamerankings top50 (just grabbing everything, didn't even look at what's in it):

12 games on nintendo platforms
14 games on microsoft platforms
14 games on sony platforms
8 games on pc
2 games on sega platforms

 

[Bel_Air_Jeff]

Scores are not the total basis of my argument. But as a gamer that's sick of a lot of generic games coming out..

Nintendo does a pretty good job to deliver a quality experience.


It's stupid arguing over stuff like this.
Because it just comes down to opinion.

I love video games. All games.

I'm most satisfied by nintendo games.

But there are some games out there not made by Nintendo that also hit the spot.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Expect the 3DS is also competing with iOS/Smartphones/etc, not just Vita.

And some people seem to forget that the Wii U is competing with the PS3/360/PS4/720 but the PS4/720 will also be competing with PS3/360/WiiU

Just because the PS4/720 are coming out doesn't mean they will be instinct success like some people think, doesn't mean they will fail though same with Wii U.

If I'm a publisher a system that hasn't come out yet is more attractive than a system that has but is selling like trash. The prospects of what you don't know in this case help MS and Sony more than what we do know about the Wii. Also helps that Sony and Ms have an audience they will carry over from last gen whereas Wii U is trying to find an audience.

 

[SlipperyFishes]

Obligatory "unprecedented partnership" comment.

Complete horseshite if you ask me

 

[Takamura-San]

Not including Wii Sports (which was a pack-in, so a bit unfair), how much software do you think Nintendo sold last generation? Where are you getting this impression that Nintendo games don't carry the same weight as before?

With the Wii is more of an attach ratio. With the amounts of wiis sold you would think that Nintendo Games would have sold more.

But, my comment was more on personal opinion as someone that regretted buying the Wii and the feeling that this is why WiiU is struggling to find an audience.

Scores are not the total basis of my argument. But as a gamer that's sick of a lot of generic games coming out..

Nintendo does a pretty good job to deliver a quality experience.


It's stupid arguing over stuff like this.
Because it just comes down to opinion.

I love video games. All games.

I'm most satisfied by nintendo games.

But there are some games out there not made by Nintendo that also hit the spot.

And those are not coming to the WiiU.

This may not be a deal breaker for you, but for some (many) it is. You may be satisfied with Nintendo's offerings, but to presume that everyone can justify a nintendo console on just that sounds foolish to me. The current sales numbers seem to be proving the point.

 

[Mooreberg]

Lol.

And yet a PS4/XB3 version (who will have an install base of or near zero at this game's launch) is incoming. Good stuff, EA.

Rewind to 2005. Call of Duty 2 being the biggest launch title on Xbox 360 was the investment of a lifetime.

 

[velvet_nitemare]

That sounded more like "we are not speaking to Nintendo because they stole our boyfriends!". Either that, or they can "spread too thin" because most of their people is busy listening to music to license and put into the game (maybe even by doing sleep-overs).

Seriously, EA is acting like a child which was denied a candy, and now is pouting in the back of the classroom, not speaking to the teacher anymore.

But this is "Generic FPS: The Sequel: The cinematic experience: Now with water, and boats!". How hard can be sell that on any system? Unless, of course, that public is already fixed with the "my-graphix-are-bigger-than-yours" consoles.

This post is absolutely filled with bitterness. Hilarious.

 

[Meelow]

If I'm a publisher a system that hasn't come out yet is more attractive than a system that has but is selling like trash. The prospects of what you don't know in this case help MS and Sony more than what we do know about the Wii. Also helps that Sony and Ms have an audience they will carry over from last gen whereas Wii U is trying to find an audience.

Edited my post a little too late, sorry lol.

Anyway, they might have an audience but like I said in my edit, not everyone that has a PS3/360 will automatically move to PS4/720 at launch or if at all, games are what will bring people over.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

this isn't the first time we've seen this kind of attitude before. just go into any thread about how game x isn't coming to the wiiU and you can actually see some people gloat how they're glad that it's not coming.
mgs rising not on the wiiU? another beautiful quote from dragonfart28:


i'm sorry, but this is just straight denial. As if having a more diverse library of games is
somehow harmful to the platform. More games means more diversity which will bring more people to the platform. This isn't about
personal preferences (you can choose to buy
them or not), but being glad that games aren't coming to your platform of choice is just silly. do i care about bf4? no. do i care about crysis3? no. am i happy that it's coming to the ps3, pc and ps4 (a platform which i'm inclined to buy)? absolutely, it
means the userbase might grow, prove
publishers that it's a viable platform and will
get them to make more games on there.

I'm not saying its not possible that
Dragonfart and some others aren't total fanboys. But you also shouldn't paint so
broadly with your brush to assume that just because people don't care about these
games that they're some kind of Nintendo defense force.

I honestly couldnt care less about a bunch of ports that came out months ago coming to Wii U. I didn't play them on my PS3 or 360 when they came out either. And I don't care about Battlefield.

And the logic that people are going to buy a Wii U to play these months old ports that they could buy a PS3/360 (for cheaper) to play is just ridiculous. No one sees Metal Gear Rising Wii U as a system seller.

I'm just saying you shouldn't count everyone with these opinions as illogical fanboys when there are perfectly viable reasons why these games not coming to Wii U wouldn't bother you.

 

[dragonfart28]

I'm pretty sure I made it clear that I was just lucky that I simply don't care about most of the games denied from Wii U. That it was my personal opinion and not representative of good news for the Wii U library or for people who do want these games on Wii U.

I also couldn't give as much of a crap because I recognize the console industry is segmented now more than ever.

All signs point to the fact that next gen will be all about the exclusives, not universal third party support.

Am I glad I own the console that has Lego City Stories?

You bet your ass I am.

But a universal third party effort like BF4 means that I could roll the DICE on the other two platforms and still own the game.

 

[MormaPope]

Try this over the course of the last generation. Look at metacritic averages and then look at lists of award winners. Add 'em all together and I think you'll be a little bit shocked.

Hell, I'll save you the time: Nintendo loses. Hard.

People will probably still argue that a half dozen or dozen excellent Wii titles outweigh the multiple dozens of excellent 360/PS3/PC titles this gen, the ole "quality vs quantity" argument.

Thing is, you have both quantity and quality with owning a 360/PS3/PC, I own over 50 physical games for the 360 and about 20 digital titles. I'm recently buying more GoD games due to actual price cuts and sales, I started to dive into XBLA more often if there isn't a good retail release for the week.

PS3 and PSN are the same, Steam is the end all be all for finding an infinite amount of experiences, the value of the Wii just seems much more minimal when compared to anything else.

 

[Shady859]

Should be 1 post of news and 23 pages of replies along the line of: shocking, no shit sherlock, not surprised and nanna nanna boo boo stick your head in doo doo.

 

[AniHawk]

Try this over the course of the last generation. Look at metacritic averages and then look at lists of award winners. Add 'em all together and I think you'll be a little bit shocked.

Hell, I'll save you the time: Nintendo loses. Hard.

yeah, but the awards are mostly all given by western publications to western companies for making art games that are art. take you can go back to 2007 when it started with bioshock, and follow it through with gta iv in 2008, uncharted 2 (UNCHARTED 2) in 2009, mass effect 2 in 2010, portal 2 in 2011, and the walking dead in 2012.

the odd man out in that list might seem like it's the walking dead, but it's really portal 2. and 2010 in particular was an amazing year for japanese games (bayonetta, 999, vanquish, sin & punishment 2, peace walker, infinite space, super mario galaxy 2, etc), but very few received the recognition they deserved.

 

[The Horror the horror]

Try this over the course of the last generation. Look at metacritic averages and then look at lists of award winners. Add 'em all together and I think you'll be a little bit shocked.

Hell, I'll save you the time: Nintendo loses. Hard.

Awesome way to illustrate the diminishing quality and influence of Nintendo's games. One publisher vs. the entire first/third party development community.

 

[btkadams]

did any interviewers ask if it was coming to vita or why it isn't coming to vita?

i'm sure the answer is as obvious as the wii u one, but i sort of expected battlefield/cod ports this fall after seeing how that awful cod vita actually sold well.

 

[shandy706]

If Nintendo had simply released the Wii 2 and Wii Sports HD, I think they would have more sales.

It wouldn't take much.

 

[akidnamededdy]

"I'd rather play it safe, deliver something really good and then look at the future and what could possibly be done than trying a bit too hard and [failing]."

Oh EA...nobody's worried about you trying too hard.

 

[John Harker]

It didn't really get two of those things...


But I agree about better sales, more in the principal of this being a solid title horror fans shouldn't miss out on (especially considering how many complain about the direction their favorite "horror" series has taken).

it actually got both!

 

[AranhaHunter]

did any interviewers ask if it was coming to vita or why it isn't coming to vita?

i'm sure the answer is as obvious as the wii u one, but i sort of expected battlefield/cod ports this fall after seeing how that awful cod vita actually sold well.

Vita will be able to play Battlefield 4, but not natively. A spin off, Battlefield Bad Company 3 though would be most welcome.....will never happen.

 

[10k]

Thank god I got a PC for next gen otherwise I'm never playing any games (with the exception of Wii U first party games).

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

What were the highest rated games of all time? What consoles were they on?

How bout the highest rated games of last generation?

Console wars over actual discussion? What is happening here?

 

[TunaLover]

I can see Sony and MS actively pushing EA to release the game in their next-gen platforms, while Nintendo sits doing nothing.

 

[SmokedMeat]

BECAUSE NINTENDO GAMES ARE QUALITY

And the others aren't?

 

[Pociask]

It's pointless to even try to talk to anyone else when the only thing ever responded is an excuse that EVERY SINGLE third party game has something wrong with it that's preventing it's sales from quadtripling to make them decent.

If you have people defending sales by saying they shouldn't count because the game came out at launch - but a week late from other versions - even though it was on the market the rest of the holiday same as anything else, there's nothing to discuss.

You're right, if people have decided to be stupid and dismiss every sales figure for every irrelevant reason, and blame third parties in every one of these threads, it is pointless.

True or false - video game sales are front loaded. Are you unwilling to admit it, or incapable? Please, no excuses.

Anyway, how front loaded could a series like CoD be, anyway? It's not like they get a ton of sales in their first week:

Activision Publishing announced on Friday that Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3, which exploded onto store shelves this past Wednesday, has set an all-time sales record with an estimated 6.5 million copies sold in North America and the United Kingdom alone. It also registered more than $400 million in sales. This is the third consecutive day-one launch record for the company, following the releases of Call of Duty: Black Ops ($360 million) and Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 ($310 million).

Activision Publishing announced that for the fourth consecutive year, the Call of Duty franchise has delivered the biggest entertainment launch of the year. The highly-anticipated Call of Duty: Black Ops II has achieved an estimated sell-through of more than $500 million worldwide in the first 24 hours of its release, according to Chart-Track, retail customer sell-through information and internal company estimates.

"With first day sales of over half a billion dollars worldwide, we believe Call of Duty is the biggest entertainment launch of the year for the fourth year in a row," said Bobby Kotick, CEO, Activision Blizzard, Inc. "Life-to-date sales for the Call of Duty franchise have exceeded worldwide theatrical box office receipts for "Harry Potter" and "Star Wars," the two most successful movie franchises of all time. Given the challenged macro-economic environment, we remain cautious about the balance of 2012 and 2013."

 

[AzaK]

Nintendo only gamers only have themselves to blame.

I have a 360 but I would prefer all my new games to be on Wii U because I prefer That platform. I am actually extremely reluctant to buy 360 games now and in fact mostly I just won't bother. BF 4 should have been on Wii U plain and simple.

 

[Iacobellis]

Gamecube got the bulk of EA's games, though!

Someone agrees! Wii U is more of an N64 2.