Aquamarine
Member
Number of Wii U consoles shipped worldwide: 6.68 million as of June 30th, 2014
Number of Bayonetta 2 copies sold: 33,000 copies sold in Japan + 45,000 preorders in the USA according to VG Chartz
There...that good enough for you?
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Bayonetta 2 off to a slow start in Japan [Update: Week 2 sales]
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Number of Wii U consoles shipped worldwide: 6.68 million as of June 30th, 2014
Number of Bayonetta 2 copies sold: 33,000 copies sold in Japan + 45,000 preorders in the USA according to VG Chartz
There...that good enough for you?
data reporting can be read in two ways i feel. that was where the joke was born, and began its long journey, across the great planes of stretching.
Not actively, but by not supporting the developer or genre by buying the game, you are passively working against them.
Poimandres
Member
Bayonetta 2 was always going to sell poorly, regardless of the platform. It's just that it's going to sell more poorly being a Wii U exclusive. But, if Nintendo hadn't saved the game it wouldn't exist in the first place so the best thing to do is detach yourself from sales and enjoy what's sure to be a fantastic game!
I wonder if anyone had expectations that this game would sell well? Seriously, everyone could see this bombing from a mile away. I don't think I've seen even a single person thinking this would sell well.
I wonder if anyone had expectations that this game would sell well? Seriously, everyone could see this bombing from a mile away. I don't think I've seen even a single person thinking this would sell well.
Yep, true.
Is it worth it? What's the point of making a game, the game you want, if few people get the chance to appreciate your work and the effort you put for years in it?
Personal gratification, sure, but I wonder how devs feel when a game bomb in sales. Personal gratification is important, especially for passionate people like I imagine are PG's, but I'm sure no one would be sad if his game is acclaimed by critics and a success in sales. (edit: and this is where marketing makes the difference. With good marketing you can sell overpriced shit and make people thank you for that.. you just have to know how to do it.)
If there's someone who doesn't care, probably, that's Kamiya.. he already knows he's the best no matter what, lol.
SneakyStephan
Banned
This is a really really naive stance (and a really unhealthy one from a consumer standpoint)
Your vote (for or against) has no impact, the market is too big.
Every dev studio whose games I care about (bar a handful) have been closed, I supported them too.
Play what you want when you want it and because you want it and accept that like a pet your favorite devs are not going to be around forever.
You have absolutely no obligation to buy anything just for the sake of trying to keep something alive. If you want to turn it into a charity or a guilt thing there are ten thousand more noble and important causes to support.
The amount of consumer guilt on these forums is mindboggling.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Bayonetta 2, like The Wonderful 101, was obviously paid for and greenlit before Wii U launched and Nintendo had any idea how bad it was going to do. So yeah I'd expect they hoped such games would give the Wii U an air of legitimacy among core game players.
But like others have said there's no surprises here. It was always going to sell modestly with small chance of becoming a break out hit. At this point, it seems people should take these games for what they have become: good will projects by Nintendo that provide evidence they're (slowly) shifting their priorities around.
But like others have said there's no surprises here. It was always going to sell modestly with small chance of becoming a break out hit. At this point, it seems people should take these games for what they have become: good will projects by Nintendo that provide evidence they're (slowly) shifting their priorities around.
My not purchasing the game doesn't equal -1 sale for them however, it stays at a 0. Now if I went out on some tirade in the streets/stores about how to not buy it for whatever reason then yes I would be creating a -1 or whatever sale (maybe) but at the moment no.
It just doesn't interest me.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
The man has already said on twitter that 0 people here, in this thread, know their companies situation or the budget of the game so all the mathematics and drama is just us self manufacturing it. Yes as much as we dont like it we "self-manufacture" alot of stuff because you know what? Nobody here knows jack.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
I like both.
Lionel Richie
Member
I'm really curious, do tell what you think the Wii U audience is.
Why isn't there ever a percentage which takes into consideration the install bases between platforms? It really isn't fair to expect a Wii U game to sell as well as a PS3 and Xbox 360 game. Also, we don't know the sales target set for the game, taking it as face value is a ubisoftian thing to do.
It makes the game becomes less well-known, and the series will die due to the majority will forget about it, and will not buy the future installment.
Oh well, this is like watching Old Yeller or Bambi's mom scene in slow motion...We still have the West!
Please get up Mother...
I still don't believe any amount of marketing would have helped much and here's why.
Nintendo are basically trying to sell a game to an audience that hasn't existed on their consoles for nearly a decade, if not, more.
Clearly platinum and Nintendo better understand the market!
illmatic22
Banned
It was gonna sell like shit regardless of platform.
shouamabane
Member
I can't say I'm surprised. It's my most anticipated game right now.
FlamingHawk
Banned
It won't make the game any less fun but you sure as hell can expect less games like bayonetta 2 and more Mario on the Wii U.
We're already in extended time with this series. This is like getting a time extension in an arcade racer, but you hit the checkpoint at like 1 second left and they didn't give you enough time to get to the next one, but you just try to enjoy it anyway. There's some chance it would glitch out and give you more time, but you know that it's 99.9% not going to happen.
Knew about everything but the TV ads which has been the sticking point with me with them in the past. The thought and belief being they'd reach far more people with those then all the other things. If they did try then it's only so much they can do. I do wonder if they only do near midnight ads in Japan like they do for some games in the US.
Which very well might not have any pay off until their next system. You can't change things overnight. It took them years to end up with low numbers in certain demographics and it will take years to rebuilt that and in that time money has to be spent.
illmatic22
Banned
heh
Well Nintendo has somehow stayed in business for 125 years, so maybe they know SOMETHING...maybe....
alf717
Member
Exactly. They call themselves fans and yet ignore anything in hopes the game comes to their beloved. Just like how they waited 10+ years for REmake to finally come to their platform of choice effectively ruining the franchise in the process. Some people are so stubborn. If you call yourself a gamer than game instead of bitch about platform choice which is the only thing the first post nailed this time. The "I told ya so's" are probably so proud of themselves right now.
Fucking console warriors
shadowsdarknes
Member
The Xbox 360 with a small userbase still managed to do much more.
So that's not a sufficient excuse.
lol
Hey, we're still on for our fight, right?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=131411834&postcount=107
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=131411834&postcount=108
The series was already dead though...
StreetsAhead
Member
Classic avoidance of the point.
SolidSnakex
Member
Why are you expecting people to pay $300 to play one game? They may very well love Bayonetta, but not enough to buy a console that they don't want to play the sequel.
Haha this blends in so perfectly on the dark theme.
Also yeah, It's on Wii U only etc...
shadowsdarknes
Member
The chances of a Bayonetta 3 are probably even smaller now.
Astral Dog
Member
Im not saying they DONT care, just thet they will not be announcing it on fucking Twitter,remember that Nintendo funded the game before the Wii U was even a thing, it was a RISK, but Platinum wanted to finish the game they already started, and they werent going to sabotage it for low sales,like some people said, after all, the Quality of their games is the reason they are still here, of course they are going to focus on that instead of the sales.
This post is some pretty funny satire, but I will be buying a Wii U console for this, when I decide to play it.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
How many Bayonettas do you want really though???
I figured a ways back that this would be the last game in the series.
I thought people wanted new IPs but of course that is only an argument convenient for an agenda(not directing that at you) as in all actuality, they want the same games over and over again.
SwiftDeath
Member
There is. It's referred to as an attach rate and has been denoted two or three times in this thread so far
Bayonetta 2 on Wii U had a 2% attach rate on 1.9M consoles
Bayonetta 1 had a 5.5% attach rate on 1.15M consoles
Bayonetta 1 sold much better on 360 which was a notably smaller install base
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
They didn't make video games all that time. Not mention that it was always a very Japan centric company that never seems to quite get the needs of the international market.
Whoa now...It isn't dead yet.
I told my kids that Bambi's mom was just sleeping, and Bay 2 will be a sleeper hit in the West as well.
Yup...yup...just waiting for both of them to wake up.
It launched with Monster Hunter
I really want to see how a PS4 JP launch with a Monster Hunter (non-Frontier shit obv) would have done. I think really well.
Wickerbasket
Member
Because past performance is indicative of the future success
It's not
If the game sells like that in the West, then the franchise is dead and buried.
Beggars can't be choosers.
I'd argue that their stubbornness regarding "modern" gaming standards is both the best and the worst thing about the company.
As usual.
GAF we should start a campaign for this game to get more notice. I mean I don't even know if Nintendo is gonna advertise it, I sure as hell hope they do. Bayonetta 1 & Bayonetta 2 for $60 is a hell of a deal.
Akhe
Member
Oh well, just imagine if Bayo 2 was released on PS4 or XBOX1= D
SwiftDeath
Member
Versus 2 days for what is clearly a niche game on a niche platform. You really think those extra 2 days of tracking is going to double its sales with how front-loaded games are in general?
Dead and buried, just like, you know, it WAS BEFORE THEY SAVED IT!
Also, past performance certainly doesn't guarantee success, but it certainly increases the odds imo. It shows that the people there know how to be successful-it's not like 125 years is just lightning in a bottle.
Developers clearly don't want their games to succeed on Wii U. You have third parties releasing months old ports, then you have Platinum releasing sequels to games years past due and they expect people to just buy their games? I see a pattern of developers undermining consumer confidence. I bet they won't even release any DLC. I guess they are just releasing this to honor some contractual obligation. I'm never buying another Platinum game again.
I kid
I kidmaking it the top-selling current gen console probably until some time in late 2016.