abstract alien
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This is possible, but it was announced by Reggie himself on the american conference. Highly likely it's coming :^)
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Bayonetta 2 - WiiU (Director: Yusuke Hashimoto, Pub: Nintendo, Supervision:Kamiya)
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This is possible, but it was announced by Reggie himself on the american conference. Highly likely it's coming :^)
oh snap, my heart...
Will a new Valkyria Chronicles force the most hardcore opposing fanboys to pick up a Wii U? If Bayonetta 2 can't do it then surely VC can.
abstract alien
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Yes, I played dmc 2 & 3 and enjoyed both, obviously I liked 3 a lot more, though I never did compete dmd difficulty, though I did get quite far!
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Bayonetta is to 3D fighting mechanics/design as Galaxy 2 is to 3D platforming design.
I think you're taking the dialogue too seriously.
DaSorcerer7
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GayForMaster
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The Dialogue isn't horrible... it's meant to be hilarious. Isn't supposed to be taken seriously most of the time either.
Yes i agree totally, although i really, really hope the game is fully enjoyable with the PRO controller. Hopefully B2 will be 60 fps all the time.
Well if that's the case then I need to make sure I pick this up too. At the least I have Arkham Armored edition to hold me over for a bit.
I've been replaying the demo tonight and yea i'm definitely need to get the original game. :3
it's like people forget how 3/4 of the cutscenes are comedic skits.
abstract alien
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No, I'm taking it for what it is set out to be. Yes, its zany, and insane, and all these other adjectives....but it's also bad. Bad at what it does, and bad at entertaining me. You could delete them from the game and the game itself would get better. That means they either need to become better, or become nonexistent. I only take games for what they set to be and represent themselves to be, and I did the same with this one, so I judged it as such.
The dialog wasn't funny or good, it was just crazy, bad and got in the way, just like the QTE spots in the game.
Yeah, I do want them to stick to their guns with this one. It's what people are asking for, and I think it's a nice approach for them at this point with it. I just want a few non intrusive features that are cool, yet not a part of the man game and can me disregarded entirely. Bonus features with lots of style, if you will.
I guess it is too difficult for the hard-working journos at Craptaku to do a little research.
Bad ones at that. I mean I loved the gameplay in Bayo, but the story did bring it down to me I can't deny it.
And the vehicle parts too.
"Hey! Let's try to get those angry people on our side! Post a article that strengthens their stupid points against a Wii U version of Bayonetta 2!"
Too lazy to fact check? That's awesome work, Kotaku.
The rest of the article was pretty awful as well. He even admitted that Bayonetta 2 wouldn't likely exist without Nintendo, which makes the title incredibly stupid.
Fried Food
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I need this game
So a shitty dlc of the perfection that is the prequel?
Lord Ghirahim
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GayForMaster
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So Bayonetta 2 might go multi-plat? He doesn't want to alienate his fans but how's a game published by nintendo gonna get released on 360/ps3?
That isn't implied anywhere in that interview.
Where do you get this from in that interview?
Spieler Eins
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I wouldn't say shitty, but it definitely didn't feel like a proper main Mario entry and more like something that would have been DLC now on WiiU, although SMG1 would have still been perfection the way it is.
grimshawish
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The Verge and sites like it have a lot of bollocks but increasingly games journalism is looking like a complete fucking joke - you'd think it would have matured by now.
Verge asking the right question and I bet that article gets more hits than all the other stupid shit. Why? Because people like to learn answers to the questions they themselves have wondered.
Your an idiot.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I kinda hope with that other thread up all the questionable posts would go there instead.
Well, gamers.
Well, gamers.
Black-Wind
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Hopefully they port Bayonetta 1 to Wii U or make it a pack in with B2.
That game and a hand full of RPGs is really the main reason I want to get a 360 at some point.
That game and a hand full of RPGs is really the main reason I want to get a 360 at some point.
Kamiya got asked about that on Twitter and gave coy responses, I wouldn't be shocked to see it happen.
Supermanisdead
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Wow, I've never read a worst post on neogaf. Mario Galaxy 2 is better than Galaxy 1.
that's funny
It seems there are Nintendo staffers helping with Bayonetta 2.
https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/249401468434669568
https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/249401468434669568
timetokill
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What a terrible article.
Neff
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Many including myself disagree.
I bought Smash Brothers Melee. Why did Nintendo make me buy a Wii for Brawl abloo abloo
is basically what it boils down to. you wouldn't be hearing this shit if Bayonetta 2 had been announced as a PS4/720 game at E3 2013
For those of you who haven't played Bayonetta but might be interested in this:
Imagine a simple action game which has combos (like DMC, or GoW, or NG - whichever). Let's take a simple combo like punch --> kick --> punch.
In some games, you have to press PKP in quick succession to deliver the combo. Let's bring this up a notch, and allow the player to hold down a button to delay the combo delivery. So, punch --> kick --> hoooooold --> punch. This flexibility in timing is nice, allows you to not jump right into the enemy attack or something, or to time your combo to hit just before the enemy's own attack. Nice, but simple.
Now, let's attach some weapons to your arms and legs. Let's say, automatic pistols. So you can punch and kick, but whenever you hold one a P or a K, your pistols will keep shooting at the enemy. This allows you to continuously stay on the offensive even when you're stalling an attack/combo.
Don't you hate it when some games don't allow you to cancel attacks? Say, if you commit to a combo, you can't back out of it, even if you realize you screwed up and are going to get hit. Let's add a simple design element - you can dodge/cancel any attack, whenever. Cool, huh? So, you can PKP, or PKhooooooldP, or PKdodge --> combo cancelled.
Okay, let's add in the master design element. Let's say you can resume your combo after dodging. PKhooooooldDODGE-->P = finish combo. So not only do you hold control of the timing of the control, not only do you continue maintaining an offensive (via rain of bullets while holding or dodging) throughout, not only can you dodge during a combo, but you can resume your combo right where you left it off. I just blew your minds.
Oh wait, there's one last crucial element I forgot to mention. You can bypass steps in the combo by timing an attack at the same time as a dodge. So, if you dodge RIGHT as you're punching or kicking, they get added up to the combo, without needing to punch or kick. So, dodge(P) --> dodge(K) --> unleash final P move from the combo = giant magic fist, without actually having gone through the early steps of the combo.
Imagine the implications during combat. You're fighting a big baddie. He strikes at you, you dodge. You dodge through the second phase of his attack as well. You've now landed behind him, get in 2 punches. By then, a smaller enemy has approached and jumps at you, you dodge that as well, and unleash the finisher move of a 6-move combo at both of the enemies at the same time. You might have pulled off a complex PPPPKK combo dynamically in the middle of a fight. With a reactive enemy, a 6-move combo can be very hard to pull off. If you're pulling it off while dodging and skipping steps (eg. while you're fighting), it becomes a reality.
That is the essence of Bayonetta's genius. It is, of course, barely scratching the surface.
Imagine a simple action game which has combos (like DMC, or GoW, or NG - whichever). Let's take a simple combo like punch --> kick --> punch.
In some games, you have to press PKP in quick succession to deliver the combo. Let's bring this up a notch, and allow the player to hold down a button to delay the combo delivery. So, punch --> kick --> hoooooold --> punch. This flexibility in timing is nice, allows you to not jump right into the enemy attack or something, or to time your combo to hit just before the enemy's own attack. Nice, but simple.
Now, let's attach some weapons to your arms and legs. Let's say, automatic pistols. So you can punch and kick, but whenever you hold one a P or a K, your pistols will keep shooting at the enemy. This allows you to continuously stay on the offensive even when you're stalling an attack/combo.
Don't you hate it when some games don't allow you to cancel attacks? Say, if you commit to a combo, you can't back out of it, even if you realize you screwed up and are going to get hit. Let's add a simple design element - you can dodge/cancel any attack, whenever. Cool, huh? So, you can PKP, or PKhooooooldP, or PKdodge --> combo cancelled.
Okay, let's add in the master design element. Let's say you can resume your combo after dodging. PKhooooooldDODGE-->P = finish combo. So not only do you hold control of the timing of the control, not only do you continue maintaining an offensive (via rain of bullets while holding or dodging) throughout, not only can you dodge during a combo, but you can resume your combo right where you left it off. I just blew your minds.
Oh wait, there's one last crucial element I forgot to mention. You can bypass steps in the combo by timing an attack at the same time as a dodge. So, if you dodge RIGHT as you're punching or kicking, they get added up to the combo, without needing to punch or kick. So, dodge(P) --> dodge(K) --> unleash final P move from the combo = giant magic fist, without actually having gone through the early steps of the combo.
Imagine the implications during combat. You're fighting a big baddie. He strikes at you, you dodge. You dodge through the second phase of his attack as well. You've now landed behind him, get in 2 punches. By then, a smaller enemy has approached and jumps at you, you dodge that as well, and unleash the finisher move of a 6-move combo at both of the enemies at the same time. You might have pulled off a complex PPPPKK combo dynamically in the middle of a fight. With a reactive enemy, a 6-move combo can be very hard to pull off. If you're pulling it off while dodging and skipping steps (eg. while you're fighting), it becomes a reality.
That is the essence of Bayonetta's genius. It is, of course, barely scratching the surface.
This idea that I read about in this thread: To not buy a game console for one game.
I tend to purchase a game console when there is a game that I just have to play. Often that is a launch game (Super Mario 64). Sometimes I have to wait a bit before such a game is available (The Wind Waker). I even bought my first PC (a mighty 486SX, 4MB RAM, 20MB harddisk, envy me you fools), so that I could play the shareware-version of Doom.
So I don`t quite get the logic behind not wanting to buy a game console for just one game. I thought that was how most people bought a game console. Wait until there is a game that you just have to play, buy the game console (or PC…
for that game. And then check out what other games that look interesting.
With the great number of games being released across any major new system from Nintendo, Microsoft or Sony, I believe that a gamer will be able to find more games on any of these platforms than he will have the capacity to play.
As for Wii U, in addition to Bayonetta 2, there are already The Wonderful 101, Zombie U, Rayman Legends, Dragon Quest X, plus a bunch of other games, both exclusive and multi-platform coming out from November onwards. Some of the multi-platform games such as Aliens: Colonial Marines may even have the best console-version on Wii U.
By the time Bayonetta 2 is ready, there should be a nice smorgasboard of Wii U games available. And if you really loved Bayonetta, then Bayonetta 2 will be a top sirloin steak dinner. Mmmmm...
If that`s not good enough for you, than you don`t deserve to play Bayonetta 2.
Edit: Based on Llyranor`s description of Bayonetta, I think that Bayonetta 2 will destroy me. My body is ready.
I tend to purchase a game console when there is a game that I just have to play. Often that is a launch game (Super Mario 64). Sometimes I have to wait a bit before such a game is available (The Wind Waker). I even bought my first PC (a mighty 486SX, 4MB RAM, 20MB harddisk, envy me you fools), so that I could play the shareware-version of Doom.
So I don`t quite get the logic behind not wanting to buy a game console for just one game. I thought that was how most people bought a game console. Wait until there is a game that you just have to play, buy the game console (or PC…
for that game. And then check out what other games that look interesting. With the great number of games being released across any major new system from Nintendo, Microsoft or Sony, I believe that a gamer will be able to find more games on any of these platforms than he will have the capacity to play.
As for Wii U, in addition to Bayonetta 2, there are already The Wonderful 101, Zombie U, Rayman Legends, Dragon Quest X, plus a bunch of other games, both exclusive and multi-platform coming out from November onwards. Some of the multi-platform games such as Aliens: Colonial Marines may even have the best console-version on Wii U.
By the time Bayonetta 2 is ready, there should be a nice smorgasboard of Wii U games available. And if you really loved Bayonetta, then Bayonetta 2 will be a top sirloin steak dinner. Mmmmm...
If that`s not good enough for you, than you don`t deserve to play Bayonetta 2.
Edit: Based on Llyranor`s description of Bayonetta, I think that Bayonetta 2 will destroy me. My body is ready.
Karsticles
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Backtrack at every opportunity to find gates. They often appear earlier in the level. The weapons are all earned by doing things unless you want to cheat at a phone.
Saint Gregory
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Yup, the combat mechanics are flawless. I've owned the game since launch day and there are still a ton of weapon/combo possibilities I haven't explored and that's not even mentioning the incredible amount to unlock on replays.
I really like that the game gives you all the skills that you'll need to have fun finishing the game from the outset. All of the unlock skills you buy in the game are pretty much just extra flash to add to your combos unlike the DMC games where vital skills like double-jump and stinger have to be bought. The same goes for weapons too, you unlock a new weapon and that's it, all the weapon abilities and combos are available from the start.
That said there's still a lot of improvements the Bayo2 team can make to the core game design. The insta-death QTEs need to go first and foremost and please no more vehicle based levels.
grimshawish
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More shite from Kotaku:
http://kotaku.com/5945549/bayonetta...hange-from-its-creators-certain-point-of-view
They state the truth that we've all known then go on to take a dig at Platinum.
Please make sense of the following sentence Gaf:
It means nothing to me.
It pisses me off that Kotaku do get some good interviews, yet the rest of the site is such a fucking mess.
http://kotaku.com/5945549/bayonetta...hange-from-its-creators-certain-point-of-view
They state the truth that we've all known then go on to take a dig at Platinum.
Please make sense of the following sentence Gaf:
It means nothing to me.
It pisses me off that Kotaku do get some good interviews, yet the rest of the site is such a fucking mess.
He's bitter, like many, about it being on Wii U. I hope he can at least enjoy games on the platform, as many people complain no matter what Nintendo does to create interest in the platform.
abstract alien
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This element right here is usually something I simply do not like in an action game, generally speaking. The fact that there is a huge consequence taken away and a real need to think about my moves just makes games feel very weightless...and lifeless to me. That said, it actually feels very good in Bayonetta simply because it seemed to be designed around it's mechanics meticulously. Obsessively even. Just an awesome action engine that is pretty much the perfected essence of the DMC style.
One thing it actually reminded me of was Viewtiful Joe. In that game, you could cancel his punches with kicks and vice versa, but he would retract his strike as the other began. You could then cancel that attack with the opposite. Basically, if you mashed punch/kick in rapid fire succession, he would just shuffle and not through out at attack since you would give his striking limp a chance to actually reach out lol
It made the game feel so good and meaty, but was only really applicable in slow motion at certain times.
Trevelyan9999
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Hardcore fans will play the game on any console it's on if they are truly devoted to the series.
Am I missing something?
Am I missing something?
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