it makes me REALLY curious as to what kind of ideas sakurai would have about Inklings.
(And nu snake)
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it makes me REALLY curious as to what kind of ideas sakurai would have about Inklings.
(And nu snake)
Yeah, I see what you mean. More salty tears would have been shed lol.
I would have been so disappointed if Snake won the ballot. I don't hate him but it wouldn't have been interesting.
However, I'm a bit pissed that we didn't get Wolf, because come on, fuckin' Dr Mario and Lucas got a comeback, but not Wolf? That's ridiculous !
I can only imagine how intense a process it is to really get everything at this high standard.
From original character considerations, to fitting them into the Smash aesthetic, to how to represent their defining traits, and then getting all of those animations and fighting styles down to the point where they feel natural and can interact with the existing characters and game systems/physics/mechanics already in place...
I just have a massive amount of appreciation for that craft that goes into something like this. When you consider that every character has to go through this rigorous process, it's an incredible feat of a lot of hard work to get something as polished as this game is.
Monocle
Member
Saucy!
I was just playing Cloud when I noticed that one of his Advent Children costumes is missing its left sleeve and Aeris's ribbon is tied around his arm, just like the final scenes of the movie.
I thought it was more than good enough that the Advent Children costume was included, but they gave us both of its states too? That's some serious attention to detail.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Source
Castlevania coming back from the dead as Bloodstained and Banjo-Kazooie coming back from the dead as Yooka-Laylee were pretty big things too.
lmao, I should check tumblr to see whats all going on there, hope theres lots of fanart
That Dude John
Member
So what's everyone's favorite Bayo color?
I think of Bayonetta 2 as a Christmas game, so I like the fact the Bayo 2 outfit gets silver and gold variants.
Also, how will Bayo hold items when she has a gun in each hand?
EDIT:
I knew her new proportions looked familiar — they were in the original concept art:
I think of Bayonetta 2 as a Christmas game, so I like the fact the Bayo 2 outfit gets silver and gold variants.
Also, how will Bayo hold items when she has a gun in each hand?
EDIT:
I knew her new proportions looked familiar — they were in the original concept art:
That Brown Guy
Member
I openly admit I was one of the many that didn't want her in because she's a very sexual character and it wouldn't make sense to include her, despite being a massive Bayonetta fan but when I saw that reveal I instantly forgot all that bollocks and commenced losing my shit with the rest of the world!
February needs to hurry up! (Also my birthday month)
February needs to hurry up! (Also my birthday month)
So what's everyone's favorite Bayo color?
I think of Bayonetta 2 as a Christmas game, so I like the fact the Bayo 2 outfit gets silver and gold variants.
Also, how will Bayo hold items when she has a gun in each hand?
EDIT:
I knew her new proportions looked familiar they were in the original concept art:
Dat Jeane recolor is so good.
Definitely the Jeanne color.So what's everyone's favorite Bayo color?
I think of Bayonetta 2 as a Christmas game, so I like the fact the Bayo 2 outfit gets silver and gold variants.
Also, how will Bayo hold items when she has a gun in each hand?
EDIT:
I knew her new proportions looked familiar they were in the original concept art:
So what's everyone's favorite Bayo color?
I think of Bayonetta 2 as a Christmas game, so I like the fact the Bayo 2 outfit gets silver and gold variants.
Also, how will Bayo hold items when she has a gun in each hand?
EDIT:
I knew her new proportions looked familiar they were in the original concept art:
I'm glad they went with a more "human sized" model.
Her original extremely long legs creep me out for some reason
She still has the long legs, but her trunk has been shortened a tad so that her head is no longer in the stratosphere.
It looks good. And she still has the sharp silhouette and statuesque posing that makes her immediately recognizable as the Queen of Videogames.
Oh man, Anarchy Reigns was so good. Secretly one of the best Platinum titles.There was a small missed opportunity with her palettes - the best Anarchy Reigns colour should have made it in.
The white and red Amaterasu one wouldn't have been bad, either.
+ System Shock 3 announced
+ Valkyria franchise revived
Anything except Simon Belmont being in Smash, i.e. the most iconic and deserving character, or a new Castlevania being announced apparently...
Sigh...
I guess Bayo is a nice enough replacement, I mean compared to someone with the pedigree of a Mario, Link and Mega Man...
(Yes, I really think the world, aka Konami/Voters/Sakurai, failed here! Corrin, really!?)
SenorArdilla
Member
Patiently waiting for fan art.
Many hours later, it still amazes me that Bayonetta actually got in. I voted for her in Smash ballot, but realistically did not think she would make it. For a while I thought something like Wonder Bayonetta might be possible, but even that was somewhat unlikely.
Seeing her just reaffirms how much Smash has become not just a crossover fighter for Nintendo characters, but a crossover fighter representing video games as a whole.
Earlier this year we got Ryu, an icon of the biggest traditional fighting game franchise. Even Smash arguably has some roots coming from Street Fighter, and SF is an important part of Nintendo's history, as well as the history of video games in general.
We even got Pac-Man, a character recognizable from being the huge arcade hit it was, and even had console outings. The best part about Pac-Man was the fact that it was the original arcade artwork version of him, and not the creepy human-eyes modern Pac-Man. His move set not only represented his own franchise, but Namco in general. His grab was a Tractor Beam from Galaga, another important arcade game.
Mega Man being in the game was huge, as he was a character that was a gaming icon during the days of the NES, and still has a heavy influence on games going forward. It was the best possible implementation of Mega Man too, as there was a fear back then that if Mega Man would be in, they might go some awful route like "bad box art" Mega Man. He was faithful to the games he is mostly known for, and absolutely deserves to be in Smash.
Sonic returned once again, which was great seeing as he is also a major part of the history of video games, and still an icon today (even if most of his more recent games are not very good).
Other Nintendo charcters that made it into the base game were great representations of important franchises, new and old. Xenoblade Chronicles is what many consider a "modern classic", and Shulk was featured in the game. Fire Emblem Awakening was the game that saved the franchise from almost certain doom, so Lucina and Robin were included. With Robin, they really threw a pleasant surprise with that one, as it would be difficult to make a more unique move set for Chrom. Little Mac from Punch Out was included, which was a truly iconic game among both gamers and non-gamers. Even people that might have touched and NES back in the day, but don't play video games at all today would know about how difficult Bald Bull was.
Final Fantasy was another iconic series with games still coming out to this day. Sakurai was able to pull off what seemed like the impossible, and include Cloud Strife. Cloud is easily the most iconic character of that series. Just look across the internet if you don't believe me, and this would even apply to the internet 10 years ago. His inclusion was truly insane, and definitely what cemented the fact in my mind that Smash is a celebration of not only Nintendo, but video games as a whole.
The today we got Bayonetta. Bayonetta, while not having as many years as many of the other franchises involved, is still easily considered another "modern classic". It's the best modern embodiment of a character-based action game, the natural evolution of the beat-em-ups of old, featuring even more depth. The character already lends herself to fitting in Smash, and the community spoke with good taste and was able to vote her in.
Unfortunately this also confirms that Snake, another important piece of gaming history, is not returning. However I think it's fairly obvious of the reasoning for this being the dramatic downturn in sanity Konami has taken as of late. I will definitely miss Snake, but I am still extremely happy with the final roster of the game.
Sure, Smash 4 doesn't include every franchise influential on gaming as a whole, but it reaches extremely far.
Pac-Man - Arcade
Mario - NES
Mega Man - NES
Ryu - Fighting Games
Wii Fit Trainer - The modern casual games now possible with technology, and the Wii craze
All the Pokemon - Pokemon's huge reach as a franchise, and while it may not be as popular today as it was in the late 90's and early 2000's, it's influence is still felt as many people recall Pokemon from their childhood
Sonic - Sega systems
All the Fire Emblem characters - The evolution of a franchise through time, and how it did have to change, but was still able to keep what made it good
Cloud - Older RPGs, but also representing a franchise that still goes strong today
Shulk - The modern RPG, and a shining example of it
Bayonetta - The evolution of action games, and being refined over many years come down to this masterpiece.
You could even argue that there's a reference to a game that personally is one of my favorites of all time, and is considered by many another "modern classic": The World Ends With You
What am I talking about? The Streetpass minigame in the 3DS version. This is pure speculation, and I have no proof, but I'm willing to bet that Streetpass minigame was inspired by Tin Pin Slammer from TWEWY. It's the same basic concept.
Smash 4 is fucking incredible. I went into the Direct today thinking they could not possibly top Cloud, and I was still proven wrong. Bayonetta was the character I have wanted to see most ever since Mega Man.
I think it's fairly obvious that Konami would be most likely to blame for the lack of Snake, Simon Belmont, or the like. I mean you saw that Kojima officially left Konami and formed Kojima Productions somewhere else. He seemed happy to be away from them, and judging by everything else we have seen out of Konami, it's a fairly safe assumption.
Corrin wasn't a voted character, after all Sakurai said they wanted Corrin to represent the new Fire Emblem. Corrin shares something in common with Roy where he was put in Smash before his game released. Although Sword of Seals never came to the US, Fates is still not out in the US and is planned to release in the US. All in all, Sakurai just does what he wants. He saw that Corrin seemed like a cool character, with the dragon transforming idea, and went ahead and did it.
I'll admit that Bayonetta is much more exciting than Corrin, but I'm also excited to play Corrin in February.
Seeing her just reaffirms how much Smash has become not just a crossover fighter for Nintendo characters, but a crossover fighter representing video games as a whole.
Earlier this year we got Ryu, an icon of the biggest traditional fighting game franchise. Even Smash arguably has some roots coming from Street Fighter, and SF is an important part of Nintendo's history, as well as the history of video games in general.
We even got Pac-Man, a character recognizable from being the huge arcade hit it was, and even had console outings. The best part about Pac-Man was the fact that it was the original arcade artwork version of him, and not the creepy human-eyes modern Pac-Man. His move set not only represented his own franchise, but Namco in general. His grab was a Tractor Beam from Galaga, another important arcade game.
Mega Man being in the game was huge, as he was a character that was a gaming icon during the days of the NES, and still has a heavy influence on games going forward. It was the best possible implementation of Mega Man too, as there was a fear back then that if Mega Man would be in, they might go some awful route like "bad box art" Mega Man. He was faithful to the games he is mostly known for, and absolutely deserves to be in Smash.
Sonic returned once again, which was great seeing as he is also a major part of the history of video games, and still an icon today (even if most of his more recent games are not very good).
Other Nintendo charcters that made it into the base game were great representations of important franchises, new and old. Xenoblade Chronicles is what many consider a "modern classic", and Shulk was featured in the game. Fire Emblem Awakening was the game that saved the franchise from almost certain doom, so Lucina and Robin were included. With Robin, they really threw a pleasant surprise with that one, as it would be difficult to make a more unique move set for Chrom. Little Mac from Punch Out was included, which was a truly iconic game among both gamers and non-gamers. Even people that might have touched and NES back in the day, but don't play video games at all today would know about how difficult Bald Bull was.
Final Fantasy was another iconic series with games still coming out to this day. Sakurai was able to pull off what seemed like the impossible, and include Cloud Strife. Cloud is easily the most iconic character of that series. Just look across the internet if you don't believe me, and this would even apply to the internet 10 years ago. His inclusion was truly insane, and definitely what cemented the fact in my mind that Smash is a celebration of not only Nintendo, but video games as a whole.
The today we got Bayonetta. Bayonetta, while not having as many years as many of the other franchises involved, is still easily considered another "modern classic". It's the best modern embodiment of a character-based action game, the natural evolution of the beat-em-ups of old, featuring even more depth. The character already lends herself to fitting in Smash, and the community spoke with good taste and was able to vote her in.
Unfortunately this also confirms that Snake, another important piece of gaming history, is not returning. However I think it's fairly obvious of the reasoning for this being the dramatic downturn in sanity Konami has taken as of late. I will definitely miss Snake, but I am still extremely happy with the final roster of the game.
Sure, Smash 4 doesn't include every franchise influential on gaming as a whole, but it reaches extremely far.
Pac-Man - Arcade
Mario - NES
Mega Man - NES
Ryu - Fighting Games
Wii Fit Trainer - The modern casual games now possible with technology, and the Wii craze
All the Pokemon - Pokemon's huge reach as a franchise, and while it may not be as popular today as it was in the late 90's and early 2000's, it's influence is still felt as many people recall Pokemon from their childhood
Sonic - Sega systems
All the Fire Emblem characters - The evolution of a franchise through time, and how it did have to change, but was still able to keep what made it good
Cloud - Older RPGs, but also representing a franchise that still goes strong today
Shulk - The modern RPG, and a shining example of it
Bayonetta - The evolution of action games, and being refined over many years come down to this masterpiece.
You could even argue that there's a reference to a game that personally is one of my favorites of all time, and is considered by many another "modern classic": The World Ends With You
What am I talking about? The Streetpass minigame in the 3DS version. This is pure speculation, and I have no proof, but I'm willing to bet that Streetpass minigame was inspired by Tin Pin Slammer from TWEWY. It's the same basic concept.
Smash 4 is fucking incredible. I went into the Direct today thinking they could not possibly top Cloud, and I was still proven wrong. Bayonetta was the character I have wanted to see most ever since Mega Man.
I think it's fairly obvious that Konami would be most likely to blame for the lack of Snake, Simon Belmont, or the like. I mean you saw that Kojima officially left Konami and formed Kojima Productions somewhere else. He seemed happy to be away from them, and judging by everything else we have seen out of Konami, it's a fairly safe assumption.
Corrin wasn't a voted character, after all Sakurai said they wanted Corrin to represent the new Fire Emblem. Corrin shares something in common with Roy where he was put in Smash before his game released. Although Sword of Seals never came to the US, Fates is still not out in the US and is planned to release in the US. All in all, Sakurai just does what he wants. He saw that Corrin seemed like a cool character, with the dragon transforming idea, and went ahead and did it.
I'll admit that Bayonetta is much more exciting than Corrin, but I'm also excited to play Corrin in February.
toastyToast
Member
So what's everyone's favorite Bayo color?
Missed opportunity to have white Bayo 1 outfit with Bayo 2 hair.
Obviously* the inklings will be able to paint the level in order to squid around attacks/other fighters. I guess the 3DS wouldn't be able to handle it which is why we didn't get them this time.
*By "obviously" I mean in my own fantasies.
YES! Looking forward to this. The first Eyes of Bayonetta is so good.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Heh, that Maximillan reaction perfectly caught what I felt. Disbelief that it's a KIU character, suddenly the zoom out makes it look like another, then the voice seals the deal.
Shuggananas
Banned
Yeah I was starting to get angry at this intro rofl, expecting some gimmick like dark palutena or whatnot
Also they announced her as an angel which is debatable
Same, except I thought it was going to be Hades, who I actually really wanted. But Bayo's cool too.
As neat as Hades would be, if the final two characters were from Fire Emblem and Kid Icarus, I'd have started a riot. Or joined one, because there would surely already be multiple.
She was talking about Pit. He is an angel.
Yeah. I knew there was going to be a riot as soon as Kamui was announced, but Kamui/Aqua were probably in my top 15 Smash NX characters.
Shuggananas
Banned
Actually I re watched and I thought it was palutena's voice (no shit, we hadn't seen bayo yet) rather than bayo herself. So it's bayo saying "another angel, must have missed one" which makes sense
transition between palutena saying "another challenger approaches" and bayo talking was a bit too short probably
I don't know shit about bayo's english voice too, that doesn't help. Japanese voice > all
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I'm surprised it's not Aqua.
technically she was english first in VA
sorta like RE
technically she was english first in VA
sorta like RE
There's always the next game.
Shuggananas
Banned
I'd have taken anything rather than another fire emblem nonamer
omg you are so fucking bad you know good and damn well this isnt true
Maybe they want to maintain her true and canonical characterisation from Bloody Fate. Truly, the definitive version of the character.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
You're wrong Hellena Taylor is the best Bayo.
One of the best details nobody is talking about? Fortitudo in the Umbra Clock Tower stage. Possibly one of my favorite monster designs in videogames (or anything, really). He was the striking visual that singlehandedly sold me on this series. It'd be cool if he talked in his creepy Jabba the Hutt voice, but I think he was silent during the falling tower scene so he probably won't say anything.
Weltall Zero
Member
Considering that was pretty much my own reaction, it might be hard to find one...
Yabberwocky
Member
Heathen! Atsuko Tanaka is a goddess, but Hellena Taylor is incredible. Bayonetta wouldn't have been quite the same without her. Nintendo News did a great interview with Taylor.
Yep was just thinking this today. He really went above and beyond for the newcomers this time around, to the point where a lot of the old characters feel a little bit plain.
Lol its funny cause people were saying this about the new comers like Roslina and Little Mac having cool new mechanics aswell
Orakio Rob
Member
Your post really nails it. In fact, it was this whole videogame celebration thing that made me a new Smash fan.
I'm not great at fighting games, and they usually don't appeal to me. When I bought my Wii U, I knew a Smash game would come, but I had no plans to get it. However, the character announcements were so amazing I just couldn't ignore it. I bought the game, hated the mechanics at first, but the idea behind it was so compelling I couldn't stop playing. I watch the opening sequence every single time I boot the game.
Much to my surprise, I eventually began to like the game, and it's now one of my most played games on the Wii U. I still hate tilts (too hard for me), I can't use shields (I'm not fast enough to use it), but I can play well enough to have lots of fun. What a great game.
NeonZ
Member
Aqua is less popular than the Nohr sisters. Although the fact that they're pushing for male Corrin rather than the female one kind of suggests they started working on the character before popularity polls were finished.
Exterminieren
Banned
Unbelievable.
What a roster of newcomers this game has had!
Villager
Mega Man
Wii Fit Trainer
Rosalina and Luma
Little Mac
Greninja
Mii Fighters
Palutena
Pacman
Robin
Lucina
Shulk
Bowser Jr. and all the Koopalings
Duck Hunt Duo
Dark Pit
Ryu
Cloud
Corrin
Bayonetta
That's just a complete embarrassment of riches, far beyond what anyone could have predicted when the game was first revealed, and with more diverse and interesting playstyles than the series has ever introduced before. Sakurai can feel very proud of his work.
What a roster of newcomers this game has had!
Villager
Mega Man
Wii Fit Trainer
Rosalina and Luma
Little Mac
Greninja
Mii Fighters
Palutena
Pacman
Robin
Lucina
Shulk
Bowser Jr. and all the Koopalings
Duck Hunt Duo
Dark Pit
Ryu
Cloud
Corrin
Bayonetta
That's just a complete embarrassment of riches, far beyond what anyone could have predicted when the game was first revealed, and with more diverse and interesting playstyles than the series has ever introduced before. Sakurai can feel very proud of his work.