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Not these fake pregnancy and belach accusations again
This thread has become a mess.

Look at her parents if you want to solve the bleaching accusations.


It's clear that Bey inherited her mother's skintone. Or does her mother bleach as well?

There are different tones of black skin. Beyoncé is more pale looking. There a lot of black people like her who have a lighter skintone.
You can clearly see that she's got the lightest skin. That pic was taken when she was 15 years old. Do you guys think she bleached back then?

Does Rihanna bleach as well???

Bey can also looks darker because she's human and can get a tan. But her natural color is pretty pale.

When she was a child:


Regarding her fake pregnancy:

Bey was definitely pregnant. She's just a very private person. Correction: a very very rich private person. She has the power and the money to stay hidden from the media during a personal experience like a pregnancy. There are not many pregnancy shots or any shots in general of her during her pregnancy. She can stay hidden from the media if she wants to,

People just like to talk shit when they don't have any info and are clueless as fuck. How many times have I heard that she's a bleaching devil illuminati witch that summoned a child through a satanic ritual.

Urgh...

It's getting tiring. Just fucking drop it

 
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Taught against the belly one minute, room for her belly to grow in the next. Wizardry.

Edit: Showed this to some of my MD colleagues, one of which is a pediatric specialist. They all laughed. "That's fake." They're just Dr.s- what do they know?
That dress is clearly not "taught against her belly". We're not going to agree on this so I'll go with a logical explanation and you can go with whatever suits your devious~ Beyonce narrative.
 
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Beysus,

Beyonce isn't getting her skin bleached.... her performances proves that. Beyonce is having her shit photoshopped into the white washing zone. Beyonce had a nose job. Beyonce is talented. Songs good, but.. its not a good match for beyonce.

Beyonce is not all of a sudden some private person who has a makeup crew do her makeup AFTER her alleged birth(and just for the birth, everything else is on tv/ad's/popups in her life), or during and she just had the worlds easiest pop-out birth with no effort to keep her hair & makeup the same way. Beyonce either approves her white-washed photoshops, or her publicist does. But lets actually meaninglessly argue about the actual meaningless issues with her/this song choice, and the criticism.

Either you have beyonce being the queen of her image and domain, approving this nonsense. Or, its out of her hands. Those are the options here. As the lightening is happening, the baby fold appears to be foam or some sort of insert-- for whatever reasons. And I do believe they are probably personal reasons. Outside of knowing that was foam that folded over, thats as far as ill take it. God knows what could have happened to her or Jay to make them not able to have children, and I respect their privacy on that point. But, don't try to pull this off and say no one can say peep when its suspect. Not when people are bored and have the ability to make a post about it. Comeone BeyZy.

This post is flawless. Should be quoted whenever the issue comes up.
Yep, it should be posted at any time when someone says beyonce is chemically bleaching her skin.

But it shouldn't be brought up when someone says her baby foam folded over, and her advertising images are whitened.
 
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Who's shaming her for wanting to be a housewife? There's nothing wrong with that. It's the implication that "male takes the lead" is and SHOULD be the default relationship framework even between two people who are equals. Because, you know, relationships can't be a mutual team effort. SOMEONE has to lead. She doesn't frame it as though it's a personal choice she's making. Hell, the song that verse is from ("Upgrade U") is basically about women finding and validating their worth in their potential to better their men's position socially. These themes permeated throughout much of Beyonce's music until about 5 minutes ago when Beyonce watched some some TED Talks on Youtube and decided to be a feminist.

Better late than never, I suppose, but she doesn't get to rank among female pop stars who presented strong and consistent feminist messaging in their music for years (and were raked over the coals for it) just because NOW she has a damn clue and NOW she wants to sing about how hard it is to be hot.
From what I gather from the lyrics in question she isn't saying that relationships aren't a mutual team effort in fact it's the opposite. That's simply the dynamics of her relationship with her man. I find it hard to believe what she's saying there isn't a mutual team effort if she decided that she wants to support her household which kinda goes without saying. I don't really see her saying that this is what all women should aspire too either. That's kind of a reach on your part.

I didn't mean to say that you were shaming Beyonce and women for wanting to be house wives and caretakers. Sorry it came out that way. I just don't subscribe to the notion that in order for a woman to be a feminist she can't marry someone, raise children, and be a caretaker.
 
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From what I gather from the lyrics in question she isn't saying that relationships aren't a mutual team effort in fact it's the opposite. That's simply the dynamics of her relationship with her man. I find it hard to believe what she's saying there isn't a mutual team effort if she decided that she wants to support her household which kinda goes without saying. I don't really see her saying that this is what all women should aspire too either. That's kind of a reach on your part.

I didn't mean to say that you were shaming Beyonce and women for wanting to be house wives and caretakers. Sorry it came out that way. I just don't subscribe to the notion that in order for a woman to be a feminist she can't marry someone, raise children, and be a caretaker.
I disagree. I think messages like this can be found in too much of her music to believe she's just talking about herself and her approach to relationships.

Also, let's get into her great slut-shaming anthem: Nasty Girl

3:30 minutes of implying a girl's a whore for "not having enough clothes on."

Funny thing is a lot of this song could describe Beyonce herself. Kiiiii @ the complete lack of self-awareness.
 
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I disagree. I think messages like this can be found in too much of her music to believe she's just talking about herself and her approach to relationships.

Also, let's get into her great slut-shaming anthem: Nasty Girl

3:30 minutes of implying a girl's a whore for "not having enough clothes on."

Funny thing is a lot of this song could describe Beyonce herself. Kiiiii @ the complete lack of self-awareness.
Isn't this song like over a decade old? What does it have to do with the message she's trying to send now?
 
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I disagree. I think messages like this can be found in too much of her music to believe she's just talking about herself and her approach to relationships.

Also, let's get into her great slut-shaming anthem: Nasty Girl

3:30 minutes of implying a girl's a whore for "not having enough clothes on."

Funny thing is a lot of this song could describe Beyonce herself. Kiiiii @ the complete lack of self-awareness.
Were just going to have to agree to disagree on that. But yikes at nasty girl.

Evene so can we say she's make a genuine turn around on these issues now? I can go back in time too and find things I said that was problematic. I grew up, learned more, and changed.
 
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She's not saying the queen of perfection but rather when she was young and aspiring artist she too dreame of being in the position she is now. Now she's at the top and she earned her due. The song is likely a response to the criticism about her above. Keep that in perspective.
No, she's saying she's the queen and that her peers dreamed of being where she is now, but they're not so they better bow to her and her popping bottle, LV decked out ass. And she's happy to wear the crown. But now....... it seems like now we should feel her pain because that crown is heavy- but we can't feel her pain because we're not the queen. It must be very hard to live in an isolated world you've created, embraced and profited off of.
 
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Isn't this song like over a decade old? What does it have to do with the message she's trying to send now?
Does it really matter how old it is?

Besides, that's kinda my point. Beyonce didn't give a fuck about your feminism until the stork dropped off Blue Ivy, but now I'm supposed to think she's a "bigger feminist" than pop stars like Madonna, Janet, Christina, Gaga, etc. Women who have made feminist, pro-female messaging a huge part of their careers since day fucking 1?

Y'all can miss me with that.
 
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Isn't this song like over a decade old? What does it have to do with the message she's trying to send now?
Her messages are all drowned out by her actions. Though...Just saying.

Whether or not she is aware of how her image is being manipulated, thats up for fans to decide on. But, the nose deal, as well as
Speak to that truth that to be successful and accepted, you've got to white wash yourself. Fake baby aside, Beyonce asks for this criticism because of the actions people respond to.

Whitening is happening, and its an issue. Loreal came under fire/criticism for this exact issue. It might be alien to everyone here, but its something that folks do discuss.

Were just going to have to agree to disagree on that. But yikes at nasty girl.

Evene so can we say she's make a genuine turn around on these issues now? I can go back in time too and find things I said that was problematic. I grew up, learned more, and changed.

I hope thats whats up. Because whether or not she accepts it... there are a whole lot of people that do gain their sense of self from these larger than life people. (due to not having any examples in their own environment) Im personally sick of seeing black people have to still shuck and jive (pandering roles, or women held to such higher standards because they are half-black, or appear to not be silky chocolate) Beyonce is one of those offenders in my eyes, but Im not holding shit against her if shes realizing it and calling it out. Will be interesting to see if the next headline is private yacht/plane related, or... if its something shocking like "beyonce does a performance with natural hair."
 
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No, she's saying she's the queen and that her peers dreamed of being where she is now, but they're not so they better bow to her and her popping bottle, LV decked out ass. And she's happy to wear the crown. But now....... it seems like now we should feel her pain because that crown is heavy- but we can't feel her pain because we're not the queen. It must be very hard to live in an isolated world you've created, embraced and profited off of.
No I don't agree especially with the narrative constructed around flawless. Like I said she's responding to critics of her who dissed her for the same things royalan is saying in this thread.

Does it really matter how old it is?

Besides, that's kinda my point. Beyonce didn't give a fuck about your feminism until the stork dropped off Blue Ivy, but now I'm supposed to think she's a "bigger feminist" than pop stars like Madonna, Janet, Christina, Gaga, etc. Women who have made feminist, pro-female messaging a huge part of their careers since day fucking 1?

Y'all can miss me with that.
I'm not trying to tell you she's a "bigger" feminism than the people you mentioned. I don't think Beyonce is trying to either.
 
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Taught against the belly one minute, room for her belly to grow in the next. Wizardry.

Edit: Showed this to some of my MD colleagues, one of which is a pediatric specialist. They all laughed. "That's fake." They're just Dr.s- what do they know?
Anecdotes, how do they work?:

Doctors Yvonne Bohn, Allison Hill, and Alane Park offer their expert take on 'bump-gate.'

She’s somewhere between 20 and 24 weeks pregnant, which means her baby and uterus are not very big; her bump shouldn’t show very much. In our professional opinion as doctors—without having examined her—we think she looks appropriately pregnant at this point.​

Not really, because the fabric folds into a concave area.
There's nothing concave about the fold at all. The shadow you see if the the one cast from her hair. The fabric gets bunched by her forearms and slides upward over the top of her belly,

 
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Does it really matter how old it is?

Besides, that's kinda my point. Beyonce didn't give a fuck about your feminism until the stork dropped off Blue Ivy, but now I'm supposed to think she's a "bigger feminist" than pop stars like Madonna, Janet, Christina, Gaga, etc. Women who have made feminist, pro-female messaging a huge part of their careers since day fucking 1?

Y'all can miss me with that.

Who said that? Who asked you to? Who hurt you Roy?

 
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That dress is clearly not "taught against her belly". We're not going to agree on this so I'll go with a logical explanation and you can go with whatever suits your devious~ Beyonce narrative.
My explanation (soon to be a doctor), a pediatric MD-PhD specializing in early post-natal development and a MD-PhD full professor at one of the most prestigious universities in the country. Yes, we're all delusional. It's true I don't like her. But that doesn't factor into how fake that belly looks. Plain and simple.
 
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Whether or not she is aware of how her image is being manipulated, thats up for fans to decide on. But, the nose deal, as well as



Speak to that truth that to be successful and accepted, you've got to white wash yourself. Fake baby aside, Beyonce asks for this criticism because of the actions people respond to.

Whitening is happening, and its an issue. Loreal came under fire/criticism for this exact issue. It might be alien to everyone here, but its something that folks do discuss.
You realize that that image is really overexposed and using really bright lighting, right? Of course she's going to look lighter. A white person would look like a ghost in that lighting.

What exactly is her criteria for when to manipulate her magazine covers, in your opinion? Why only photoshop some of them?

Yep, it should be posted at any time when someone says beyonce is chemically bleaching her skin.

But it shouldn't be brought up when someone says her baby foam folded over, and her advertising images are whitened.
What does the baby foam that allegedly "folded over" have anything to do with the pics of her clearly pregnant in that post?
 
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I hope thats whats up. Because whether or not she accepts it... there are a whole lot of people that do gain their sense of self from these larger than life people. (due to not having any examples in their own environment) Im personally sick of seeing black people have to still shuck and jive (pandering roles, or women held to such higher standards because they are half-black, or appear to not be silky chocolate) Beyonce is one of those offenders in my eyes, but Im not holding shit against her if shes realizing it and calling it out. Will be interesting to see if the next headline is private yacht/plane related, or... if its something shocking like "beyonce does a performance with natural hair."
I personally think that in this case Beyonce is another victim of Eurocentric beauty standards imposed on us. She is not the cause of it but that isn't to say you can't call her out on perpetuating it. I just wouldn't be as harsh; the root of the problem is the media who tells us the way we look naturally isn't good enough.
 
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Beysus,

Beyonce isn't getting her skin bleached.... her performances proves that. Beyonce is having her shit photoshopped into the white washing zone. Beyonce had a nose job. Beyonce is talented. Songs good, but.. its not a good match for beyonce.
I can't deny the photoshops. Media outlets do that shit all the time. It's not just Beyoncé.

The thing with Bey is that her skintone can change so easy. In some shots she looks like a white woman while in the other she looks more dark

Her looks and heritage are just fascinating

So it's very easy for her to look white during photoshoots when there's a lot of make-up and strong lighting going on.

The nosejob is debatable. There are so many make-up thechinques that can shape your nose. But I wouldn't be shocked if the got her nose fixed.

And I just don't understand why people think she doesn't fit the song. A lot of people think she's beautiful and perfect. People have different expectations from people who are pretty and successful. And it's not as if she reached her current position without any struggles. How many people judge her on her looks alone? Thinking she's nothing more than sexy meat, ignoring her talents. That would be frustrating.

I don't think other female artist could sing the same song anyway, unless they change the title to Basic Looking Hurts.
 
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Anecdotes, how do they work?:

Doctors Yvonne Bohn, Allison Hill, and Alane Park offer their expert take on 'bump-gate.'

She’s somewhere between 20 and 24 weeks pregnant, which means her baby and uterus are not very big; her bump shouldn’t show very much. In our professional opinion as doctors—without having examined her—we think she looks appropriately pregnant at this point.​


There's nothing concave about the fold at all. The shadow you see if the the one cast from her hair. The fabric gets bunched by her forearms and slides upward over the top of her belly,



There is a concave fold when you follow the blue line, which you correctly were highlighting at the beginning, then you made a green line to represent her outer silhouette I can only assume. Which the forearm goes in front of. And you just provided more anecdotes to other anecdotes -- lets stick to the video, where you can see that a fold happens between the bottom of her breast, and her belly button. Her body - her actual body, is where the blue line folds into and comes into contact with. I have a doctor saying that DDT is healthy to spray on children too.. I mean.. come on. This is a subjective issue here. But, what doesn't lie is the video which has folding happening with that blue line, that you rotated to the behind her arm. This video isn't of some unique phenomena where you need NASA to chime in, something folded and depressed when she sat down, it is not a wrinkle of loose fabric, as it goes down into her, and forms a harsh lip below her. The fold happened, its there for anyone to see. Just as pregnant women are usually there for anyone to see. Not so much for the historically illusive troglodyte beyonce.

You realize that that image is really overexposed and using really bright lighting, right?
I can't deny the photoshops. Media outlets do that shit all the time. It's not just Beyoncé..
Bey, if you could explain to 404 about photoshopping please. I'd appreciate it. And it isn't just beyonce, never said it was. but its a combination of factors that contribute to the entire pie of beyonce being a little fake. When people say it, why come to arms and say its not happening at all, then ok so what everyone does it..? Not saying you said it beysus. But its what is going on right now. All in all, i think Infinite hit on something that is important.

I personally think that in this case Beyonce is another victim of Eurocentric beauty standards imposed on us. She is not the cause of it but that isn't to say you can't call her out on perpetuating it. I just wouldn't be as harsh; the root of the problem is the media who tells us the way we look naturally isn't good enough.
The levels of harsh do vary, but man, I just know that Beyonce has some serious ass cash, and influence. I feel like theres no reason to confine within the standard mold that we are supposed to be in. Esp for someone like her that prides herself on identity/strength/independence/etc. Again, as said earlier.. I't would be great to see that transition happen. But, I don't need to ignore stuff just because it is harsh.
 
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There is a concave fold when you follow the blue line, which you correctly were highlighting at the beginning, then you made a green line to represent her outer silhouette I can only assume.
You invented a concave shape that wasn't there.

And three actual doctors who are already practicing with patients say she looks appropriately pregnant versus someone who has not graduated yet.
 
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Anecdotes, how do they work?:

Doctors Yvonne Bohn, Allison Hill, and Alane Park offer their expert take on 'bump-gate.'

She’s somewhere between 20 and 24 weeks pregnant, which means her baby and uterus are not very big; her bump shouldn’t show very much. In our professional opinion as doctors—without having examined her—we think she looks appropriately pregnant at this point.​

The response these Dr.s give would make sense if her belly appeared smaller to begin with. My issue is that her belly is pronounced and when she sits, it appears to fold in an unnatural way.

Edit: It's not impossible, but it is very unusual to have a 7 month pregnancy and give birth naturally without complications. This is technically a premature baby. It would be very unusual for the child to be fully grown as the baby appears
 
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The response these Dr.s give would make sense if her belly appeared smaller to begin with. My issue is that her belly is pronounced and when she sits, it appears to fold in an unnatural way.
But it doesn't fold. The fabric slips over the top of her belly and wrinkles. Her belly is still underneath; you can see the vast height difference in her back bending allowing room for her stomach.

I just don't see it the way you and commedieu do, seeing as how his drawing of how her body should be quite clearly cuts into her existing body that's plainly visible in the original screenshot.
 
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You invented a concave shape that wasn't there.

And three actual doctors who are already practicing with patients say she looks appropriately pregnant versus someone who has not graduated yet.
You can't just say I invented something. If you follow the line, that you literally drew, as well as the shadow in the area, its the blue line that goes inwards to create the green lip below. Did the doctors have some sort of degree in video analyzing? Nope. Which is why I said its anecdote to anecdote. A person who would be of any value here, would be some video forensic specialist, not just a doctor saying "looks pregnant because of fabric" which is the only thing anyone has ever had to say. It isn't definitive if a doctor just agrees that your identical observations are also their opinion.

Re Nosejob.:

make up techniques

So thats causing her post-nose job photos. I'd love to see anything on how to consistently manipulate all Non-Press released photos of her with a narrower bridge.

Here; I made a wireframe for the fake baby concave fold in her abdomen. Its not just the blue line going over, its the whole area that goes concave and makes the lip at the bottom.

I get that you're saying its just extra fabric that bends under and over.. But its tight as she walks in, and the hard lip at the bottom is classic fake-baby-foam shaped.

and now someone below is saying that it was *possibly* a prostetic later to make the bump look bigger.

Come on thread. Its pretty evident that the pregnancy wasn't a straight forward one, neither is the footage of her being 'pregnant' so it really is open for discussion. But to claim its just a human body acting human with the excuse of fabric is just that. There is something happening on the other side of the dress. We are mostly adults, and can be intellectually honest with one another. It wasn't normal, it wasn't something that we've seen in our lifetimes, as far as someone saying they have a baby when their abdomen collapses in front of us, and it was pointed out.
 
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Honestly if anything I can see her using a thin prosthetic layer over her baby bump to accentuate it because she probably wasn't as far along as she wanted to be around the time of the VMAs. She probably decided she wanted to announce her pregnancy there but the bump wasn't visible enough to make it obvious. Again, if anything...

Chances are though, she was really fucking pregnant. Weird dress folds aren't really a compelling argument otherwise, that could be blamed on any number of things.

Her face got obviously plumper during those nine months too. Her face is never plump.
 
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I swear Beyonce's contraversies are the most boring ones in the entertainment field. She's not a transparent person, and she does have control over how she wants people to perceive her. But that's called being a successful entertainer.

My problem with her is in her art itself. But I suppose this thread isn't a place for that anymore :p.
 
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I swear Beyonce's contraversies are the most boring ones in the entertainment field. She's not a transparent person, and she does have control over how she wants people to perceive her. But that's called being a successful entertainer.

My problem with her is in her art itself. But I suppose this thread isn't a place for that anymore :p.
Assuming you're an MJ fan, I'm curious about your opinions of her music. I've always put Beyonce and Michael Jackson in a similar field artistically.
 
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Honestly if anything I can see her using a thin prosthetic layer over her baby bump to accentuate it because she probably wasn't as far along as she wanted to be around the time of the VMAs. She probably decided she wanted to announce her pregnancy there but the bump wasn't visible enough to make it obvious. Again, if anything...

Chances are though, she was really fucking pregnant. Weird dress folds aren't really a compelling argument otherwise, that could be blamed on any number of things.

Her face got obviously plumper during those nine months too. Her face is never plump.


Maybe... because this is a picture taken only a week before her big VMA baby announcement with a clear bump..
 
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Re Nosejob.:

make up techniques

So thats causing her post-nose job photos. I'd love to see anything on how to consistently manipulate all Non-Press released photos of her with a narrower bridge.
It's a make up technique that narrows your nose by shaphing it with different layers of make up.

Bey's apprach is very subtle



But you can overdo it

 
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I swear Beyonce's contraversies are the most boring ones in the entertainment field. She's not a transparent person, and she does have control over how she wants people to perceive her. But that's called being a successful entertainer.

My problem with her is in her art itself. But I suppose this thread isn't a place for that anymore :p.
One would argue that that's the very thing that separates Beyonce from true Icons.

Pop Icons aren't just people who put out good music consistently. They're the leaders of the genre. They're the artists who really put themselves out there, be vulnerable, raw and genuine in front of a camera for better or worse. True Pop Icons become Pop itself.

It's why Rihanna is really the only chick in the game worthy of Madonna's crown. Not only is she one of the most consistent hit-makers in the business right now, but she truly lives That Pop Life. She commands Pop culture in a way none of her contemporaries really can.

Beyonce is too...curated, to ever reach this level.
 
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The levels of harsh do vary, but man, I just know that Beyonce has some serious ass cash, and influence. I feel like theres no reason to confine within the standard mold that we are supposed to be in. Esp for someone like her that prides herself on identity/strength/independence/etc. Again, as said earlier.. I't would be great to see that transition happen. But, I don't need to ignore stuff just because it is harsh.
I'm not saying your criticisms have no place because they are too harsh. Just keep in mind even if Beyonce changes and performs at her next show with her natural hair these eurocentric beauty standards will still be enforced upon us.

On makeup contouring i just searched a random video on youtube on how to do it. http://youtu.be/5T6Ig-JugPo
 
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I swear Beyonce's contraversies are the most boring ones in the entertainment field. She's not a transparent person, and she does have control over how she wants people to perceive her. But that's called being a successful entertainer.

My problem with her is in her art itself. But I suppose this thread isn't a place for that anymore :p.
I feel like she's fake and while talented her music is empty because of this. People take me thinking she's fake personally and then try to tell me I'm not seeing what I am seeing.
 
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It's a make up technique that narrows your nose by shaphing it with different layers of make up.

Bey's apprach is very subtle



But you can overdo it

I don't think its makeup.. because makeup can't explain candid photos of her that show the same result. But, if we say it is.. it still circles around the same territory of self image manipulation. Which is why the song/pairing of her and it set up criticism to begin with. Shes not bleaching her skin, shes just painting it white! would still be the same problem, know what i mean..? As if there was a problem with her lovely nubian wide nose.
 
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Assuming you're an MJ fan, I'm curious about your opinions of her music. I've always put Beyonce and Michael Jackson in a similar field artistically.
You're correct on your assumption, and here's my take on her.

I think Beyonce is very, very talented. Her performances are almost always the highlight of any ceremony she attends (and I'm only saying almost because I didn't catch all of her shows). I've given serious time with her first four albums. But I didn't get a chance to really allocate time for her latest one. I think her music is fine, for the most part. She's at her peak when she creates straight up R&B numbers.

Ultimately, though, she falls flat when she tries anything else. I hate her hip hop style (ESPECIALLY Diva), and i'm not a fan when she goes full pop (ala irreplaceable, beautiful liar, etc.). And finally, her music ultimately does not feel real, at all, to me. Her vocals are perfect technically but carry no emotions at all. To me, her style is never truly unique and it is just flowing with the mainstream flow... which wouldn't be a problem if I liked mainstream music nowadays :p.

My favorite album of hers is 4, by a landslide, I loved the style and substance of the songs, but I still wouldn't say it was a great album on its own right. My favorite song is Single Ladies, simply because the video was so unique, being both modern and referencing old-school R&B at the same time. Least favorite album is Bday, because I really did not feel that album at all, and least favorite song by her is Diva... by far and away.

Now, i'll talk about my opinion regarding MJ, but I hope this will not derail the thread into a comparison between the two, so this will be my only post in this thread regarding his art. MJ's albums (off the wall until Blood On the Dance Floor) were always a mix between mainstream music, with catchy melodies, incredible harmonies, and infectious beat. While the other half is full of personalized, experimental, and deep music that really expresses his thoughts and emotions at a given time. This is the mix that distinguishes Michael from anyone else I've ever listened to. The amount of creativity and complexity in his music threw me off any artist for a full year just to soak in his 6 albums.

This does not even include his outstanding performances, that I think till this day remain unmatched. Nor does it include his incredible short films that are filled to the brim with imagination. That is the difference between the two, and that is why I don't think Beyonce even scratches the level MJ has achieved.

If you want to continue the discussion further I'll be more than happy to do so in another thread or even in PMs if you like. But I really do not want to derail this thread with that.
 
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You can't just say I invented something. If you follow the line, that you literally drew, as well as the shadow in the area, its the blue line that goes inwards to create the green lip below. Did the doctors have some sort of degree in video analyzing? Nope. Which is why I said its anecdote to anecdote. A person who would be of any value here, would be some video forensic specialist, not just a doctor saying "looks pregnant because of fabric" which is the only thing anyone has ever had to say. It isn't definitive if a doctor just agrees that your identical observations are also their opinion.

Come on thread. Its pretty evident that the pregnancy wasn't a straight forward one, neither is the footage of her being 'pregnant' so it really is open for discussion. But to claim its just a human body acting human with the excuse of fabric is just that. There is something happening on the other side of the dress. We are mostly adults, and can be intellectually honest with one another. It wasn't normal, it wasn't something that we've seen in our lifetimes, as far as someone saying they have a baby when their abdomen collapses in front of us, and it was pointed out.

 
I think Beyonce is a great performer with a great voice and an amazing look. But she's so fake she makes MJ's nose look real. The message is nice but I felt zero emotions from her.
This!

I respect her talents as a performer. But considering the message she just said in light of the celeb culture to shop images or her nose job and her hair I'm just rolling my eyes.
 
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In all of your illustrations, you outline the rims of concavity. But it's really the shadiness of everything.

1. One week she's dancing at a show, clearly thin with her trademark amazing body. Next week, she has a clear baby bump announcing the pregnancy on the VMAs. So maybe she did use a prosthetic to accentuate the bump, which is still bizarre and unnecessary.

2. The length of her pregnancy as she reports was 7 months. Most babies born this early have complications and need immediate treatment afterwards. It's unusual that her baby is normal size with a head of full hair, born naturally and with no complications.

3. Rented out a wing of a hospital and had an extensive security force present.

4. The video.

All of these things can potentially be explained, although the video seems to be sound. Taken together, it's weird.


Edit: I keep looking at the gif you made. In the photo that says "original" you can see a clear outline of a lighter pixelated circle, which would be expected for a fold that currves. The two green lines you drew on the alleged bump outline the outer dimensions of the concaved bump.
 
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