dragonbane
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Beyond has a light version of TressFX too. Budget wrong confirmed.
Haha. Still relevant it seems.
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Beyond: Two Souls' budget is $27M
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SolidSnakex
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I just went and watched the scenes again to refresh my memory and i'm not really seeing anything gratuitous about one over the other. They look the same to me.
XANDER CAGE
Member
What did you mean?
That David Cage appears to have a thing about women showering. Showers are to David Cage what feet are to Quentin Tarantino or Joss Whedon.
I have nothing against nudity in games, I'm just saying that Cage is now three for three on the exact same scene and it's beginning to feel more like self-serving objectification than a contextually appropriate moment of downtime for the character.
lol ok
Byronic Hero
Member
Exactly how I feel. Word for word.
Night Hunter
Banned
That's how we know we are better than Americans. Over here, a tit is sometimes just a tit, not one of Satan's ensnaring twins ...
(please don't take serious!)
I am actually impressed that they can make a game on a budget. Is that a european thing? is game development cheaper here? In the post linked above there is something about tax breaks, don't they have something comparable in the US?
dragonbane
Member
But men shower just as regularly as women in his games? So I don't see what you mean. He tries to do the same with toilets and food. It's not just a checklist, he always gives you the option to simulate "real life" much closer than movies most of the time do.
Such a shame she has no ass.
Ignore the fact that men shower and walk around half naked as well, and his argument makes more sense.
XANDER CAGE
Member
Admittedly it's been a while since I played either Indigo Prophecy or Heavy Rain, but Heavy Rain doesn't really help its case with the creepy home invasion scene. The fact that all three games have had almost the exact same shower/underwear setup really sticks out, too.
Then again, maybe you're right and it's a little more balanced. Maybe we'll get to see Willem's Dafoe in a shower scene!
Ethan had a shower scene and walking around in underwear right at the beginning of Heavy Rain...
Do they? Why did they close 3 studios last year then?
A couple of the Sony insiders on this forum have said that there will definitely be PS3 games ported to the PS4. It definitely makes sense for this to be 1 of the games.
dragonbane
Member
I will refresh your memory. Indigo Prophecy had 2 shower scenes with men (Tyler & Lucas) and 1 with Carla. It's really balanced.
Well apparently they are using their PS4 engine to make this so.....
XANDER CAGE
Member
I've never understood how this so negatively impacts someones enjoyment of the game or media they are taking part of. I'll use Kill Bill for the best most "infamous" example.
The wiggle your big toe thingThis scene has a purpose. She's overcoming rigormortis. It fits the story...
Damn. I lost my train of thought. I have nothing more to say. I'll just post this as is.dammit GTA5
It doesn't bother me in Tarantino's movies at all, but that's because they're a little less serious and maudlin than Cage's games. Sly humor/fetish references fit in with the general tone of Tarantino's work, but it feels slightly out of place and self-serving in Cage's work.
Okay? Cool? Why did you quote the post where someone just told me that to tell me it again?
That was a major restructuring thing. Like Sony said no more b games only AAA or small and the devs that couldnt do those were let go.
But it wouldn't make sense to close a profitable studio. The reason for not doing b games it's probably that they weren't profitable.
Assumed you'd missed it the first time seeing as you completely ignored it and carried on saying it's objectifcation.
monocle_wearing_hyrax
Neo Member
Directors have their own quirks.Tarantino does feet shoots as you already mention. Another video game auteur, Hideo Kojima, commonly uses the femme fatale archetype in his games.
XANDER CAGE
Member
It's weird that Beyond is occupying a AAA game marketing space with what appears to be a smaller budget.
Who ignored who, now? Why would you assumed I missed it when I was responding to it directly? I made the objectification comment before that post, not after.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Pretty reasonable budget.
If it sells over 1 million it should recoup its development budget.
If it sells over 1 million it should recoup its development budget.
XANDER CAGE
Member
Given that he was front and center during the PS4 reveal? I really, really doubt that.
The one bit you didn't highlight
Oh please, give it a rest. I was admitting that it had been a while since I played the games, but still expressing reservations about the games in general.
Diprosalic
Banned
zero dollars spent on writing.
Profitable but not as profitable as Journey and Uncharted. They rather take the b game budgets and put it towards those games instead.
Pull up a chair with bros and crack open a beer, with cage it's guaranteed to be one hell of a ride.
bleachrude
Banned
Er what?
How isn't this a triple AAA game based on pure marketing/team size?
Last I looked, the team size was over 70 people and the budget is well above 10 million.
That's a triple AAA game or has the definition of AAA changed?
How isn't this a triple AAA game based on pure marketing/team size?
Last I looked, the team size was over 70 people and the budget is well above 10 million.
That's a triple AAA game or has the definition of AAA changed?
Its still a AAA game, but Sony for next gen is going bigger and smaller.
So pretty much only games that cost 1-5 Million, or games that cost 40-50 Million+.
XANDER CAGE
Member
27 million isn't cheap by any stretch of the imagination, but a lot of more recent "AAA" games have had budgets that dwarf it.
Flatline
Banned
ReturnOfTheRAT
Member
Problems with shower scenes. Oh my God, what is going on.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
I can't believe people are defending David Cage's decision to have the same exact panty/shower scene in all of his games as some form of artistry, lol. It's cliche and shows a complete lack of creativity to gain a sense of intimacy/vulnerability with a protagonist in varying ways. (imagine a director not just having a cool Easter Egg in each of his movies, but an ENTIRE scene copied from each of his projects. It would definitely be seen as a weakness)
Or, as other people have been suggesting, maybe Cage is capable of connecting with characters in new ways, but just likes directing scenes of scantily clad women/sex scenes, because "why not, it's my game." Ain't nothing wrong with that, but lets not pretend this is something it's not.
Or, as other people have been suggesting, maybe Cage is capable of connecting with characters in new ways, but just likes directing scenes of scantily clad women/sex scenes, because "why not, it's my game." Ain't nothing wrong with that, but lets not pretend this is something it's not.
rockman zx
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XANDER CAGE
Member
We're off topic to the point where this probably needs to be its own thread, but I think it's worth saying that it's not the inherent presence of a shower scene that makes the game "sexist" (which I don't think anyone has actually called the games at this point). It's the incongruous nature of what some of us find to be a sort of creepy, objectifying trend in Cage's otherwise serious dramatic games. The shower/underwear scenes stick out as weird and unnecessary titillation in a series of games that otherwise revolve around very straight-faced (clumsily written and acted, but straight-faced) crime dramas.
The fawning over the Ellen Page gifs was weird, and reminded me (and a couple of other posters) that it was an exact scene that has been in both of Cage's previous games. There is a pattern, and I find it strange. It has nothing to do with being prudish, or hating boobs, or anything like that - it's just a trend that I think sticks out in Cage's games like a sore thumb.
It's also been pointed out that there are similar scenes for Ethan in HR and IP's protagonists, a point which I have accepted. Right now the only people acting outraged are you guys.
Anyway like I said, we should probably either start a new thread for this, or take it to PMs, or just drop it. There's not really much more to be said beyond (get it?) "I think it's weird that this shower scene exists in all three games" and "there were shower scenes for the guys too." Opinions, etc.
SolidSnakex
Member
People are defending it because a common theme in his game is allowing people to do mundane actions that people do in their every day life. From brushing your teeth to taking a shower. Why exactly is that a problem? It's something optional in there and you aren't forced to do it.
LiquidSolid
Member
Do you think it's weird that the Uncharted series are considered AAA then? Their budgets were in the $20 million range (or at least Uncharted 1 and 2 were).
The reason why other publishers have such huge budgets isn't because they need all that money, it's because they're hugely inefficient. Rockstar's the absolute worst in that regard.
Women always end up fully naked in his games, so we can expect the same with Ellen? Now if only the gameplay appealed to me. Not that I have a problem with QTE but what I found to be incredibly dumb are the moments where Ellen is a soldier and has a gun. You would expect that she would be given similar controls to TPS games in that instance because it works so well for that style but nope still QTE.
Well anyhow when he makes an interesting and less realistic setting I would have no problem with his style of gameplay. Seriously make Kara into a game.
Well anyhow when he makes an interesting and less realistic setting I would have no problem with his style of gameplay. Seriously make Kara into a game.