theignoramus
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His most racist incident to me was when he said it surprised him that Sylvias in Harlem was a normal diner with polite customers.
No debate allowed! It has been deemed racist, now all must literally shhhh!
I think it could be interpreted either way.
Instead of shouting a dissenting opinion down perhaps talk with people in a non-condescending manner? Otherwise this just reinforces the echo chamber. I think there's genuine room for intepretation here. We all know what he said is wrong but 'why' is debatable.
Nah it's racist. Disparaging a black woman for their hair is a specific kind of racism that we call misogynoir. I implore you to click the link and educate yourself further
Instead of shouting a dissenting opinion down perhaps talk with people in a non-condescending manner? Otherwise this just reinforces the echo chamber. I think there's genuine room for intepretation here. We all know what he said is wrong but 'why' is debatable.
Instead of shouting a dissenting opinion down perhaps talk with people in a non-condescending manner? Otherwise this just reinforces the echo chamber. I think there's genuine room for intepretation here. We all know what he said is wrong but 'why' is debatable.
Of course, it was a dick move designed to tear down this one woman. A really cheap shot.
I agree that it should be condemned and I have done so but I'm just curious about the racism accusations. Not in an attempt to defend O'Reilly but for my own understanding. If what he said is racist and I don't perceive it to be then that shows a deficiency in my own understanding in some way that I want to fix.
Instead of shouting a dissenting opinion down perhaps talk with people in a non-condescending manner? Otherwise this just reinforces the echo chamber. I think there's genuine room for intepretation here. We all know what he said is wrong but 'why' is debatable.
But Bill O' Reilly didn't say every black woman with that hairstyle looks like James Brown.
Like I said, I'm not saying Bill O' Reilly isn't racist. I'm saying what he said today wasn't racist.
I think there's an important key to understanding why this is viewed as racist. Hopefully this will help:
Bill O'Reilly has repeatedly used the appearance of individual black people as an excuse to ignore or invalidate their opinions, just as he has here. This is a common racist tactic and it uses outward signifiers of blackness to justify shaming, silencing, or marginalizing black individuals or black communities at large. Bill O'Reily has made the case repeatedly that blacks are unemployable because of face tattoos or common modes of dress. You will often see this attitude arise when people refuse to take a black person seriously because of their name, or seemingly well-meaning people say things like, "why would you name your child that? It's just going to make things harder..." It feeds into the myth that black fashion, black hair-styles, and black cultural signifiers make a person less worthy of respect or even attention.
So in this situation you have Bill O'Reilly dismissing a US Congressperson, claiming that he could not even be bothered to listen to what she was saying, because she has hair that reminds him of a black R&B singer. It's a common line of racist attack and it puts forth the argument that she is unworthy of attention or respect because of something about her appearance that is coded to her blackness. This is textbook dog-whistle racism and you can see plenty of people in this thread bending over backwards to take him at face-value when this being a racist attack falls well within his own patterns of behavior and larger tactics used to silence and ignore blacks. Dog-whistle racism is all about deniability and taking advantage of the fact that white moderates want[i/] to give people the benefit of the doubt. Don't fall for it.
I completely dislike Bill O' Reilly, and he's undoubtedly said or implied racist things in the past, and I don't agree with pretty much anything he says...
But how is this racist? How is making fun of someone's hair racist?
Honestly, her hair DOES kind of look like James Brown's:
I'm not saying Bill O' Reilly isn't a racist. He probably is. What I'm saying is I don't see how what he said today was racist. It's mean spirited, childish, and dickish in nature, but not racist in my eyes.
Instead of shouting a dissenting opinion down perhaps talk with people in a non-condescending manner? Otherwise this just reinforces the echo chamber. I think there's genuine room for intepretation here. We all know what he said is wrong but 'why' is debatable.
I think there's an important key to understanding why this is viewed as racist. Hopefully this will help:
Bill O'Reilly has repeatedly used the appearance of individual black people as an excuse to ignore or invalidate their opinions, just as he has here. This is a common racist tactic and it uses outward signifiers of blackness to justify shaming, silencing, or marginalizing black individuals or black communities at large. Bill O'Reily has made the case repeatedly that blacks are unemployable because of face tattoos or common modes of dress. You will often see this attitude arise when people refuse to take a black person seriously because of their name, or seemingly well-meaning people say things like, "why would you name your child that? It's just going to make things harder..." It feeds into the myth that black fashion, black hair-styles, and black cultural signifiers make a person less worthy of respect or even attention.
So in this situation you have Bill O'Reilly dismissing a US Congressperson, claiming that he could not even be bothered to listen to what she was saying, because she has hair that reminds him of a black R&B singer. It's a common line of racist attack and it puts forth the argument that she is unworthy of attention or respect because of something about her appearance that is coded to her blackness. This is textbook dog-whistle racism and you can see plenty of people in this thread bending over backwards to take him at face-value when this being a racist attack falls well within his own patterns of behavior and larger tactics used to silence and ignore blacks. Dog-whistle racism is all about deniability and taking advantage of the fact that white moderates want[i/] to give people the benefit of the doubt. Don't fall for it.
I think there's an important key to understanding why this is viewed as racist. Hopefully this will help:
Bill O'Reilly has repeatedly used the appearance of individual black people as an excuse to ignore or invalidate their opinions, just as he has here. This is a common racist tactic and it uses outward signifiers of blackness to justify shaming, silencing, or marginalizing black individuals or black communities at large. Bill O'Reily has made the case repeatedly that blacks are unemployable because of face tattoos or common modes of dress. You will often see this attitude arise when people refuse to take a black person seriously because of their name, or seemingly well-meaning people say things like, "why would you name your child that? It's just going to make things harder..." It feeds into the myth that black fashion, black hair-styles, and black cultural signifiers make a person less worthy of respect or even attention.
So in this situation you have Bill O'Reilly dismissing a US Congressperson, claiming that he could not even be bothered to listen to what she was saying, because she has hair that reminds him of a black R&B singer. It's a common line of racist attack and it puts forth the argument that she is unworthy of attention or respect because of something about her appearance that is coded to her blackness. This is textbook dog-whistle racism and you can see plenty of people in this thread bending over backwards to take him at face-value when this being a racist attack falls well within his own patterns of behavior and larger tactics used to silence and ignore blacks. Dog-whistle racism is all about deniability and taking advantage of the fact that white moderates want to give people the benefit of the doubt. Don't fall for it.
This is tone deaf and you know it.ctrl + f "hair" = not found ?
whether something is "racist" is not something to be negotiated interracially. A lot of people think otherwise.
Just like men shouldn't be the arbiters of what is and isn't sexist.
This is tone deaf and you know it.
O'Reily went to my friend's all boys catholic school in Long Island where their mantra was raising "good catholic men". Nothing was learned.
Masterful deflection.
"Once everyone's talking about my shitty comments on this woman's appearance, I don't have to actually address her statement."
Stop getting played, ya'll.
Edit: O'Reilly is obviously racist. But he's using his casual racism here as a tool, to avoid tackling actual issues.
Alright, well lets assume what you're saying is even fair or reasonable...what about the black posters here who may not see it as you do?
I don't think personal disparagement has any place on these shows, honestly, but I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't acknowledge how I mindlessly laugh when it's launched at a politician I don't agree with. Now that it's a Black democrat being attacked I'm suddenly going to get all sanctimonious and claim it's racist?
Y'all could be 100% right about his comments and likely are considering the racially-charged shit he's spewed before. I guess I just didn't see her hairstyle as an exclusIisvey black one though. White women rock that, too. Now if she had been working with something natural I'd be more inclined to agree.
I was curious because I had never heard that term and it has nothing to do with hair. Did he link the wrong article?
Alright, well lets assume what you're saying is even fair or reasonable...what about the black posters here who may not see it as you do?
I don't think personal disparagement has any place on these shows, honestly, but I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't acknowledge how I mindlessly laugh when it's launched at a politician I don't agree with. Now that it's a Black democrat being attacked I'm suddenly going to get all sanctimonious and claim it's racist?
Y'all could be 100% right about his comments and likely are considering the racially-charged shit he's spewed before. I guess I just didn't see her hairstyle as an exclusIisvey black one though. White women rock that, too. Now if she had been working with something natural I'd be more inclined to agree.
Yea, that sums it up. Nice of you to go into detail for him.I think there's an important key to understanding why this is viewed as racist. Hopefully this will help:
Bill O'Reilly has repeatedly used the appearance of individual black people as an excuse to ignore or invalidate their opinions, just as he has here. This is a common racist tactic and it uses outward signifiers of blackness to justify shaming, silencing, or marginalizing black individuals or black communities at large. Bill O'Reily has made the case repeatedly that blacks are unemployable because of face tattoos or common modes of dress. You will often see this attitude arise when people refuse to take a black person seriously because of their name, or seemingly well-meaning people say things like, "why would you name your child that? It's just going to make things harder..." It feeds into the myth that black fashion, black hair-styles, and black cultural signifiers make a person less worthy of respect or even attention.
So in this situation you have Bill O'Reilly dismissing a US Congressperson, claiming that he could not even be bothered to listen to what she was saying, because she has hair that reminds him of a black R&B singer. It's a common line of racist attack and it puts forth the argument that she is unworthy of attention or respect because of something about her appearance that is coded to her blackness. This is textbook dog-whistle racism and you can see plenty of people in this thread bending over backwards to take him at face-value when this being a racist attack falls well within his own patterns of behavior and larger tactics used to silence and ignore blacks. Dog-whistle racism is all about deniability and taking advantage of the fact that white moderates want to give people the benefit of the doubt. Don't fall for it.
That shit was vile.His most racist incident to me was when he said it surprised him that Sylvias in Harlem was a normal diner with polite customers.
So it's just straight up racism now at Fox News? Cool.
What UCBooties said is a great response to those missing the background...but does it really matter if his inappropriate comment to attempt to silence a black congresswoman solely because of her appearance was motivated more by racism or sexism?
Wrong is wrong, the point was to dismiss her as not worthy of his response and it worked since none of his co-hosts called him on it.
I completely dislike Bill O' Reilly, and he's undoubtedly said or implied racist things in the past, and I don't agree with pretty much anything he says...
But how is this racist? How is making fun of someone's hair racist?
Honestly, her hair DOES kind of look like James Brown's:
I'm not saying Bill O' Reilly isn't a racist. He probably is. What I'm saying is I don't see how what he said today was racist. It's mean spirited, childish, and dickish in nature, but not racist in my eyes.
I was curious because I had never heard that term and it has nothing to do with hair. Did he link the wrong article?
I think there's an important key to understanding why this is viewed as racist. Hopefully this will help:
Bill O'Reilly has repeatedly used the appearance of individual black people as an excuse to ignore or invalidate their opinions, just as he has here. This is a common racist tactic and it uses outward signifiers of blackness to justify shaming, silencing, or marginalizing black individuals or black communities at large. Bill O'Reily has made the case repeatedly that blacks are unemployable because of face tattoos or common modes of dress. You will often see this attitude arise when people refuse to take a black person seriously because of their name, or seemingly well-meaning people say things like, "why would you name your child that? It's just going to make things harder..." It feeds into the myth that black fashion, black hair-styles, and black cultural signifiers make a person less worthy of respect or even attention.
So in this situation you have Bill O'Reilly dismissing a US Congressperson, claiming that he could not even be bothered to listen to what she was saying, because she has hair that reminds him of a black R&B singer. It's a common line of racist attack and it puts forth the argument that she is unworthy of attention or respect because of something about her appearance that is coded to her blackness. This is textbook dog-whistle racism and you can see plenty of people in this thread bending over backwards to take him at face-value when this being a racist attack falls well within his own patterns of behavior and larger tactics used to silence and ignore blacks. Dog-whistle racism is all about deniability and taking advantage of the fact that white moderates want to give people the benefit of the doubt. Don't fall for it.
Even here you got fools with the "He's lower than scum, BUT" bullshit..😃🔫
Sounds familiar
I think he's awful and didn't even vote for him, but
Sounds familiar
I think he's awful and didn't even vote for him, but
racism or sexism will never go away if we reduce all acts of such to "it's just wrong"
His most racist incident to me was when he said it surprised him that Sylvias in Harlem was a normal diner with polite customers.
I agree but I just wanna point out that black hair, particularly black women's hair, is policed to this day. The military just made it possible for black women to wear braids as opposed to getting a fucking relaxer. In fact, there was a study done that shows that most people regardless of race and gender hold an implicit bias towards women of color based on their hair.An excellent summation.
It's important to remember that racism manifests itself in ways other than white people calling black people the n-word. It can be just as nuanced and subtle as anything else. While this isn't the most subtle example in the world, it's obvious that some people are confused as to why specifically this incident is racist.
I see the question "now making fun of someone's hair is racist?"
Those asking that need to realize that Bill is saying these things about a Congresswoman who is black and also more qualified, intelligent, and successful than he will ever be. And yet he is attempting to invalidate her speech by laughing at her hair (black hair has historically been a target of racists). He's not cracking a joke at a fellow anchor or even just commenting on her hair in passing, he's trying to invalidate everything she had said because she has "James Brown hair".
"now making fun of someone's hair is racist" isn't actually what anyone is claiming and, intentional or not, is a strawman argument.
He's dehumanizing another person and minimizing her important message. Shitty person.
Black guy here. O'Reilly's a piece of shit but I think there's an infinite list of other things he's said that are actually worth being upset about.
Besides, I actually chuckled. Waters is a little batshit crazy and has overstayed her welcome too.
She's got the swoop down though.
Man, if making a joke about a James Brown haircut is "dehumanizing," we've got a low bar for dehumanizing.
And as a African-American, I think saying Maxine Waters's message is important is disingenuous. Just as this joke can be perceived as racist considering the source (from O'Reilly's mouth), I think the words coming from Waters's mouth are hypocritical. She's railing against Trump putting millionaires and billionaires in his cabinet that don't understand the hardships of the African-American community while she and her husband made millions off of OneUnited Bank during the TARP bailouts back in 2008.
It would be funny if it was a comedy by Mel Brooks, but damn this is serious...
In a Mel Brooks comedy you would laugh at the stupidity of the pundit, that said this African American Man probably knows how tides work and can explain it, where as Bill O'Reilly is stiff baffled by it. .
There's a difference between clowning on someone and clowning on someone on national TV as your only reaction to their speech.Black guy here. O'Reilly's a piece of shit but I think there's an infinite list of other things he's said that are actually worth being upset about.
Besides, I actually chuckled. Waters is a little batshit crazy and has overstayed her welcome too.
She's got the swoop down though.
Man, if making a joke about a James Brown haircut is "dehumanizing," we've got a low bar for dehumanizing.
And as a African-American, I think saying Maxine Waters's message is important is disingenuous. Just as this joke can be perceived as racist considering the source (from O'Reilly's mouth), I think the words coming from Waters's mouth are hypocritical. She's railing against Trump putting millionaires and billionaires in his cabinet that don't understand the hardships of the African-American community while she and her husband made millions off of OneUnited Bank during the TARP bailouts back in 2008.