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[alr1ght]

I wonder how much the first one cost to make/market. I'm guessing it's not even comparable.

 

[kurahador]

Five years in development will do that to any triple-A game.

How many years is Versus now?

Btw...bought the season pass as well.
I'm gladly support single player player DLC.

 

[Corto]

Pornographic.

 

[Animator]

Around $100M was spent on Infinite's production and as much as another $100 will be spent on marketing.

What are you guys complaining about, the article says the marketing cost is just a hundred bucks. Thats pretty conservative.

 

[ASIS]

Oh come on. He totally made up that number. They need to sell MUCH more than that to turn a profit. Basic math show that number doesn't make any sense.

I'll be honest, I didn't do any basic calculation to validate the 1.6 mil claim, not even in my head. For some reason I just thought it was an educated guess.

Yes, I do realize how dumb this sounds now.

4 million

So that budget would be really dumb and hopefully this projection is pretty far off.

Maybe they will port it to next gen consoles as well. That's the only way to make sense of this movement.

 

[Ein Bear]

I think it was pretty obvious. Shit's just too expensive now and it's accelerating the inevitable crash. I've never seen an industry that was so suicidal before.

This. It's like publishers want another industry crash. The way costs have ballooned over these past few years are absolutely mind boggling.

 

[Dictator93]

Remember when people gave crysis 3 so much shit for $66 Million?

Yeah... this makes that look like fucking pennies.

 

[Hindle]

The game should do 6m total sales. I still don't think that will be enough for them to break even. You'd think they would learn after MP 3.

 

[Messofanego]

Cor blimey!

 

[Sn4ke_911]

I wonder how much the first one cost to make/market. I'm guessing it's not even comparable.

Ken Levine: Next project will cost 'a fair amount of money

"Freedom Force was $2 million; System Shock 2 was $600K, it was nothing. BioShock, I think it's been published, was $15 million," Levine said. When we asked how much, on that scale, his new project would cost, Levine teased, "It's more than System Shock 2."

 

[Skyzard]

Maybe they will port it to next gen consoles as well. That's the only way to make sense of this movement.

It's going to look bad enough for this gen...maybe though, hopefully they can work some magic but I doubt it going on previous Bioshocks.

 

[frankie_baby]

5 or 6 million sales just to break even? this industry is fucked

 

[diamount]

And developers like CD Prokekt can develop high quality games with a quarter of that budget.

Things are different in Eastern Europe development houses. Not to mention they have less people, don't have to pay them as much, use their own engine ect ect.

 

[Lovely Salsa]

Bioshock isn't that big of a name

They should be happy if they break even. I just can't see this selling 5 million+ copies at full price

 

[jett]

1.6Mil+

This is wrong. Publishers get around $36 per each game(at full value). So they need to ship over 5 million units of this thing to break even, if the $200 million number is accurate.

 

[Busty]

Yikes. That ludicrous. I never would have thought that the Bioshock was big enough to justify this kind of money being spent on development.

I have a feeling that history will not be kind to this game.

At all.

 

[RoboPlato]

The game should do 6m total sales. I still don't think that will be enough for them to break even. You'd think they would learn after MP 3.

It's a shame that I have to worry about the future of the Max Payne franchise after 3 sold decently, just not traditional Rockstar numbers.

 

[LiK]

well, that explains why they're pushing it so hard.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

Bioshock isn't that big of a name

They should be happy if they break even. I just can't see this selling 5 million+ copies at full price

Bioshock sold 2.2 million, Over 1 million were on PC

 

[Lovely Salsa]

This. It's like publishers want another industry crash. The way costs have ballooned over these past few years are absolutely mind boggling.

How come Gears 1 just cost 10 million to make?

 

[Poimandres]

This game will easily do a few million. I really hope it's enough, because I want to see more ambitious games like this.

 

[FACE]

"System Shock 2 was $600K"

And I bet it Infinite won't touch it quality wise.

 

[DieH@rd]

5 or 6 million sales just to break even? this industry is fucked

Install base of PS3+X360 is above 150 million. Publishers always aim high at the end of the console cycle.

 

[Angelus Errare]

And developers like CD Prokekt can develop high quality games with a quarter of that budget.

People tend to forget that CD Projekt aren't based in the US and as such their costs are going to be lower because salaries are lower.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

I think it was pretty obvious. Shit's just too expensive now and it's accelerating the inevitable crash. I've never seen an industry that was so suicidal before.

Saying CD Projekt make games cheaper don't really matter since they are in another country .
I sure this game would be cheaper if it was made in Poland still $100 million on marketing seem like to much.
Not that i trust this source since it some unnamed analysts .

 

[Lovely Salsa]

Bioshock sold 2.2 million, Over 1 million were on PC

What are you trying to say?

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

I think it was pretty obvious. Shit's just too expensive now and it's accelerating the inevitable crash. I've never seen an industry that was so suicidal before.

You're wrong unless 5 year development becomes a norm, and that means that Irrational inefficiency spreads like a virus.

 

[-tetsuo-]

3.3 million to break even at $60. No DLC included, of course.

I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make here.

That this was poorly managed?

 

[theangrypirate]

I think it was pretty obvious. Shit's just too expensive now and it's accelerating the inevitable crash. I've never seen an industry that was so suicidal before.

I think everyone needs to just calm down about the games industry crashing and becoming too expensive to produce games. You don't have to spend $100M on marketing. Like frontovik said, Witcher 2 is graphically speaking one of the best looking games to date and it was made for a fraction of the budget. Things like xbla and psn are great for developers on a tighter budget. There are plenty of ways to release a game without a $10M budget much lessa $200M budget.

 

[Avinexus]

Bioshock sold 2.2 million, Over 1 million were on PC

Bioshock had sold 4 million as of two years ago.

 

[frankie_baby]

How come Gears 1 just cost 10 million to make?

the 10mil didnt include engine dev costs, even then though it wasnt ridiculous money

 

[ASIS]

Install base of PS3+X360 is above 150 million. Publishers always aim high at the end of the console cycle.

This kind of thinking is exactly what made Mcdonald's go in to the hotel business and fail miserably.
In other words, pushing higher numbers because the install base is larger can be absolutely fatal at times. There has to be different factors than just that.

 

[Ithil]

The New York Times cites unnamed sources. Good stuff.

 

[Guess Who]

Bioshock sold 2.2 million, Over 1 million were on PC

By 2010, Bioshock 1 had sold four million. Wouldn't be surprised if it had long enough legs to hit 5 by now.

EDIT: Beaten.

 

[diamount]

"System Shock 2 was $600K"

And I bet it Infinite won't touch it quality wise.

Of course it won't.. but they could target a certain niche of people and still make their money back. They are unable to do that this time around, hence the box. AAA development is an inefficient mess a lot of the time.

 

[SneakyStephan]

as much as another $100 will be spent on marketing

This and season passes

Fuck them, no sale. Glad I didn't make an impulse buy when that gmg deal was posted earlier with the 3 games.

I'm not helping pay for 100 million dollar in ads and viral marketing, bought reviews and shilling.

 

[FullMetalx117]

Not a very sound business decision. No doubt bioshock will be good but it will definitely not sell more than 10 million units across 3 platforms. May not sell past 6 million since its single player only that people can just rent. There is a reason why many studios are dying. Boneheaded budgets like this.

 

[Muffdraul]

Well I'm doing my part to help them recoup.

 

[Guess Who]

Fuck them, no sale. Glad I didn't make an impulse buy when that gmg deal was posted earlier with the 3 games.

Yeah, who the fuck do they think they are, spending money to market their game?

 

[frankie_baby]

3.3 million to break even at $60. No DLC included, of course.

that would make them little over half what they've spent, the publisher gets nowhere near the full 60

 

[Shard]

This completely explains that goofy boxart nonsense from a few months ago.

 

[Risette]

The New York Times cites unnamed sources. Good stuff.

Uh, is this your first time stepping outside of a game news site?

 

[bistromathics]

they will easily sell around 3 million so its not a bad situation at all

Easily? You think?

 

[dark10x]

And developers like CD Prokekt can develop high quality games with a quarter of that budget.

With shit animation. ;-)

There are reasons why their games have a smaller budget.

 

[AB12]

$100 million only for a single player, probably an inflated number, hope the game is as good as the first one, at least.

 

[Alchemy]

Well I did my part, prepurchased the Song Bird edition. Can't wait.

 

[frankie_baby]

$100 million only for a single player, probably an inflated number, hope the game is as good as the first one, at least.

yeah the number is probably inflated, its not like take 2 have ever blown that much on a game before and it was a fairly quickly made game right?

 

[antitrop]

1.6Mil+

That's week 1 easy.

 

[-tetsuo-]

that would make them little over half what they've spent, the publisher gets nowhere near the full 60

6.6 million

 

[Heart of Black]

Unnamed ANALYSTS?

Who cares what any analyst has to say?