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Black Friday Week: 900k DS, 600k Wii
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BishopLamont
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You guys are forgetting Wii2 just might not be ready yet, Nintendo is very reactionary, so I'm not sure they foresaw the decline, even if they did, then what? It's hard to find a new gimmick and I'm sure Nintendo is gunning for it, but realistically I think they're just not ready yet, especially with the 3DS round the corner. Its hard to come up with new hardware and software for both consoles, I'm sure they don't wanna stretch out the support with the possibility of compromising both consoles.
JoshuaJSlone
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Yes. Sales are still Good, but not Wii Shortage Good.Yes Boss! said:
Joe Shlabotnik
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BishopLamont said:
Guh? While I think I know what you mean, it's the opposite of "reactionary". If Wii2 isn't ready yet (and I doubt it is), it's because they have no intention of releasing it before they intend to, current console sales be damned.
BishopLamont
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They are reactionary, like I said, their reasons for not releasing Wii2 could just be that they're not ready yet, I don't see the point of delaying the console for as long as they can, at this point, no one gives a shit if they do release now or never, its all on them. 3DS can release when DS sales are high but Wii2 can't come when Wii sales are relatively low? I don't buy that shit.Joe Shlabotnik said:
jcm said:
Well, it sort of does. It keeps them in healthy first party software sales for as long as they want before they introduce their next home system.
I don't think there would be any of the negativity floating around Nintendo if the Yen/Dollar was still at the same ratio as in 2007. Putting out an expensive new console doesn't really change the exchange rates.
BishopLamont said:
Care to expand on that, because I disagree completely. If your trying to say you think they will be reactionary with the Wii2 then say so, calling them reactionary as a whole though is crazy. Crazy enough for you to need to qualify that with a little history.
Sony is reactionary. But that is NOT something I would label Nintendo as.
BishopLamont
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That's a fair call, but I still think they're reactionary, for example the 3rd party situation, its clear Nintendo thought the support was going to come automatically, it wasn't until things got dire that they started to court a few big Japan IP's. Still I guess you could say Nintendo saw it coming but didn't think it was such a big deal, but the 3DS says otherwise, its clearly a machine made with third parties in mind.Puncture said:
I guess I did jump the gun a bit, so we'll just leave it to Nintendo being reactionary with the Wii2. Nintendo dragging the generation along with the other boys is clear, whether its on purpose or not, is not.
Getting your charts ready for 3DS?JoshuaJSlone said:
GrotesqueBeauty
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How is Nintendo "very reactionary"? If anything competitors react to them. Nintendo has always been content to march to the beat of a different drummer. I think there's a better argument to be made that they don't react fast enough to certain industry changes (storage medium, online, HD, etc.). Also, while Wii 2 may not be ready for the market just yet, I have little doubt Nintendo has been working on it since before the Wii was released, and their planning for next gen is already in the advanced stages. I also think it's erroneous to assume that Nintendo's approach to a single generation is always a strong indicator of how they'll approach the next. They've spoken before about a revolutionary approach vs. evolutionary, and although I'm sure there will be some defining feature to the Wii successor to help differentiate it from the competition they could just as easily focus on refining and building upon what they've already innovated this generation. I wouldn't be surprised if they were first out of the gate with a mainstream approach to haptics, for example. I think their trump card in this situation is that even if they play it conservative on the hardware front again they're still in the best position to wow fans by sheer virtue of contrast between the visual fidelity of their titles from this gen to the next.BishopLamont said:
BishopLamont
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Yeah this is more accurate, it always feels like Nintendo are behind in something. 3DS is trying to find that sweet spot. Of course Nintendo would have begun work on the Wii2 immediately after, but you have to read the market well, and plan far ahead, sometimes it does take time, but at the same time, time is limited. I don't doubt for one sec they are in the advance stages, but we can't be sure they are "ready".GrotesqueBeauty said:
I'm not sure third party support is "just" a learning lesson, and yes the 3DS will be the result of what they have learnt this generation, which makes Wii2 an even bigger mystery.swerve said:
BishopLamont
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So you fight decline with more decline? How's that going to help.farnham said:
They are in the milking phase. And likely not ready given how big 3DS launch is going to be in terms of software resources to launch it.
It is fair to say they did not forsee how steeply sales would fall off in 2010. But calling them reactionary is giving their competitors too much credit.
We're just getting motion controllers 4 years later.
It is fair to say they did not forsee how steeply sales would fall off in 2010. But calling them reactionary is giving their competitors too much credit.
We're just getting motion controllers 4 years later.
Deku said:
Sixaxis was without a doubt Sony being reactionary and saying Oh shit. The others then bought into the Wii is a fad thing and when the Wii didnt slow down they realized they had to make a move.
Nintendo turned down the Kinect System first so Microsoft swept in to take the rejected carcass and Sony played it safe by using existing tech and tossing in their own wiimote
BishopLamont
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Nintendo still doesn't have decent online.Deku said:
MidnightRider
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I still need to pick up a DS.
I've got all these games unopened to play on one.
I've got all these games unopened to play on one.
timetokill
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farnham said:
Anecdotal Evidence threads have been about as accurate as the party-dude chart from the beginning of the generation.
BishopLamont
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It was accurate at the start. DS sells out! Wii sells out! :loltimetokill said:
Version 3.0
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I wouldn't call Nintendo "reactionary". I'd call them Donkey (Kong) stubborn. They didn't really "react" to poor 3rd-party support. Their plan all along was to mostly ignore the 3rd party market, and still is.
Same with their online model (or lack thereof) and (lack of) HD support. They don't do it because they don't want to, and they'll get around to it when they damn well feel like it.
Same with their online model (or lack thereof) and (lack of) HD support. They don't do it because they don't want to, and they'll get around to it when they damn well feel like it.
MidnightRider
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seady said:
You should totally sell me one of them on the cheap.
I have a few games i bought because i had the money and they were for sale..... I don't even have a system. haha
Leondexter said:
For the most part they were right about HD adoption. What ended up getting them was things like the Mandatory Digital Transition in the US. That really kicked HD adoption rates into high gear. Most TV buyers buy one and expect at least a decade out of their TVs.
Thats part of why the TV market itself has tanked quite a bit in North America. Millions of people were forced to buy new TVs just 2 years ago so they wont be doing it again anytime soon even with 3DTVs etc hitting the market.
If the overall sales pace keeps up Nintendo is going to have another record setting holiday or near record selling holiday season. That pretty much means in the end they still won the arguement on HD.
KamenSenshi
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Wow they could probably go another year without launching 3DS at this rate.:lol I like seeing the sales but its amazing that it still sells like water would in the desert.
KamenSenshi said:
Wii and DS sell for the very same reasons. Gamers have aged and got a family and they want to entertain it ans share their video game passion within the home. The difference is that you can sell 4 DS for a Wii in every home, so the ceiling is much higher for the DS. Add the fact that tech do not matter and the DS library is awesome and cheap and for everyone. They could sell it for years. just drop the price and it will be black friday all year long.
SlipperySlope
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Sometimes I feel like the only owner in the world who doesn't own a DS.
KamenSenshi
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Would be awesome if this is the response when the PSP2 is about to be released.:lol It's just amazing the amount of good-great games on the DS. I'm hoping for some good software numbers to go along with all this hardware.wazoo said:
charlequin
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reactionary
Pronunciation
Adjective
Pronunciation
IPA: /ɹɪˈækʃənəɹi/, SAMPA: /rI"{kS@n@ri/
Hyphenation: re‧ac‧tion‧ary
Hyphenation: re‧ac‧tion‧ary
Adjective
reactionary (comparative more reactionary, superlative most reactionary)
1. Opposed to change; urging a return to a previous state.
2. Very conservative.
2. Very conservative.
Gram Negative Cocci
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SlipperySlope said:
I don't anymore, but I bought 3 of them before I washed my hands of handheld gaming.
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I don't want any shit for that last bit.
Thunder Monkey
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It never made sense.defferoo said:
Gram Negative Cocci
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charlequin said:
All of these years I have had the wrong definition for that word. Mind blown.
jamesinclair
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The wii fad is over, just like pokemon
NeonZ
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jman2050 said:
Well, people here were somehow saying that the Wii would buck all previous trends for Nintendo systems, even the GC's, and wouldn't get a significant boost in the holiday.
I still think they should release their new system in 2012 though. 2011 is too soon due to the 3DS launch, but waiting for 2013 would be very bad for the Wii's market (and any titles they might secretly have to strengthen the Wii's would be better used to boost their next system).
The amount of people saying the Wii would finish 3rd this holiday in the last NPD thread was pretty staggering.
Nintendo always has, and probably always will, perform better in the holidays relative to the rest of the year compared to their competitors. Nintendo obviously skews younger and more family oriented than their competitors. Those people come out in droves and buy presents at Christmas.
Nintendo always has, and probably always will, perform better in the holidays relative to the rest of the year compared to their competitors. Nintendo obviously skews younger and more family oriented than their competitors. Those people come out in droves and buy presents at Christmas.
CreatureX3
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Wow insane numbers for Nintendo.
onipex said:
If Nintendo does manage to go up YOY for December it will be pretty much an unheard of level of success and I have maintained from the beginning Nintendo would dominate the holidays again.
Nintendo going up YOY for Holiday 2010 would mean breaking all new records set last year.
Duckhuntdog
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Nintendo: Kicking ass, taking names, printing money.Cosmonaut X said:
BowieZ said:
Depends on your level of "hurrah." I was thinking ~4m for Wii in Nov/Dec 2010 and maybe 3m in Dec alone. And then next Dec having that drop to 1.5m as the public catches up with the "Wii ain't got no games" reality. 1.5m is still higher than any home console not named Wii or PS2 has gotten since 2000, but it's "low" compared to historical Wii levels (of which we really only have one December not severely affected by shortages). Therefore, I was thinking that this holiday would be its last "hurrah" for the Wii we've come to know (from a sales perspective). I don't think $150 next year would change that much, but $99 could buck things quite a bit. :lol
Fantastical
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This holiday season is very interesting. Want to hear 360 numbers.