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BLM Activists Interrupt Hillary at Private Event in South Carolina
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Man... what?
Do you have any idea how condescending this sounds?
Not just you, anyone who would use this kind of argument.
If the canvas is ripe, then paint should be applied.
Coffee Dog
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This kind of talk is only acceptable when discussing poor people.
wow just wow
EdibleKnife
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I'm interested to know who you think does know what's best for minorities
Correct, and in such case it's spoken as an unassailable fact that the poor don't know better, but should and even can know better, and need educating to achieve enlightenment.
Am I missing something? The girl was clearly in the wrong here. Why did she take Hillary's speech from back then about gang members out of context? I don't recall Hillary ever saying anything about race in that speech. A gang member is a gang member.
I also appreciate that Hillary is not going to be a push over to disruptions and twisted accusations.
I also appreciate that Hillary is not going to be a push over to disruptions and twisted accusations.
i'm getting "mad black woman" vibes from you
Gordon Shumway
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Tedious. It's obviously also wrong and stupid in that situation as well.
SolidSnakex
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Again, super predator was very specific code language for minorities. You still see that code language thrown around now, except instead of "super predator" you hear "thug".
BreezyLimbo
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It's coded language.
When you talk about 'Urban gangs', or Urban at all, you're talking about poor people. Urban implying that it's either brown or black people. That isn't to say there isn't white people that live in Urban areas, but the first thing that comes to mind when talking about Urban communities is that they tend to be minority communities. Superpredator serves the same purpose as it's about these urban gangs, and the 90's stereotype is that the prevalent gangs were either hispanic or black.
EdibleKnife
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You're missing the fact that the "this WAR" must be "FOUGHT" with the "SUPER PREDATORS" type, Last stand, go get 'em boys rhetoric is part of the reason we have this failing war on drugs and gangs where police only see enemies in their vision when it comes to minorities, rather than citizens. No consideration of where they came from, why they might turn to gangs, why they live in such conditions, but find them and "bring them to heel".
theignoramus
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So the point of distinction between a "wonderful woman" and a "stupid girl" is whether or not you, SlimySnake, approve of the way they conduct themselves around Hillary Clinton. Sounds pretty paternalistic to me.
Tesseract
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i do, this has been a good week. i'm not about to drop huey p. newton quotes, m8.
I'm calling BS.
I just found a New York Times article,referring to the term and how 20 years ago it would have referred to "feral youths devoid of impulse control or remorse."
It's either a jab at poor urban minorities or just calling certain people subhuman. I mean pick your poison I guess.
Take a look at the incidents mentioned in that article and the race and/or ethnicity of the teenagers in question.
The implication is clear: young black and Hispanic males.
BreezyLimbo
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So you ask a question of how it's coded language, and then respond with 'Nah your explanation is bullshit' despite more than one person telling you it's coded language?
Yes, 20 years ago it would have referred to "feral youths devoid of impulse control or remorse.", which again is heavily slanted towards minorities.
Trojita
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Do you not know what code words or Dog Whistling means?
DontBeThatGuy
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Man, I didn't even know about this Superpredator nonsense. So stupid.
theignoramus
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It reads to me like a label for a certain type of behavior, regardless of the color of skin of the person carrying out the act. The context is crystal clear that it was about fighting the growing gang problem.
I feel like the accusation is taking it out of context and making it only about the color of one's skin. Again, I admit I may be missing something (apparently I am).
Sorry, I don't.
User 73706
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'twas beauty that killed the beast
Nope they are doing well and this is no OWS.
'Centralizing' themselves means leadership and that means that specific people can be targeted and taken down or co opted by politicians for their own ends.
I don't think I need to tell you some of the previous civil right leaders and their fates. Their effectiveness were their deaths by assassination, some would say by very powerful interests. For all the carting out of MLK and Malcom X do you think certain people would be so happy to bring them up as a bulwark against blacks protesting in the 'wrong way', if they were still alive and still firebrands raging against the system and people like Hilary? Or would they be painted as old bitter 'race baiters'?
In this modern age any BLM leader or set of leadership would be on Fox news and their ilk constantly having their past combed over and undermined, this shit isn't new here. The tactics used to dismiss and undermine these kind of messages are in the establishment playbook. And I'm happy to see modern black activists aren't that stupid to fall for it.
Is it good that they interrupt these sort of events? debatable. But it forces people like Hilary to have to answer for past comments and positions at some point or another.
EdibleKnife
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A dog whistle is political language that appears to the mainstream to mean one thing but has a more specific resonance for a target group of people. "Thugs, welfare queens, etc" The idea is addressed in this quote from Lee Atwater:
King Tubby
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What makes the bold part more disgusting than the entire sentence?
TheOohChild
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It is good that she tried to hold Hillary accountable and shine a light on her past, but I don't think this changes anything. Hillary's primary supporters are already comfortable with her inconsistencies, and she didn't really do anyone a disservice in the way she handled the disruption.
Trojita
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Code Words and Dog Whistling are used to say something publicly about someone or a group of people negatively without using the real word they want to say which they know will get them in trouble, because usually it's racist. It's called Dog Whistling in the same way a dog whistle can only be heard by dogs, dog whistling is said by the person saying a hateful thing which other hateful people "hear" what they are really talking about.
Thanks for the info.
I still don't agree that the term "superpredator" was targeted at all black people. The context in which it was communicated is unmistakably about confronting gangs and gang violence.
In the context it was given, doesn't that apply to a person engaged in gangs and gang violence?
EDIT: I am often accused of being too literal, so this conversation may be lost on me.
BreezyLimbo
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And what kind of people had a tendency to be in gangs? It was usually poor urban people who were minorities..
King Tubby
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It's not about targeting every single black person, it's about creating this dehumanized, monstrous image that in the mind of mainstream America is invariably black/brown/anything other than white. It's the exact kind of stereotype that makes mainstream America tacitly approve when a black man is unjustly killed by the police.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uWu0nSsg7w
This is probably the absolute best video i've come across on just a few of Hillary and the Clinton family's racial transgressions, many of which they continue.
If people want to dismiss her neoliberal corporatist class warfare attitude that she continues till this day, that's fine, but there's tons of skeletons in her closet, including direct black and racial consequences for everything she and her husband were wrong on and had to 'apologize' for later.
This is not about attacking Hillary Clinton or supporting Bernie Sanders, but correcting the record on what she has not done for us lately and why she should definitely not be enjoying a blind ride from low info voters and the black establishment who have jumped on her bandwagon.
Seeing my people get locked up by the democratic establishment like cattle is just horrible to witness.
"Super predator wasn't JUST black people!"
And "welfare queens" was not targeted at black people! Just poor people in general! Please...i'm glad you guys are correcting the record.
Hillary supporters should just take the L here and move on. It's unseemly, the amount of spin.
Dog-whistle "super predator" BS is talking bad about black people, man. We're not stupid, we knew that was directed at us. The "tough on crime" policies of the 80's and 90's were meant in large part to destabilize the black community. Yes, crack and violence were a real problem, but instead of going at the root causes, they just decided to revive chain gangs. I'm old enough to remember and it was absolute garbage, in which the Clintons were entirely complicit.
As for the rest, you're just saying "protest, but do it in a way that's acceptable to me". Nah, no thanks.
Dog-whistle "super predator" BS is talking bad about black people, man. We're not stupid, we knew that was directed at us. The "tough on crime" policies of the 80's and 90's were meant in large part to destabilize the black community. Yes, crack and violence were a real problem, but instead of going at the root causes, they just decided to revive chain gangs. I'm old enough to remember and it was absolute garbage, in which the Clintons were entirely complicit.
As for the rest, you're just saying "protest, but do it in a way that's acceptable to me". Nah, no thanks.
Trojita
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A fantastical example.
Mutants are persecuted in the Marvel universe. If an anti-mutant politician went on air they would say something like :
"We are combatting crime. We are going to stop these street walking freaks that are trying to undermine America! We are going to stop these misfits that are trying to harm real American families!"
Freaks and Misfits are the dog whistle.
shadowsdarknes
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Yeah it's hard to dismiss that as not being racially charged.
But I do think it's worth noting the context in which she used it.
It seems that she was trying to make a compelling case about using public resources in order to stop pervasive gang violence.
She wasn't looking to make the human connection here and talk about how to dissipate gang violence through community outreach and anti-poverty programs. In this particular instance, she seemed interested in addressing the violence specifically. With so much violence happening, a strong police presence was still necessary to protect the citizenry.
She says, "We can talk about why they ended up that way" meaning that we do need to have a discussion about reducing gang violence through forward thinking means. But that was not simply the place.
That being said, I'm not exactly sure what adjectives she could have used to describe specifically the individuals who have past the point where they no longer express empathy. In this context, painting them as victims of the system isn't exactly appropriate when looking to appropriate resources to stop gang violence.
But I do think it's worth noting the context in which she used it.
It seems that she was trying to make a compelling case about using public resources in order to stop pervasive gang violence.
She wasn't looking to make the human connection here and talk about how to dissipate gang violence through community outreach and anti-poverty programs. In this particular instance, she seemed interested in addressing the violence specifically. With so much violence happening, a strong police presence was still necessary to protect the citizenry.
She says, "We can talk about why they ended up that way" meaning that we do need to have a discussion about reducing gang violence through forward thinking means. But that was not simply the place.
That being said, I'm not exactly sure what adjectives she could have used to describe specifically the individuals who have past the point where they no longer express empathy. In this context, painting them as victims of the system isn't exactly appropriate when looking to appropriate resources to stop gang violence.
Splash Wave
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Holy shit. Thank you for posting what is, in my opinion, a thread-worthy video.
Your example is of a politician who believed that everyone of a certain genetic disposition was dangerous.
I don't think there was even a subtext to the term superpredator that meant all non-whites were dangerous. It was explicitly used to target a certain type of behavior.
Your anti-mutant politician wanted all mutants incarcerated. A politician against gang violence wants people who engage in gang violence incarcerated.
Shit like this is why I strongly dislike Bernie Sanders.
I don't see how what I said is so terrible. People vote for politicians that don't represent their interest all the time (most of the time), whether it's minorities or poor people or union members or whoever.
I'm not black but I'm not poor either, does that mean I can't speak for the poor republican voters?
I'm not black but I'm not poor either, does that mean I can't speak for the poor republican voters?
I mean, no they don't? As a general rule, people vote for politicians they think will advance their interests. You might disagree with them on what their interests are or which of their interests are more important than others, but, you know, that doesn't mean you're right!
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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You imply that you know what's better for people than they do for themselves.
It's one thing to say people are kept purposely uninformed by their political leaders looking to take advantage of them. It's another to suggest that you or someone else knows what's better for them than they do.
Trojita
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Is KingKong even a Bernie Sanders supporter? Just sounds like he likes to make inflammatory comments.
http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=176721007&postcount=201
It's not the first time a Bernie supporter claims minorities don't know what's good for them and I'm sure it won't be the last.
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