Trojita
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Is he actually a supporter though or is he trying to troll people here? Only time I've seen him mentioned Bernie was in a Kanye thread saying they should run together.
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BLM Activists Interrupt Hillary at Private Event in South Carolina
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Is he actually a supporter though or is he trying to troll people here? Only time I've seen him mentioned Bernie was in a Kanye thread saying they should run together.
Something people have to understand is that when we talk about the Clinton administration and Hillary Clinton...it was never the case that Hillary was just some first lady who didn't sign off on anything her husband did.
She was COMPLICIT in almost all of the major bills and controversies of that administration and personally pushed and advocated full throatily using horrible logic and Reaganite language and viewpoints against almost everything progressive against blacks, against minorities, against the working poor and the entire concept of a sufficient role to play of government in ensuring the welfare of those folks.
She was basically the anti white liberal on poverty and racial justice. And while her rhetoric may have changed, a lot of her viewpoints and her backers mirror everything we know to be true about her and the Clinton dynasty, to the detriment of the lower classes and certain racial groups.
Its called a joke. Fwiw I voted for Jill Stein in 2012 and will probably vote for her again since theres no chance my state will go republican and Bernie is clearly not going to be the nominee
Fair enough, sounds like we're talking past each other but I do think when people are being taken advantage of by the politicians then they dont know whats good for them and theres nothing wrong with pointing that out, no matter what group it is
HRC wasnt a politician when she deemed black youth "super preditors" and the mass incarceration of black youth "super preditors" have not cured gang violence and it never will.
Unfortunately now she comes off as a white politician who regressed into whitesplaining the issues surrounding the black community at her plantation style fundraising dinner filled with predominantly rich white people that felt compelled to hiss and moan because their pay to play meet and greet was tarnished with the irrelevance of minorities.
Sadly the room, judging by the response, was filed with white people who believed everyone with a certain genetic disposition are meaningless, which is even more dangerous.
So many people seem to forget that the 2008 Hillary campaign regressed into a racist dogwhistle campaign as it became clear Obama was the nominee.
Fuck Usain Bolt in Rio 2016, HRC is gonna be the fastest human in the world when she runs away from progressives after the convention in August. Hoping that appealing to centrists will get her enough votes to overcome the youth and progressives she has dismissed and betrayed so that SHE can become the first female president.
King Tubby
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Actually, KingKong is claiming that most people don't know what's good for them, not just minorities.
The one implies the other, actually. It seems you are taking issue with how it was phrased.
Shitty youtube comments as evidence, that's real strong.
Yeah no, that's a shit video. Trying to point out Hillary's politics as a 15 year old girl and splicing Goldwater's speeches as a reason to hate her, lol. And then cutting up and splicing a bunch of quotes as "aha!" moments through out the rest?
The youtube quotes alone are enough to show you the audience that video was made for:
"blacks need to wake the fuck up, shame on sc and Nevada blacks that support shillary clinton"
"What a howlin' thundercunt she is."
"I wish every black person could see this."
"I honestly can't believe this woman's the front runner I genuinely don't understand it. I meet absolutely none of her supporters. And lastly I hate this snake but young Hilary could get this dick."
Compliments the shitty video pretty well.
exmachina64
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Are you disagreeing with what I said? I think we both agree that Bernie and Hillary each need to address these issues.
Yeah, people don't like her on youtube. Yeah, they don't think she is honest.. Your going to get comments like that on the internet from any supporter of anything.
Yeah, she was a goldwater girl. Maybe you should actually look at the actual points made in the video which are all true and fact verified.
Of course you probably just watched 5 seconds and then went down to the comments section and tried to dismiss what the video is trying to tell you.
Its a shame, and i hope you go back and watch it for real.
I watched the full thing, it's disingenuous. At one point it uses a half comment and then spams her saying "bring them to heel" about 15x over images of dead black victims of police brutality. Yeah, really informative and not manipulative at all....
Oh, and then accuses her of invoking an assassination of Obama. Seriously?
King Tubby
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Assuming Trump wins the Republican nomination, it is extremely likely he is going to get the majority of the white vote in the upcoming election. I wager to say at least 90% of the posters in this thread believe this would be disastrous for the country. Is this not in essence saying that most white people don't know what's good for them?
vainglorious
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Generally protesters/activists do not wish to lend themselves as political props for campaigns.
What you're describing would never ever ever ever happen.
HawksWinStanley
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Wasn't that the whole idea behind the electoral college in the first place? Making sure we plebs don't fuck things up?
Prodigal Son
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Are people defending this? I'm losing hope honestly.
Ziltoidia 9
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Your right that there is no "best way" to react in this situation, but the way she did act was really horrible. Especially the end, saying "Now back to the issues, on the issues that I think are important."
I remember Sanders got shit just for standing in the background and letting them get their message out. It was his supporters in that situation that did wrong.
Here both her supporters and her completely botch the situation.
I remember Sanders got shit just for standing in the background and letting them get their message out. It was his supporters in that situation that did wrong.
Here both her supporters and her completely botch the situation.
Cybrwzrd
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How politically correct are we going to become? I don't think Hillary was blowing any dog whistle here other than calling criminals bad people.
Do we need to sanitize our language to the point where you can't even refer to violent sociopaths in a negative way. Should we just start calling urban gang members "troubled citizens of higher than average population density areas "?
Yes, yes they are. Many of the same ones who said that Bernie doesn't care/was tone deaf with black issues.
Im agreeing with what you said, I just am pointing out that "But Hillary" which a lot of posters have been saying Sanders supporters use, is indeed something very normal in a primary. I always found it funny when people used it to discredit any opinion that included "But Hillary" themes.
King Tubby
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Why not just say gang violence? The term superpredator is not just inflammatory, it's dehumanizing, and it's part of a long lineage of characterizing minorities, particularly black people as these brutal savages who must be "brought to heel".
defending what?
vainglorious
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Well, the issue with Bernie is that allowing protesters to storm your stage and stepping back while they take the mic from you shows a complete loss of control of the situation on the candidate's part and doesn't look Presidential.
There is no fine balance in these types of situations. Presidential candidate's have to be in control of their own message and have to take charge during their political events. Whether or not people agree with the message is another debate entirely.
Which ones?
LordOfChaos
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We win this round 'Murica
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/justin-trudeau-to-protesters-take-a-minute-to-explain-1.2830702
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/justin-trudeau-to-protesters-take-a-minute-to-explain-1.2830702
You really want me to make a list of people and call them out directly?
Prodigal Son
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Defending her very poor and telling response to the BLM protestor's presence.
This is how it's done, folks. Love this man.
BreezyLimbo
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Well shit, now that is classy.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Ziltoidia 9
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I agree, but I also think Sanders did it out of respect for their cause. he gave them the mic willingly and didn't have people come usher them out within seconds. Protesters never really want a dialogue (not that they should), its about getting the message out.
I guess there should be a good medium for the situation and maybe the party can learn from it.
Without that said, at least neither of the Dem candidates said they would punch them...
Cybrwzrd
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Do gang members who randomly shoot at a house and kill young children deserve to be humanized? Like 9-yr old Tyshawn Lee, who was gunned down by gang violence back in November in Chicago. Do the shitheads who killed him deserve to be treated like humans? Were I his parents I'd want the killers "brought to heel".
exmachina64
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Sorry, I'm getting overloaded in the political threads today.
King Tubby
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Except of course that the policies you champion in order to combat this menace affect vastly more people than the examples you name.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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This has nothing to do with calling gang violence "gang violence," which is what the poster you're responding to suggested.
Brilliant, this should be the norm.
Cybrwzrd
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What policy am I championing?
I don't even know what Hillary could have done. There was no option at all. No human being would've reacted better. Reacting more positive is just a fan fiction!
For the record: this is also better than Bernie's reaction. It was both souveran, strong and understanding and with proper sitting back and listening.
ugaboga232
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Yes? Are you arguing for more punishment based vengeance as a "justice" system?
I don't agree with the common sentiment that people vote against their interest out of ignorance, but what you said should not be considered terrible considering it's perfectly fine and dandy to say that sort of stuff here about poor people who vote republican as other people have pointed out. Also, it is downright shameful people are digging through your post history over it.
Cybrwzrd
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If someone lured my son into an alley and shot him, then I'd want that person's head on a pike on my lawn.
What is your point?
King Tubby
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I did not mean you specifically, rather, the policies one champions. But just to use your post as an example, you are using essentially these horrible anecdotes to justify treating or thinking of certain criminals (in reality, certain types of suspect) as subhuman.
The point is that the justice system does not and should not work that way. You are demonstrating exactly how this kind of rhetoric can be used to undermine civil and constitutional rights.
We've seen time and time again the failings of our justice system especially when it comes to the poor and minorities. The last thing we need to do is exacerbate those failings.
neurosyphilis
Definitely not an STD, as I'm a pure.
Oh please.
ugaboga232
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That you are only thinking on an individual, emotion minded response. Why not make that person contribute to society after rehabilitation or to a charity of your own chosing? Why does killing that person make society better? Besides, enacting vengeance doesn't even make you feel better in the long term.
BoboBrazil
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This was at a q and a session. Hillary's protestor was inside someone's home for a private fundraiser. It's not the same thing at all.
That doesn't mean society is well-served by delivering you that head.
Yes.
LordOfChaos
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He's done this a number of times at different venues (not just this Q&A) if you want to look it up. Letting protesters talk is kind of one of his things.
Cybrwzrd
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Then they can sit in prison. I don't believe in wholesale jailing of petty criminals like we have done for drugs and other stupid crap to keep minorities locked up for the past 30 years, but for murderers? There are some crimes that if you commit you lose your humanity and chance to be reformed.
RyougaSaotome
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Good on BLM.
LookAtMeGo
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Good on her. That took some courage to do in a setting like that in front of people that who she knew would look down at her and hsss at and shit like they did.
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